Islam and Democracy (For those muslims who are in love with democracy and are willing to die for it)

Politician

MPA (400+ posts)
I agree mujhay democracy phobia ho gaya hai kioun k is se mulk k halat kharab ho rahay hain, lekin politician phobia? [hilar][hilar][hilar] is baat pe to main thookon ka bhi nahein.

Main koi Islam ka ya khilafat ka thekedar nahein.

Tum batein hi aisy kar rahay ho k majbooran mujhay tumhein gumrah kehna parh raha hai, is mein mera koi kasoor nahein. Is forum pe bohot log meri raye se ikhtilaaf kartay hain lekin main kisi koi aisay hi bethay bethay gumrah ya islam dushman ka pujari nahein kehta. Tum unique ho tumhein is baat pe fakhar karna chahiye. Tumharay ilawa MQM k kuch logon ko main ne yehi batein kahi hon gi yahan :P

Aur tum ne hospital janay wali baat ko ghalat interpret kia hai, itefaaq se is mein bhi mera kasoor nahein
(bigsmile)

Agar tum bardasht is ko kehtay ho k tumhari baat parh kar koi us ka reply na karay to yeh bardasht tumhein mubarik ho. Aur itefaaq se is mein bhi mera koi kasoor nahein (bigsmile)

meri baat parh kar us par reply zarura kare is par koi a'aitraz nahi. a'aitraz us par jo meri baat parhe aur mujhe gumrah hone ka ta'ana de aur kabhi mujhe Islam dushman a'anasir ka pujari hone ka ta'ana de.

Saad Knight yahan apne Aap ko khilafat ka theke dar samjhte hyn in k khayal main jo log political parties ko support karte hyn aur vote dalte hyn woh kufar ko support karr ahe hyn aur democracy ko support karne wale gumrah aur Islam dushman a'anasir k pujari hyn. Saad Knight ki soch main aur Sufi Muhammad jaise logoun ki soch main koi farq nahi. Allah is forum k Sufi Muhammad ko hidayat de.
 

SaadKnight

Senator (1k+ posts)
meri baat parh kar us par reply zarura kare is par koi a'aitraz nahi. a'aitraz us par jo meri baat parhe aur mujhe gumrah hone ka ta'ana de aur kabhi mujhe Islam dushman a'anasir ka pujari hone ka ta'ana de.

Saad Knight yahan apne Aap ko khilafat ka theke dar samjhte hyn in k khayal main jo log political parties ko support karte hyn aur vote dalte hyn woh kufar ko support karr ahe hyn aur democracy ko support karne wale gumrah aur Islam dushman a'anasir k pujari hyn. Saad Knight ki soch main aur Sufi Muhammad jaise logoun ki soch main koi farq nahi. Allah is forum k Sufi Muhammad ko hidayat de.
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Ab bachon ki tarhan rona band karo. main kisi ka bhi koi thekedar nahein :P Ja k apnay leader k jootay polish karo.
 

Politician

MPA (400+ posts)
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Ab bachon ki tarhan rona band karo. main kisi ka bhi koi thekedar nahein :P Ja k apnay leader k jootay polish karo.

is forum k Sufi Muhammad se isi tarah k fazool replies ki umeed ki ja sakti hy. ikhlaq hy nahi baatain karte hyn khilafat lane ki.
 

SaadKnight

Senator (1k+ posts)
is forum k Sufi Muhammad se isi tarah k fazool replies ki umeed ki ja sakti hy. ikhlaq hy nahi baatain karte hyn khilafat lane ki.
ikhlaaq lafz istemaal karnay se pehlay zara apna girebaan mein jhank lete, shayad sharam aa hi jati tumhein. ab agar sharam mehsoos ho to reply mat karna.
 

Politician

MPA (400+ posts)
ikhlaaq lafz istemaal karnay se pehlay zara apna girebaan mein jhank lete, shayad sharam aa hi jati tumhein. ab agar sharam mehsoos ho to reply mat karna.

forum par khilafat k thekedar ko jab us ka ikhlaq yaad dilaya tou ab ye forum ka bhi thekidar banne ki koshish kar rahe hyn k yahan reply mat karo. meri marzi main jahan bhi relevant reply karun Aap ko kya problem hy Saad Knight bhai?
 

Wadaich

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
is waqt hamare mulk k masael mian se aik masa'ala woh log bhi hyn jo jamhooriat dushman hyn. ye a'anasir jamhooriat ko chalne nahi dena chahte. Saad Knight ka ta'aluq bhi usi group se hy. ye log Islam ka naam le kar a'awam ko bewakoof bana kar iqtidar par hamesha k liay qabza karna chahte hyn. in hee logun main Laal topi wale Zaid hamid bhi hyn jo logoun ko bewakoof bana kar khalifa banna chahte hyn magar Laal topi wale Zaid Hamid ko ulmaa ne expose kar dia hy. hamare media k logoun ne (e.g: Nusrat Javed, inhoun ne is laal topi wale zaid hamid ka naam laal topi wala maskhara rakha hy) bhi Laal topi wale ko khoob expose kia hy.

Do U think Nusrat Javed and the breed he belongs to are very credible and honest people who are running the agenda of RAW ..... ..... And the stand which Mian Sahib took in SAFMA was very in line with the two nation theory? and Ideology of Pakistan? What a shameless stance it was ....... it seemed as if Mian Nawaz Shareef is a teen ager who is carried away by the mood of the meeting, that even Majeed Nizami cried out ........ ....... ....... So see whom You are declaring credible ......... ........ the stooges of RAW.. ... ... Nusrat Javed ....(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)

Bhai saahib would U please tell me the country where the democracy has brought common man in the parliament. ....... ....... ....... and resolved the issues of the masses.:(
 

SaadKnight

Senator (1k+ posts)
forum par khilafat k thekedar ko jab us ka ikhlaq yaad dilaya tou ab ye forum ka bhi thekidar banne ki koshish kar rahe hyn k yahan reply mat karo. meri marzi main jahan bhi relevant reply karun Aap ko kya problem hy Saad Knight bhai?
Is ka matlab tumhein sharam mehsoos nahein hui [hilar]
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Ittefaaq se is mein bhi meri koi ghalti nahein. [hilar]

Theek hai! Kartay raho jo karna hai mujhay koi takleef nahein. Aur main koi kisi cheez ka thekedaar nahein. Ikhlaaq pehlay apna behtar karo aur phir doosron k gerebaan par hath dalo :P
Jo jis tarhan k ikhlaq ka haqdar hota hai main us se usi tarhan paish aata hon khamkha kisi koi ziada free nahein karta :P :P :P :P :P
 
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mrk123

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I am extremely sorry that my ways of putting my argument do not look good, you are right it looks as if I am a follower of "either with us or against us policy" but I have a very hard time putting my point of view the other way around.

I am not saying we will implement a system that is going to exactly be islamic, but it is going to be near to an islamic system. In this day and age, we need to devise a system from the quran, sunnah, khilafat-e-rashida keeping in mind the current state of the world (in which almost the entire world is against islam). There is a lot of research needed to be done in this area. The problem with looli langri democracy is that it is and will never be able to provide social justice. Everything is messed up. I agree that we cannot nominate a true and exemplary muslim as the Emir and everyone will do bai'yat, but we should not always be looking at reality. See this is the problem, the entire world has been put to compare things in reality. I can write up a lot of things here but I would recommend you to listen to Dr. Israr Ahmed's lectures on a islamic state and what do we need to do to be a true muslim. Once we cleanse our selves and move on to implement such a system, with sincere ijtemai tobah, Allah will put forward people that do not need wazarat but are completely capable to responsibly handle things at the state level.

It is a very hard thing to do but it is better than the current democratic system where every thing is getting worse by the day. If you still cannot understand my point please do listen to Dr. Israr Ahmed's lectures.

Biradar - I have listened to Dr. Israr Ahmed on this topic - but I have to be up front that even though I respect Dr. Israr I dont agree with his philosophy and his interpretation. Now, therein lies the dilemma - Alhamdolillah I am a muslim - but I dont buy in to the Ummah concept as we have the Ummah today - there are supposed to be 72 sects then at least I would say that there are 7300 sects in Pakistan today - considering that everyone has their 1 1/2 "eeenth" ki masjid! My point is that realistically if you want to formulate a system which you would want to call "Islamic" or adhering to Islamic principles then we will be having this argument until the end of time given how people are rigid in what THEY THINK IS RIGHT. I think this is the time to be realistic, practical and accomodating without compromising core Islamic principles.

I am not advocating that western form of democracy is the ideal state - all I am saying is that we can have something which will suit us but going illusive strictly Islamic system will not take us anywhere (hope people take this in the right way and take the opposite of what I am trying to say here).

Again, I will reiterate my earlier point that if better muslims before us couldnt solve this conundrum then surely we will have a hard time given the divsions present among us at this time.
 

SaadKnight

Senator (1k+ posts)
Biradar - I have listened to Dr. Israr Ahmed on this topic - but I have to be up front that even though I respect Dr. Israr I dont agree with his philosophy and his interpretation. Now, therein lies the dilemma - Alhamdolillah I am a muslim - but I dont buy in to the Ummah concept as we have the Ummah today - there are supposed to be 72 sects then at least I would say that there are 7300 sects in Pakistan today - considering that everyone has their 1 1/2 "eeenth" ki masjid! My point is that realistically if you want to formulate a system which you would want to call "Islamic" or adhering to Islamic principles then we will be having this argument until the end of time given how people are rigid in what THEY THINK IS RIGHT. I think this is the time to be realistic, practical and accomodating without compromising core Islamic principles.

I am not advocating that western form of democracy is the ideal state - all I am saying is that we can have something which will suit us but going illusive strictly Islamic system will not take us anywhere (hope people take this in the right way and take the opposite of what I am trying to say here).

Again, I will reiterate my earlier point that if better muslims before us couldnt solve this conundrum then surely we will have a hard time given the divsions present among us at this time.

Hmm..........

Then we are here in need of a Mujadid in our age, i.e. we need to wait for Imam Mahdi and not loose faith, because the time ahead is going to be extremely difficult. Fitnahs is going to erupt every where, hence it will be extremely difficult to recognize the righteous amongst the ummah. Our generation or the generation after us is going to go through the darkest of the times. May Allah help us all and keep us and our faith in His protection. AMEEN!!
 

mrk123

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Hmm..........

Then we are here in need of a Mujadid in our age, i.e. we need to wait for Imam Mahdi and not loose faith, because the time ahead is going to be extremely difficult. Fitnahs is going to erupt every where, hence it will be extremely difficult to recognize the righteous amongst the ummah. Our generation or the generation after us is going to go through the darkest of the times. May Allah help us all and keep us and our faith in His protection. AMEEN!!

We already have fitnas - look around there are fitnas abound! Political fitnas, religious fitnas....all kinds of fitnas are around. All we need is to try to sincerely do our best for the living and for the generations to come....thats all whats needed we dont need to make things too complicated.
 

SaadKnight

Senator (1k+ posts)
We already have fitnas - look around there are fitnas abound! Political fitnas, religious fitnas....all kinds of fitnas are around. All we need is to try to sincerely do our best for the living and for the generations to come....thats all whats needed we dont need to make things too complicated.
These fitnas are nothing with comparison to what's comming. We don't need to make things too complicated, things are going to complicate themselves in the name of enlightened moderation.
 

1 ummah

Councller (250+ posts)
book democracy is a system of kufr it is forbidden to adopt implement or call for it

This book written on the 3rd Dhul-Qida 1410AH, 27th May 1990 by the late Sheikh Abdul Qadeem Zalloom (May Allah have mercy on him) follows such an approach and shows that democracy far from being a model for Muslims is in fact a system of kufr that is forbidden to adopt, implement or call for.

http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/multimedia/books/13177-book-democracy-is-a-system-of-kufr-it-is-forbidden-to-adopt-implement-or-call-for-it
 

rashiid

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: book democracy is a system of kufr it is forbidden to adopt implement or call for it

This book written on the 3rd Dhul-Qida 1410AH, 27th May 1990 by the late Sheikh Abdul Qadeem Zalloom (May Allah have mercy on him) follows such an approach and shows that democracy far from being a model for Muslims is in fact a system of kufr that is forbidden to adopt, implement or call for.

http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/multimedia/books/13177-book-democracy-is-a-system-of-kufr-it-is-forbidden-to-adopt-implement-or-call-for-it



100% agreed , Islam has been perfected. do we accept this? if that is the case, why do we need to change something that is perfected? is it because we need to pander to the west or because somethings don't make "sense" to us? do we realise that Allah is ABOVE our logic and reason?

democracy is a buzz word and buzz words come and go. it's not a proven system. in fact it's only proven that you can control the masses by giving them the illusion that they are in power. democracy is based on the premise that majority is right. the reality is that the majority is awalys wrong. it's called the herd effect. it's also why committees and governments don't work but companies do much better with fewer resources. in a company, the leader makes the final decision very much like a khlifah even if the majority do not agree.

If we believe Islam is perfect and Allah knows best, then we strive for Khliafah and leave the rest to Allah. sure there will be those who will abuse their power. look at the Us, Israel and Endia. they are democracies but they abuse their power daily.

perhaps we should stop being selective about islam. we go to the kuffar for political solutions (democracy) even though islam has a proven turn key solution that just needs to be implemented.

as long as we seek solutions from the kuffar instead of our perfected deen, we will continue to be humiliated and a burden on the rest of the world instead of custodians as we are supposed to be.
 

1 ummah

Councller (250+ posts)
The basis on which democracy is established they are two:
1- Sovereignty is for the people.
2- The people are the source of authority.

As for Islam, sovereignty is for the Shar’a and not for the Ummah. Allah _
is the only Legislator; the Ummah, the whole of it, does not possess the right
to legislate even one single rule. If all the Muslims met and agreed to permit
usury (Riba) so as to revive the economic situation; or if they agreed to allow
special places for fornication so that it does not spread among the people; or
if they agreed to abolish private property or the obligation of fasting to
enable an increase in production; or if they agreed the adoption of general
freedoms which leave the Muslim with the freedom to believe in the creed he
wants, and leave him to increase his wealth using all the means of growth,
including the prohibited means, and which allow him the personal freedom
to enjoy his life however he wishes in terms of drinking alcohol and
committing fornication. This agreement of the Ummah would have no value
and would not be equal, in the view of Islam, even to the wing of a gnat. If
a section of the Muslims undertook any of this, then they would be fought
until they reverted from this. Thus, the Muslims are restricted in all actions of
life to the commands and prohibitions of Islam. It is not allowed for them to
do any actions which contradict the rules of Islam, just as it is not allowed
for them to legislate even a single rule. Therefore, Allah _ is the only
Legislator. He _ said:
“But no, by your Lord, they can have no Iman (faith), until they make you the judge in
all disputes between them” [TMQ: An-Nisa: 65]
“Have you seen those (hypocrites) who claim that they believe in that which has been sent
down to you, and that which has been sent down before you, and they wish to go for
judgement (in their disputes) to the Taghut (false judges) while they have been ordered to
reject them?” [TMQ: An-Nisa: 60]
Referring for judgement to the Taghut constitutes referring for judgement
to other than what Allah has revealed, i.e. it is referring to the rules of Kufr
made by man.

Islam gave the Muslims the task of implementing the commands and
prohibitions of Allah _. Implementation of the commands and prohibitions
of Allah _requires an authority to implement them. Therefore, the authority
has been given to the Ummah i.e. the right to choose the ruler so that he
may implement the orders and prohibitions of Allah _. This is taken from
the Ahadeeth of the Bai’ah which gave the right of appointing the Khaleefah
to the Muslims through the pledge on the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of
the Messenger _. He _ said:
“Whosoever dies without a Bai’ah on his neck he will die the death
of Jahiliyyah”; it is narrated on the authority of 'Abd Allah b. 'Amr, who
said: “I heard the Messenger of Allah _ say:
“He who pledged his Bai’ah to an Imam giving him the clasp of
his hand and the fruit of his heart shall obey him as long as he can,
and if another comes to dispute with him, you must strike the neck of
that man.”' It has been narrated that 'Ubaadah b. as-Saamit said:
'We gave Bai’ah to the Messenger of Allah _ to hear and obey in
weal and woe'.
There are many other Ahadeeth which clarify that the Ummah
is the one who appoints the ruler via the Bai’ah on the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of His Messenger
Even though the Shar’a gave the authority to the Muslims to delegate
someone to rule them via the pledge (Bai’ah), it did not give them the right to
remove the ruler as in the democratic system. This is due to the presence of
authentic Ahadeeth which oblige the obedience to the Khaleefah even if he is
unjust, but as long as he does not order a sinful action. It is narrated by Ibn
'Abbas, who said that the Messenger of Allah _ said:
'If anybody sees in his Amir something which displeases him, he
should remain patient, for he who separates himself from the authority
of Islam (Sultan) by even so much as a handspan and dies thereupon,
he dies the death of the days of ignorance.' It is narrated by 'Awf b.
Maalik, who said: “I heard the Messenger of Allah _ say:
'And the worst of your Imams are those whom you hate and they
hate you and you curse them and they curse you.' We asked: 'O
Messenger of Allah, shall we not then declare war on them?' He _
said: 'No! As long as they establish prayer among you. If anyone were
to be ruled by a Wali and saw him committing a sin, let him abhor
the sin committed against Allah, but let him not withdraw his hand
from obeying the ruler.'” Establishing the prayer means ruling by Islam, by
mentioning part of Islam (Salah), but meaning all of it.
It is not allowed to rebel against the ruler except when he displays Kufr
Buwaah (clear Kufr) as mentioned in the Hadeeth of 'Ubaadah b. as-Saamitregarding Bai’ah, which said that:;
“The Messenger of Allah _ invited us so we pledged our Bai’ah to
him to hear and to obey, in weal and woe, in ease and in hardship and
evil circumstances and that we would not dispute with the people in
authority, unless you witness flagrant Kufr of which you have a
conclusive proof from Allah.”
The body that possesses the right to remove the Khaleefah is the court of
unjust acts (Mahkamatul Mazaalim

what is permitted for the Muslims to adopt
from the other nations and peoples and what is forbidden to be adopted,
according to what the Shar’a texts and rules indicate.
All actions coming from man and all things related to the actions of
man, the origin in these matters is to follow the Messenger and to be
restricted by the rules of his Message. The generality of the Ayah of Ahkaam
indicate the obligation of referring to the Shar’a and adhering to the rules of
the Shar’a: Allah said:
“Whatever the Messenger brought to you take it, and whatever he forbade you, leave it.”
[TMQ: Al-Hashr: 7]

'But no, by your Lord, they can have no Iman, until they make you the judge in all
disputes between them.' [TMQ: An-Nisa: 65]

'And if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it Allah and His Messenger .'
[TMQ: An-Nisa: 59]

And the Messenger of Allah said in the Hadeeth narrated by Bukhari
and Muslim:
Whosoever does an action and it is not from our matter/Deen then
it is rejected.'

'Whosoever innovates anything in this matter/Deen of ours and it is
not from it then it is rejected.'

“This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and
chosen for you Islam as your way of life (Deen).” [TMQ: Ma’idah: 3]

All the thoughts relating to science, industry, inventions etc., and all
the material forms resulting from science and its advancement and from
industry and its progress, are allowed to be taken unless they contradict
Islam. When they contradict Islam then it is forbidden to take them.

This is because all these thoughts relating to science, industry and
inventions and all these material forms which result from them do not relate
to belief or to the Shari’ah rules which solve the problems of man in life.
Rather they are from the permitted things which man uses in his life's affairs.

The evidence for that is the general Ayaat mentioned regarding the
permission for man to benefit from all things present in the universe. It is
also due to what has been narrated by Muslim that the Prophet said:

“Indeed I am only a human being like you. When I order you to do
something from the matter of your Deen then take it. And when I
order you about a thing from the matters of the world, I am but a
human being.” It is also due to his saying mentioned in the Hadeeth of
cross pollinating the date palm:
“You are more knowledgeable about the matters of your world.”
It is also due to the fact that the Prophet sent some of his companions
to the Jurash of Yemen to learn how to make swords.
As for the thoughts related to the 'Aqeedahhh and the Shari’ah rules, and
the thoughts related to the culture of Islam and its viewpoint about life, and
the rules which treat the problems of the humans, all of these must be
according to the Shari’ah
“It is not fitting for a believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by
Allah and his Messenger, to have any option about their decision.”
[TMQ: Al-Ahzab: 36]
“Every action that is not from our matter (Deen) is rejected.”

The culture (Hadharah) of the West is based on the creed of separating
religion from life and separating religion from the state.
Whereas the Islamic culture (Hadharah) is based on the Islamic Creed and
it obliges that the life and state should be run by the commands and
prohibitions of Allah, i.e. the Shari’ah rule.

The Western Hadharah is established on the basis of benefit and it makes
benefit the criterion of all actions. That is why it is a culture (Hadharah) of
pure benefit. It gives no importance to anything other than the beneficial
material value. That is why it has no spiritual, ethical or humanitarian values.
Whereas the Hadharah of Islam is established on a spiritual basis, which is
the belief (Imaan) in Allah, that makes the Halaal and Haraam the criteria of
all actions in life and governs all the actions and values according to the
commands and prohibitions of Allah .

Happiness according to the Western Hadharah is to provide man with the
optimum level of sensual pleasure and the means to achieve it.
Whereas the Islamic Hadharah views happiness as the attainment of
Allah's Pleasure (Ridwaan) and to organise man's instincts and organic needs
in accordance with the Shari’ah rules.

Thus democratic constitutions and laws, and the monarchical and republican ruling
systems, usurious banks, stock markets and world money markets, none of
these are allowed for us to take because they are all systems of Kufr and laws
of Kufr which contradict with the rules and systems of Islam.

It is not allowed to take the Communist Hadharah because it
completely contradicts with the Hadharah of Islam.
This is because the communist Hadharah is established on the basis of the
creed that there is no Creator for this universe, and that matter is the origin
of things and that all things in the universe result from it through the
dialectic materialism.
Whereas the Islamic culture (Hadharah) is established on the fact that Allah
is the Creator of this universe and that all things existent in it are created by
Him. And that He has sent Prophets and Messengers to the whole of
mankind and that He enjoined on them to follow what Allah has revealed to
them in terms of commands and prohibitions.

The sovereign in democracy to which reference is made for judgement on actions and things as pretty (Husn) or ugly (Qabih) is the mind
As for Islam, it is the opposite of this. Islam is from Allah, which He
revealed to His Messenger Muhammad b. 'Abd Allah . He said:
“Nor does he utter of his own desire. It is no less than Inspiration sent down to him”
[TMQ: An-Najm: 3-4]
The sovereign to which reference is made for judgements is only Allah
i.e. the Shari’ah and not the mind. The function of the mind is restricted to
understanding the texts that Allah has revealed. He said:
“Indeed, judgement (Hukm) is only for Allah” [TMQ: Al-Anam: 75]

Islam, it is based on the Islamic 'Aqeedahh which obliges that all affairs of the life and state are directed by
the commands and prohibitions of Allah, i.e. by the Shari’ah rules that
emanate from this creed. Accordingly, man has no right to devise his system,
rather it is incumbent on him to proceed according to the system devised for
him by Allah _.
On the basis of this creed the culture (Hadharah) of Islam has been
established and its viewpoint about life has been determined.


Democracy is the rule of the majority and legislation of the majority.
In Islam the issue is quite different:
Legislative matters do not depend on the opinion of the majority or the
minority. Rather, they depend on the Shari’ah texts because the legislator is
only Allah.

Thus he adopts the rules from the Shari’ah texts
found in the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of His Messenger, based on the
strongest evidence through a correct Ijtihaad.
If the Khaleefah refers to the Majlis al-Ummah to take their opinion
regarding rules, which he wants to adopt, the opinion of the Majlis is not
binding on him even, if it is a consensus or majority opinion. The Messenger
_ did not submit to the opinion of the Muslims who opposed the treaty of
al-Hudaybiyyah - and they numbered many - he rejected their opinion and
continued to conclude the treaty
 

1 ummah

Councller (250+ posts)
Re: book democracy is a system of kufr it is forbidden to adopt implement or call for it

The individual freedom is sacred in the democratic system. It is not allowed
for the state or individuals to transgress it. The capitalist democratic system
is considered an individualistic system, and the protection and preservation
of the general freedoms is considered as one of the most important tasks of
the state.
The general freedoms which democracy brought do not mean the
liberation of the colonised peoples from the colonialist states that colonise
them,but exploit their wealth and plunder their resources, because the idea of
colonialism is one of the results of the freedom of ownership, which
democracy has brought.
A Muslim is bound in all his actions by the Shari’ah rules and he is not free in
any action. There is no freedom in Islam, except the freedom of liberating
slaves from bondage, although slavery came to an end a long time ago.

_Freedom of belief in the democratic system means that man
has the right to believe in the creed he wishes and he has the
right to profess the religion he likes without compulsion or
pressure. Similarly he has the right to leave his creed and religion and move
to another new creed and religion, or he has the right to move to no religion
at all.
On the other hand, Islam forbids the Muslim from leaving the creed of
Islam, or to apostatise to Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, communism or
capitalism. The one who apostatises from Islam is asked to repent; if he
returns he will remain in Islam and if he does not repent his wealth is
confiscated and he is separated from his wife, then he is killed. He _ said:
“Whosoever changes his religion kill him!”
If the Murtaddeen (apostates) are a group and they persist in their apostasy,
then they are fought until they return, otherwise they are exterminated. This
is what happened with those who apostatised after the death of the
Messenger of Allah _, where Abu Bakr fought them fiercely until those of
them who were not killed returned back to Islam.
_Freedom of expression in the democratic system means that the
individual has the right to carry any opinion or thought, whatever
this opinion or thought may be; and he has the right to express
any opinion or thought; and he has the right to call for any opinion or
thought with the utmost freedom and without any limit or restriction,
whatever this opinion or thought may be.
As for Islam, the issue is different. The Muslim is bound in all his actions
and sayings by what the Shari’ah texts have brought. He is not allowed to
do any action or make any statement unless the Shari’ah evidences have
allowed that. Accordingly, the Muslim has the right to carry any opinion,
make any statement and call for any opinion as long as the Shari’ah evidences
allow it. However, when the Shari’ah evidences forbid him from doing this,
then the Muslim is not allowed to carry, say or call for such opinion, and if
he does so he will be punished. Thus the Muslim is restricted, in terms of
carrying, speaking and calling for an opinion, by the Shari’ah rules. He is not
free in this regard.
Islam obliges that the truth is spoken at all times. Hence, in the Hadeeth of
'Ubaadah b. as-Saamit regarding the Bai’ah,
“...and we (pledged to) speak the truth wherever we are, and in
serving Allah we should fear none.”
Islam also obliges the Muslims to oppose the rulers with opinion and to
account them for their actions. Umm 'Atiyyah narrated on the authority of
Abu Sa'eed who said that the Messenger of Allah _ said:
“The best jihad is the word of truth spoken to a tyrant ruler.”
“The master of martyrs is Hamza, and a man who stood up to a
tyrant ruler to advise him and was killed.”
Such an action is not freedom of opinion. Rather it is the adherence to the
rules of the Shari’ah. It is the permissibility of expressing about an opinion
in certain cases and the obligation of doing that in other cases.
_Freedom of ownership in the democratic system - which is the
freedom that resulted in the capitalist economic system and
consequently created the idea of colonising people, plundering
their wealth and looting their resources - means that man is firstly permitted
to possess wealth and then to increase it using any means or manner.
Islam, on the other hand, contradicts this freedom in terms of the rules of
ownership of wealth. It fights the idea of colonising people and the idea of
plundering their resources and seizing their wealth, just as it fights the idea of
usury (Riba) whether with compound interest or simple interest. Thus usury
(Riba), in all of its forms, is prohibited The Muslim is not left free to spend as
he wills. Rather, he is restricted to the rules legislated for him and he has
been forbidden from owning wealth and increasing it through looting,
plunder, theft, bribery, usury, gambling, fornication, homosexuality, fraud,
deception, excessive fraud, manufacture of alcohol or its sale, the use of a
woman's femininity, and other such forbidden means of possession or
increase of possession.

_The personal freedom in the democratic system is the freedom
to escape from all restrictions. It is the freedom to free oneself
from all spiritual, ethical and humanitarian values. It is the
freedom to destroy the family and to make it lose its entity and cohesion.
The rules of Islam completely contradict with this personal freedom.
There is no personal freedom in Islam. The Muslim is restricted by the
orders and prohibitions of Allah _ in all his actions and behaviour. It is
forbidden for him to do any action Allah has prohibited. If he were to
commit any such prohibited actions he would be sinful and he will be
severely punished.
Islam forbade fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, alcohol, nudity and
other grave offences; and for each offence it has determined a deterrent
punishment.
It also ordered the Muslims to acquire virtues, morals and the
commendable characteristics, and made the Islamic society to be one of purity and integrity and a society of high values.
One of the severest afflictions brought to humanity is the idea of
general freedoms initiated by the democratic system. This idea
caused nothing but disaster for humankind and societal
decadence in democratic countries to a level lower than that of the animals.
This is because the idea of freedom of ownership, and the fact that benefit
is the criterion of actions, has resulted in the mass capitalism, which became
in need of raw materials to run their factories and consumer markets to sell
their products. All that has pushed these capitalist countries to compete for
the colonisation of the developing countries world, seizing their wealth,
monopolising their resources and sucking the blood of their peoples in a
manner, which completely contradicts all humanitarian, ethical and spiritual
values.
As for the idea of personal freedom, it has turned societies in the
democratic countries into animalistic and base societies. It has
taken them to a level of filthy promiscuity that even animals
cannot reach. Allah spoke the truth when He said:
'Have you (O Muhammad) seen him who has taken as his ilah (god) his own desire
(Hawah)? Would you then be a Wakil (disposer of his affairs) over him? Or do you think
that most of them hear or understand? They are only like cattle; nay, they are even farther
astray from the Path'.[TMQ: Al-Furqan: 43]

The practice of sex is permitted in these democratic societies like the
drinking of water via legal provisions enacted by the parliaments of those
democratic countries and agreed to by their churches. These legislations
have permitted sex and cohabitation between males and females with
absolute freedom, once they both reach the age of 18 without the state or
their fathers having any authority to prevent these sexual practices.

The matter is not just restricted to legislating the permissibility of natural
sexual practices. Rather it has moved to legislating the permissibility of
deviant sexual practices. Some democratic countries have even permitted
marriage between sexually deviant people, where they have allowed a man to
marry a man, and a woman to marry a woman.

From this animalistic promiscuity has spread the sexually transmitted
diseases, the worst of which is the devastation of AIDS. Also arising from
this are the many children of fornication, to the point that one newspaper
published that 75% of English people are the sons of fornication.


It is obligatory on the Muslims to completely discard democracy. It is filth.
It is the rule of Taghut. It is Kufr, thoughts of Kufr, systems of Kufr, laws of
Kufr, which have no connection to Islam whatsoever.
It is also obligatory on them to implement and enforce the whole of Islam
in life, state and society.
 

JusticeLover

Minister (2k+ posts)
This is just stupid some people don't even have little sense to understand what democracy is , democracy is that people are involved in the decision making process , they choose the ruler what the want , Islam doesn't specify a administration system so we are free to choose a better system and Islamic Democracy in Pakistan is doing good , keep your idiotic propaganda to your self you want people to even loose their basic right and install a dictator ?
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
This is just stupid some people don't even have little sense to understand what democracy is , democracy is that people are involved in the decision making process , they choose the ruler what the want , Islam doesn't specify a administration system so we are free to choose a better system and Islamic Democracy in Pakistan is doing good , keep your idiotic propaganda to your self you want people to even loose their basic right and install a dictator ?

Dear JL, the quran is constitution of islam and it contains all we need to know. The problem is we never looked at the quran as a divine constitution of islam for mankind.


The real question is, is unity possible without any common goal and related rationality?

I would like people here to think hard as to what exactly is needed to unite people? Because without realising the necessities of unity,telling each other to unity is just empty words.

All people are individuals and to ask them to become united is asking them about organising themselves in to a human society. The very first things they need is goal or purpose that brings them together. Have we got any common purpose? Yes, islam=peace. Having no peace agreements between people means wars can break out between people at any time over one thing or another. This means without peace agreement between people instability and insecurity for everyone is inevitable.

In order to have an agreement between people we need some terms and conditions. The question is, what should those terms and conditions be? These terms and conditions have to be such that are acceptable to all, if not then people will not sign at the bottom of this agreement because it does not meet their requirement for peace. Therefore the terms and conditions have to be freedom, justice, fairness, compassion, brotherhood, progress and prosperity of mankind. Are there any better terms available than these to us? No. However that is not the end of this list rather the question now arises, how is this agreement going to be regulated and who is going to implement it and what are going to be their rights and responsibilities etc etc. This means we need an organisational constitution and an administration for its implementation.

Now read back these things to yourselves and you will realise that all this is about management of people and resources. The fight between people is over clean air to breath, fresh water to drink, good food to eat, a secure place to live and the right to raise a good family and right to have good friends as well as right to have no enemies.

Does the quran contain all this information? Yes. Do we know it really does? No. If we knew then we would have been an educated ummah. We have been learning islam from people who have been turning us in to confused animals. To get out of this situation we need to learn quran ourselves because islam needs educated people not dummies to bring it about by convincing others that there is no other better option available to us than islam.

This means putting mullahs out of business either by helping them educate themselves or by isolating them if they refuse education to become sensible and helpful.

This should leave one in no doubt that unity is impossible without people becoming rational and having right sense of purpose and the sense of need for necessities of purpose without which purpose cannot be achieved.


Please read surahs 1,2,4, 24, 33, 58, 65 etc. This is mullahs dirty game to keep power and control over individuals.



http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?50593-Javed-Ghamdi-Salman-Taseer-Asma-Jhangir-Khuda-ka-khof-karen-plz!-Nice-Column-by-Orya-Maqbool-Jan/page5

http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...-amp-tribalism&p=657523&viewfull=1#post657523


http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...-stand-and-why&p=490460&viewfull=1#post490460

http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?68250-بیوٹی-پارلرز-کی-آڑ-میں-کیا-ہو-رہا-ہے&p=417839&viewfull=1#post417839
 
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JusticeLover

Minister (2k+ posts)

My dear brother ,

Indeed mullahz want to put a tyrannic rule on the people of pakistan , they are using organizations like HUT , JI to create a wrong sense in the people of pakistan that democracy is not islamic.

Where as democracy is 100% islamic , we can take the example of the Holy Prophet when he presented islam in front of Makah people they rejected then holy prophet migrated to medina where he told the message the Kafirs of madina who democratically accepted the message and became muslim.
This is practical example of democracy (once you tell the truth to the people and let the judge who is best to rule them after all these people are the subject who are to be ruled)
 
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