Saudis reject Mecca holy water scare

hypocrite

Councller (250+ posts)
Zam Zam water contaminated with arsenic - BBC

Saudis need to do a thorough investigation ASAP.


I would be interested in comparing the cancer rates in Mecca to London.

Quote:

Contaminated Zam Zam holy water from Mecca sold in UK
By Guy Lyn

Holy drinking water contaminated with arsenic is being sold illegally to Muslims by UK shops, the BBC has found.

Zam Zam water is taken from a well in Mecca and is considered sacred to Muslims, but samples from the source suggested it held dangerous chemicals.

Tourists can bring back small amounts from Saudi Arabia, but it cannot be exported for commercial use.

An undercover researcher found large quantities of bottles being sold in east and south London, and in Luton.

The president of the Association of Public Analysts said he would "certainly would not recommend" drinking it.

'Poisonous' drink
A BBC investigation discovered Zam Zam water was being sold by Muslim bookshops in Wandsworth, south-west London, and Upton Park, east London, as well as in Luton, Bedfordshire.

"The water is poisonous, particularly because of the high levels of arsenic, which is a carcinogen and can cause cancer," said Dr Duncan Campbell, president of the Association of Public Analysts.


The water has a special significance for many of those who go on pilgrimages to the city of Mecca
"The limits set in drinking water are set there for very good reason.

"Once the water gets above that limit, it's not safe."

Secret recordings captured the vendors describing customers who drank it daily.

"They depend on it, they don't drink anything else," said the owner of an Islamic bookshop in Upton Park.

Last year the Food Standards Agency said people "should consider avoiding" the drink in the UK, which it said came from dubious sources.

'Sensitive matter'
The BBC asked a pilgrim to take samples from taps which were linked to the Zam Zam well and to buy bottles on sale in Mecca, to compare the water on sale illegally with the genuine source.

These showed high levels of nitrate and potentially harmful bacteria, and traces of arsenic at three times the permitted maximum level, just like the illegal water which was purchased in the UK.


Supplies of water were found in shops in London and Luton, even though it is not legal to sell it in the UK
Dr Yunes Ramadan Teinaz, an environmental health officer who has previously warned about Zam Zam water, said it was "a sensitive matter".

"People see this water as a holy water," he added.

"They find it difficult to accept that it is contaminated but the authorities in Saudi Arabia or in the UK must take action," he said.

None of the three shops involved would say why they were selling the water or how they obtained it, but further investigation suggested it had now been removed from their shelves.

The Saudi embassy in London declined to comment on the issue of contamination at the source in Mecca.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-13267205
 

malikbhai

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Zam Zam water contaminated with arsenic - BBC

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malikbhai

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Zam Zam water contaminated with arsenic - BBC

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]ZamZam Water: Scientific Research Findings[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Research by Tariq Hussain, Riyadh, By MOINUDDIN AHMED [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Come the Hajj season, and I am reminded of the wonders of Zamzam water. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Let me go back to how it all started. In 1971, an Egyptian doctor wrote to the European press, a letter saying that Zamzam water was not fit for drinking purposes. I immediately thought that this was just a form of prejudice against the Muslims and that since his statement was based on the assumption that since the Ka'aba was a shallow place (below sea level) and located in the center of the city of Makkah, the wastewater of the city collecting through the drains fell into the well holding the water. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Fortunately, the news came to King Faisal's ears who got extremely angry and decided to disprove the Egyptian doctor's provocative statement. He immediately ordered the Ministry of Agriculture and Water Resources to investigate and send samples of Zamzam water to European laboratories for testing the portability of the water. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]The ministry then instructed the Jeddah Power and Desalination Plants to carry out this task. It was here that I was employed as a desalting engineer (chemical engineer to produce drinking water from sea water). I was chosen to carry out this assignment. At this stage, I remember that I had no idea what the well holding the water looked like. I went to Makkah and reported to the authorities at the Ka'aba explaining my purpose of visit. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]They deputed a man to give me whatever help was required. When we reached the well, it was hard for me to believe that a pool of water, more like a small pond, about 18 by 14 feet, was the well that supplied millions of gallons of water every year to hajis ever since it came into existence at the time of Hazrat Ibrahim(A.S.)many, many centuries ago.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]I started my investigations and took the dimensions of the well. I asked the man to show me the depth of the well. First he took a shower and descended into the water. Then he straightened his body. I saw that the water level came up to just above his shoulders. His height was around five feet, eight inches. He then started moving from one corner to the other in the well (standing all the while since he was not allowed to dip his head into the water) in search of any inlet or pipeline inside the well to see from where the water came in. However, the man reported that he could not find any inlet or pipeline inside the well. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]I thought of another idea. The water could be withdrawn rapidly with the help of a big transfer pump which was installed at the well for the Zamzam water storage tanks.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]In this way, the water level would drop enabling us to locate the point of entry of the water. Surprisingly, nothing was observed during the pumping period, but I knew that this was the only method by which you could find the entrance of the water to the well. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]So I decided to repeat the process. But this time I instructed the man to stand still at one place and carefully observe any unusual thing happening inside the well. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]After a while, he suddenly raised his hands and shouted, "Alhamdullillah! I have found it. The sand is dancing beneath my feet as the water oozes out of the bed of the well." [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Then he moved around the well during the pumping period and noticed the same phenomenon everywhere in the well. Actually the flow of water into the well through the bed was equal at every point, thus keeping the level of the water steady. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]After I finished my observations I took the samples of the water for European laboratories to test. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Before I left the Ka'aba Sharief, I asked the authorities about the other wells around Makkah. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]I was told that these wells were mostly dry. When I reached my office in Jeddah. I reported my findings to my boss who listened with great interest but made a very irrational comment that the Zamzam well could be internally connected to the Red Sea. How was it possible when Makkah is about 75 kilometres away from the sea and the wells located before the city usually remains dry? [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]The results of the water samples tested by the European laboratories and the one We analysed in our own laboratory were found to be almost identical. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]CALCUIM & MAGNESUIM IN ZAM ZAM WATER:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]The difference between Zamzam water and other water (city water) was in the quantity of calcium and magnesium salts. The content of these was slightly higher in Zamzam water. This may be why this water refreshes tired hajis.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]FLOURIDE IN ZAMZAM WATER:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]But more significantly, the water contains fluorides that have an effective germicidal action. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Moreover, the remarks of the European laboratories showed that the water was fit for drinking. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Hence the statement made by the Egyptian doctor was proved false. When this was reported to King Faisal he was extremely pleased and ordered the contradiction of the report in the European Press. In a way, it was a blessing that this study was undertaken to show the chemical composition of the water. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]In fact, the more you explore, the more wonders surface and you find yourself believing implicitly in the miracles of this water that Allah Ta'ala bestowed as a gift on the faithful coming from far and wide to the desert land for pilgrimage. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Let me sum up some of the features of Zamzam water: [/FONT]
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Never Dried Up:
This well has never dried up. On the contrary it has always fulfilled the demand for water.
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Same Salt composition:
It has always maintained the same salt composition and taste ever since it came into existence.
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Portability:
Its portability has always been universally recognised as pilgrims from all over the world visit Ka'aba every year for Hajj and umrah, but have never omplained about it. Instead, they have always enjoyed the water that refreshes them.
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Universal taste:
Water tastes different at different places. Zamzam water's appeal has always been universal.
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No Biological Growth:
This water has never been chemically treated or chlorinated as is the case with water pumped into the cities.Biological growth and vegetation usually takes place in most wells. This makes the water unpalatable owing to the growth of algae causing taste and odour problems. But in the case of the Zamzam water well, there wasn't any sign of biological growth.
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Centuries ago, Bibi Hajra A.S. searched desperately for water in the hills of Saffa and Marwa to give to her newly born son Hazrat Ismail A.S. As she ran from one place to another in search of water, her child rubbed his feet against the sand. A pool of water surfaced, and by the grace of Allah Ta'ala, shaped itself into a well which came to be called Zamzam water. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]{ May we appreciate and utilize this great Ni'mah of Allah Ta'ala**[/FONT]
 

mt_dilber

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Zam Zam water contaminated with arsenic - BBC

Title of your thread is misleading. It makes people think you are taking about the water tested directly from the source (zam zam well in KSA). but you are actually talking about samples, sold thousands of miles away. BBC should have also conducted a research about authenticity of the product before breaking this 'spicy' news. :)
 

malikbhai

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Zam Zam water contaminated with arsenic - BBC

Saudis need to do a thorough investigation ASAP.


I would be interested in comparing the cancer rates in Mecca to London.

Quote:

Contaminated Zam Zam holy water from Mecca sold in UK
By Guy Lyn

Holy drinking water contaminated with arsenic is being sold illegally to Muslims by UK shops, the BBC has found.

Zam Zam water is taken from a well in Mecca and is considered sacred to Muslims, but samples from the source suggested it held dangerous chemicals.

Tourists can bring back small amounts from Saudi Arabia, but it cannot be exported for commercial use.

An undercover researcher found large quantities of bottles being sold in east and south London, and in Luton.

The president of the Association of Public Analysts said he would "certainly would not recommend" drinking it.

'Poisonous' drink
A BBC investigation discovered Zam Zam water was being sold by Muslim bookshops in Wandsworth, south-west London, and Upton Park, east London, as well as in Luton, Bedfordshire.

"The water is poisonous, particularly because of the high levels of arsenic, which is a carcinogen and can cause cancer," said Dr Duncan Campbell, president of the Association of Public Analysts.


The water has a special significance for many of those who go on pilgrimages to the city of Mecca
"The limits set in drinking water are set there for very good reason.

"Once the water gets above that limit, it's not safe."

Secret recordings captured the vendors describing customers who drank it daily.

"They depend on it, they don't drink anything else," said the owner of an Islamic bookshop in Upton Park.

Last year the Food Standards Agency said people "should consider avoiding" the drink in the UK, which it said came from dubious sources.

'Sensitive matter'
The BBC asked a pilgrim to take samples from taps which were linked to the Zam Zam well and to buy bottles on sale in Mecca, to compare the water on sale illegally with the genuine source.

These showed high levels of nitrate and potentially harmful bacteria, and traces of arsenic at three times the permitted maximum level, just like the illegal water which was purchased in the UK.


Supplies of water were found in shops in London and Luton, even though it is not legal to sell it in the UK
Dr Yunes Ramadan Teinaz, an environmental health officer who has previously warned about Zam Zam water, said it was "a sensitive matter".

"People see this water as a holy water," he added.

"They find it difficult to accept that it is contaminated but the authorities in Saudi Arabia or in the UK must take action," he said.

None of the three shops involved would say why they were selling the water or how they obtained it, but further investigation suggested it had now been removed from their shelves.

The Saudi embassy in London declined to comment on the issue of contamination at the source in Mecca.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-13267205
zam zam is heeling water, and there are many proofs of it.please don't advertize such baseless propoganda here.
 

Wasiq

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Zam Zam water contaminated with arsenic - BBC

Donot believe CNN and BBC these stations are all liers.
 

Raaz

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Re: Zam Zam water contaminated with arsenic - BBC

b.a.s.t.a.r.d broad cast (BBc)

But Saudia should investigate...

We could not imagine how dirty r they... May be they re injecting some thing in the water secretly while water come out of Zam zam well.

We should not forget that these nasty people had already tried to take the holey body of Rasool Pak....
 

Baba jee

Councller (250+ posts)
Re: Zam Zam water contaminated with arsenic - BBC

But Saudia should investigate...

We could not imagine how dirty r they... May be they re injecting some thing in the water secretly while water come out of Zam zam well.

We should not forget that these nasty people had already tried to take the holey body of Rasool Pak....

(hmm)(hmm)(hmm)
 

Super123

Councller (250+ posts)
Re: Zam Zam water contaminated with arsenic - BBC

How can be you sure what people selling in London is really Zam Zam ? I dn't think so , there r many fraudsters..........
 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Zam Zam water contaminated with arsenic - BBC

But Saudia should investigate...

We could not imagine how dirty r they... May be they re injecting some thing in the water secretly while water come out of Zam zam well.

We should not forget that these nasty people had already tried to take the holey body of Rasool Pak....

Dear Raz,

I have lot of respect for you but I was not expecting this baseless accusation from you. If Saudis, regardless of their human weakness, have kept the Holy land free of all kind of SHIRK, it does not mean you can pass a biased baseless statement. You may not agree to their defination of SHIRK but what they did with Janat-ul-baqui was according to authentic Hadeeths.
 

molson4u

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Zam Zam water contaminated with arsenic - BBC

The holy Prophet is our role model, If Janat-ul Baqui tombs were illegal and demolish then the tomb of Hazart Umer(RA), Hazarat Abu Baqar(RA) are Illegal too and should be demolished under the same" authantic hadeeth rule. Equality for all.
 

Raaz

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Re: Zam Zam water contaminated with arsenic - BBC


Dear Raz,

I have lot of respect for you but I was not expecting this baseless accusation from you. If Saudis, regardless of their human weakness, have kept the Holy land free of all kind of SHIRK, it does not mean you can pass a biased baseless statement. You may not agree to their defination of SHIRK but what they did with Janat-ul-baqui was according to authentic Hadeeths.

Thanks for respect!

May Allah clean u mind from shirk...

And bless your leopard a little bit sense..

Lion definitely need it...after all he is animal...

I was not talking about Shirk...
 

Knowledge Seeker

Senator (1k+ posts)

Knowledge Seeker

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Zam Zam water contaminated with arsenic - BBC

The holy Prophet is our role model, If Janat-ul Baqui tombs were illegal and demolish then the tomb of Hazart Umer(RA), Hazarat Abu Baqar(RA) are Illegal too and should be demolished under the same" authantic hadeeth rule. Equality for all.

Same fanatics of Al-e-Saud have already mentioned in book that (Nauzubillah) it is permissible to demolish the tomb of our beloved Prophet Hadhrat Muhammad (pbuh). What else do you expect from this mushrik-caller-factory who consider other muslim's schools of thought around the world as Mushrik.
 
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dukelondon

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Zam Zam water contaminated with arsenic - BBC

Ye loag apnay Rasool Muhammad (SAWW) kay bhi nahi ho sakay. In kay dimagh mein Shirk ka khannnaas bhara hua hai. Qabil-e-Reham loag hain.
 

wanderer

Siasat.pk - Blogger
Re: Zam Zam water contaminated with arsenic - BBC

well making sure that no one tampers with the water is important.

Its just a precaution... not a reaction.

Besides since its healing water, dont u think the "Non-Believers" would want some ???
 

Hazik

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Zam Zam water contaminated with arsenic - BBC

Ye yar aise news phenkte rehte hen, kissi ne jake kabhi full malomat le, duty of a true Muslim (which has easy access and is comfortable ) should take a pure sample, test it infront of them and make them pay if they are wrong..........warna propagandas to kerte rehte hen ye west wale always...........
 

samar

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Zam Zam water contaminated with arsenic - BBC

misleading title shame on the reporter !!!!!!!!!!1