[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJyRFdVb_ys&feature=channel_page[/video]
Hyder Abbas Rizvi Gives Life-Time Lesson To Siddiq Al-Farooq
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enigma_1357
MPA (400+ posts)
mera khyal hey donoon nein aik doosrey key moun per tamachay marey hein balkeh mar mar key moun laal kar dieyey hein. donoon nein jo bhi batein kie hein aik doosrey key barey mein woh sari sach hein.
hence dono hein chawal hein aur donoo hein kanjar hein.
hence dono hein chawal hein aur donoo hein kanjar hein.
enigma_1357 said:
Yes, but, siddiq Al-Farooq was slapping in air.
Because, he was just waffling. He was not talking with Proofs.
All his conversation was on the basis of assumption.
While on the other hand, Hyder Abbas Rizvi
was mentioning the facts from the history.
enigma_1357
MPA (400+ posts)
kya sach nahi ALTAF ch**tya is playing with ppl of pakistan while sitting in uk. pmlN ppl are also equally ch**tyeye
enigma_1357
MPA (400+ posts)
tell me one thing why altaf hussain is sitting in uk? how can he be loyal to pakistan when he is having uk nationality? leaders nations ko lead kartey hein bahir nahi bethtey hein?
oss key na anein wajah yeh nahi keh govt otha key ossay jail mein dal dey ghee, oss nein zulim hi itnein kieyey howey hein ossay dar agar woh pakistan aya to koi ossay mar dey gha.
oss key na anein wajah yeh nahi keh govt otha key ossay jail mein dal dey ghee, oss nein zulim hi itnein kieyey howey hein ossay dar agar woh pakistan aya to koi ossay mar dey gha.
enigma_1357
MPA (400+ posts)
i have watched it. tum mujhey oss baat ka jawab do jo mein poochi hey. woh wahan beth key ansoo bahata hey aysay laghta hey jaysay iss key seenein key PHORA ho jiss ki itni takleef hoti hey issay. itni hi dukhi hota hey to pakistan jaey. pehley bhi to yaha rehta tha.
enigma_1357
MPA (400+ posts)
i'm also living abroad. aur bohat sarey merey relatives bhi yahan hi hein. woh log jin key pass yahan ki nationalities hein unhein kissi cheez ka pain nahi hota aur do bar zikar kartey hein keh yeh theek nahi ho raha woh theek nahi ho raha. oss key baad bus khatum bus dobara ziker nahi kartey hein balkeh kabhi kabhi to yahan tak keh detey hein agar ho raha hey to phir kya karein. sirf unhein ki tension rehti hey jin key pass nationalities nahi hoti kyoon keh unhein pata hey aik din unhoon nein pakistan hi jana hey aur wahan hi unhein panah milni hey.
doosri baat, mein yahan per dekhta hoon her shakhs apna kaam karta hey. mein aysay logoon ko bhi janta hoon jin key fathers achhay khasay paysay kamatey hein lekin woh khud restaurants per bartan tak saaf kar leytey hein. app key HAZART ALTAF HUSSAIN kya kaam kartey hein. kahan say unhein aish o ishrat key lieyey paysay atay hein.
yakeenan pakistan say log chanda detey hein. un khareeb logoon key barey mein soochoo jo chanda detey hein aur doosri baat yeh key itnein sari foreign currency pakistan say chandey ki soorat uk a jati hey kyoon app key altaf hussain ayshi kar sakein. agar yeh pakistan mein bethein to kharacha bhi kam aey aur foreign currency bhi pakistan say bahir na jaey.
yeh sirf altaf ka masla nahi sab hi kissi kajar key bachay hein. inshalah aik din jiss tarah ka france mein khooni inqalab aya tha oss ka inqalab aey gha.
doosri baat, mein yahan per dekhta hoon her shakhs apna kaam karta hey. mein aysay logoon ko bhi janta hoon jin key fathers achhay khasay paysay kamatey hein lekin woh khud restaurants per bartan tak saaf kar leytey hein. app key HAZART ALTAF HUSSAIN kya kaam kartey hein. kahan say unhein aish o ishrat key lieyey paysay atay hein.
yakeenan pakistan say log chanda detey hein. un khareeb logoon key barey mein soochoo jo chanda detey hein aur doosri baat yeh key itnein sari foreign currency pakistan say chandey ki soorat uk a jati hey kyoon app key altaf hussain ayshi kar sakein. agar yeh pakistan mein bethein to kharacha bhi kam aey aur foreign currency bhi pakistan say bahir na jaey.
yeh sirf altaf ka masla nahi sab hi kissi kajar key bachay hein. inshalah aik din jiss tarah ka france mein khooni inqalab aya tha oss ka inqalab aey gha.
Zaidi Qasim
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
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mqm-basher
Councller (250+ posts)
@ zaidi qasim
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enigma_1357
MPA (400+ posts)
@ zaidi qasim
excellent
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enigma_1357
MPA (400+ posts)
iss tarah ki chawlein to sab hi mar leytey hein. altaf hussain pehley khud kyoon nahi yeh tasleem karta keh woh karachi mein honein wali terrorism key peechay hey. jab koi lgic nahi banta hey to tum log iss tarah key letter likhnein shoro kar detey ho. aur sab say barh kar yeh keh sari dunya janti hey key zardari say choor koi nahi hey. hazrat altaf hussain nein oss kanjar ko president key lieyey nominate kar dia aur phir oss key saath hokamat mein hey. mqm iss waqat govt mein hey yeh kaam khud kyoon nahi start karti aur sab say pehley zardari say paysay kyoon nahi nikalwati
enigma_1357
MPA (400+ posts)
ALTAF hussain ko pata tha keh iss tarah ka banda power ana chahyeye jo corrupt ho kyoon woh doosroon say poochtey howey darey
Zaidi Qasim
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
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enigma_1357 said:
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http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=169835
The rise of the Taliban, the fall of Karachi
In the national interest
Monday, March 30, 2009
Kamal Siddiqi
The writer is editor reporting, The News
Earlier this week, a family friend got off from her car and walked to a chemists shop in a busy shopping area of Karachi. She was wearing a normal shalwar- kameez suit that most Karachi women wear in public areas. Nothing out of the ordinary. As she walked to the shop, a man approached her and showed her a pistol.
But instead of robbing her, he gave her a chilling message: Next time you come in public, cover yourself from head to toe. This happened in full public view on a busy Karachi street. But no one seemed to notice and the man did not in any way seem in any hurry or worry.
The reference of this incident happening to a family friend has only been done to make people understand that this is not an urban myth but a reality. It is happening in Karachi, the countrys largest and possibly most open city. There are more worrisome incidents than one can recall.
Many businessmen have received calls on their cell phones in which the caller does not identify himself but does confirm the name of the person he has called. After a couple of days comes another call. And then another. The businessman is told to contribute a certain amount to the Tehreek-e-Taliban.
One businessman shrugged this off as a hoax. But soon enough there were men who called at his house and made the same demand, only this time they also mentioned that they not only knew where he lived, but where he worked, which schools his children went to, and other details.
The man ended up paying. No one knows who these people are. Some say they are criminals who are using the name of the Taliban. Who knows?
A family in Clifton last month received a notice which was addressed to the father. In it, he was told to ensure that his daughters who were described in the letter in very negative terms should be told to stay home since they were seen to be of loose character. The letter warned the father to take action, otherwise the mosque will have to do something. The crime of these girls apparently was that they were seen too frequently moving around and that too in Western clothes.
The writers of this threatening letter even disclosed their identity. The claimed to be from a prominent mosque, situated in the market area of Clifton. The shaken family did as they were told. Many families have received such letters and in most instances they have complied. No action or questions have been asked of the people at this mosque. The police shrugs this off as nothing important.
Last year, this mosque was identified by the MQM when it made an outcry on the rise in Talibanisation in Karachi. But the Peoples Party government has been denying the rise of extremist forces in Karachi for the year since it has been in power. Some say that the motives of the MQM are suspect. Their agenda is more political. But then again, who is right and who is wrong?
Stories continue to surface of the growing influence of such elements. Women who travel without their heads covered in public transport have been spat upon. In some instances by other women.
The media has helped confuse the people even more. Programmes aired by our leading channels on religious issues sometimes misguide instead of guide. They play on the sentiments of people only to get better ratings. After all, one of the most prominent religious show hosts ended up becoming a minister.
The tragedy, if one may call it that, is that there is a growing number of people in Karachi who welcome the arrival of the purveyors of quick and cheap justice. And are willing to defend, fund and shelter them. They sympathise with the soldiers of their brand of Islam because the government has let them down. And they are frustrated over the growing incidents of crime and lawlessness and have no hope in the government addressing these issues. Both the military junta and the elected peoples representatives are seen more interested in protecting and enriching themselves than providing good governance to the people. This is the public perception.
Two video clips that have been circulating on the Internet only add to peoples fear and plays on their insecurity. One clip, which is perhaps one of the most watched and forwarded clips in Pakistan this week, shows how a man is mugged while he is taking money out of an ATM in Gulshan-e-Iqbal, Karachi.
The clip, which was taken off a security camera of the bank, clearly shows the face of the man, the two men who rob him and the look of frustration and helplessness on the victims face once the deed is done. While there is no violence, except where the robber shows the poor man a gun and then hides it, it leaves one disturbed and it is chilling for anyone who has any care for Pakistan. Is this what we have been reduced to, and where do we go from here?
The other clip, which has not been seen by as many people, is violent and much more chilling. This clip was made from a mobile phone by the accomplice of a man who is currently in police custody. This is now known as the Hajiano case or the White Corolla case. This man robbed people and raped women at will for a year. This clip relates to one incident where a woman is being assaulted.
The clip numbs the brain and makes one bay for blood. After seeing this video, people have said that an exemplary punishment should be given to the perpetrator. One hopes this is done, but there are many who have expressed fears that the case will soon be forgotten. The womens rights organisations which had earlier come out on the streets now seem to have been lulled into silence. Let us hope for justice. There are some who say that this matter would have been settled had the Taliban been in charge.
These are worrisome sentiments. In his speech this week, President Obama has committed more money to Pakistan to crush Al-Qaeda. He said in his speech that the Al-Qaeda and its extremist allies (like the Taliban) are a cancer that risks killing Pakistan from within. The problem is that many Pakistanis do not see it like that anymore.
To defeat extremist elements, the US and Pakistan have to do more than pump in more military and economic assistance which never reaches the common man. There is a larger battle, for the hearts and minds of the people of Pakistan, which needs to be fought. This is not being done.
We do not want any more VOA-TV type propaganda that, in its condescending way creates more enemies then friends. We want a proper dialogue with the US and the West over what its goals are and whether these are our goals as well. Whether we like it or not, the battle for a safer America cannot be won if the people of Pakistan are not convinced. This is the stark reality, no matter how many drone attacks are carried out on the one hand and assistance is given to our government on the other.
It was true of the Musharraf government and is becoming increasingly true of the Zardari government too. The people of Pakistan are not seen as stakeholders in the battle against militants and extremism. It is too often said that while the West talks to our leaders, Al Qaeda and the Taliban talk to the people. Sadly, this is an issue President Obama has not addressed.
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There should be no personal vendetta. Everyone should be included, not just Zardari.
