Breaking News: Raymond Davis has been freed
This Pak Army is actually ***** army murdering the same civilians from whom they ask for support but when NATO killed 3 armymen suddenly all the routes were closed, they mite be on PAk citizen payroll but there God is US. These rascals are the brother from the same British mother who gave us Jaali pirs cum feudal lords cum warlords.
DG ISI, brother of the butcher of Karachi got his term extended for further one year, all these 3 prostitutes Federal govt.,Army,Provincial govt. involved in this deal, soon wikileaks will show their dirty role in this whole drama.
Saboo
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: Views of Ansar Abbasi and Hamid Mir
While Nawaz in London and Shehbaz leaving a day prior to the verdict, they have left Nisar and Rana to mislead the public.
He is shamelessly blaming the Federal government, where as his provincial government is more respocible for Raymonds release
by, first not charging him for spying but also forcing and facilitating the acceptence of money by the families.
When the federal, provincial, the agencies and the punjabi style prosecution all are helping the american embassy to
release Raymond, who in the world could have stopped him?
Shame, shame and shame
And now poor PTI workers are being beaten up by Nisar's police.
While Nawaz in London and Shehbaz leaving a day prior to the verdict, they have left Nisar and Rana to mislead the public.
He is shamelessly blaming the Federal government, where as his provincial government is more respocible for Raymonds release
by, first not charging him for spying but also forcing and facilitating the acceptence of money by the families.
When the federal, provincial, the agencies and the punjabi style prosecution all are helping the american embassy to
release Raymond, who in the world could have stopped him?
Shame, shame and shame
And now poor PTI workers are being beaten up by Nisar's police.
Salik
Senator (1k+ posts)
مگرمچھ كی بك بك۔۔۔۔ آنسوئوں كے لئے تھوڑی سی غیرت چاہئے ہوتی ہے۔۔۔
Saboo
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Once again Americans have proved that they can F******* Pakistanis and Pakistani Army any time , any where.
AMERICAN ******** USED TO KILL SOVIET SPIES DURING REAGAN ERA , AND WHAT WE DO? WE JUST LET THE SOB FREE?
No my friend, it is the other way around
It is the Pakistanies and their mighty army who proved that they could be fu****, not only by Americans
but just about any body. Show us the money takeh humara mood bun'nay!
mush_dewana
Banned
زرداری کی امریکا کو تمبیہ
اگلی دفع کسی پاکستانی کو مرنے سے پہلے مج سے پوچ لینا ہم نہ فوج امریکا کا کتے نہلانے کا لیا نہیں رکھی
اگلی دفع کسی پاکستانی کو مرنے سے پہلے مج سے پوچ لینا ہم نہ فوج امریکا کا کتے نہلانے کا لیا نہیں رکھی
QaiserMirza
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The Washington Post
A CIA security contractor who fatally shot two Pakistani men in January was released Wednesday after relatives of the victims received blood money as compensation and agreed to pardon him, U.S. officials said.
Raymond Davis was released from a Pakistani jail in Lahore after nearly two months in detention and was flown to meet with U.S. officials in Kabul. Cameron Munter, the U.S. ambassador to Pakistan, accompanied Davis on the flight, a U.S. official said.
There has been a plan in the works for the last three weeks, the official said, adding that U.S. officials had desperately worked to free Davis before a threatened murder trial began. The concern was that if the actual murder trial started it would become very difficult to extricate him.
Davis was arrested Jan. 27 after gunning down two Pakistani men at a traffic signal in Lahore. Davis later said that the two men were attempting to rob him and had brandished a weapon.
The U.S. official confirmed that so-called blood money had been paid to family members of the shooting victims. In Pakistan, there is a tradition of such payments in return for pardoning the perpetrator of a crime.
An official close to the negotiations said three Pakistani families each received between $700,000 and $1 million as part of the deal to free Davis. In addition to the two men killed by Davis, a third Pakistani died after being struck by a vehicle carrying CIA personnel attempting to retrieve Davis after the shooting.
The sources for this story asked to remain anonymous because they are not authorized to discuss details of the case.
The decision to free Davis resolves what had become a high-stakes tense diplomatic stand-off and a signal of mounting tensions between the CIA and its Pakistani counterpart, the Inter-Services Intelligence directorate, or ISI.
Punjab province law minister Rana Sanauallah told a Pakistani news channel that Davis was set free by the court after the blood money was accepted by the families of those killed, in accordance with Islamic Sharia law.
He said, The members of the families of killed persons appeared before the court and independently confirmed that they have forgiven Davis.
When asked where Davis is now after his release, Sanaullah said, He is a free American citizen and it is up to his own desire wherever he wants to go.
He also denied any role of Punjab government in the settlement of the issue. This is also baseless that the families of those killed were pressurized to sign the papers as for the acceptance of blood money, he said.
A second U.S. official said that the U.S. government had yet to make any payments in connection with the case, apparently because the terms and initial payments were handled by Pakistani officials.
To date the U.S. government has not paid anybody anything, the U.S. official said. We expect to receive a bill. The U.S. official said that no other concessions had been made.
There was no quid pro quo between the Pakistani and U.S. government in connection the attempts to get Davis freed, the U.S. official said.
Davis, 36, was a member of a security team assigned to protect CIA operatives in Lahore collecting intelligence on targets including Lashkar-e-Taiba, a militant Islamist group tied to terrorist attacks against India and long backed by the ISI.
Daviss arrest triggered new tensions between the CIA and ISI, with officials from the Pakistani spy service expressing outrage that Daviss activities had not been cleared with the Pakistani government.
Since almost immediately after his arrest, there was suspicion that Davis, a former U.S. special operations soldier, had worked for the CIA, fueled by the fact that Pakistani authorities found a camera, a headlamp, a small telescope and other spy paraphernalia in his possession.
The Washington Post for weeks refrained from reporting Daviss status as a CIA employee at the request of the Obama administration, which said identifying him as an agency operative could risk his life.
The CIA has a major presence in Pakistan, despite an often dysfunctional relationship with the ISI. The agency has carried out more than 100 drone strikes over the past year in the tribal areas of Pakistan where al-Qaeda and other militant groups are based. The CIA and ISI have also collaborated on captures and other operations, even while frequently accusing one another of breaches of trust.
After his arrest, Davis became the center of a major diplomatic dispute. U.S. officials argued that he was protected by diplomatic immunity, but Pakistani authorities disputed that and threatened to try him for murder.
U.S. officials said serious negotiations to resolve the dispute began three weeks ago when Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass) made a surprise trip to Pakistan at the request of the administration to try to dampen tensions and encourage talks.
CIA and ISI officials also met in attempts to smooth out disagreements over issues including ISI claims that the CIA was mounting secret operations inside Pakistan without informing their hosts.
A broad agreement was reached last Friday to make blood money payments to the families in return for Daviss release, but officials said there was concern it might unravel as the families argued about the final terms.
The agreement was struck under compensation and forgiveness provisions of Sharia law that are incorporated in Pakistans civil statutes. The official familiar with the negotiations acknowledged that the families were under significant pressure by some political and religious figures not to settle, which may account for the delay in reaching a deal.
While angered over the Davis case, some Pakistani authorities were also eager to defuse a situation that called attention to the ongoing CIA presence in the country, and threatened a major rupture with a U.S. government that provides billions of dollars in aid.
A senior U.S. official said Davis was flown to Kabul because the United States wanted him out of Pakistan as soon as possible and it was the closest place.
The official said Davis was in good spirits, but was not immediately asked to speak in detail about the shootings or his time in custody. We wanted to leave that to the professionals, the official said.
The release, the official said, came after long, long talks with their government.
This was the kind of thing that forced us to take a hard look at our relationship, the official said. I think both sides realize that we really need to work with each other.
It was not immediately clear how soon Davis will be flown to the United States, the official said.
Munter, the U.S. ambassador to Pakistan, issued a statement Wednesday confirming that Davis had been pardoned, and thanking the Pakistani families for their generosity.
I wish to express, once again, my regret for the incident and my sorrow at the suffering it caused, Munter said in the statement, which was dated March 10 a possible indication of how long a tentative deal had been in place.
[email protected]
Staff writers Karen DeYoung in Washington and Ernesto Londono is Kabul also contributed to this story. Hussein, a special correspondent, reported from Islamabad
A CIA security contractor who fatally shot two Pakistani men in January was released Wednesday after relatives of the victims received blood money as compensation and agreed to pardon him, U.S. officials said.
Raymond Davis was released from a Pakistani jail in Lahore after nearly two months in detention and was flown to meet with U.S. officials in Kabul. Cameron Munter, the U.S. ambassador to Pakistan, accompanied Davis on the flight, a U.S. official said.
There has been a plan in the works for the last three weeks, the official said, adding that U.S. officials had desperately worked to free Davis before a threatened murder trial began. The concern was that if the actual murder trial started it would become very difficult to extricate him.
Davis was arrested Jan. 27 after gunning down two Pakistani men at a traffic signal in Lahore. Davis later said that the two men were attempting to rob him and had brandished a weapon.
The U.S. official confirmed that so-called blood money had been paid to family members of the shooting victims. In Pakistan, there is a tradition of such payments in return for pardoning the perpetrator of a crime.
An official close to the negotiations said three Pakistani families each received between $700,000 and $1 million as part of the deal to free Davis. In addition to the two men killed by Davis, a third Pakistani died after being struck by a vehicle carrying CIA personnel attempting to retrieve Davis after the shooting.
The sources for this story asked to remain anonymous because they are not authorized to discuss details of the case.
The decision to free Davis resolves what had become a high-stakes tense diplomatic stand-off and a signal of mounting tensions between the CIA and its Pakistani counterpart, the Inter-Services Intelligence directorate, or ISI.
Punjab province law minister Rana Sanauallah told a Pakistani news channel that Davis was set free by the court after the blood money was accepted by the families of those killed, in accordance with Islamic Sharia law.
He said, The members of the families of killed persons appeared before the court and independently confirmed that they have forgiven Davis.
When asked where Davis is now after his release, Sanaullah said, He is a free American citizen and it is up to his own desire wherever he wants to go.
He also denied any role of Punjab government in the settlement of the issue. This is also baseless that the families of those killed were pressurized to sign the papers as for the acceptance of blood money, he said.
A second U.S. official said that the U.S. government had yet to make any payments in connection with the case, apparently because the terms and initial payments were handled by Pakistani officials.
To date the U.S. government has not paid anybody anything, the U.S. official said. We expect to receive a bill. The U.S. official said that no other concessions had been made.
There was no quid pro quo between the Pakistani and U.S. government in connection the attempts to get Davis freed, the U.S. official said.
Davis, 36, was a member of a security team assigned to protect CIA operatives in Lahore collecting intelligence on targets including Lashkar-e-Taiba, a militant Islamist group tied to terrorist attacks against India and long backed by the ISI.
Daviss arrest triggered new tensions between the CIA and ISI, with officials from the Pakistani spy service expressing outrage that Daviss activities had not been cleared with the Pakistani government.
Since almost immediately after his arrest, there was suspicion that Davis, a former U.S. special operations soldier, had worked for the CIA, fueled by the fact that Pakistani authorities found a camera, a headlamp, a small telescope and other spy paraphernalia in his possession.
The Washington Post for weeks refrained from reporting Daviss status as a CIA employee at the request of the Obama administration, which said identifying him as an agency operative could risk his life.
The CIA has a major presence in Pakistan, despite an often dysfunctional relationship with the ISI. The agency has carried out more than 100 drone strikes over the past year in the tribal areas of Pakistan where al-Qaeda and other militant groups are based. The CIA and ISI have also collaborated on captures and other operations, even while frequently accusing one another of breaches of trust.
After his arrest, Davis became the center of a major diplomatic dispute. U.S. officials argued that he was protected by diplomatic immunity, but Pakistani authorities disputed that and threatened to try him for murder.
U.S. officials said serious negotiations to resolve the dispute began three weeks ago when Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass) made a surprise trip to Pakistan at the request of the administration to try to dampen tensions and encourage talks.
CIA and ISI officials also met in attempts to smooth out disagreements over issues including ISI claims that the CIA was mounting secret operations inside Pakistan without informing their hosts.
A broad agreement was reached last Friday to make blood money payments to the families in return for Daviss release, but officials said there was concern it might unravel as the families argued about the final terms.
The agreement was struck under compensation and forgiveness provisions of Sharia law that are incorporated in Pakistans civil statutes. The official familiar with the negotiations acknowledged that the families were under significant pressure by some political and religious figures not to settle, which may account for the delay in reaching a deal.
While angered over the Davis case, some Pakistani authorities were also eager to defuse a situation that called attention to the ongoing CIA presence in the country, and threatened a major rupture with a U.S. government that provides billions of dollars in aid.
A senior U.S. official said Davis was flown to Kabul because the United States wanted him out of Pakistan as soon as possible and it was the closest place.
The official said Davis was in good spirits, but was not immediately asked to speak in detail about the shootings or his time in custody. We wanted to leave that to the professionals, the official said.
The release, the official said, came after long, long talks with their government.
This was the kind of thing that forced us to take a hard look at our relationship, the official said. I think both sides realize that we really need to work with each other.
It was not immediately clear how soon Davis will be flown to the United States, the official said.
Munter, the U.S. ambassador to Pakistan, issued a statement Wednesday confirming that Davis had been pardoned, and thanking the Pakistani families for their generosity.
I wish to express, once again, my regret for the incident and my sorrow at the suffering it caused, Munter said in the statement, which was dated March 10 a possible indication of how long a tentative deal had been in place.
[email protected]
Staff writers Karen DeYoung in Washington and Ernesto Londono is Kabul also contributed to this story. Hussein, a special correspondent, reported from Islamabad
ISI and CIA together on the same page, like PML-N and PPP:
'Blood money' frees CIA contractor in Pakistan
LAHORE, Pakistan A CIA contractor who shot and killed two Pakistani men was freed from prison on Wednesday after the United States paid $2.34 million in "blood money" to the victims' families, Pakistani officials said, defusing a dispute that had strained ties between Washington and Islamabad.
In what appeared to be carefully choreographed end to the diplomatic crisis, the U.S. Embassy said the Justice Department had opened an investigation into the killings on Jan. 27 by Raymond Allen Davis. It thanked the families for "their generosity" in pardoning Davis, but did not mention any money changing hands.
Davis left the country immediately on a U.S. flight, Pakistani and American officials said.
The killings and detention of Davis triggered a fresh wave of anti-American sentiment in Pakistan and were testing an alliance seen as key to defeating al-Qaida and ending the war in Afghanistan.
Antagonism was especially sharp between the CIA and Pakistan's powerful Inter Services Intelligence, which says it did not know Davis was operating in the country. One ISI official said the agency had backed the "blood money" deal as way of soothing tensions.
Small groups of protesters took to the street in major cities after nightfall, briefly clashing with police outside the U.S. consulate in Lahore, where officers fired tear gas at men burning tires and hurling rocks. Some called for larger protests Friday after noon prayers.
Davis, a 36-year-old Virginia native, claimed he acted in self-defense when he killed the two men on the street in the eastern city of Lahore. The United States initially described him as either a U.S. consular or embassy official, but officials later acknowledged he was working for the CIA, confirming suspicions that had aired in the Pakistani media.
The United States had insisted Davis was covered by diplomatic immunity, but the weak government here, facing intense pressure from Islamist parties, sections of the media and the general public, did not say whether this was the case.
The payment of "blood money," sanctioned under Pakistani law, had been suggested as the best way to end the dispute.
Given the high stakes for both nations, few imagined either side would allow it to derail the relationship. The main question was how long it would take to reach a deal.
Punjab Law Minister Rana Sanaullah said Davis was charged with murder Wednesday in a court that was convened in a prison in Lahore, but was immediately pardoned by the families of the victims after the payment.
Reporters were not allowed to witness the proceedings.
"This all happened in court and everything was according to law," he said. "The court has acquitted Raymond Davis. Now he can go anywhere."
U.S. officials said Davis left the country soon after his release from jail.
Raja Muhammad Irshad, a laywer for the families, said 19 male and female relatives appeared in court to accept the $2.34 million. One Pakistani official said the sum was just under twice that, while other media outlets reported the amount was between $700,000 and $1.4 milion.
He said each told the court "they were ready to accept the blood money deal without pressure and would have no objection if the court acquitted Raymond Davis."
Representatives of the families had previously said they would refuse any money.
Asad Mansoor Butt, who had earlier represented the families, accused Pakistan's government of pressuring his former clients; he gave no details.
Some media reports said the some of the families had been given permission to live in the United States.
Irshad said that was not discussed in court.
The case dominated headlines and television shows in Pakistan, with pundits using it to whip up hatred against the already unpopular United States. While the case played out in court, many analysts said that the dispute was essentially one between the CIA and the ISA, and that they would need to resolve their differences before Davis could be freed.
One ISI official said CIA director Leon Panetta and ISI chief Gen. Shuja Pasha talked in mid-February to smooth out the friction between the two spy agencies. A U.S. official confirmed that the phone call took place.
Pasha demanded the U.S. identify "all the Ray Davises working in Pakistan, behind our backs," the official said.
He said Panetta agreed "in principle" to declare such employees, the official said, but would not confirm if the agency had done so.
A second ISI official said as a result of that conversation the ISI which along with the army is a major power center in the country then backed an effort to help negotiate the "blood money." The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not allowed to give their names to the media.
CIA Spokesman George Little said the two agencies had had "a strong relationship for years."
"When issues arise, it is our standing practice to work through them. Thats the sign of a healthy partnership, one that is vital to both countries, especially as we face a common set of terrorist enemies," he said.
Davis' wife, Rebecca, outside her home in Highlands Ranch, Colorado, said she had heard of the release of her husband but did not have time to speak.
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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/top/all/7474563.html
'Blood money' frees CIA contractor in Pakistan
LAHORE, Pakistan A CIA contractor who shot and killed two Pakistani men was freed from prison on Wednesday after the United States paid $2.34 million in "blood money" to the victims' families, Pakistani officials said, defusing a dispute that had strained ties between Washington and Islamabad.
In what appeared to be carefully choreographed end to the diplomatic crisis, the U.S. Embassy said the Justice Department had opened an investigation into the killings on Jan. 27 by Raymond Allen Davis. It thanked the families for "their generosity" in pardoning Davis, but did not mention any money changing hands.
Davis left the country immediately on a U.S. flight, Pakistani and American officials said.
The killings and detention of Davis triggered a fresh wave of anti-American sentiment in Pakistan and were testing an alliance seen as key to defeating al-Qaida and ending the war in Afghanistan.
Antagonism was especially sharp between the CIA and Pakistan's powerful Inter Services Intelligence, which says it did not know Davis was operating in the country. One ISI official said the agency had backed the "blood money" deal as way of soothing tensions.
Small groups of protesters took to the street in major cities after nightfall, briefly clashing with police outside the U.S. consulate in Lahore, where officers fired tear gas at men burning tires and hurling rocks. Some called for larger protests Friday after noon prayers.
Davis, a 36-year-old Virginia native, claimed he acted in self-defense when he killed the two men on the street in the eastern city of Lahore. The United States initially described him as either a U.S. consular or embassy official, but officials later acknowledged he was working for the CIA, confirming suspicions that had aired in the Pakistani media.
The United States had insisted Davis was covered by diplomatic immunity, but the weak government here, facing intense pressure from Islamist parties, sections of the media and the general public, did not say whether this was the case.
The payment of "blood money," sanctioned under Pakistani law, had been suggested as the best way to end the dispute.
Given the high stakes for both nations, few imagined either side would allow it to derail the relationship. The main question was how long it would take to reach a deal.
Punjab Law Minister Rana Sanaullah said Davis was charged with murder Wednesday in a court that was convened in a prison in Lahore, but was immediately pardoned by the families of the victims after the payment.
Reporters were not allowed to witness the proceedings.
"This all happened in court and everything was according to law," he said. "The court has acquitted Raymond Davis. Now he can go anywhere."
U.S. officials said Davis left the country soon after his release from jail.
Raja Muhammad Irshad, a laywer for the families, said 19 male and female relatives appeared in court to accept the $2.34 million. One Pakistani official said the sum was just under twice that, while other media outlets reported the amount was between $700,000 and $1.4 milion.
He said each told the court "they were ready to accept the blood money deal without pressure and would have no objection if the court acquitted Raymond Davis."
Representatives of the families had previously said they would refuse any money.
Asad Mansoor Butt, who had earlier represented the families, accused Pakistan's government of pressuring his former clients; he gave no details.
Some media reports said the some of the families had been given permission to live in the United States.
Irshad said that was not discussed in court.
The case dominated headlines and television shows in Pakistan, with pundits using it to whip up hatred against the already unpopular United States. While the case played out in court, many analysts said that the dispute was essentially one between the CIA and the ISA, and that they would need to resolve their differences before Davis could be freed.
One ISI official said CIA director Leon Panetta and ISI chief Gen. Shuja Pasha talked in mid-February to smooth out the friction between the two spy agencies. A U.S. official confirmed that the phone call took place.
Pasha demanded the U.S. identify "all the Ray Davises working in Pakistan, behind our backs," the official said.
He said Panetta agreed "in principle" to declare such employees, the official said, but would not confirm if the agency had done so.
A second ISI official said as a result of that conversation the ISI which along with the army is a major power center in the country then backed an effort to help negotiate the "blood money." The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not allowed to give their names to the media.
CIA Spokesman George Little said the two agencies had had "a strong relationship for years."
"When issues arise, it is our standing practice to work through them. Thats the sign of a healthy partnership, one that is vital to both countries, especially as we face a common set of terrorist enemies," he said.
Davis' wife, Rebecca, outside her home in Highlands Ranch, Colorado, said she had heard of the release of her husband but did not have time to speak.
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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/top/all/7474563.html
He is being Sarcastic. Try to read in between the lines. Do not you know ateansari brother? He is just trying to drag Musharaf again. So I would suggest delete your post.
QaiserMirza
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
رقم کی لین دین میں محترم بڑے صاحب کا کتنا فیصد تھا
MQM supporters must be very happy, as this incident has taken people attention away from the Munafiqat and dirty politics of their beloved idol. They will come out clean due to short term memory of the nation and its unabated tendency to focus on things that are not root cause of their misery.
This is really sad, shameful and disgraceful. There will be no revolutuon, people is this country are used to the "easy" or corrupt way of life, down to the individual.
It takes a lot of discipline, patience, unity and sacrifice to withstand a real revolution. Which we clearly lack. Evident by the posts on this forum, people rip each other apart in the name of defending their political affiliation. How can they sustain a revolution.
This Raymond Davis episode will become a part of archive along with several other events.
It takes a lot of discipline, patience, unity and sacrifice to withstand a real revolution. Which we clearly lack. Evident by the posts on this forum, people rip each other apart in the name of defending their political affiliation. How can they sustain a revolution.
This Raymond Davis episode will become a part of archive along with several other events.
Raymond Davis saga: Victims' families leave country say sources
LAHORE: Initial media reports surrounding the release of Raymond Davis suggest that the families of the victims killed in the Lahore shooting have left the country on a second plane. Their neighbours say they havent seen the families in two days and that their homes are empty and locked.
Sources say an aircraft carrying more than 10 people left Lahore airport and is headed to Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan. They also say the families have been given Green Cards and homes in New York state and Washington DC.
LAHORE: Initial media reports surrounding the release of Raymond Davis suggest that the families of the victims killed in the Lahore shooting have left the country on a second plane. Their neighbours say they havent seen the families in two days and that their homes are empty and locked.
Sources say an aircraft carrying more than 10 people left Lahore airport and is headed to Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan. They also say the families have been given Green Cards and homes in New York state and Washington DC.
