Caught on camera: Pak ship Babur brushed Indian ship Godavari?

ASQR1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/caught-on-camera-pns-babur-brushed-ins-godavari/172809-3.html


New Delhi: A video purportedly showing PNS Babur brushing against INS Godavari in the Gulf of Aden has surfaced on the Internet. The 'brush' happened during the hostage rescue of hostages on board the merchant vessel MV Suez in June.
The video could reignite the India-Pakistan diplomatic tussle.
The video apparently shot by a sailor on board PNS Babur has a clip of the Pakistani ship brushing against INS Godavari in high sea amidst anti-Indian slogans.
PNS Babur closed in on INS Godavari at high speed from Astern and carried out a manoeuvre in gross violation of relevant regulations on navigational safety.
In the process it touched Godavari, marginally damaging the extended safety net on the helicopter deck.
Meanwhile, the Defence Minister on Monday while informing Parliament on the stand-off between the two navies, had said that a protest was lodged with the Pakistan government through the High Commission against the violation of relevant regulations of navigational safety by the Pakistani naval ship.
"While carrying out anti-piracy patrol, INS Godavari on coming close to MV Suez, which had earlier been hijacked, tried to establish communication to ascertain safety of crew," the Defence Minister had said.
"But PNS Babur closed INS Godavari at high speed from astern and carried out a manoeuvre in gross violation of relevant regulations on navigational safety and in the process touched Godavari, marginally damaging the extended safety net on the helicopter deck," Antony said.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RNkUf1PezM&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64eEQv6L8R8&playnext=1&list=PLD2B71230ECABAF5F



What a matured navy ?what is the selection criteria for joining pakistan navy :Pmadarsa education :) !!why could not they give good fight against taliban attackers on their strongest base in karachi. analysing the video proves that indian ship was at ease far from pns but pakistan naval shippers were under control of marijuana ;drugged !!Alas they cant find sensibly in real war ..e.g. 1971 or kargil....

there is more to it than u r trying to portray man, Pakistan navy was in negotiations for prisoners and Indian navy had no ransom money no tactics but was trying to interfere in the serious discussions for release of prisoners. Old Indian trick interfere, interfere, interfere, this trick will not work any more, Pakistani navy is ready this time, try coming near Karachi and you will see, no more interfering and sneaking around. Indian Navy or all Indian Army need to learn some honorable tactics and not sneaky and interfering methods.

So Indians learn to behave in sees and in ground, strop interfering in Baluchistan and in high seas
 

KhanHaripur

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Iss baar Endian navy samundar main thi warna ship ko wahin choor k bhagna tha.:lol::lol::lol:
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/caught-on-camera-pns-babur-brushed-ins-godavari/172809-3.html


New Delhi: A video purportedly showing PNS Babur brushing against INS Godavari in the Gulf of Aden has surfaced on the Internet. The 'brush' happened during the hostage rescue of hostages on board the merchant vessel MV Suez in June.
The video could reignite the India-Pakistan diplomatic tussle.
The video apparently shot by a sailor on board PNS Babur has a clip of the Pakistani ship brushing against INS Godavari in high sea amidst anti-Indian slogans.
PNS Babur closed in on INS Godavari at high speed from Astern and carried out a manoeuvre in gross violation of relevant regulations on navigational safety.
In the process it touched Godavari, marginally damaging the extended safety net on the helicopter deck.
Meanwhile, the Defence Minister on Monday while informing Parliament on the stand-off between the two navies, had said that a protest was lodged with the Pakistan government through the High Commission against the violation of relevant regulations of navigational safety by the Pakistani naval ship.
"While carrying out anti-piracy patrol, INS Godavari on coming close to MV Suez, which had earlier been hijacked, tried to establish communication to ascertain safety of crew," the Defence Minister had said.
"But PNS Babur closed INS Godavari at high speed from astern and carried out a manoeuvre in gross violation of relevant regulations on navigational safety and in the process touched Godavari, marginally damaging the extended safety net on the helicopter deck," Antony said.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RNkUf1PezM&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64eEQv6L8R8&playnext=1&list=PLD2B71230ECABAF5F



What a matured navy ?what is the selection criteria for joining pakistan navy :Pmadarsa education :) !!why could not they give good fight against taliban attackers on their strongest base in karachi. analysing the video proves that indian ship was at ease far from pns but pakistan naval shippers were under control of marijuana ;drugged !!Alas they cant find sensibly in real war ..e.g. 1971 or kargil....
 

alpha

MPA (400+ posts)
Dil khush ker dia!! watch out shooders we will soon touch you really hard, better is to get used to it now.... we have not forgotten what you all shits are doing in balochistan and what you did in east pakistan.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/caught-on-camera-pns-babur-brushed-ins-godavari/172809-3.html


New Delhi: A video purportedly showing PNS Babur brushing against INS Godavari in the Gulf of Aden has surfaced on the Internet. The 'brush' happened during the hostage rescue of hostages on board the merchant vessel MV Suez in June.
The video could reignite the India-Pakistan diplomatic tussle.
The video apparently shot by a sailor on board PNS Babur has a clip of the Pakistani ship brushing against INS Godavari in high sea amidst anti-Indian slogans.
PNS Babur closed in on INS Godavari at high speed from Astern and carried out a manoeuvre in gross violation of relevant regulations on navigational safety.
In the process it touched Godavari, marginally damaging the extended safety net on the helicopter deck.
Meanwhile, the Defence Minister on Monday while informing Parliament on the stand-off between the two navies, had said that a protest was lodged with the Pakistan government through the High Commission against the violation of relevant regulations of navigational safety by the Pakistani naval ship.
"While carrying out anti-piracy patrol, INS Godavari on coming close to MV Suez, which had earlier been hijacked, tried to establish communication to ascertain safety of crew," the Defence Minister had said.
"But PNS Babur closed INS Godavari at high speed from astern and carried out a manoeuvre in gross violation of relevant regulations on navigational safety and in the process touched Godavari, marginally damaging the extended safety net on the helicopter deck," Antony said.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RNkUf1PezM&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64eEQv6L8R8&playnext=1&list=PLD2B71230ECABAF5F



What a matured navy ?what is the selection criteria for joining pakistan navy :Pmadarsa education :) !!why could not they give good fight against taliban attackers on their strongest base in karachi. analysing the video proves that indian ship was at ease far from pns but pakistan naval shippers were under control of marijuana ;drugged !!Alas they cant find sensibly in real war ..e.g. 1971 or kargil....
 

QaiserMirza

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
YES, it was the mistake of PNS Babar.
Why it let them go (the dushman ship).
It was a real nice opportunity to give them a good lesson for taking the credit for doing nothing.
Ask those Indian, who were released by Pakistani efforts, what is there feeling for us.
 
YES, it was the mistake of PNS Babar.
Why it let them go (the dushman ship).
It was a real nice opportunity to give them a good lesson for taking the credit for doing nothing.
Ask those Indian, who were released by Pakistani efforts, what is there feeling for us.


PNS godawari is much potent war ship than pns babur...

Go and check it out on jane!!

http://www.janes.com/products/janes/index.aspx


I
ndians are not childish and kiddish;but in matter of war pns babur wont survive for minutes in front of highly advanced guided missile frigate!!


Kabhi kabhi dimag se bi socha karo!!!WE showed you all in 1971 !!and we have blue water navy with aircraft carrier,nuclear submarines and SSBN misisiles which pakistan cant think of having in next 20 years!!

This kind of behavior is only expected from irresponsible country "Pakistan".why could not your navy even save its orion fleet from talibani jihadi working in navy :)

there is more to it than u r trying to portray man, Pakistan navy was in negotiations for prisoners and Indian navy had no ransom money no tactics but was trying to interfere in the serious discussions for release of prisoners. Old Indian trick interfere, interfere, interfere, this trick will not work any more, Pakistani navy is ready this time, try coming near Karachi and you will see, no more interfering and sneaking around. Indian Navy or all Indian Army need to learn some honorable tactics and not sneaky and interfering methods.

So Indians learn to behave in sees and in ground, strop interfering in Baluchistan and in high seas

When did indian navy interfere?Indian navy ship was already in gulf of eden !!it went to the rescue on the call of the ships.

and once it found a pakistani ship,it was at least 1000 meter away from the ship(which is visible from video)
you should remember that your ship cant dare to enter indian ocean in event of conflict...you think,you can even take out your ships in arabian sea :P!!Indian navy have the biggest operation against piracy in indian ocean!!it doesnt negotiate with somalia pirates!!

If india starts interfering in balochistan,do you think it will remain part of pakistan :P

If its true we better admit our fault but i will request indian govt that they should release all those pakistanis who were saved by indian navy from somali pirates in an operation but they kept them in jail inside india from 1 year thats news i saw myself on ARY that indian navy did an operation & there were several nationals on board of hijacked ship but indian govt didnt release pakistanis yet.


http://www.rediff.com/news/report/diplomat-visits-pak-sailors-rescued-by-indian-navy/20110624.htm

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our diplomats are not evn ready to certify them.remember that paying pirates for hostage is different from attacking pirates and rescuing people...
in latter case,some of pirates also become hostages to be free

i guess i wanted to use verbosity and eloquently answer you in a manner where you have to open oxford dictionary's latest volume but thn i realized that why would i even bother the tiniest micro cell of my brain....so in a layman lingo...(which i guess not only you deserve but also sounds good)..!

saalay phattuu....apnay logon ko kia bacha naee sakay...jub K****Y wali huwe...to humaray he forum par aa kar humain he yeh vdo dikha rahay ho ..unprofessaionalism k naam par...itna GOO thaa to gooodavri aagay aagay kyun bhaag raha thaa...rukta na...phattu qaum ki phattu navy....baghair atomic submarine k he tum logon ko aagay lagaya huwa hay hum nay....!


last but nt the least to show how intellectual and intelligent you are..

tiwari said,,,we should bomb those somalian pirates and rescue.......

abay dhakkan...how would you bomb a vessel and then take out your ppl alive....are they bomb proof...waisay bhee yeh bomb shomb ka kaam humray liye he rehnay do....humaray chotay motay kassab he kaafi hein is kaam k liye...aap mein itna paani hota to koi aik do patakhay phaar chukay hotay ab tak..!

chal ab nikal...you are least welcome here...especially if spreading hatred and lie...!

YEHH CHEEEZ

India navy have nuclear submarines and aircraft carrier which your navy cant dream in next 20 years!!
ofcourse you cant rescue without bombing the mother pirated ship;and forcing them to surrender!!This is how all navy handle with pirates in rescue operation!!

see yesterday news of indian navy commandoes rescuing irani ship captured by pirates!!

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/194059.html
The Indian Navy has rescued the crew of an Iranian-flagged cargo ship from pirates after foiling an attack on the merchant vessel on the west coast of India.


Twenty-four marines from the Indian Navy's elite Marine Commandos (MARCOS) unit backed by two helicopters carried out an operation on Monday to free the Iranian-flagged vessel MV Nafis-1 approximately 170 nautical miles west of Mumbai, NDTV reported.

Rampant piracy off the Indian Ocean coast of Somalia has made the area one the most dangerous in terms of pirate activities.

The Gulf of Aden, which links the Indian Ocean with the Suez Canal and the Mediterranean Sea, is the quickest route for more than 20,000 vessels traveling annually between Asia, Europe and the Americas.

However, attacks by heavily-armed Somali pirates on speedboats have prompted some of the world's largest shipping firms to switch routes from the Suez Canal and reroute cargo vessels around southern Africa, leading to climbing shipping costs.

Somalia has been in strife since 1991, when warlords overthrew the country's former dictator Mohamed Siad Barre. Strategically located in the Horn of Africa, it has been embroiled in a bitter civil war for years.

The lawless state has been without a functioning government and the authority of the so-called Transitional Federal Government is limited mostly to the area around the capital city, Mogadishu.
 
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Wadaich

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
i guess i wanted to use verbosity and eloquently answer you in a manner where you have to open oxford dictionary's latest volume but thn i realized that why would i even bother the tiniest micro cell of my brain....so in a layman lingo...(which i guess not only you deserve but also sounds good)..!

saalay phattuu....apnay logon ko kia bacha naee sakay...jub K****Y wali huwe...to humaray he forum par aa kar humain he yeh vdo dikha rahay ho ..unprofessaionalism k naam par...itna GOO thaa to gooodavri aagay aagay kyun bhaag raha thaa...rukta na...phattu qaum ki phattu navy....baghair atomic submarine k he tum logon ko aagay lagaya huwa hay hum nay....!


last but nt the least to show how intellectual and intelligent you are..

tiwari said,,,we should bomb those somalian pirates and rescue.......

abay dhakkan...how would you bomb a vessel and then take out your ppl alive....are they bomb proof...waisay bhee yeh bomb shomb ka kaam humray liye he rehnay do....humaray chotay motay kassab he kaafi hein is kaam k liye...aap mein itna paani hota to koi aik do patakhay phaar chukay hotay ab tak..!

chal ab nikal...you are least welcome here...especially if spreading hatred and lie...!

YEHH CHEEEZ
Thora peechay karo bechary baniyaee ka saans band ho gaya to pooray world kay media ki shalwar mein choha dor jayaee ga.:lol:
 

QaiserMirza

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Kabhi kabhi dimag se bi socha karo!!!WE showed you all in 1971 !!and we have blue water navy with aircraft carrier,nuclear submarines and SSBN misisiles which pakistan cant think of having in next 20 years!!
ہمارا الله ہمارے ساتھ ہے
تمھارے ساتھ کتنے بھگوان ہیں

مومن ہے تو بے تیغ بھی لڑتا ہے سپاہی
کافر ہے تو شمشیر پہ کرتا ہے بھروسہ


 
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ارا الله ہمارے ساتھ ہے
تمھارے ساتھ کتنے بھگوان ہیں

مومن ہے تو بے تیغ بھی لڑتا ہے سپاہی
کافر ہے تو شمشیر پہ کرتا ہے بھروسہ

our god is also with us ..you are still stuck in superiority of your religion.I know its the biggest disease in muslim world which is the main reason of your advanced development in every field !!

you along with other 1.5 billions seem to subscribe to such mentality without thinking that humans(no jadoogar) made religion.some of religions are merely a belief ,world order which wants to impose its laws on world!!



watch this video and enjoy ...............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHpd2T7mi5c
 

ASQR1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
our god is also with us ..you are still stuck in superiority of your religion.I know its the biggest disease in muslim world which is the main reason of your advanced development in every field !!

watch this video and enjoy ...............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHpd2T7mi5c


You as usually come to insult individuals , shameful, but you do it all the times,. that is Indian style, you sir have no class.

About boasting of Air craft carrier and other, man o man if i start from Baber to Ghazni to all Muslims who won wars from Indian in the history, they were all less in manpower but had what it takes to be a warrior, not Machines but courage, so go blow you own horn somewhere else.

You need to learn some manners, some respect and most of all some class to be fit to say things on this forum, so go learn those before you blabber again. Other wise you are going to burn when you die. a hellish way to go.
 
You as usually come to insult individuals , shameful, but you do it all the times,. that is Indian style, you sir have no class.

About boasting of Air craft carrier and other, man o man if i start from Baber to Ghazni to all Muslims who won wars from Indian in the history, they were all less in manpower but had what it takes to be a warrior, not Machines but courage, so go blow you own horn somewhere else.

You need to learn some manners, some respect and most of all some class to be fit to say things on this forum, so go learn those before you blabber again. Other wise you are going to burn when you die. a hellish way to go.


India was not united nation since 9-10 century ..it was ruled by 1000 rulers ..but at its zenith,under ashoka and maurya empire ;india ruled whole afganistan,part of iran,entire subcontinent,nepal,bhutan.....

so stop living in past..they were kingdoms !!today we live in nation state..its 4th largest defense with blue water navy comprising of nuclear submarines and air craft carriers... i dont want to lecture on ind0 pakistan wars !!
!!Live in reality!! i said it all correct :religious web have taken away your reasoning skills !!stop taking credit of invaders,attackers !!
 

haqiqath

Senator (1k+ posts)
GARRY AND MOHIT INDIAN UNCLES YOU BOTH SUCK WITH LOT SCRAP YOUR JEALOUSY IS ENOUGH TO SHOW YOUR REALITY .

AN INDIAN women in London, Telling 2 english doctor about her baby's illnes. . . Doctor My baby is ill 1week da, Na eat da na sleep da, Bus weep da e weep da(cry)
 

ASQR1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
India was not united nation since 9-10 century ..it was ruled by 1000 rulers ..but at its zenith,under ashoka and maurya empire ;india ruled whole afganistan,part of iran,entire subcontinent,nepal,bhutan.....

so stop living in past..they were kingdoms !!today we live in nation state..its 4th largest defense with blue water navy comprising of nuclear submarines and air craft carriers... i dont want to lecture on ind0 pakistan wars !!
!!Live in reality!! i said it all correct :religious web have taken away your reasoning skills !!stop taking credit of invaders,attackers !!

How silly u talk about invadors and your history started from Mughals, but you so convenienttly forget about you invading India, the so called ARYANS.

So all your arguments are silly to say the least. So the first thing you need to do is learn History correctly. You invadors.
 
How silly u talk about invadors and your history started from Mughals, but you so convenienttly forget about you invading India, the so called ARYANS.

So all your arguments are silly to say the least. So the first thing you need to do is learn History correctly. You invadors.


Evolution of human have taken place by migration .Even home sapiens descended from africa to central asia,india !!

by the way i am talking about invaders who didnt come to mix with local inhabitants peacefully;they only looted ,plundered the wealth;destroyed thousands of temples;burnt buddhistm temples,monastry and university like nalanda univeristy,taxila university!!


Nalanda was ransacked and destroyed by Turkic Muslim invaders underBakhtiyar Khalji in 1193.


To you they might be islamic messiah but in reality ;they were invaders,terrorists ;alas our history hides the evil work of those invaders ,kings and their oppressive regime in order to paint sickular filth !!

To add to your knowledge :Aryan invasion theory is a hoax.its falsified by historians!!


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO8-JCK45tc" target="_blank">
 
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ASQR1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
than who are these people who claim to be real Aryans. watch this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URqN0Iu64D4&feature=related

Read this and be emlightend, to me looks that the video you produced in deprived of truth, read the real facts of Aryan race.

The original 19th-century and early 20th-century use of the term Aryan referred to "the early speakers of Proto-Indo European and their descendents".[SUP][11][/SUP][SUP][12][/SUP] Max Mller is often identified as the first writer to speak of an Aryan "race" in English. In his Lectures on the Science of Languagein 1861[SUP][13][/SUP] he referred to Aryans as a "race of people". At the time, the term race had the meaning of "a group of tribes or peoples, an ethnic group".[SUP][14][/SUP]
When Mller's statement was interpreted to imply a biologically distinct sub-group of humanity, he soon clarified that he simply meant a line of descent, insisting that it was very dangerous to mix linguistics and anthropology. "The Science of Language and the Science of Man cannot be kept too much asunder ... I must repeat what I have said many times before, it would be wrong to speak of Aryan blood as of dolichocephalic grammar".[SUP][15][/SUP] He restated his opposition to this method in 1888 in his essay Biographies of words and the home of the Aryas.[SUP][13][/SUP]

Arthur de Gobineau, one of the key formulators of the theory of the "Aryan race"​

Mller was responding to the development of racial anthropology, and the influence of the work of Arthur de Gobineau who argued that the Indo-Europeans represented a superior branch of humanity. A number of later writers, such as the French anthropologist Vacher de Lapouge in his book L'Aryen, argued that this superior branch could be identified biologically by using the cephalic index (a measure of head shape) and other indicators. He argued that the long-headed "dolichocephalic-blond" Europeans, characteristically found in northern Europe, were natural leaders, destined to rule over more "brachiocephalic" (short headed) peoples.[SUP][16][/SUP]
The division of the Caucasian race into Aryans, Semites and Hamites is in origin linguistic, not based on physical anthropology, the division in physical anthropology being that into Nordic, Alpine andMediterranean. However, the linguistic classification of "Aryan" later became closely associated, and conflated, with the classification of "Nordic" among some archaeologists and anthropologists.
This claim became increasingly important during the 19th century. In the mid-19th century, it was commonly believed that the Aryans originated in the southwestern steppes of present-day Russia. However, by the late 19th century the steppe theory of Aryan origins was challenged by the view that the Aryans originated in ancient Germany or Scandinavia, or at least that in those countries the original Aryan ethnicity had been preserved. The German origin of the Aryans was especially promoted by the archaeologist Gustaf Kossinna, who claimed that the Proto-Indo-European peoples were identical to theCorded Ware culture of Neolithic Germany. This idea was widely circulated in both intellectual and popular culture by the early twentieth century,[SUP][17][/SUP] and is reflected in the concept of "Corded-Nordics" in Carleton S. Coon's 1939 The Races of Europe.
Other anthropologists contested such claims. In Germany, Rudolf Virchow launched a study of craniometry, which prompted him to denounce "Nordic mysticism" in the 1885 Anthropology Congress in Karlsruhe, while Josef Kollmann, a collaborator of Virchow, stated in the same congress that the people of Europe, be they English, German, French, and Spaniard belonged to a "mixture of various races," furthermore declaring that the "results of craniology...[are] against any theory concerning the superiority of this or that European race" to others.[SUP][13][/SUP]
Virchow's contribution to the debate sparked a controversy. Houston Stewart Chamberlain, a strong supporter of the theory of a superior Aryan race, attacked Josef Kollmann arguments in detail. While the "Aryan race" theory remained popular, particularly in Germany, some authors defended Virchow's perspective, in particular Otto Schrader, Rudolph von Jhering and the ethnologist Robert Hartmann (1831–1893), who proposed to ban the notion of "Aryan" from anthropology.[SUP][13][/SUP]
[h=2]Indo-Aryan migration[/h]Main article: Indo-Aryan migration
See also: Out of India theory
Models of the Indo-Aryan migration discuss scenarios of prehistoric migrations of the early Indo-Aryans to their historically attested areas of settlement in the northwest of the Indian subcontinent and from there further across all of North India. Claims of Indo-Aryan migration are primarily drawn from linguistic[SUP][18][/SUP] evidence but also from a multitude of data stemming from genetics,[SUP][19][/SUP](although more recent genetic studies cast doubt on the certitude of earlier claims),[SUP][20][/SUP] Vedic religion, rituals, poetics as well as some aspects of social organization and chariot technology.
All discussion of historical Indo-Aryan migrations or Aryan and Dravidian races remains highly controversial in India to this day, and continues to affect political and religious debate. Some Dravidians, and supporters of the Dalit movement, most commonly Tamils, claim that the worship of Shiva is a distinct Dravidian religion going back to the Indus Civilization,[SUP][21][/SUP] to be distinguished fromBrahminical "Aryan" Hinduism. In contrast, the Indian nationalist Hindutva movement argues that no Aryan invasion or migration ever occurred, asserting that Vedic beliefs emerged from the Indus Valley Civilisation,[SUP][22][/SUP] which pre-dated the supposed advent of the Indo-Aryans in India, and is identified as a likely candidate for a Proto-Dravidian culture.
Some Indians were also influenced by the debate about the Aryan race during the British Raj. The Indian nationalist V. D. Savarkar believed in the theory that an "Aryan race" migrated to India,[SUP][23][/SUP] but he didn't find much value in a racialized interpretation of the "Aryan race".[SUP][24][/SUP] Some Indian nationalists supported the British version of the theory because it gave them the prestige of common descent with the ruling British class.[SUP][25][/SUP]
[h=3]Genetic studies[/h]A genetic study in the year 2000 in Andhra Pradesh state of India found that the upper caste Hindus were closer relatives to Eastern-Europeans than to Hindus from lower castes.[SUP][26][/SUP]
A 2003 report stratifies the population of the Indian subcontinent according to the traditional Aryan-Dravidian divide, finding a relatively closer affinity to Western Eurasians than to southern South
 
than who are these people who claim to be real Aryans. watch this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URqN0Iu64D4&feature=related

Read this and be emlightend, to me looks that the video you produced in deprived of truth, read the real facts of Aryan race.

The original 19th-century and early 20th-century use of the term Aryan referred to "the early speakers of Proto-Indo European and their descendents".[SUP][11][/SUP][SUP][12][/SUP] Max Mller is often identified as the first writer to speak of an Aryan "race" in English. In his Lectures on the Science of Languagein 1861[SUP][13][/SUP] he referred to Aryans as a "race of people". At the time, the term race had the meaning of "a group of tribes or peoples, an ethnic group".[SUP][14][/SUP]
When Mller's statement was interpreted to imply a biologically distinct sub-group of humanity, he soon clarified that he simply meant a line of descent, insisting that it was very dangerous to mix linguistics and anthropology. "The Science of Language and the Science of Man cannot be kept too much asunder ... I must repeat what I have said many times before, it would be wrong to speak of Aryan blood as of dolichocephalic grammar".[SUP][15][/SUP] He restated his opposition to this method in 1888 in his essay Biographies of words and the home of the Aryas.[SUP][13][/SUP]

Arthur de Gobineau, one of the key formulators of the theory of the "Aryan race"​



Mller was responding to the development of racial anthropology, and the influence of the work of Arthur de Gobineau who argued that the Indo-Europeans represented a superior branch of humanity. A number of later writers, such as the French anthropologist Vacher de Lapouge in his book L'Aryen, argued that this superior branch could be identified biologically by using the cephalic index (a measure of head shape) and other indicators. He argued that the long-headed "dolichocephalic-blond" Europeans, characteristically found in northern Europe, were natural leaders, destined to rule over more "brachiocephalic" (short headed) peoples.[SUP][16][/SUP]
The division of the Caucasian race into Aryans, Semites and Hamites is in origin linguistic, not based on physical anthropology, the division in physical anthropology being that into Nordic, Alpine andMediterranean. However, the linguistic classification of "Aryan" later became closely associated, and conflated, with the classification of "Nordic" among some archaeologists and anthropologists.
This claim became increasingly important during the 19th century. In the mid-19th century, it was commonly believed that the Aryans originated in the southwestern steppes of present-day Russia. However, by the late 19th century the steppe theory of Aryan origins was challenged by the view that the Aryans originated in ancient Germany or Scandinavia, or at least that in those countries the original Aryan ethnicity had been preserved. The German origin of the Aryans was especially promoted by the archaeologist Gustaf Kossinna, who claimed that the Proto-Indo-European peoples were identical to theCorded Ware culture of Neolithic Germany. This idea was widely circulated in both intellectual and popular culture by the early twentieth century,[SUP][17][/SUP] and is reflected in the concept of "Corded-Nordics" in Carleton S. Coon's 1939 The Races of Europe.
Other anthropologists contested such claims. In Germany, Rudolf Virchow launched a study of craniometry, which prompted him to denounce "Nordic mysticism" in the 1885 Anthropology Congress in Karlsruhe, while Josef Kollmann, a collaborator of Virchow, stated in the same congress that the people of Europe, be they English, German, French, and Spaniard belonged to a "mixture of various races," furthermore declaring that the "results of craniology...[are] against any theory concerning the superiority of this or that European race" to others.[SUP][13][/SUP]
Virchow's contribution to the debate sparked a controversy. Houston Stewart Chamberlain, a strong supporter of the theory of a superior Aryan race, attacked Josef Kollmann arguments in detail. While the "Aryan race" theory remained popular, particularly in Germany, some authors defended Virchow's perspective, in particular Otto Schrader, Rudolph von Jhering and the ethnologist Robert Hartmann (1831–1893), who proposed to ban the notion of "Aryan" from anthropology.[SUP][13][/SUP]
Indo-Aryan migration

Main article: Indo-Aryan migration
See also: Out of India theory
Models of the Indo-Aryan migration discuss scenarios of prehistoric migrations of the early Indo-Aryans to their historically attested areas of settlement in the northwest of the Indian subcontinent and from there further across all of North India. Claims of Indo-Aryan migration are primarily drawn from linguistic[SUP][18][/SUP] evidence but also from a multitude of data stemming from genetics,[SUP][19][/SUP](although more recent genetic studies cast doubt on the certitude of earlier claims),[SUP][20][/SUP] Vedic religion, rituals, poetics as well as some aspects of social organization and chariot technology.
All discussion of historical Indo-Aryan migrations or Aryan and Dravidian races remains highly controversial in India to this day, and continues to affect political and religious debate. Some Dravidians, and supporters of the Dalit movement, most commonly Tamils, claim that the worship of Shiva is a distinct Dravidian religion going back to the Indus Civilization,[SUP][21][/SUP] to be distinguished fromBrahminical "Aryan" Hinduism. In contrast, the Indian nationalist Hindutva movement argues that no Aryan invasion or migration ever occurred, asserting that Vedic beliefs emerged from the Indus Valley Civilisation,[SUP][22][/SUP] which pre-dated the supposed advent of the Indo-Aryans in India, and is identified as a likely candidate for a Proto-Dravidian culture.
Some Indians were also influenced by the debate about the Aryan race during the British Raj. The Indian nationalist V. D. Savarkar believed in the theory that an "Aryan race" migrated to India,[SUP][23][/SUP] but he didn't find much value in a racialized interpretation of the "Aryan race".[SUP][24][/SUP] Some Indian nationalists supported the British version of the theory because it gave them the prestige of common descent with the ruling British class.[SUP][25][/SUP]
Genetic studies

A genetic study in the year 2000 in Andhra Pradesh state of India found that the upper caste Hindus were closer relatives to Eastern-Europeans than to Hindus from lower castes.[SUP][26][/SUP]
A 2003 report stratifies the population of the Indian subcontinent according to the traditional Aryan-Dravidian divide, finding a relatively closer affinity to Western Eurasians than to southern South


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