New Questions about validity of appointment of CJ Iftikhar Chaudhary - illegal induction as AG and a

shaikh

Minister (2k+ posts)
Questions about validity of appointment of chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhary
(Under age and ineligibility for the post of Baluchistan high court Judge)

Appointment as judge of the Baluchistan high court just like other appointments in the high courts elsewhere is a constitutional post , in other words its terms and conditions cannot be altered except by changing the constitution. The minimum age required for judge of high court in constitution is 45 years . Now here is problem .The learned Chief justice as per supreme court record bears the date of birth as 12th December , 1948 . So when he was appointed as judge of Baluchistan high court in the year first as Adhoc judge in November 1990 he was only 42 years and was not eligible at all . So this appointment was illegal and unconstitutional .
 
In service matters it is an established principle that anomaly of this type is a great shortcoming and in constitutional post it cannot be condoned by any authority . So his appointment to the post of chief justice stands challenged. Musharaf should be happy at this as this removes one case from his shoulder about removing judges.
 
The second point is that his first illegality also renders him liable to action and this was appointment as advocate general Baluchistan in the year 1989 prior to becoming a high court judge . The post of advocate general is again a constitutional post and has the minimum age of 45 years too and this though is appointed by the governor but person needs as a prerequisite to be eligible for high court judge , he at the time of this appointment was only 41 years . So appointment to that post which was also unconstitutional And was wrong which again disqualifies him for a judge.
 
His taking oath under Musharaf's PCO in 1999 might have been an effort on his part to attain some legality but since PCO is itself not part of constitution anymore or neither was before his oath so this defect in his appointment cannot correct itself. however only for a few years from 2002 onwards the induction age for both posts was 40 years which was again changed back to 45 years and since his induction did not fall in that period so this remains defective.
Zardari probably knew this so does Nawaz Sharif so will the chief justice now resign ? or explain why is he there on this post like a king !.
When will he hand over charge to the next senior judge is my question while this anomoly is investigated or he graciously accepts to appoint an inquiry commitee for himself . As they say the darkest spot is under the candlestick .
Sources :
Annual report of Supreme court (Stating CJ Age and biography)
The constitution of islamic republic of Pakistan 1973
 
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Star Gazer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: New Questions about validity of appointment of chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhary - illegal induction as advocate general and adhoc judge Baluchistan high court

Apnay leeyay sub jayaiz hai! this is the dilema of soooo many in Pakistan including so-called-religiously inclined.
 

miafridi

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
It will be very interesting to see if any one goes with such a case against the CJ to the court.
 

karachiwala

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
میرے دوست کچھ دن اور انتظار کر لیتے۔ اب تو اسکی ریٹائیرمنٹ کا وقت ہوگیا۔ اب آپ کو یا د آیا؟
 

shaikh

Minister (2k+ posts)
Imran khan should know it for sure as he was the one who like Nawaz and Milliband wanted him to be reappointed . Has PTI or Imran still got the courage to take up this point in parliament tomorrow for example . By the way After Fazal ur Rahman fizzled out tired contesting Imran , the PMLN Hanif Abassi is now being setup to take Imran .Simultaneously sheikh Rasheed is being targeted . Imran needs a neutral judge at this juncture.
 

rtabasum2

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Imran khan should know it for sure as he was the one who like Nawaz and Milliband wanted him to be reappointed . Has PTI or Imran still got the courage to take up this point in parliament tomorrow for example . By the way After Fazal ur Rahman fizzled out tired contesting Imran , the PMLN Hanif Abassi is now being setup to take Imran .Simultaneously sheikh Rasheed is being targeted . Imran needs a neutral judge at this juncture.
All of them r politically affiliated, ur dreaming atleast he is not 100% under NS control, next one will be 100% NS judge
 

Democratic

Senator (1k+ posts)
(Under age and ineligibility for the post of Baluchistan high court Judge)
Appointment as judge of the Baluchistan high court just like other appointments in the high courts elsewhere is a constitutional post , in other words its terms and conditions cannot be altered except by changing the constitution. The minimum age required for judge of high court in constitution is 45 years . Now here is problem .The learned Chief justice as per supreme court record bears the date of birth as 12th December , 1948 . So when he was appointed as judge of Baluchistan high court in the year first as Adhoc judge in November 1990 he was only 42 years and was not eligible at all . So this appointment was illegal and unconstitutional .

You should have investigated the issue before making such a claim. The Honorable Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudry was not appointed as the judge of Balochistan high court in November 1990. Rather , the Supreme court's biography states that "Elevated as Additional Judge of High Court of Balochistan in the month of November, 1990". http://www.supremecourt.gov.pk/web/page.asp?id=204

It has been clearly mentioned in Honorable Chief Justice's biography that he was appointed as the judge of Balochistan High court in 1993. http://www.supremecourt.gov.pk/web/page.asp?id=204

An additional judge is not a regular judge of the High court rather its a non-regular position which has to deal with special tasking. Therefore for the special judges their is a separate article 197 which deals with their appointment.http://www.pakistani.org/pakistan/constitution/part7.ch3.html

There is a precedence in which this difference has been made clear. The former Chief Justice , Justice Saeed Uz Zamaaan Siddique penned down his ruling in Justice Ghulam Haider vs the federation case , which is mentioned in PLD 2000 , states that

"The appointment of an additional judge of the High Court is for a specified period. Such appointment, therefore, comes to an end on expiry of the High Court, unless the period is further extended or the appointment is converted into a Judge of the High Court. Therefore an Additional Judge ceases to hod the office if the period specified in the notification appointing him as an Additional Judge is not extended. In such an eventuality, he cannot claim hearing before expiry of the period mentioned in the notification. However, additional judges appointed in the High Court against permanent vacancies or if permanent vacancies occur while such judges are performing functions as additional judges, they acquire a legitimate expectancy and they are entitled to be considered for permanent appointment on expiry of their period as additional judges if they are recommended by the Chief Justice of the High Court concerned and the Chief Justice of Pakistan."
http://pakistanconstitutionlaw.com/p-l-d-2000-sc-179/
 
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Democratic

Senator (1k+ posts)
I just wonder how some people start applauding a factually incorrect information that suits their emotions and never bother to check its veracity. The same people then babble about corruption and dishonesty in Pakistan who bear no intellectual or informational honesty on their own part.
 

shaikh

Minister (2k+ posts)
I have checked the wording of constitution concerning advocate general's appointment myself and similarly I have twice gone through the requirements of the high court judge be he regular or adhoc . I stand by my opinion that the constitutional position is what I have mentioned already. By the way you missed the illegal appointment as Advocate general being underage at the time ,Explain that sir . Regarding Saeeduzzaman Sidiqui's judgement it is an opinion not the word of constitution , regarding Saeduzaman allow me to mention one decision made by one of his cronies to please him that stated in essence that since his wife was grade 18 advisor to some grade 20 officer so grade 20 officer is bound by her advise !. The chap who wrote that decision wanted to become CJ LHC but made it later to SC as judge , did he reprimand him for making such a judgement , he did not . This trend to break constitution under fake alibi is not recent or non repetitive , I am told some body who is a son of former SC judge and even CJ for a while has taken a post in one province of assistant advocate general and was quickly elelvated and now appears before CJ supreme court at the age of around 36 years . As far as constitution is concerned I makes no difference between the eligibility requirements of an adhoc appointee and a regular appointee . Iftikhar chaudhary has to answer the charge or give an explanation or get ready for proceedings .He has insulted enough persons in courts and it is time that action against any rude person be it Jawad Khawaja or anyone is taken in earnest , afterall, these are not majesties as Aitzaz says but they are legal experts and they better learn good manners themselves and honesty too .
 

shaikh

Minister (2k+ posts)
AND "the President may, in the manner provided in clause (1) of Article 193, appoint a person qualified for appointment as a Judge of the High Court to be Additional Judge of the Court for such period as the President may determine, being a period not exceeding such period, if any, as may be prescribed by law. As can be seen from your link that additional judge has to have the same qualification as a high court judge as regarding eligibility and that includes age . THANKS FOR THE LINK TO FURTHER PROVE MY POINT.
 

Democratic

Senator (1k+ posts)
@ Dear Shaikh .

1.There is a good amount of difference between adhoc judge and additional judge.

2. What Saeed Uz Zamaan was and wanted is irrelavent so don't use him as a strawman to run away from the core issue.

3. I quoted the verdict of Saeed Uz Zamaan as a precdence for the difference between additional judge and high court's judge. Verdicts are always quoted as precedences when it comes to the interpretation of the constitution.

4. It is clearly mentioned on Supreme court's website that the Honorable Iftikhar Chaudry became judge of the high court in 1993.

5. You are squarely and evidently wrong on what you said in your opening post. Rest i am in no mood to continue a discussion for the sake of discussion.
 

shaikh

Minister (2k+ posts)
Sir , I am right on both counts , be sure as best legal minds of country have researched that with me , there was a small period during which minimum age was reduced from 45 years to 40 years but this was later reinstituted to 45 years and this I have mentioned above in my posts but his appointment is not covered by that reduced age period . As a matter of fact if you see an updated book of constitution eg by KLR publications you will see that there is a foot note in section 193(2) , this foot note states that and I quote , "Subs for word "forty "shall deemed always to have been so substituted w.e.f 21.8.2002". This to us means that the age of forty was in existence only between 2002 and 2010 when the amendment was made in the constitution and age restored back to 45 years as before 2002 , which is the relevant period for this CJ. I have in front of me supreme Court annual report Jan 2012 to March 2013 , on page 13 is written his biodata. He was as it says "Elevated as judge of the high court of Baluchistan in the month of November ,1990". It also records his date of birth as 12th December , 1948 . Regarding difference between various type of judges , it is enough to say that if there is a constitutional post , its constitutional requirement has to be met including age in all its variant terminologies , high court judge is a constitutional post , to be appointed in any of its formats be its additional or adhoc all the requirements including age is mandatory .
 

Democratic

Senator (1k+ posts)
there was a small period during which minimum age was reduced from 45 years to 40 years but this was later reinstituted to 45 years and this I have mentioned above in my posts but his appointment is not covered by that reduced age period .

Would you specify that period with reference to the constitutional amendment that was done to article 193?
 

shaikh

Minister (2k+ posts)
Would you specify that period with reference to the constitutional amendment that was done to article 193?

As a matter of fact if you see an updated book of constitution eg by KLR publications you will see that there is a foot note in section 193(2) , this foot note states that and I quote , "Subs for word "forty "shall deemed always to have been so substituted w.e.f 21.8.2002". This to us means that the age of forty was in existence only between 2002 and 2010 when the amendment was made in the constitution and age restored back to 45 years as before 2002 , which is not applicable for this CJ. As a matter of there is hue and cry that son of Ramday is also hit by age clause being less than 45 years but then that is not the subject of this thread though he too is enjoying that post in Punjab.
 

shaikh

Minister (2k+ posts)
Unless some new explanation emerges to explain as to why this point was never raised before the appointment of CJ is invalid. His appointments to say in IHC such as crowd phobic Kasi who deals with 30 cases in one hour (to lock himself in office again) not allowing lawyers to argue and even insulting lawyers and the 100% political and biased emotionally unstable politician Shaukat Siddiqui speak volumes of CJ incompetence to choose a team . The other day I saw the bench of CJ , usually it is triple bench with Jawad Khawaja and Saeed accompanying. This bench listens to all new cases. The most striking aspect of this bench is that three judges do not try to emulate any line of their own or query of their own to investigate any new case , rather chief or Jawad is the opening batsman and stick to one line . Saeed remains quite most of the time . Similarly some statements made to lawyers by court is meant for media infact .Jawad Khawaja has a pony tail and looks so indignified at this older age because of it . It does not give the impression of a court where each judge is immersed in work and contemplating but rather a threatrical performance and delay imposed and time given inordinately to some parties even when case is simple . Not impressed at all . It is called a dismissing bench in lawyers culture locally .
 

Democratic

Senator (1k+ posts)
As a matter of fact if you see an updated book of constitution eg by KLR publications you will see that there is a foot note in section 193(2) , this foot note states that and I quote , "Subs for word "forty "shall deemed always to have been so substituted w.e.f 21.8.2002". This to us means that the age of forty was in existence only between 2002 and 2010 when the amendment was made in the constitution and age restored back to 45 years as before 2002 , which is not applicable for this CJ.

That footnote is there in any book of the constitution and even in the link that i provided , all the amendments and evolutions related to articles and sub-articles have been mentioned. The only two ammendments to 193 (2) I am aware are of 2002's LFO and and 2010's 18th amendment. I shall further look into it as well but it does not refute the basic argument that CJ was additional judge of Balochistan HC and it is clearly mentioned that he became Judge BHC in 1993. To this point you have raised the following objection

AND "the President may, in the manner provided in clause (1) of Article 193, appoint a person qualified for appointment as a Judge of the High Court to be Additional Judge of the Court for such period as the President may determine, being a period not exceeding such period, if any, as may be prescribed by law. As can be seen from your link that additional judge has to have the same qualification as a high court judge as regarding eligibility and that includes age . THANKS FOR THE LINK TO FURTHER PROVE MY POINT.


However , if one reads article 197 which deals with the additional judges , it is evident that there has been some obfuscation on your part. The article states that

197Additional Judges.
At any time when-
(a)the office of a Judge of a High Court is vacant; or
(b)a Judge of a High Court is absent or is unable to perform the functions of his office due to any other cause; or
(c)for any reason it is necessary to increase the number of Judges of a High Court,the President may, in the manner provided in clause (1) of Article 193, appoint a person qualified for appointment as a Judge of the High Court to be Additional Judge of the Court for such period as the President may determine, being a period not exceeding such period, if any, as may be prescribed by law.

The application of clause C is only limited to the condition when a president wants to increase the number of Judges in a high court and thats not necessarily a reason for the induction of an additional judge as is clear from 197 (a,b). This difference has been made clear by Saeed Uz Zamaan's decision and Supreme court's bio of the CJ. Lets not forget that the ultimate authority to interpret the constitution and explain away the various ambiguities and perplexity related to the text of the constitution.
 
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shaikh

Minister (2k+ posts)
Now the story proceeds from this point onwards , that is induction of CJ in service was doubtful itself and that a reference had been filed by Musharaf . Next his car is stopped near sports complex in 2007 , he refuses to talk to anyone except police and gardeners of sport complex describe all what they saw . Anyhow the big guy who held him by hair , I have seen him myself and for a little while for giving credence to the picture he was posted in SSP office for lawyers to see , was indeed big. Might be holding by hair is their practise to prevent car rim to hit heads say of CJ and not contempt which policemen have for every one not just the CJ. Next some in CJ lobby of SC bench gather on the basis of possibly vague information and gives ruling that no one can take oath as CJ. This was highly illegal and treasonous on their part as judges are like government servant and website of supreme court says gov.pk . If a servant of state is accused he cannot be allowed to stay in the post and then inquiry take place under him , this is both illogical and illegal . Iftikhar chaudry probably had to be arrested like some other judges for contriving to prevent a lawful inquiry of the state . As by this act of resisting a lawful and constitutional inquiry they had done treason , these judges had to resort to lawyers campaign and take help of outsiders of the system and lawyers movement commences with unexplained resources. The person who took oath first as acting CJ had a sort of rivalry with the CJ , as that person's father was a DIG under whom CJ's father who was a very junior but known honest functionary had worked , ie, the class clash . As a matter of fact Musharaf did nothing outside the constitution whereas these judges did every act with illegal intent and Musharaf can get out of that case very easily . He needs out of box , non routine lawyers and public help for this case but then Army chief is a term opposite of civil law I doubt that he will fight it legally except symbolically.
 

shaikh

Minister (2k+ posts)
And besides this CJ Iftikhar's date of joining supreme court is 30.06.2005 while that of Justice Tassadaq Hussain Gilani is 31.07.2004 and that of Justice Nasir ul Mulk is 05.04.2005. Hence amongst sitting judges he is not the most senior and even his continuing appointment can be called into question. Now as both Zardari and Nawaz did not want new power centres within their parties so when Zardari wanted to get rid of Gilani he got it via CJ Iftikhar Chaudry and it is said that Justice Tassadaq from Multan, possibly related to Gilani was not too happy and stayed for a while in Lahore . It always served the CJ sahib to create some Tamasha as if there is no Tamasha , questions of seniority and of induction and such painful things are asked .