Speedy justice in KPK - A French TV Report

HowDoUDo

MPA (400+ posts)


It appears in french news and TV, in the report they are saying: that the bus arrives last night in Peshawar suburbs and the tribunal is dealing with the debt case of a woman.
The old woman is saying that her case is pending since 5 years in tribunals and many commissions gave their expertise but her opponents always demanded a counter-expertise.
And now she got justice in less than a day.
a man is saying that they bus tribunals have the power to apply their desicion whereas jirgas couldn't
The bus tribunals deals mostly with small cases, of fight, debt etc..; but these cases are difficult to conclude in real tribunals; bus tribunals respect the traditions of jirgas by promotions mediations, negociations and talks and made the eldest participate in debates. It's like a modern jirga.
There is only one tribunal of this type in the world and it is funded by the UN but if positive results are given the system will be wide spread.
In one day 30 cases were taken and solved by the first pakistani mobile tribunal, but the mobile tribunal must work hard because there are thoussands of cases in waiting.
 
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DaXter Di Cario

Councller (250+ posts)
Thank to ALLAH who is the most merciful upon us by bringing a party from no where and leading the most furious people of the time, MAY Allah help PTI to fulfill there promises for the rest of years as they are doing now by helping people on trusting and making a relation between people and the institutions which was vanished by previous Governments.
 

DaXter Di Cario

Councller (250+ posts)
kisi patwari ki taraf se koi comment? (bigsmile)

aoo bhai kya kartha hay patwari nay pese zaya ni karnay, aesi post pay jab coment karengain tho dono taraf say mar parhthi hay aik shareefon ki taraf say phir us k bad PTI walo ki taraf say tho wo thora easy rastha dondthay hen...
 

munno420

MPA (400+ posts)
Patwaris and promoters of pml n are all kafirs, I will quote some verses below:
" The giver and taker of bribe shall both go to hell"
" And conceal not evidence and who so ever shall conceal then his heart is surely sinful."
 

truthseeker007

MPA (400+ posts)
Very sad brother I am not PMLN supporter at all but this is really sad post and if possible delete it by ur self. regardless of who they support and how strongly they support we have no right to call any one kafir, May Allah bless us with best possible hidyat and forgive our sins, this is politics so let it be, dont bring fatwas and I really hope your doesnt belong to pTi and if your then say sorry to every so that PTI stand tall because such post bring only bad name.
 

Niazi Hawk

Minister (2k+ posts)
Patwaris and promoters of pml n are all kafirs, I will quote some verses below:
" The giver and taker of bribe shall both go to hell"
" And conceal not evidence and who so ever shall conceal then his heart is surely sinful."
sir jee.....mein sary patwarioon ko zameen ky andar bhejna chahta hn,,,,,,,,,,,,laken kafir kehna bht bari baat hai.......plz sir tauba kren
 

Zakir Javed Tanoli

MPA (400+ posts)
Patwaris and promoters of pml n are all kafirs, I will quote some verses below:
" The giver and taker of bribe shall both go to hell"
" And conceal not evidence and who so ever shall conceal then his heart is surely sinful."
Bhai main app k jazbat samajhta hon aur main bi patwaries se nafrat karta ho lakin yeh log gumrah hain kafir kisi ko nahien kahna chaye jo khud ko Muslim kehta ho.
 

long-live-pakistan

Councller (250+ posts)
Patwaris and promoters of pml n are all kafirs, I will quote some verses below:
" The giver and taker of bribe shall both go to hell"
" And conceal not evidence and who so ever shall conceal then his heart is surely sinful."

Please do not give such statements.
I myself is a PTI member but I would suggest you not to say something which is prohibited to us all Muslims.

HERE IS THE PROOF

Ibn Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (May Allah bestow peace and blessings upon him) said, “If a man addresses his brother as, ‘O’ Disbeliever,’ it returns to one of them; either it is as he said or it returns to him.” (Agreed upon – in both Bukhari 10/427 and Muslim 60)

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Please do read this article on "Calling someone a disbeliever/Kafir"
link:
http://sheikhynotes.blogspot.com.au/2010/01/calling-someone-disbelieverkafir.html

Article:
[h=3]Calling someone a disbeliever/Kafir[/h]



One of the worst things that a Muslim can do is call his fellow Muslim a disbeliever or Kafir. This issue is the topic of our following post.

This happens far too much in many communities and groups. We seem to enjoy labelling groups of people at every given opportunity. We are concerned about this as it has become a common practice and we need to move away from this mentality.

There is not one group that is free from this, just about every group is doing this. We are not talking about scholars who warn about certain issues that need to be addressed. But do they need to be spoken about every time someone makes a public speech? If it was not a fitna/tribulation then it became one by speaking about it so much.

The majority of people call each other Kafirs just because someone does not believe in what they are following or their group or there interpretation of an issue. So this is really about rejecting group mentalities not about rejecting Islam but so many of us reject what one group says and then call them Kafirs. This ignorance has to stop, it really does I am so tired of this backward mentality. The most shocking thing about this fact is that almost everyone is doing this! Irrespective of the group that they belong to, they are all doing it!

Reading the following prophetic narration should be enough to make you stop and think before you move your mouths next time:

Ibn Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (May Allah bestow peace and blessings upon him) said, “If a man addresses his brother as, ‘O’ Disbeliever,’ it returns to one of them; either it is as he said or it returns to him.” (Agreed upon – in both Bukhari 10/427 and Muslim 60)

Do you really want to take the chance of calling someone a disbeliever and this curse returning to you? Do you really want to take that chance? Are you really that sure of yourself? The curse of disbelief returns to the one who said it; if that person he labelled as a disbeliever was not worthy of that name. There are so many people who have not studied Islamic belief but find it totally acceptable to call someone a disbeliever. How can you when you have not studied Islamic belief? How can you be certain what is in people’s hearts? Don’t we remember what happened to Usama ibn Zaid (may Allah be pleased with them) when he killed a man who testified to Islam but this individual after testifing kept coming back to fight the Muslims? The Prophet (may Allah bestow peace and blessings upon him) kept asking Usama if he looked into his heart? Usama was so upset that he almost wished that he had not accepted Islam. This is how severe this problem is.

Abu Dhar (may Allah be pleased with him) said that he heard the Messenger of God (may Allah bestow peace and blessings upon him) say, “Whoever addresses a man as a disbeliever or calls him the enemy of God, and he is not, then it returns to him.” (Agreed upon Bukhari 10/377 Muslim 61)

Is this not enough for you to stop this nonsense? Are we following the Sunna of the Prophet (may Allah bestow peace and blessing upon him) or are we making up our own? As it seems that people have abandoned this Sunna a long, long time ago. I have yet to find a hadith that the Prophet (may Allah bestow peace and blessings be upon him) addressed anyone as a disbeliever but we find this word easy to use.

If you have a disagreement with a brother on a certain issue then do not discuss it because it could get worse and thus cause a greater problem. Generally, it is disliked for scholars to debate never mind the average person! So your job as an average Muslim is to be bothered about what you can change; if you are not a scholar then you should not be discussing these issues.

Have we forgotten this Quranic passage?

"O you who believe! Let not a folk deride a folk who may be better than they (are), not let women (deride) women who may be better than they are; neither defame one another, nor insult one another by nicknames. Bad is the name of lewdness after faith. And whoso turneth not in repentance, such are evil-doers."

The Private Apartments 49:11


The average person who is not a scholar has an excuse for his mistakes but the scholar does not. Sitting in gathering where people slander other groups is not the Sunna this is something else. This is something that the Prophet (may Allah bestow peace and blessings upon him) warned us not to do. The question is why are we doing the opposite? It looks like we have abandoned the Sunna years ago and made up our own by calling people disbelievers.

Final point

After some reflection we would like to make our last point and this is aimed at some individuals. It is really quite shocking and it's disgusting to witness. Some people read statements of scholars or other people and then call them disbelievers. After such an act they then demand other people to call the scholar or person a disbeliver, if they do not follow them then they say, "He is a kafir and if you don't say he is a kafir that makes you a kafir!" Statements of disbelief can not be used as evidence in refering to someone as a disbeliever this has been stated by the scholars of Islamic belief. Transmission of a statement of disbelief is not disbelief! So if someone transmitted a statement of disbelief from someone that does not make them a disbeliever nor does it make you a disbeliever if you not call them a disbeliever!
Most of the people who are calling others disbelievers affirm one of their teachers claims and then they repeat it to others. The problem with this is that most of the cases that they are not disbelief, so the others repeat the mistakes of their teachers. This is nothing but a disaster. Even if you hear something but you are not taxed to repeat it nor should you. Stay quiet, really just stay quiet and don't repeat their mistakes lest you fall into the same problem.

A statement of disbelief has to be clear and without any other possible way of explaining it other than it being a statement of disbelief. If a statement is made we have to seek clarification because many a time people do not know what they are saying. Many people may repeat what they hear off television and not realise the meaning of what they have said. For these people we should leave them and not purse the matter because it might get worse.

This might be confusing to some but this happens a lot and it constantly shocks me when I hear it. I have heard this a lot and other people have asked me to call some Muslims disbelievers and when I refused, well you can guess what happened then. We need to stop this, we really do.

Also, not if you call someone a disbeliever and you are wrong then the following occurs. You leave Islam and then your marriage is annulled, if you are married. So you have to repeat the testimony of faith and then re-new your marriage contract. This is not something you should take lightly. How many of us have left Islam, come back then not renewed our marriage contract and are therefore living in sin? Do you see the seriousness of this?

May Allah (mighty and majestic) forgive us all.
 

munno420

MPA (400+ posts)
Brothers I totally understand the level of respect you have for everyone but tell me one good quality/ doing of a Muslim that these people have? Weren't all these wrong doings practices of the people of Makkah before the advent of Islam? And then they shamelessly promote these people who are not worthy of being called Muslims.
 

munno420

MPA (400+ posts)
I totally understand the level of respect you have for everyone but tell me one good quality/ doing of a Muslim that these people have? Weren't all these wrong doings practices of the people of Makkah before the advent of Islam? And then they shamelessly promote these people who are not worthy of being called Muslims.
 

Sohraab

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Pakistan ka yeh Be ghairaat , be sharam , Bikao , Ghatya , Liberal secular Dajjali Electronic media kabhi nahi dikhai ga , yeh Paleeet media PTI ka Dushman hai
 

Imranpak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Immediate justice for all especially the downtrodden! Thanks to IK we are seeing some light at the end of the tunnel, inshallah! Haters will complain of baldy Nawaz looting us yet criticise PTO at the same time. They have no suggestions other then to attack everything that thy see!
 

Pukaar

Senator (1k+ posts)
Allah is the best judge. Both Imran Khan and Nawaz Sharif will have their time in their own grave. Neither Allah will ask Imran about Nawaz Sharif's actions, nor will He ask Nawaz Sharif about Imran's deeds. The successful between them is the one who fears that judgment in the grave.
 
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