Breaking news* - "No permission of high command needed to retaliate" - Kiyani

Wadaich

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)

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In a special meeting Chaired by COAS Pak Army is given orders to respond in a befitting manner to NATO force on any violation of territorial integrity. This decision of was taken in an extraordinary meeting of corpse commander two days ago after the NATO attack. 1. Army Chain of Command System has been dismissed for the time being to respond NATO. The officers on the front can take their decision as per demand of the situation. 2. The officers on front don't need any orders to respond any attack on territorial integrity. 3. We should not forget the blood of Shaheeds. Source: All Pakistani News Channels.
 
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Humi

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: Pak Army Given Orders to Respond Nato Force on Violation of Territorial Integrity: Decision of Corpse Commader Meeting

lets see..decision toh humaray gov't bhi leti hai but no good result comes out of it...
 

TruPakistani

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Pak Army Given Orders to Respond Nato Force on Violation of Territorial Integrity: Decision of Corpse Commader Meeting

This means, we are ready to go to war..............

Is the nation ready for war ? if not how can they be made ready ?
 

usmanakbar

Councller (250+ posts)
Re: Pak Army Given Orders to Respond Nato Force on Violation of Territorial Integrity: Decision of Corpse Commader Meeting

that's what they said/ordered after ossama capturing from abbottabad.......
 
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crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
NO PERMISSION OF HIGH COMMAND NEEDED to RETALIATE AGAINST AGRESSION: kIYANI

ARY is playing news on sticker, Kiyani has issued his command to the troops on the borders, for them to retaliate against any incursion they don't need permission from the high command.

Whoever is the attacker and aggressor, army should retaliate with whatever arms are available to them.

It seems Pakistani Army has decided they are going to respond to the Americans with force. Something which should have been adopted from the start. They should have shot down the helicopters on 2nd May, I have written it repeatedly PAF had plenty of time to do so, but didn't purposefully. It is evident from the statement given by PAF chief afterwards that they would have been attacked by USA if they have taken down their helicopters.

I can promise you if they Killed Americans, they would give you respect. Nobody cares or respect cowards in this world.
 

Bilal_Mushi

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Pak Army Given Orders to Respond Nato Force on Violation of Territorial Integrity: Decision of Corpse Commader Meeting

[h=1]COAS empowers ground officers to repulse aggression[/h] Last Updated On 01 December,2011 About 37 seconds ago
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COAS General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani has suspended command and chain system to counter any aggression.


Sources said the Army Chief has suspended the command and chain system in order to enable the senior officers on the posts to take appropriate action in case Pakistani forces come under attack.

Sources said that decision would however be applicable to eventualities involving Nato troops.

Sources said that General Kayani has also ordered the troops to counter any aggression with full force and defend the motherland against any assailant. General Kayani has also said that the Pak Air Force should have taken action while Nato helicopters had violated the Pakistani airspace and attacked the Pakistani posts, sources said.

General Kayani has also observed that the communication of the attacked posts had snapped after the Nato attack. He said that now the senior officer on the ground would decide about counter measures.

http://dunyanews.tv/index.php?key=Q2F0SUQ9MiNOaWQ9NTI4OTA=


In a special meeting Chaired by COAS Pak Army is given orders to respond in a befitting manner to NATO force on any violation of territorial integrity. This decision of was taken in an extraordinary meeting of corpse commander two days ago after the NATO attack.

1. Army Chain of Command System has been dismissed for the time being to respond NATO. The officers on the front can take their decision as per demand of the situation.

2. The officers on front don't need any orders to respond any attack on territorial integrity.

3. We should not forget the blood of Shaheeds.

Source: All Pakistani News Channels.
 

Humi

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: Pak Army Given Orders to Respond Nato Force on Violation of Territorial Integrity: Decision of Corpse Commader Meeting

what does kayani mean PAF should have taken action? Doesnt kyani tell them what to do?
 

Talal_khan

Citizen
Re: Pak Army Given Orders to Respond Nato Force on Violation of Territorial Integrity: Decision of Corpse Commader Meeting

im pretty sure this is just for public consumption..PAF should have scrambled within minutes...when it came to mumbai attacks, jets were at the borders in a matter of minutes
 

TruPakistani

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Pak Army Given Orders to Respond Nato Force on Violation of Territorial Integrity: Decision of Corpse Commader Meeting

what does kayani mean PAF should have taken action? Doesnt kyani tell them what to do?

Huma, General Kiyani is COAS and only controls the Army, PAF has its own Chief of Air Staff. Gen Kiyani has no operational control on the PAF or the Navy.

This is a very important decision taken by the corps commanders to hand over the operational decision making on the senior officer present on scene.
It means that a Major or even a Captain will now be able to engage the enemy without waiting for authorization from its HQ.
This situation is only allowed in a war and not otherwise.

May ALLAH protect our motherland.
 
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KhanHaripur

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: NO PERMISSION OF HIGH COMMAND NEEDED to RETALIATE AGAINST AGRESSION: kIYANI

I don't believe a single word until I see some NATO deadbodies/heli/drone wreckage on Pak Afghan border.
 

kiani4u

Citizen
Re: Pak Army Given Orders to Respond Nato Force on Violation of Territorial Integrity: Decision of Corpse Commader Meeting

Pak Army zinda bad kiani zinda bad we are on your back pak army do not worry
 

Shahid Ali

Siasat.pk - Blogger
WHY NATO / USA ATTACKED? by Shahid Ali

http://observe-pakistan.blogspot.com/2011/11/why-nato-usa-attacked-by-shahid-ali.html

WHY NATO / USA ATTACKED? by Shahid Ali

The blogger is Shahid Ali who actively participates in political and social discussion on Twitter.He lives in Karachi and attended Karachi University and National Defence University Islamabad.

A lot has been said and written after NATO air strike at Pakistani posts on Pak Afghan border. Many thinkers and analysts suggested about how Pakistani government should respond to these attacks. To make up a plan, first we should comprehend that WHY NATO attacked Pakistan? I tried but failed to search some expert opinions / articles over this WHY. It is necessary to evaluate what targets NATO and US wanted to achieve from this attack?

First let us clear some points.

1. NATO and US are definitely not that nave to provoke and annoy their partner in War on Terror without any reason. They are well aware that in PRESENT SITUATION, without Pakistan the end game or wrap up of Afghan war is not possible.

2. The excuse of friendly fire or mistake is also not weighty because Pakistani posts are well marked on maps that both sides possess.


3. Initially it was claimed by ISAF/NATO forces that first they received fire from Pakistani side and they asked for air support to retaliate. Even this argument has no substance.

a) If fire was coming from Pakistani side, there must have been some casualties, injuries or material losses on other side. More than an hour assault could not be called for a few undamaging bullets coming from other side (as claimed).

b) If air support was requested, ground forces must have informed the exact location from where they were receiving fire. Before sending air support, Pakistani authorities were not contacted (through border co-ordination system that is already in place) by NATO about any offensive fire from Salala outpost (that is already marked / mapped).

So all above clearly directs that attack was intentional and deliberate.

Now let us eliminate the wrong answers to the question - Why NATO/US attacked?

1. They dont want supply line from Pakistan False.
2. They want open war with Pakistan False.
3. They are very comfortable in Afghanistan and dont need help from Pakistan False.
4. They dont want settlement of Afghanistan problem False.

After all above wrong answers, let me present another reason that might have been the real target of US and might be the right answer to this WHY.

Bear in mind, this was neither first attack on Pakistani forces by NATO/US/Afghan-insurgents nor the first violation of our territorial sovereignty. This was the continuation of serial attacks particularly in past seven months since OBL episode.

By these attacks US achieved:

1. Hardline/Anti-US/Pro-Taliban forces in Pakistan demanded government to quit War-On-Terror and go for head-on collision with US.

US believes that Pakistan cannot quit WOT or fight with US. Yes, there are many variables, but the final conclusion they draw is correct. In short, Pakistan wont fight US.

2. US brought Pakistan Government and Army under immense public pressure. They are asked monitor western borders just like they do it on eastern side with India. Whoever crosses the border either US drone or NATO helicopter should be hit and treated as invasion.

For this, 24 hours surveillance of Afghan border is required. So interestingly the US demand of surveillance, monitoring and guarding of Afghan border is now the demand of Pakistani public. The cause of FATA tribes annoyance (presence of armed forces) has been suddenly transformed into a DEMAND by the same people. Instead of leaving FATA, armed forces are now asked by Pakistani public to make their presence feel at Pak-Afghan border. We are witnessing 180 degree turn in Pakistani public demand.

To meet these public demands and achieve the required results, full scale forces deployment and western command has to be setup. Permanent upfront posts, army brigades, radars installation, backup cantonments, air forces bases etc, in short a replica setup (with some technical changes) of Pak-India border would be needed.

Once Pakistan forces setup all their facilities on western side, then it would become an active and operational border for the forces. If Pak forces successfully take control over the western side, withdrawal and leaving it unguarded on later stage for tribal Pushtuns would certainly not be the choice of forces. This would make the bordering Pushtun tribes irrelevant and Pakistan forces would be free from what US call exploitation.

This border control by regular forces will change the dynamics and environment so drastically that Pakistani policy of Must-be-a-friendly-government-in-Afghanistan could be softened or amended and Pak support to Pushtun fighters could be withdrawn to install a stable Afghan government resulting withdrawal of NATO forces.

Even after that, Pakistan would interfere in Afghan politics but not to the extent of no-solution-without-Pakistan. Changing regimes in Afghanistan just like eastern neighbor India wont be that serious matter for Pakistan than it is now because of an open and unguarded long border.

Above is my answer to WHY NATO ATTACKED.

It is for Pakistan government and armed forces to decide if they want to go to the extent of setting up a whole new western command of armed forces with the funding of Anti-US friends or keep continue the pardon & move on policy and linger on till the US unilaterally announce withdrawal from Afghanistan as did in Vietnam.
 

Islamabadi1

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Pak Army Given Orders to Respond Nato Force on Violation of Territorial Integrity: Decision of Corpse Commader Meeting

It is time we develop intercontinental Ballistic missiles and have them targeted at major American cities...and if that pathetic cold island in the north sea dares to support the yanks then we should aim our Babur Cruise missile at London too...
 

Humi

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: Pak Army Given Orders to Respond Nato Force on Violation of Territorial Integrity: Decision of Corpse Commader Meeting

Huma, General Kiyani is COAS and only controls the Army, PAF has its own Chief of Air Staff. Gen Kiyani has no operational control on the PAF or the Navy.

This is a very important decision taken by the corps commanders to hand over the operational decision making on the senior officer present on scene.
It means that a Major or even a Captain will now be able to engage the enemy without waiting for authorization from its HQ.
This situation is only allowed in a war and not otherwise.

May ALLAH protect our motherland.

ok...well according to reports, the troops did use the weapons they had but PAF's support would have been helpful so I am not sure how effective allowing soldiers to respond back is going to be as they did so on 26th as well..
 

TruPakistani

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Pak Army Given Orders to Respond Nato Force on Violation of Territorial Integrity: Decision of Corpse Commader Meeting

ok...well according to reports, the troops did use the weapons they had but PAF's support would have been helpful so I am not sure how effective allowing soldiers to respond back is going to be as they did so on 26th as well..

I agree, but they must have used weapons only after being engaged, and when the enemy launches a surprise attack it is pretty hard and forceful. This was a surprise attack which was least expected. Defensive firing of small arms is not properly directed and controlled and hence loses its effectiveness.

PAF support would have been useful, but air support on post with is just 300 meters inside Pakistan territory is very very dangerous and PAF aircraft's would definitely have crossed over to the Afghan side and then NATO and the US would have claimed that we attacked them, no one would have believed us.

We would have been in a very difficult position in that scenario. The present position of strength for Pakistan is due to the shahadat of our brave soldiers.

And believe me ALLAH
:subhanahu: gives the gift of such shahadat to his special people.
 

Ringer

Citizen
Re: Pak Army Given Orders to Respond Nato Force on Violation of Territorial Integrity: Decision of Corpse Commader Meeting

An enormous shift in policy, seems there is certainly something big cooking .... or may be what was cooking is ready to be served... Need an expert opinion.
 

TruPakistani

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Pak Army Given Orders to Respond Nato Force on Violation of Territorial Integrity: Decision of Corpse Commader Meeting

The Rules of engagement ordered now by the COAS are only issued in an actual combat scenario.
They were not issued ever before, and the most interesting this is that the enemy is NATO and ISAF.
 

Centennial73

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Pak Army Given Orders to Respond Nato Force on Violation of Territorial Integrity: Decision of Corpse Commader Meeting

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Bangash

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Pak Army Given Orders to Respond Nato Force on Violation of Territorial Integrity: Decision of Corpse Commader Meeting

This means, we are ready to go to war..............

Is the nation ready for war ? if not how can they be made ready ?

[FONT=&quot]This means, we are ready for active defence[/FONT]
 

Saboo

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: Pak Army Given Orders to Respond Nato Force on Violation of Territorial Integrity: Decision of Corpse Commader Meeting

An enormous shift in policy, seems there is certainly something big cooking .... or may be what was cooking is ready to be served... Need an expert opinion.
Yeh Kiani sahib nay bhookay buchon ki tasali kay liay paani se bhuri hundia rukh di hay.
Every one thinking some thing big is cooking.
 

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