Hyderabad 1948: India's hidden massacre

aazad.mubassir

Minister (2k+ posts)
Report claims Indian army killed thousands of muslims at partition time





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When India was partitioned in 1947 about 500,000 people died in communal rioting, mainly along the borders with Pakistan. But a year later another massacre occurred in central India, which until now has remained clouded in secrecy.


In September and October 1948, soon after independence from the British Empire, tens of thousands of people were brutally slaughtered in central India. Some were lined up and shot by Indian Army soldiers. Yet a government-commissioned report into what happened was never published and few in India know about the massacre. Critics have accused successive Indian governments of an ongoing cover-up. The massacres took place a year after the violence of partition in what was then Hyderabad state, in the heart of India. It was one of 500 princely states that had enjoyed autonomy under British colonial rule. When independence came in 1947 nearly all of these states agreed to become part of India.

But Hyderabad's Muslim Nizam, or prince, insisted on remaining independent. This outraged the new country's mainly Hindu leaders in New Delhi.

After an acrimonious stand-off between Delhi and Hyderabad, the government finally lost patience.

In addition to their desire to prevent an independent Muslim-led state taking root in the heart of predominantly Hindu India was another worry.

Members of the powerful Razakar militia, the armed wing of Hyderabad's most powerful Muslim political party, were terrorising many Hindu villagers.

This gave the Prime Minister, Jawaharlal Nehru, the pretext he needed. In September 1948 the Indian Army invaded Hyderabad.

In what was rather misleadingly known as a "police action" the Nizam's forces were defeated after just a few days without any significant loss of civilian lives. But word then reached Delhi that arson, looting, and the mass murder and rape of Muslims had followed the invasion.

Determined to get to the bottom of what was happening, an alarmed Nehru commissioned a small mixed-faith team to go to Hyderabad to investigate.

It was led by a Hindu congressman, Pandit Sunderlal. But the resulting report that bore his name was never published.

The Sunderlal team visited dozens of villages throughout the state.

At each one they carefully chronicled the accounts of Muslims who had survived the appalling violence: "We had absolutely unimpeachable evidence to the effect that there were instances in which men belonging to the Indian Army and also to the local police took part in looting and even other crimes.

"During our tour we gathered, at not a few places, that soldiers encouraged, persuaded and in a few cases even compelled the Hindu mob to loot Muslim shops and houses."

The team reported that while Muslims villagers were disarmed by the Indian Army, Hindus were often left with their weapons.

In some cases, it said, Indian soldiers themselves took an active hand in the butchery: "At a number of places members of the armed forces brought out Muslim adult males from villages and towns and massacred them in cold blood."

The investigation team also reported, however, that in many other instances the Indian Army had behaved well and protected Muslims.

The backlash was said to have been in response to many years of intimidation and violence against Hindus by the Razakars.

In confidential notes attached to the Sunderlal report, its authors detailed the gruesome nature of the Hindu revenge: "In many places we were shown wells still full of corpses that were rotting. In one such we counted 11 bodies which included that of a woman with a small child sticking to her breast.

And it went on: "We saw remnants of corpses lying in ditches. At several places the bodies had been burnt and we would see the charred bones and skulls still lying there."

The Sunderlal report estimated that between 27,000 to 40,000 people lost their lives.

No official explanation was given for Nehru's decision not to publish the contents of the Sunderlal report. Though it is likely that, in the powder-keg years that followed independence, news of what happened might have sparked more Muslim reprisals against Hindus.

It is also unclear why, all these decades later, there is still no reference to what happened in the nation's school books. Even today few Indians have any idea what happened.

The Sunderlal report remains elusive, although, unknown to many, it is now open for viewing at the Nehru Memorial Museum and Library in New Delhi.

There has been a call recently in the Indian press for it to be made more widely available, so the entire nation can learn what happened.

It could be argued this might risk igniting ongoing tensions between Muslims and Hindus.

"Living as we are in this country with all our conflicts and problems, I wouldn't make a big fuss over it," says Burgula Narasingh Rao, a Hindu who lived through those times in Hyderabad and is now in his 80s.

"What happens, reaction and counter-reaction and various things will go on and on, but at the academic level, at the research level, at your broadcasting level, let these things come out. I have no problem with that."

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24159594
 
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Imranpak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
When Deccan Hyderabad insisted on independence instead of becoming a part of Pakistan the Quaid warned them that Bharat would easily annex them. Most important thing to remember is when this happened the Quaid rightfully refused to send his troops to protect a people who were not a part of Pakistan.

Today, happy or unhappy they are a part of Bharat though many have a soft spot for Pakistan. As far as I am concerned willingly or not they are Bharatis so not our problem, enjoy your independence(clap)(clap). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhB__hLoNeM The Deccan Hyderabad situation that Pakistan neither claims or cares about is completely different to the Kashmir quagmire.
 
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M Ali Khan

Minister (2k+ posts)
Reminds me of when Pakistan sent army into the State of Kalat after a controversial accession by the Khan of Kalat and a subsequent rebellion by his brother, the Governor of Makran.
 

zhohaq

Minister (2k+ posts)
How Indian Army murdered thousands of Muslims in Hydrabad in 1948

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24159594


Hyderabad 1948: India's hidden massacre

By Mike ThomsonPresenter, Document, Radio 4
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When India was partitioned in 1947 about 500,000 people died in communal rioting, mainly along the borders with Pakistan. But a year later another massacre occurred in central India, which until now has remained clouded in secrecy.
In September and October 1948, soon after independence from the British Empire, tens of thousands of people were brutally slaughtered in central India.
Some were lined up and shot by Indian Army soldiers. Yet a government-commissioned report into what happened was never published and few in India know about the massacre. Critics have accused successive Indian governments of an ongoing cover-up.
The massacres took place a year after the violence of partition in what was then Hyderabad state, in the heart of India. It was one of 500 princely states that had enjoyed autonomy under British colonial rule.
When independence came in 1947 nearly all of these states agreed to become part of India.
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But Hyderabad's Muslim Nizam, or prince, insisted on remaining independent. This outraged the new country's mainly Hindu leaders in New Delhi.
After an acrimonious stand-off between Delhi and Hyderabad, the government finally lost patience.


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  • Listen to Mike Thomson's report on Document, The Hyderabad Massacre, on BBC Radio 4 at 16:00 BST on Tuesday 24 September or catch it later on the BBC iPlayer.


In addition to their desire to prevent an independent Muslim-led state taking root in the heart of predominantly Hindu India was another worry.
Members of the powerful Razakar militia, the armed wing of Hyderabad's most powerful Muslim political party, were terrorising many Hindu villagers.
This gave the Prime Minister, Jawaharlal Nehru, the pretext he needed. In September 1948 the Indian Army invaded Hyderabad.
In what was rather misleadingly known as a "police action" the Nizam's forces were defeated after just a few days without any significant loss of civilian lives. But word then reached Delhi that arson, looting, and the mass murder and rape of Muslims had followed the invasion.
Determined to get to the bottom of what was happening, an alarmed Nehru commissioned a small mixed-faith team to go to Hyderabad to investigate.
It was led by a Hindu congressman, Pandit Sunderlal. But the resulting report that bore his name was never published.
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Pandit Sunderlal's team concluded that between 27,000 and 40,000 died

The Sunderlal team visited dozens of villages throughout the state.

At each one they carefully chronicled the accounts of Muslims who had survived the appalling violence: "We had absolutely unimpeachable evidence to the effect that there were instances in which men belonging to the Indian Army and also to the local police took part in looting and even other crimes.
"During our tour we gathered, at not a few places, that soldiers encouraged, persuaded and in a few cases even compelled the Hindu mob to loot Muslim shops and houses."
The team reported that while Muslims villagers were disarmed by the Indian Army, Hindus were often left with their weapons.
In some cases, it said, Indian soldiers themselves took an active hand in the butchery: "At a number of places members of the armed forces brought out Muslim adult males from villages and towns and massacred them in cold blood."
The investigation team also reported, however, that in many other instances the Indian Army had behaved well and protected Muslims.
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The Nizam of Hyderabad was a powerful prince. In this picture taken in 1899, the Nizam, Mahbub Ali Khan, and his party pose with tiger skins.

The backlash was said to have been in response to many years of intimidation and violence against Hindus by the Razakars.
In confidential notes attached to the Sunderlal report, its authors detailed the gruesome nature of the Hindu revenge: "In many places we were shown wells still full of corpses that were rotting. In one such we counted 11 bodies which included that of a woman with a small child sticking to her breast.
And it went on: "We saw remnants of corpses lying in ditches. At several places the bodies had been burnt and we would see the charred bones and skulls still lying there."
The Sunderlal report estimated that between 27,000 to 40,000 people lost their lives.

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A Shiite shrine built by the seventh Nizam to perpetuate his mother's memory

No official explanation was given for Nehru's decision not to publish the contents of the Sunderlal report. Though it is likely that, in the powder-keg years that followed independence, news of what happened might have sparked more Muslim reprisals against Hindus.
It is also unclear why, all these decades later, there is still no reference to what happened in the nation's school books. Even today few Indians have any idea what happened.
The Sunderlal report remains elusive, although, unknown to many, it is now open for viewing at the Nehru Memorial Museum and Library in New Delhi.
There has been a call recently in the Indian press for it to be made more widely available, so the entire nation can learn what happened.
It could be argued this might risk igniting ongoing tensions between Muslims and Hindus.
"Living as we are in this country with all our conflicts and problems, I wouldn't make a big fuss over it," says Burgula Narasingh Rao, a Hindu who lived through those times in Hyderabad and is now in his 80s.
"What happens, reaction and counter-reaction and various things will go on and on, but at the academic level, at the research level, at your broadcasting level, let these things come out. I have no problem with that."
 
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Niazi Hawk

Minister (2k+ posts)
When Deccan Hyderabad insisted on independence instead of becoming a part of Pakistan the Quaid warned them that Bharat would easily annex them. Most important thing to remember is when this happened the Quaid rightfully refused to send his troops to protect a people who were not a part of Pakistan.

Today, happy or unhappy they are a part of Bharat though many have a soft spot for Pakistan. As far as I am concerned willingly or not they are Bharatis so not our problem, enjoy your independence(clap)(clap). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhB__hLoNeM The Deccan Hyderabad situation that Pakistan neither claims or cares about is completely different to the Kashmir quagmire.
these niazma were worst creatures on the face of this planet.........sultan tipu requested their fore fathers to remain neutral in war against English.........but these low lives helped british and played instrumental role in bringing down sultan tipu.........i guess this was pay back time
 

zhohaq

Minister (2k+ posts)
these niazma were worst creatures on the face of this planet.........sultan tipu requested their fore fathers to remain neutral in war against English.........but these low lives helped british and played instrumental role in bringing down sultan tipu.........i guess this was pay back time


Nizam escaped with alot of his wealth to Pakistan.
Family is now settled in Australia are extremely well off.
As usual the poor paid the price with their lives. No poetic justice here.
 

AwamiLog

Banned
Re: Report claims Indian army killed thousands of muslims at partition time

I bet Takht Lahore will never blame the Indian Sikhs !!
 
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Re: Report claims Indian army killed thousands of muslims at partition time

The tv is making it look between a issue of India vs muslim.

Hyderabad nizam was weakened,but what is wrong in it. Nizams were corrupt , exploitative. Anyway, this is what we can expect from pakistan news.

Such irrational rants, It is so easy to stereotype and create rhetoric.
 

Imranpak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Report claims Indian army killed thousands of Muslims one year after partition

Many people died during that period. Hindu's and Sikh's have also suffered at the hands of Muslim Moghul's and other conquerors. Nizam's did not want to be part of Pakistan anyway which is why I don't care about Deccan Hyderabad or Bharati Muslim's for that matter. Our brothers are the Pakistanis irrespective of faith. I will also tell you that in any Indo-Pak war Bharati Muslims are with the enemy where as our minorities love Pakistan with all their heart. Stop worrying about Bharati Muslim's instead focus on Pakistan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7F6rV-WksU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B58_0MjFk0Y
 
Re: Report claims Indian army killed thousands of Muslims one year after partition

Many people died during that period. Hindu's and Sikh's have also suffered at the hands of Muslim Moghul's and other conquerors. Nizam's did not want to be part of Pakistan anyway which is why I don't care about Deccan Hyderabad or Bharati Muslim's for that matter. Our brothers are the Pakistanis irrespective of faith. I will also tell you that in any Indo-Pak war Bharati Muslims are with the enemy where as our minorities love Pakistan with all their heart. Stop worrying about Bharati Muslim's instead focus on Pakistan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7F6rV-WksU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B58_0MjFk0Y

This kind of news is very detrimental for pakistanis and their future. I have noticed news stereotyping hindu, muslims, sikhs directly in main stream media of pakistan.
Many channels equate hindus as baniya and have centuries old stereotypes. In 21st century, let you be any religious country; putting blame on a nation with such rants wont hurt India; but it will surely disturb the psyche of pakistanis.
The other major problems facing pakistan is addiction to past. Its good to live in present and stop taking credit for entire muslim history.
Back to topic: Nizams were the worst rulers of all time. They plundered state resources. Last nizam made 200 children. Their loot into UK banks were in excess of 10 million $ in 1948. I am all for the treatment given to such corrupt alcoholic rulers
 
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Imranpak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Report claims Indian army killed thousands of Muslims one year after partition

This kind of news is very detrimental for pakistanis and their future. I have noticed news stereotyping hindu, muslims, sikhs directly in main stream media of pakistan.
Many channels equate hindus as baniya and have centuries old stereotypes. In 21st century, let you be any religious country; putting blame on a nation with such rants wont hurt India; but it will surely disturb the psyche of pakistanis.
The other major problems facing pakistan is addiction to past. Its good to live in present and stop taking credit for entire muslim history.
Nizams were the worst rulers of all time. They plundered state resources. Last nizam made 200 children.

Well if you Bharatis like to tell the world how patriotic your minorities are then we can play the same game. I equally have noticed how you bring selected people to speak for minorities on your chat shows instead of looking at the real picture. It's well established that your media is an extension of your governments anti-Pak policy where as ours is much more well balanced, impartial and mature in it's approach. Your media blindly blames everything on Pakistan without any evidence, still remember the terrorists sitting in Lahore that were about to attack Mumbai:lol:

Actually it's you people who won't let the past rest, you have just proved this with your continued drivel even obsession of the Nizams and what they did to you 300 years back!! Bharat's problem is it's obsession with Pakistan and silly dreams of an Akhand Bharat, you can not harm us either by the way as the nukes are a great equaliser however the state of your minorities is for the world to see.

It's impossible for any man to father 200 kids so I suggest you check your facts!! What is a fact is how Gandhi lusted after his niece and also drank his own urine:lol: The recent activities of Asaram Bapu and rapes have again exposed which community is the filthiest in the subcontinent:lol:
 
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albany

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Report claims Indian army killed thousands of Muslims one year after partition

This kind of news is very detrimental for pakistanis and their future. I have noticed news stereotyping hindu, muslims, sikhs directly in main stream media of pakistan.
Many channels equate hindus as baniya and have centuries old stereotypes. In 21st century, let you be any religious country; putting blame on a nation with such rants wont hurt India; but it will surely disturb the psyche of pakistanis.
The other major problems facing pakistan is addiction to past. Its good to live in present and stop taking credit for entire muslim history.
Back to topic: Nizams were the worst rulers of all time. They plundered state resources. Last nizam made 200 children. Their loot into UK banks were in excess of 10 million $ in 1948. I am all for the treatment given to such corrupt alcoholic rulers
for your information hyderabad deccan was the richest state in subcontinent.
 
Re: Report claims Indian army killed thousands of Muslims one year after partition

Well if you Bharatis like to tell the world how patriotic your minorities then we can play the same game. I equally have noticed how you bring selected people to speak for minorities on your chat shows instead of looking at the real picture. It's well established that your media is an extension of your governments anti-Pak policy where as ours is much more well balanced, impartial and mature in it's approach. Your media blindly blames everything on Pakistan without any evidence, still remember the terrorists sitting in Lahore that were about to attack Mumbai:lol:

Actually it's you people who won't let the past rest, you have just proved this by your continued drivel even obsession of the Nizams and what they did to you!! Bharat's problem is it's obsession with Pakistan and silly dreams of an Akhand Bharat, you can not harm us either by the way as the nukes are a great equaliser however the state of your minorities is for the world to see.

It's impossible for any man to father 200 kids so I suggest you check your facts!! What is a fact is how Gandhi lusted after his niece and also drank his own urine:lol: The recent activities of Asaram Bapu and rapes have again exposed which community is the filthiest in the subcontinent:lol:

You call it impartial. Ha.Ha. ..Its crap journalism. India is an advanced democracy. Our media is matured but due to lack of accountability in pakistan (with your army, govt, isi all fighting for hegemony; )we have to resort to hysteria. What do you want us to do after we lose 5 soldiers; Should we just forget it? The killers were indeed pakistani regular army men. Is it a brave act to kill someone from behind?
The lashkars and other hardliners killed 90 of your christians brothers; can you even get sipaha salawa, lashkar janghwi and hafeez saeed behind the jail ??

I am not here to comment on anyone personal life but nizam had 28 sons and 44 daughters legally(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nizam_of_Hyderabad) .
I am not accounting the illegitimate children from harem women. These guys deserved nothing worse than hell.
Asaram bapu or anywhere are in the custody. In pakistan, one can file a cast against such evil person; after he is proved to impregnates 200 women!!
 

A.G.Uddin

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Report claims Indian army killed thousands of Muslims one year after partition

My own grandparents (both maternal and paternal) were from the state of Hyderabad (Deccan) and witnessed the final days of Nizamate. Later on they would migrate to Pakistan even though we still have many relatives who live over there. Apart from Indian Army, RSS and Arya Samaj had also played a role in riots. Anyways, Deccan was ruled by Muslims for over 5 centuries but still the majority of subjects were always Hindus. Nizam had some bad characteristics but he helped Pakistan financially in initial years since he was a friend of Quaid. Apart from that Nizams of Hyderabad would also aid Aligarh Muslim University, Suez Canal, construction of Masjid ul Haram, the shrine of Ajmer Sharif and even Hindu University of Banaras. He was the richest man on the planet at one point and distributed wealth in different projects worldwide. Yes, Nizams did stab Tipu Sultan in the back but Mir Osman Ali Khan was a unique exception.
 
Re: Report claims Indian army killed thousands of Muslims one year after partition

for your information hyderabad deccan was the richest state in subcontinent.

Yest the gold, diamond from 10000 of temples(Andhra has max golden temples); and taxes from the poor people can surely make it rich.

Did he do any good for the state. His states have one of the poorest people after independence.

The news talk about dead people in the battle. Wikipedia has already cited it years ago.
Hyderabad State Forces:490 killed
122 wounded
1,647 POWs[SUP][2][/SUP]
Razakars:
1,373 killed, 1,911 captured[SUP][2][/SUP]
 

Imranpak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Report claims Indian army killed thousands of Muslims one year after partition

You call it impartial. Ha.Ha. ..Its crap journalism. India is an advanced democracy. Our media is matured but due to lack of accountability in pakistan (with your army, govt, isi all fighting for hegemony; )we have to resort to hysteria. What do you want us to do after we lose 5 soldiers; Should we just forget it? The killers were indeed pakistani regular army men. Is it a brave act to kill someone from behind?
The lashkars and other hardliners killed 90 of your christians brothers; can you even get sipaha salawa, lashkar janghwi and hafeez saeed behind the jail ??

I am not here to comment on anyone personal life but nizam had 28 sons and 44 daughters legally(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nizam_of_Hyderabad) .
I am not accounting the illegitimate children from harem women. These guys deserved nothing worse than hell.
Asaram bapu or anywhere are in the custody. In pakistan, one can file a cast against such evil person; after he is proved to impregnates 200 women!!

Democracy your ***:lol: Where insurgency and rape are everywhere and some 30% under extreme poverty! Your media is immature with a childlike attitude that everyone is out to get us! Well your media saying that Pak killed 5 soldiers can not be taken as evidence unless you accept our view of your involvement in Balochistan.

Until your take action against your people responsible for killing Pakistanis we will do the same, you better believe it! Who says that the Lashkar were responsible for killing Christians when according to most Pak sources it was orchestrated by RAW! So we are supposed to believe everything your media says but not the other way round ehh??

I will tell you that we are going to hit back hard every time you kill our people. It's scientifically impossible for any man to impregnate 200 women but what is a fact is the sati tradition in rural India where women are burnt alive. Everyone knows that Bharat is the rape capital of the world so no point in denying it! Stop crying, you kill our people through sponsoring terrorism through Afghanistan and we will do the same. Take action against the perpetrators of the Samjhauta Express...tell the world who killed Hemant Karkare who was about to expose something very big. Stop the Bajrang Dal and all such terrorist Hindu forces if you really want peace.
 
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Democracy your ***:lol: Where insurgency and rape are everywhere and some 30% under extreme poverty! Your media is immature with a childlike attitude that everyone is out to get us! Well your media saying that Pak killed 5 soldiers can not be taken as evidence unless you accept our view of your involvement in Balochistan.

Until your take action against your people responsible for killing Pakistanis we will do the same, you better believe it! Who says that the Lashkar were responsible for killing Christians when according to most Pak sources it was orchestrated by RAW! So we are supposed to believe everything your media says but not the other way round ehh??

I will tell you that we are going to hit back hard every time you kill our people. It's scientifically impossible for any man to impregnate 200 women but what is a fact is the sati tradition in rural India where women are burnt alive. Everyone knows that Bharat is the rape capital of the world so no point in denying it! Stop crying, you kill our people through sponsoring terrorism through Afghanistan and we will do the same. Take action against the perpetrators of the Samjhauta Express...tell the world who killed Hemant Karkare who was about to expose something very big. Stop the Bajrang Dal and all such terrorist Hindu forces if you really want peace.

Nothing much concrete from you. USA has max number of rapes. Poor sometimes become better off. Time will come! India will evolve with
better education, more awareness and socioeconomic indicators will improve.

I reckon: ISI and RAW have some truce, and they are kind of not interfering in each other country. You might not know it but the peace process have evolved way forward.

The problem facing pakistan is very confusing. The home grown stuffs(let,lej,sipaha salawa), discussion with taliban, too many stakes (isi, different party, govt) all fight for power.

But I still accept the Zaid hamid version :P
 
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Imranpak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Report claims Indian army killed thousands of Muslims one year after partition

Nothing much concrete from you. USA has max number of rapes. Poor sometimes become better off. Time will come! India will evolve with
better education, more awareness and socioeconomic indicators will improve.

I reckon: ISI and RAW have some truce, and they are kind of not interfering in each other country. You might not know it but the peace process have evolved way forward.

The problem facing pakistan is very confusing. The home grown stuffs(let,lej,sipaha salawa), discussion with taliban, too many stakes (isi, different party, govt) all fight for power.

But I still accept the Zaid hamid version :P

Bottom line is that the you people are panicking of the sheer unpredictability that comes with the American's even partially leaving Afghanistan next year. There is no truce and never will be any between RAW and ISI!. The so-called peace process is not supported by most Pakistanis in it's current form but those who have no understanding of the changing dynamics in the region.

Everyone wants peace but not at the expense of losing their country or being humiliated. Unless you listen to our grievances we to will ignore all of your complaints. Problem facing Pakistan is war Afghanistan that many sources are using to attack us, simple! All was well prior to the US invasion. ISI does exactly what RAW, MOSSAD and MI5 do so either all are terrorists or all are hero's! Zaid makes some great points yet has his short comings as well.
 
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