Appeal to SC

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This video will be used to get the Acquittal in the charge which he is under arrest . No one is contesting the charges which he is already acquitted. so, the whole argument is not about the decision in which he was acquitted but in the decision where he was convicted. Judge himself said that there were no evidence against his corruption, and yet he was asked to find him guilty .

I am just laughing at the point that he was not aware that PMLN was recording his video. All such videos are recorded in secret when the truth needed to be found . In order to get the truth from him , this video was really needed so the people can see how the army and boots blackmail and threaten the Judges and try to manipulate the decisions. One day,. all these facts will be revealed and people will hold their heads in shame who are now defending the boots activities and harming the country .

The judge said no such stuff. The video is edited & subtitles are added to show PMLN's narrative. He is not saying those things. The video & audio are not coherent. That is a fact admitted by Maryam. So none of the contents of that video can be trusted except the fact that the judge met a PMLN member which goes against PMLN.
You can laugh but by admitting that he was not aware you are conceding the point that his confessional statement could only come after he became aware of this secretly recorded video.

 

[Zaidi Qasim]

The judge said no such stuff. The video is edited & subtitles are added to show PMLN's narrative. He is not saying those things. The video & audio are not coherent. That is a fact admitted by Maryam. So none of the contents of that video can be trusted except the fact that the judge met a PMLN member which goes against PMLN.
You can laugh but by admitting that he was not aware you are conceding the point that his confessional statement could only come after he became aware of this secretly recorded video.

What rubbish argument. The Judge is corrupt and doubtful but his decision is correct . It is not if they found him corrupt in some other aspect of his life but his being proven corrupt, and issuing the statement after the release of Video , and his hiding the fact that he was approach( if that is even correct) all has to do with the case where he was holding the trial and the main subject of this video was his admission of interference from outside and he failed to register that while the trial was going on . All these information points to the incompetence and mistrial. If the judge can be punish for his conduct , his decision can't stand valid either.

Its just a technical issue if the Video doesn't match with the audio. It doesn't mean that what he is saying in that video is not reliable. Its his voice and its his face which tells the truth . No guys seems to be too much concerned about the minor issues and trying to diver the attention from the main issue and that is that he was compromised and the decision he delivered wasn't free of any interference.

 

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What rubbish argument. The Judge is corrupt and doubtful but his decision is correct . It is not if they found him corrupt in some other aspect of his life but his being proven corrupt, and issuing the statement after the release of Video , and his hiding the fact that he was approach( if that is even correct) all has to do with the case where he was holding the trial and the main subject of this video was his admission of interference from outside and he failed to register that while the trial was going on . All these information points to the incompetence and mistrial. If the judge can be punish for his conduct , his decision can't stand valid either.

Its just a technical issue if the Video doesn't match with the audio. It doesn't mean that what he is saying in that video is not reliable. Its his voice and its his face which tells the truth . No guys seems to be too much concerned about the minor issues and trying to diver the attention from the main issue and that is that he was compromised and the decision he delivered wasn't free of any interference.

I did not present the argument that you are calling rubbish. Do not assume things.
The judge is corrupt & doubtful. Obviously. But the question is who approached him? From the video, it is only evident that PMLN approached him. And NS got acquitted in one case.
PMLN has a very difficult task at hand now. They have to produce the original video which seems unlikely as they are shifting blame on each other. SS blaming maryam & maryam blaming Nasir Butt. Its a typical PMLN hockey game when they are asked to present any solid evidence.
The video is a technical thing to begin with. So technical issues matter. The audio & video have to be coherent. The lip movement & face expressions of a speaker in a video usually match the audio. But in this one, audio & video are not coherent. Therefore we do not know when he is saying what. His words & sentences could be mixed & edited giving them a different meaning altogether.
Let them first establish the interference. They have arrested the person who provided the blackmailing video & nobody can deny his involvement as he is in that blackmailing video. So obviously he knows who approached him & bought him Land Cruiser & gave him the cheque.

 

[Zaidi Qasim]

I did not present the argument that you are calling rubbish. Do not assume things.
The judge is corrupt & doubtful. Obviously. But the question is who approached him? From the video, it is only evident that PMLN approached him. And NS got acquitted in one case.
PMLN has a very difficult task at hand now. They have to produce the original video which seems unlikely as they are shifting blame on each other. SS blaming maryam & maryam blaming Nasir Butt. Its a typical PMLN hockey game when they are asked to present any solid evidence.
The video is a technical thing to begin with. So technical issues matter. The audio & video have to be coherent. The lip movement & face expressions of a speaker in a video usually match the audio. But in this one, audio & video are not coherent. Therefore we do not know when he is saying what. His words & sentences could be mixed & edited giving them a different meaning altogether.
Let them first establish the interference. They have arrested the person who provided the blackmailing video & nobody can deny his involvement as he is in that blackmailing video. So obviously he knows who approached him & bought him Land Cruiser & gave him the cheque.

It amazed me how much time you guys spend to counter argue about a Judge whose conduct has been proven dubious. Never in the world the cases stand its merit when the Judge found to be compromised and being punished but his decision is not touched. It is only in Khota Justice of Pakistan which ignores the main issue and pay attention to minor abnormalities. Who brought the camera, who invited the Judge, which angle the camera was taking pictures. The Video and Audio is incoherent. The camera is of old model. The Judge didn't shave and looked intoxicated ( I remember that argument as well by pottyheads in the beginning; Lol) But nothing was said about the contents of his confession and how he was pressurized and how he delivered the decision under pressure .... Lugay Raho Munna Bhai. You will take this country and the Judiciary to the top of the world where no one has reached yet.

 

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It amazed me how much time you guys spend to counter argue about a Judge whose conduct has been proven dubious. Never in the world the cases stand its merit when the Judge found to be compromised and being punished but his decision is not touched. It is only in Khota Justice of Pakistan which ignores the main issue and pay attention to minor abnormalities. Who brought the camera, who invited the Judge, which angle the camera was taking pictures. The Video and Audio is incoherent. The camera is of old model. The Judge didn't shave and looked intoxicated ( I remember that argument as well by pottyheads in the beginning; Lol) But nothing was said about the contents of his confession and how he was pressurized and how he delivered the decision under pressure .... Lugay Raho Munna Bhai. You will take this country and the Judiciary to the top of the world where no one has reached yet.

I have said about the contents of his confession. According to his confession, he was blackmailed by PMLN. The judge appears to be compromised but it has to be proved via a valid & original video. The judge has a version of events as well. Why do you guys want to be treated as God that whatever you say should be accepted without any scrutiny? If what you are claiming is correct, bring it to the court & the court will see if the video is genuine or not.

 

[Wake up Pak]

The bottom line is nawaz never gave a single proof of his properties and money trail.
If you want to re trial him go ahead I can assure you he will get much more harsh punishment. The judge was too soft on him.

 

[Zaidi Qasim]

I have said about the contents of his confession. According to his confession, he was blackmailed by PMLN. The judge appears to be compromised but it has to be proved via a valid & original video. The judge has a version of events as well. Why do you guys want to be treated as God that whatever you say should be accepted without any scrutiny? If what you are claiming is correct, bring it to the court & the court will see if the video is genuine or not.

This is not his confession , but his attempt to malign PMLN after he was exposed. His real confession is the one where he admitted that he was under pressure and that is in his video which was taken . In that video he is openly confessing his reason for punishing NS even though he found no proof of his corruption.

Why didn't Khota Justice asked this Judge to come to the court ? Why Khosa was concerned about the case when he couldn't even get anyone to properly do the forensic on the video. The forensic can be done on any video to established if it is indeed doctored or not. And if the person who had the video is under custody as you said, why Khosa didn't bother to bring that person to the court and asked him the questions ? The only reason is that they all will be exposed and their drama of neutral Judiciary will be displayed in front of people.

You are treating Judge as a God and that is also on his statement which he issued after getting completely exposed in Video.

 

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This is not his confession , but his attempt to malign PMLN after he was exposed. His real confession is the one where he admitted that he was under pressure and that is in his video which was taken . In that video he is openly confessing his reason for punishing NS even though he found no proof of his corruption.

Why didn't Khota Justice asked this Judge to come to the court ? Why Khosa was concerned about the case when he couldn't even get anyone to properly do the forensic on the video. The forensic can be done on any video to established if it is indeed doctored or not. And if the person who had the video is under custody as you said, why Khosa didn't bother to bring that person to the court and asked him the questions ? The only reason is that they all will be exposed and their drama of neutral Judiciary will be displayed in front of people.

You are treating Judge as a God and that is also on his statement which he issued after getting completely exposed in Video.

You are jumping to conclusions that in such a hurry you are stating incorrect facts.
First of all, the video Maryam presented is not genuine. It is doctored & the audio & video are recorded on separate devices & then mixed together. This means there is no coherence. So how can one accept that the voice is of the judge & not of a person with similar voice. Plus, his words & sentences could be jumbled around to present a particular narrative. The video is of no value until & unless it is proved to be genuine.
He never said that there is no proof of corruption.
The CJ has given all the reasons for not ordering the forensic. They have punished the judge even before the forensic because even without the forensic audit of the video the fact is established & confessed by the judge that he was meeting PMLN side.
The other person you want CJ to call has the other video, on the basis of which Judge Arshad Malik was blackmailed. Why would the CJ call him here?
The judge is giving a confession against himself. Why should he be doubted???

 

[Zaidi Qasim]

You are jumping to conclusions that in such a hurry you are stating incorrect facts.
First of all, the video Maryam presented is not genuine. It is doctored & the audio & video are recorded on separate devices & then mixed together.

How do you know it is doctored ? You haven't even done any forensic on it .

This means there is no coherence. So how can one accept that the voice is of the judge & not of a person with similar voice. Plus, his words & sentences could be jumbled around to present a particular narrative. The video is of no value until & unless it is proved to be genuine.

Take that video and do forensic on it. It will tell you if it is doctored or not. You are just jumping all over the place with your argument

He never said that there is no proof of corruption.

Go though the Video again and watch it again. I don't think you watched it at all.

The CJ has given all the reasons for not ordering the forensic. They have punished the judge even before the forensic because even without the forensic audit of the video the fact is established & confessed by the judge that he was meeting PMLN side.

He was not punished because of the Video but because of his statement which in fact even Khota found stupid.

The other person you want CJ to call has the other video, on the basis of which Judge Arshad Malik was blackmailed. Why would the CJ call him here?
The judge is giving a confession against himself. Why should he be doubted???

Because he is using his statement to malign NS. If he was really sincere about his statement, he could have given it long ago when the trial was conducted and he was approached.

 

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How do you know it is doctored ? You haven't even done any forensic on it .
Maryam admitted it. Did she not say that video & audio were recorded on different devices? If yes, did she not show a video where audio was also available??? If yes, does that not mean someone took both devices & mixed the audio & the video??? Did someone not add subtitles to it???
Use common sense.

Take that video and do forensic on it. It will tell you if it is doctored or not. You are just jumping all over the place with your argument

The video is supposedly a proof from PMLN. Let them submit it as a proof, then its forensic would be done.

Go though the Video again and watch it again. I don't think you watched it at all.

I did & he is narrating the appeal to the person. The judge is narrating & someone is writing. The person writing is asking the judge again & again so that he can catch up. The narration of appeal from PMLN's side is not the judge's admission. Do not be over smart here. I have watched the video & very carefully.

He was not punished because of the Video but because of his statement which in fact even Khota found stupid.

Exactly. That is the point. The SC does not need the video to punish him. His confession is enough for that. But it is still unclear who blackmailed him.

Because he is using his statement to malign NS. If he was really sincere about his statement, he could have given it long ago when the trial was conducted and he was approached.

How could he give a statement when maryam did not show the secret video??? & he was being blackmailed by PMLN using his 15 years old video which PMLN allegedly bought from the person in Multan.

 

[Zaidi Qasim]

How do you know it is doctored ? You haven't even done any forensic on it .
Maryam admitted it. Did she not say that video & audio were recorded on different devices? If yes, did she not show a video where audio was also available??? If yes, does that not mean someone took both devices & mixed the audio & the video??? Did someone not add subtitles to it???
Use common sense.

She never said it was doctored. As a matter of fact she said they have done the forensic of their own and are satisfied about it. Having audio and video at different level were not the proof that the tape has been somehow doctored to show other than what is being said.

Take that video and do forensic on it. It will tell you if it is doctored or not. You are just jumping all over the place with your argument

The video is supposedly a proof from PMLN. Let them submit it as a proof, then its forensic would be done.

They won't even dare doing that . They have been doing trying to save the Judiciary's ass from exposing their boot alliance . Khota justice tried to brush off the whole case by not doing anything since the further investigation would have revealed how they are being pimps of Boots and how the whole system is compromised.

Go though the Video again and watch it again. I don't think you watched it at all.

I did & he is narrating the appeal to the person. The judge is narrating & someone is writing. The person writing is asking the judge again & again so that he can catch up. The narration of appeal from PMLN's side is not the judge's admission. Do not be over smart here. I have watched the video & very carefully.

Watch it at 2:00 onward.

He was not punished because of the Video but because of his statement which in fact even Khota found stupid.

Exactly. That is the point. The SC does not need the video to punish him. His confession is enough for that. But it is still unclear who blackmailed him.

It is very much clear from the video since he is telling who wanted Judgment against NS.They didn't go to the content of the video and never called the Judge to explain what he said, again, afraid of further Judiciary exposure to the corruption and blackmailing.

Because he is using his statement to malign NS. If he was really sincere about his statement, he could have given it long ago when the trial was conducted and he was approached.

How could he give a statement when maryam did not show the secret video??? & he was being blackmailed by PMLN using his 15 years old video which PMLN allegedly bought from the person in Multan.

Maryam is under the NAB custody . The could easly get hold of the video . Again, they are trying to play it smart and wanted minimum damaged done to their prestige . Obviously they are in cahoot with boots and don't want the people of Pakistan know their full extend.

 

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She never said it was doctored. As a matter of fact she said they have done the forensic of their own and are satisfied about it. Having audio and video at different level were not the proof that the tape has been somehow doctored to show other than what is being said.

Recording audio & video on separate devices & then joining them, adding subtitles to it already means it is doctored.

They won't even dare doing that . They have been doing trying to save the Judiciary's ass from exposing their boot alliance . Khota justice tried to brush off the whole case by not doing anything since the further investigation would have revealed how they are being pimps of Boots and how the whole system is compromised.

You are again in the same frame of mind where you believe that it is the judiciary's obligation to gather evidence on your behalf. Fortunately, that is not how the law works. If Qatri wanted to give statement in your favor, you had to produce him. The judiciary will not take SC to Qatar. Similarly, you want to benefit from the video so you have to present it in court.

Watch it at 2:00 onward.

I guess you did not watch it carefully. Can you explain "thallay nihsaan laanday jao"???


It is very much clear from the video since he is telling who wanted Judgment against NS.They didn't go to the content of the video and never called the Judge to explain what he said, again, afraid of further Judiciary exposure to the corruption and blackmailing.

No, it is not. Unfortunately you have to do better than that.

Maryam is under the NAB custody . The could easly get hold of the video . Again, they are trying to play it smart and wanted minimum damaged done to their prestige . Obviously they are in cahoot with boots and don't want the people of Pakistan know their full extend.

Maryam says she is not the source of the video. Are you trying to say that she is lying???

 

[Zaidi Qasim]

She never said it was doctored. As a matter of fact she said they have done the forensic of their own and are satisfied about it. Having audio and video at different level were not the proof that the tape has been somehow doctored to show other than what is being said.

Recording audio & video on separate devices & then joining them, adding subtitles to it already means it is doctored.

No the audio and video was not joined. This is a very long Video and only some scripts from the whole Video was taken for the press conference. Added Titles to it to explain it in a brief time. Doctored videos are not like that . The Doctored videos have their contents changed and the pictures were modified to the photo shop level. None of which is shown here. his voice could be heard and his face can be clearly seen .No added words were included in the video and no words of his were changed to benefit anyone .

They won't even dare doing that . They have been doing trying to save the Judiciary's ass from exposing their boot alliance . Khota justice tried to brush off the whole case by not doing anything since the further investigation would have revealed how they are being pimps of Boots and how the whole system is compromised.

You are again in the same frame of mind where you believe that it is the judiciary's obligation to gather evidence on your behalf. Fortunately, that is not how the law works. If Qatri wanted to give statement in your favor, you had to produce him. The judiciary will not take SC to Qatar. Similarly, you want to benefit from the video so you have to present it in court.

If the SC couldn't pass any judgment then why it took it to listen to the trial ? Khota Justice could only send the whole case to IHC ten why poke their nose ? I have asked you that question earlier as well. What is the outcome of the whole time wasted in SC if the IHC now can do the justice to the case. It was a big natik as far as the Khota Judge is concerned. He knew exactly the whole decisions is rotten , yet m he only shrugged his hands off instead of throwing the decision out. which definitely shows his biased.

Watch it at 2:00 onward.

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I guess you did not watch it carefully. Can you explain "thallay nihsaan laanday jao"???

'"Kuddy es jaga tu Thora Jia tight karna, Kaday Os jaga tu thora jia knob ghumana ....
Odhay With Ohi awaz nikaldi, jeri o chanday nay""'

what else is there for anyone to say further. And these are words right after the corruption Nae Nikldi .....

It is very much clear from the video since he is telling who wanted Judgment against NS.They didn't go to the content of the video and never called the Judge to explain what he said, again, afraid of further Judiciary exposure to the corruption and blackmailing.

No, it is not. Unfortunately you have to do better than that.

Judges are all corrupt. They never want to put themselves on trial. In this sordid affairs, they all would be exposed and they don't like it. But sooner or later, they will have to speak the truth .... Wait till their demise come in to place .

Maryam is under the NAB custody . The could easily get hold of the video . Again, they are trying to play it smart and wanted minimum damaged done to their prestige . Obviously they are in cahoot with boots and don't want the people of Pakistan know their full extend.

Maryam says she is not the source of the video. Are you trying to say that she is lying???

Lol... so, you are going to tell me that they can't get hold of the Video ? remember back in panama case, they were able to collect the documents which normally takes some years to get their hands on it. So, don't try to fool people. They will never want to bring the evidence against themselves in to the courts .

 

[عمر]

No the audio and video was not joined. This is a very long Video and only some scripts from the whole Video was taken for the press conference. Added Titles to it to explain it in a brief time. Doctored videos are not like that . The Doctored videos have their contents changed and the pictures were modified to the photo shop level. None of which is shown here. his voice could be heard and his face can be clearly seen .No added words were included in the video and no words of his were changed to benefit anyone .

Amazing. They were recorded via different devices, never joined but magically appeared in one when maryam showed it. I guess another calibri miracle is coming.

If the SC couldn't pass any judgment then why it took it to listen to the trial ? Khota Justice could only send the whole case to IHC ten why poke their nose ? I have asked you that question earlier as well. What is the outcome of the whole time wasted in SC if the IHC now can do the justice to the case. It was a big natik as far as the Khota Judge is concerned. He knew exactly the whole decisions is rotten , yet m he only shrugged his hands off instead of throwing the decision out. which definitely shows his biased.

They have passed the judgement & the judge has been punished according to the law.
But they are not going to do your job. You have to produce the original video, not the judges.

'"Kuddy es jaga tu Thora Jia tight karna, Kaday Os jaga tu thora jia knob ghumana ....
Odhay With Ohi awaz nikaldi, jeri o chanday nay""'

This could be about NS too or anyone. Assumptions are not considered evidences.

what else is there for anyone to say further. And these are words right after the corruption Nae Nikldi .....

After "corruption naee nikldi" why does he say "thallay nishan laanday jao"??? What is he narrating??? And in the full video he is narrating in English court lingo as well. Why??? Because he is narrating the lines of appeal, not his opinion.

Judges are all corrupt. They never want to put themselves on trial. In this sordid affairs, they all would be exposed and they don't like it. But sooner or later, they will have to speak the truth .... Wait till their demise come in to place .

Nobody puts himself on trial. Others do that. That is why there are two sides to a case.

Lol... so, you are going to tell me that they can't get hold of the Video ? remember back in panama case, they were able to collect the documents which normally takes some years to get their hands on it. So, don't try to fool people. They will never want to bring the evidence against themselves in to the courts .

Yes, i am going to tell you that. They cannot get hold of the video. It is not their job. If the judges in a case keep helping one side in gathering evidence for their case, then what is the point of being a judge??? Why should the judges help you get the original video that is going to be of your benefit in your opinion??? It is your responsibility to get the evidence that you believe will exonerate you.