Abbottabad like Incidents Shall not be Tolerated- General Kiyani

drkjke

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: NO HONOUR, PRESTIGE, PRIDE LEFT FOR PAKISTAN - Pakistan's image is that of an IMPOTENT COWARD Country now

and believe me.worlds luckiest two men are kyani and shuja pasha...even if they sell pakistan and all islamic nations even than pakistani nation will keep worshipping and singing songs for them.
because this is a mentally slave nation who has sacred cows and this nations sacred cows work for kufar against muslims.tragic
 

drkjke

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: NO HONOUR, PRESTIGE, PRIDE LEFT FOR PAKISTAN - Pakistan's image is that of an IMPOTENT COWARD Country now

a column i cant forget..javaid chaudery the famous columnist wrote a column saying taht best way to behave when an enemy attacks is to surrender to them!!!he claimed that his ancestors the punjabis always welcome any invader as they know that if they stand up against any invader that invader can harm them! so best policy is to bow down to every invader!!!
this column shows how sick is mentality of our "intellectuals".by the way javaid chaudery has no right to label all punjabis as coward like him...as its not race but islam and iman that makes a person brave or coward
 

jaanmark

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: We don't need Nuclear weapons, we need BALLS.

Human 's bollow , which use in showing power of a man, which our current people in high level of commaders do not have it because zardari learned them make money then honurer .
 

BluntMan

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: NO HONOUR, PRESTIGE, PRIDE LEFT FOR PAKISTAN - Pakistan's image is that of an IMPOTENT COWARD Country now

please suggest some posotive steps for the solution of these problems

The solution is clear. Court martial of army, isi, paf chiefs
 

molvirpg

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: We don't need Nuclear weapons, we need BALLS.

I am sad at naivet, almost ignorance of fellow Pakistanis here. Dont you know that if one has balls he cant even get promoted to be a two star general (A major general) in the Pak Army!! Promos above one star (brigadier) must have full clearance from CIA, NSA, and Pentagon, meaning daddy USA.

When one such general called Pervez U-turn Musharraf (Who does not stop quacking like a duck these days) offered his behinds high up in the air without pants to the almighty USA after so called 911. Wasnt all this supposed to happen?
And of course Our US Ambassador to Pakistan in Washington DC, Mr. Hussain Huqqani, should be given both the bounty of $25 million and the medal of honor, for sending seven thousand into Pak from US without any prior visa clearance. He really got the job done.
 

Jack Sparrow

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: We don't need Nuclear weapons, we need BALLS.

Both of them need " Balls".I dont know how they lost them ??

Every body knows that they sold their BALLS for dollars.

Because America fears Muslim BALLS.Muslim BALLS are weapons of mass destruction(WMD) for America.(bigsmile)
 
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canadian

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: NO HONOUR, PRESTIGE, PRIDE LEFT FOR PAKISTAN - Pakistan's image is that of an IMPOTENT COWARD Country now

some one else posted this. One correction, Army doesnt take 60 %, its less then that.

Mr. Canadian u in canada enjoy western lifestyle and then u tell Pakistanis that they shudnt ask questions from dere own army. Read above.

Yes can ask questions but dont spread hatred and venom which obviously will serve no purpose but spread hatred and despodency against your National instititutions.Obviously you understand the difference between hatred and healthy criticism.Just suggest what they should have done instead of what they did !! Yes I live in Canada but my heart and soul are in Pakistan and I will live and die for that Country.My forefathers sacrified a lot to achieve this Country and Inshallah me and my children will do the same if required.
Yeh Watan Hamara Hai,
Hum Passban Hain Iss Key.......
 

theexile

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: We don't need Nuclear weapons, we need BALLS.

They don't need balls from iran, they need balls like iMran. The only good thing you get from iran is p*ussies to do Mut'tah. Sorry for the vulgarity but if anybody feels offended, I don't give a sh*t.
 

Malik495

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
aik mota aadmi rail k andr poori seat k ooper leta hota hay...jo bhi passenger ata usay uthanay ka kahta to wo agay se kahta k oey tumhain nahi pata main kon hon...akhir aik passenger aya jo k uss se bhi mota tha uss ne us shakhs ko kaha k chal bhai uth k beth yeh seat meri hay.. agay se uss ne kaha k oey tumhain nahi pata main kon hon... uss passenger ko ghussa agaya aur kaha han bay bata to kon hay....jawab men us motay shakhs ne kaha...yaar main beemar hon....[hilar]

yehi haal hamari army aur hamari govt ka hay... bayan to aisay day rahay hain jasay aenda america inn se dar k kahay ga ok sir aenda nahi ho ga...kab tak ullu banao gay iss ghurbat aur mahngaee ki chakki men pisi hoi awam ko...aik izzat aur qomi ghairat rah gaee thi wo bhi baich k kha gaye...ab wakay hi hansi aati hay yaar dayar-e-ghair men beth k apnay mulk k halat pr...
 

khanpanni

Minister (2k+ posts)
Do we have comparison with high tec weapons and conventional weapons ? How many countries are surrounding Pak Armed forces
including you guys as well ? Which side you are representing ? How many secret agencies have to fight ISI ?
Can we fight NATO, USA, India, Isreal at a time alone ? Do we have innocient stupied plus Mir Jafar and Sadiq in our lines ?

What should be our position total damage in Pak (may Allah protect) or little damage and consolidate the positon again and stand
to defend or position. Why these countries are so keen to dismental our army? Allah forbid, if they are not there then ?

The people who are facing this treacherous planned war of the enemy and are on the ground facing the results of all the
consequencies of their plan, know better ?

Let them do their professional job (specially Army) and we should help our bros in this time of need by not targetting them
as our enemy want ? It is very shameful that we un- attentionally fulfilling the job of our enemy as it is happening in libya.

( I am not an army personal but I love my people all force and Pakistan).
 

abbasiali

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: NO HONOUR, PRESTIGE, PRIDE LEFT FOR PAKISTAN - Pakistan's image is that of an IMPOTENT COWARD Country now

Supporting corruption is also a crime, no matter who does and on what level.

Time has come, these people who are playing with future of whole Pakistani Nation, should bring to justice, this criminal careless deserve all forces chief's dismissal including General Kiyani, Recent Drone attack killed 17 innocent Pakistanis, What army and air force is doing.
 
Re: NO HONOUR, PRESTIGE, PRIDE LEFT FOR PAKISTAN - Pakistan's image is that of an IMPOTENT COWARD Country now

Pakistan army ne konsa asaa karnama keya 1970 ko yaad karoo, ye serirf apni logo ko maar sakti hai ,aur apni leye bungle , bagerat,
 

-CSIS-

Voter (50+ posts)
Osama was probably captured alive, and could be in CIA custody for interrogation

Osama was probably captured alive, and could be in CIA custody for interrogation

just a rummer, no confirmation.
 
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karachiwala

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Media Scrambles as Bin Laden Story Crumbles

While the establishment media was busy parroting President Obamas announcement of Osama bin Ladens supposed assassination, reporting the unsubstantiated claims as if they were unquestionable facts, much of the so-called alternative press was far more cautious and accurate, it turns out. But more importantly, with the new official storyline indicating that bin Laden was in fact unarmed, bigger and much more important questions are beginning to emerge. In terms of coverage, it turns out that the skeptical approach proved far superior in terms of getting it right. Countless mainstream sources were so confident in Obamas word that they reported many of the claims as fact without even attributing them to the President.

But the official White House narrative has been changed so many times in recent days that now its almost unrecognizable. There wasnt even a fire fight; yet this was one of the crucial elements of the original story that justified the assassination of a person the government painted as the most valuable source of information on the planet the leader of al-Qaeda. And in reporting the statements as fact, the establishment press has officially been left with egg all over its face again.

"[Bin Laden] was engaged in a firefight with those that entered the area of the house he was in," said terror czar John Brennan. Similarly, Obama said that after a firefight, they killed Osama bin Laden and took custody of his body. The next day, however, the White House spokesman admitted bin Laden was not armed." Trying to save face and justify the killing of an unarmed man, the spokesman added, without elaborating, that resistance does not require a firearm."

More than a few other important parts of the storyline have been altered, contradicted, or simply exposed as false, too. Everything from which of bin Ladens sons was supposedly killed to the claim that his wife was killed after being used as a human shield all of it has changed for some reason or another. The transcript after Brennans speech was altered to change the name of the dead son. The new and improved narrative now says that not only was bin Ladens wife not killed, but that she was not used as a human shield.

Originally the White House also suggested top officials watched the raid live through a video feed. Terror czar Brennan, for example, claimed that they had real-time visibility into the progress of the operation. CIA boss Leon Panetta later exposed that claim as false in an interview with PBS, saying: There was a time period of almost 20 or 25 minutes that we really didn't know just exactly what was going on."

That means the photo op of Obama and other officials intently watching the operation in the Situation Room was almost certainly staged for the press. And almost every media outlet that ran the picture used inaccurate captions parroting the White House claims.

And theres more. The night of the raid, one administration official told reporters that a helicopter was lost due to mechanical failure. During that same briefing, another administration official said, "We didn't say it was mechanical." Now they claim the crash had something to do with the temperature at bin Ladens supposed compound.

A poorly photo-shopped image of a dead bin Laden embarrassed a large swath of the world press and several Senators, too. Shortly after newspapers and television stations around the globe ran the image, it was exposed as a shoddy forgery that had been circulating for years. Now Obama said he decided not to release any pictures or any other evidence that any element of the story is true, for that matter.

And then theres the burial issue. The Obama administration originally claimed no country would accept the body; so, it was dumped at sea Mafia style in accordance with what Obama alleged were Islamic traditions and customs. When prominent Muslim theological leaders repudiated that lie and noted that it was actually a violation of Islamic tenets to bury Osama bin Laden in the ocean, the new line was that the decision was to avoid the creation of a shrine. That lie fell apart, too, when it was widely reported that bin Ladens brand of Islam calls for unmarked graves building any sort of shrine would have been blasphemous. So far, no new excuses have been concocted for allegedly feeding the body to the fish.

After the numerous discrepancies and falsehoods in the storyline became painfully obvious, the Associated Press, USA Today, Fox News and other outlets slowly and begrudgingly started to report it. From the first moments, a good number of the details about bin Laden's killing, on points large and small, have been wrong, admitted a Fox reporter in one of the more candid acknowledgements to appear in the mainstream press.

But of course, most of the media were also dutifully offering and parroting all manner of excuses. Fog of war was to blame for the confusion, claimed the White House spokesman after that excuse was suggested to him by a member of the press corps asking a question. Virtually every major news outlet reporting the changes in the official story promptly blamed fog of war, too.

An apologist reporter at USA Today wrote that the administration did its best to get the story quickly, adding it's common situation with military action. The paper quoted a Pentagon spokesperson under the Bush administration to bolster its case.

The AP offered a similar excuse along with the fog of combat line offered by the White House. The contradictions and misstatements reflect the fact that even in the case of a highly successful and popular mission, the confusion inherent in a fast-paced, unpredictable military raid conducted under intense pressure in a foreign country does not lend itself immediately to a tidy story line, the reporter claimed, citing some experts.

Several excuses for the ever-changing story were offered by other publications, too. The possibility that they were deliberate lies or worse was virtually never addressed. But the U.K. Independent noted: The impression persists that the administration sought to cast the operation in the most heroic light possible, at the expense of the facts.

Now, the President and his spokespeople and subordinates are refusing to offer more details or explanations. The government has also announced that it will not be releasing pictures or any other evidence to support its claims even as suspicions continue to mount.

But as analysts pointed out, the newly revealed fact that there was no fire fight begs the question about where the fog may have come from. And even more importantly: Why, in the absence of a fire fight, would U.S. forces put a bullet through the brain supposedly containing the most valuable intelligence on the planet? What if bin Laden knew where that alleged nuclear bomb in Europe was located that was set to detonate after his capture or death? None of those questions have been addressed so far.

But prominent critics are sounding the alarm. When such a foundational story as the demise of bin Laden cannot last 48 hours without acknowledged discrepancies that require fundamental alternations to the story, there are grounds for suspicion in addition to the suspicions arising from the absence of a dead body, from the absence of any evidence that bin Laden was killed in the raid or that a raid even took place, noted Paul Craig Roberts, a senior official in the former Reagan administration in a piece entitled The Agendas Behind the bin Laden News Event.

Roberts raised several important questions, too, as well as some comparisons. The entire episode could just be another event like the August 4, 1964, Gulf of Tonkin event that never happened but succeeded in launching open warfare against North Vietnam at a huge cost to Americans and Vietnamese and enormous profits to the military/security complex, he suggested, citing a series of government deceptions that have led to war based on lies and other atrocities.

Roberts suspects there are more lies about the bin Laden narrative than those exposed so far. And hes certainly not alone. It emerged recently that the man who owned the house next to bin Ladens supposed compound doesnt even believe the story either. To be honest, its not true, he told Al Jazeera.

As the official story continues to be re-written by the administration and those in the media who simply re-package government press releases, critics and skeptics would seem to be justified in wondering what other lies and "fog of war" changes may emerge in the coming weeks and months. And perhaps even more importantly, we might also wonder if there are lies that may never be exposed in their entirety?

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/7387-media-scrambles-as-bin-laden-story-crumbles
 

usman6062

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Osama was probably captured alive, and could be in CIA custody for interrogation

Brother.......Although it is anounced that OSAMA is dead in Abbotabad officially.....but Does american provide any proof??? have you seen the dead body pic? watch on youtube.....its all propaganda against Pakistan establishment.
 

BluntMan

MPA (400+ posts)
I am sad at naivet, almost ignorance of fellow Pakistanis here. Don’t you know that if one has balls he can’t even get promoted to be a two star general (A major general) in the Pak Army!! Promos above one star (brigadier) must have full clearance from CIA, NSA, and Pentagon, meaning daddy USA.

When one such general called Pervez U-turn Musharraf (Who does not stop quacking like a duck these days) offered his behinds high up in the air without pants to the almighty USA after so called 911. Wasn’t all this supposed to happen?
And of course Our US Ambassador to Pakistan in Washington DC, Mr. Hussain Huqqani, should be given both the bounty of $25 million and the medal of honor, for sending seven thousand into Pak from US without any prior visa clearance. He really got the job done.

Now Pakistanis should know that Pakistan Army is there to serve USA not Pakistani people
 

BluntMan

MPA (400+ posts)
Let them do their professional job (specially Army)

I got news for u. Abbottabad incident happened recently and Pakistan Armed forces were spectators just like Pakistani people. Wat professional job?
 

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