طالبان کے حملے اور معصوم لوگوں کا قتل

[FaisalKh]

So in a way you are saying they are puppets of america. whenever american wanted used them and then left them to rot...do you really think one should believe in someone whoes used by US...I dont favor people who are bunch of supid puppets.

No america did not use them in fact they used america... It was russia who attacked afghanistan not taliban... My point was that during russian war taliban were hero of the world etc... but now when they are fighting against USA they are terrorists? what kind of hypocrisy is that? we should not look at things from USA's perspective, we are Muslim and Pakistani, we have our own identity we should look for our own interests... everybody knows why USA is here and they have to leave one day... Libyan army is terrorist becoz they did not bow to US agenda and soon u will hear about Pak army and ISI if they confront america... and if u really wanna see a puppet then dont go far look at our Pakistan and u will find a puppet govt working for US agenda against Pakistanis... americans hold the media so whatever they portray about taliban people going to believe but now same americans trying hard to do dialogues with taliban becoz taliban is kicking their butts in afghanistan....

 

[FaisalKh]

you are a sick minded person. wow why have not you been able to kick them already. easier said than done? and who gave you this authority to judge who is munafiq and who is not? you both dont belong to the same soil if your real pakistani because talibans are from afgahistan. you would be stupid to say talibans are not from afganistan. it is a fact unlike your munafiq statement... I truely hare talibans.....yes thats true...because they hate pakistanis.....their right to live....their democratic system....their social life....their religious life...and their personal life.period

my brother, who told u there is democratic govt in Pakistan? and by the way what benefits have it done to Pakistani awaam? u might not be aware but majority of taliban also consists of Pakistani mujahideens u accept it or not... Fighting against kuffar is jihad and helping our Muslim brothers, i dont think there is anything wrong with it... after afghanistan next is Pakistan keep that in mind and if u did not confront them.... hope u got the point... we never heard taliban say we hate Pakistan and Pakistanis etc... becoz i told u most of the taliban fighting against US and occupied forces are Pakistanis and from other muslim countries... just wait some more time nd u will hear taliban as most noble people of the world after US and taliban sit on table talk nd go well... then u will also say taliban is good i m sure....

 

[InsafianPTI]

So U mean we support USA in this war cos USA and NATO are Pakistani elements? Is that what u mean?

No I would say don't blindly support either of them, tell them go and sort things out on their own land. and leave us ALONE, Americans balme us for having talibans and talibans blame us for having americans, I say to both, 'We did not invite either of you, so get Lost and sort your problems out on your land'

 

[InsafianPTI]

There is nothing wrong with Talibaan.... these are the talibans whom US invited to white house and praised them as very good people during russian war... now they are against US thats why they are declared terrorists and bad people....soon u will hear that taliban are very good people and americans are negotiating with them and they have already removed taliban leaders name from banned personal's list... dont blindly believe on media becoz that is run by US even Pakistani media.... u need to wake up man.... if taliban are terrorists then why americans are so desperate to bring them in afghan govt and on dialogue table?

simple america wants to get out of this mess just to win elections, they are definitely not in love with them. My problem with talibans is their sueside bombing, treating women as animals, keeping them uneducated, and physicaly and sexually abusing them. Now don't tell me all that is a lie cus I have seen some of this abuse towards women in phathans through my family links, no bloody media involved in there what so ever. I do know for a fact that not every media story is a fact but jahan AAG HOTI HAI WAHEE SAY DHOOWA UTHTA HAI. We should try to improve our own system and put ourselves first.

 

[niazi]

Talibans are created by Amaricans,for us both Taliban and amaricans are same.

 

[FaisalKh]

simple america wants to get out of this mess just to win elections, they are definitely not in love with them. My problem with talibans is their sueside bombing, treating women as animals, keeping them uneducated, and physicaly and sexually abusing them. Now don't tell me all that is a lie cus I have seen some of this abuse towards women in phathans through my family links, no bloody media involved in there what so ever. I do know for a fact that not every media story is a fact but jahan AAG HOTI HAI WAHEE SAY DHOOWA UTHTA HAI. We should try to improve our own system and put ourselves first.

U r right my brother... i m pathan and i m not that kind of person... our sisters/mothers are well educated even they are too intelligent and more educated than our brothers... u cant blame the whole community for the mistakes of few bunch of idiots... and yes that should also be according to the local culture and Islamic education... if u think that Pakistani women should wear jeans and reveal what they got and they should be allowed for this then i m sorry u r wrong... if pathans have culture of veils and burkas then u cant say they r cruel to women etc... becoz it is our culture... Taliban govt was based on Islamic law and everyone knows what honor Islam has given to woman... i would only say Allah (SWT) knows best what is truth but we should not blindly believe on whatever media says as if u remember about swat incident where a woman was beaten it was fake and it has been admitted before....

 

[FaisalKh]

No I would say don't blindly support either of them, tell them go and sort things out on their own land. and leave us ALONE, Americans balme us for having talibans and talibans blame us for having americans, I say to both, 'We did not invite either of you, so get Lost and sort your problems out on your land'

In muslim countries things dont work like this... do u have any idea how many of Pakistanis went for jihad after US invaded afghanistan? We are brothers to each other and it is our duty to help them and vice versa... their survival is our survival becoz u dont know what game india is playing against Pakistan in afghanistan... u have to think on all aspects of it as we have already lost east Pakistan becoz of their dirty game during 1971 and same is happening in tribal areas and Baluchistan... to tackle India and their motives in afghanistan... we have to support Pakistan friendly govt and from my point of view all this mess created by US is to bring taliban and Pakistan against each other.... u know divide and rule... Plz dont be confused by TTP as Tehreek e Taliban is a branch of CIA not actual taliban and thats how they defame people to win wars... history is full of it...

 

[gazoomartian]

you are a sick minded person. wow why have not you been able to kick them already. easier said than done? and who gave you this authority to judge who is munafiq and who is not? you both dont belong to the same soil if your real pakistani because talibans are from afgahistan. you would be stupid to say talibans are not from afganistan. it is a fact unlike your munafiq statement... I truely hare talibans.....yes thats true...because they hate pakistanis.....their right to live....their democratic system....their social life....their religious life...and their personal life.period

And you are what? American, qadyani, Indian???? do tell

 

[gazoomartian]

Couldn't you get some other job Haroon Ahmed ???

use your head yaar

What could be better job than killing Pakis and then bulls hit on this forum geeeeeez

 

[gazoomartian]

طالبان کے اعمال اور ان کی سچائی ہی ان کے دعووں کی تردید کرتی ہے۔ وہ یہ دعویٰ کرتے ہیں کہ جان بوجھ کر وہ عام شہریوں پر حملہ نہیں کرتے لیکن در حقیقت ہم اکثر شہریوں پر ان کے حملے اور قتل و غارت کے واقعات دیکھتے اور سنتے ہیں۔ مثلاً موسم بہار کی جنگوں کے دوران طالبان نے شہریوں کو نشانہ نا بنانے کی قسم کھائی تھی۔ پر افسوس کی بات ہے کہ اقوام متحدہ نے مئی کے مہینے کو افغان شہریوں کی حلاکتوں کے حساب سے سب سے بھیانک مہینہ قرار دیا۔ اس ایک ہی مہینے میں386 شہری مارے گئے اور مزید 593 زخمی ہوئے جن میں سے 82 فیصد طالبان اور دیگر دہشت گردوں کے ہاتھوں مارے گئے ۔
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کیا کابل انڑکانٹینینٹل ہوٹل پر ہونے والا حملہ افغانستان کی تاریخی عمارتوں، کاروبار اور عوام پر دہشت تاری کرنے کی ایک اور مثال نہیں؟ جو امن اور معاشرتی قاعدے و قانون کے دشمن یہ طالبان بڑی بے شرمی سے قبول کرتے ہیں؟ ہم اس حادثے میں قتل ہونے والوں کے لیے دعائیں اور ان کے اھل و عیال سے تعزیت کا اظہار کرتے ہیں۔ افسوس ہے کہ ایسے حملے افغانستان اور پاکستان کے ہوٹلوں، حکومتی اداروں، اسکولوں، بازاروں میں پہلے بھی کئی بار ہو چکے ہیں۔​

http://tribune.com.pk/story/188043/blast-in-i-8-sector-of-islamabad-live-updates/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13662773
http://www.dawn.com/2011/06/25/three-dead-in-pakistan-police-station-attack.html

http://youtu.be/ityyw7p7msu

اسامہ بن لادن کی موت کا بدلہ لینے کے لیے طالبان نے جو مسلسل حملے کیئے ہیں ان میں انھوں نے معصوم بچیوں کو بھی نہیں بخشا۔ سرکاری اہلکاروں کی اطلاع کے مطابق حال ہی میں طالبان نے دھوکے سے ایک ۸ سالہ بچی کو ایک پولیس چوکی تک بم پہنچانے میں ملوث کیا جس کے پھٹنے سے صرف اسی بے گناہ بچی کی ہی جان گئی۔

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بے غیرت طالبان کو پاکستانی، افغان اور ایساف کے فوجیوں سے آمنے سامنے جنگ کرنے کی ہمت نہیں، اس لیے وہ معصوم بچوں کو خودکش حملے کرنے کے لیے استعمال کررہے ہیں۔ ان کو اس بات کا ڈر ہے کہ پاکستان اور افغانستان کی آنے والی تعلیم یافتہ نسلیں صرف اپنے ملک کی ترقی نہ کہ ملا عمر، ٹی ٹی پی، یا پھر القائدہ کے لیے کام کریں گی۔ ان کے اسی ڈر کی وجہ سے وہ عام لوگوں پرشدت پسند نظریات، ظلم، قتل و غارت، اور خوف تاری کرتے ہیں۔ اسی سال میں ہی انھوں نے 400 سے زیادہ لوگوں کو خودکش حملوں کے زریعے قتل اور مزید 750 کو زخمی کیا۔

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ہارون احمد​

ڈی-ای-ٹی یو۔اس۔ سنٹرل کمانڈ​

www.centcom.mil/ur​

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[change]

Mr. Haroon Ahmed would you like to answer these questions:

First; How do you know that these attackes are being made by Taliban - do you have any credible evidence, share with us?
Your source is newspaper stories. My liberary of newspaper clips and stories [written, audio and video] maybe much richer than yours, if you like i can post hundred and thousands of 'press-clipping and stories' both from Pakistan and western media that contains 'thrilling news' of Taliban involvement in terror attacks. I can also post a large number of media reports that connect CIA, RAW & Mossad with number of terror attacks in Pakistan and also in other parts of the world. Would you believe in all those stories?

Second; In Pakistan majority of bomb-blasts and suicide attackes are made by PTT (Pakistan Tehreek-e-Taliban); they claim responsibility of any terror incident in Pakistan immediately. Has ever Afghan Taliban fighting under the command of Mullah Muhammad Omar ever claimed responsibility for any incident that took place in Pakistan? Do you have any credible evidence to establish that PTT is patronised or linked with Mullah Muhammad Omar? I can post alot of 'newspaper' stories to show that PTT is baked by CIA, RAW & Mossad, will you believe that?

Third; If some one kills your innocent children, infants, man, women and destroy your houses with carpet bombarment, what will be your reaction?

Fourth: Have you ever visisted Trible Areas since Pak-Army and American Drones started killing people there? Is there any evidence that those who were killed in army attack or drone strike were terrorist? Hit any house or place with Drone and claim 'it was a terrorist dent' is it justified?

Fifth; What is the justification for mass scale killing of innocent people in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan - are they not human being - is it not State Terrorism?

Sixth; In Afghnistan and Trible Areas of Pakistan, carrying a Gun is part of their culture, it is like that since centuries. They make their weapons locally, so its not only part of their tradition but a source of livelihood as well. But till to date there is no evidence that these locally made weapons were ever used in any terrorist attack either in Pakistan or in any other part of the world. [Press reports say that in recent attack on PNS Mehran in Karachi, the weapons used by the terrorists were Swedish made and only Indian army use such weapons in the region] Given the fact that PTT claimed responsibility for PNS Mehran attack and PTT is backed by CIA, RAW & Mossad - your theory of Taliban involvement in terrorist attacks seems hollow.

I hope you will have enough moral courage to answer these questions - if not then you must not write any thing like this in future without credible supporting evidence.

 

[Scorpion]

you are a sick minded person. wow why have not you been able to kick them already. easier said than done? and who gave you this authority to judge who is munafiq and who is not? you both dont belong to the same soil if your real pakistani because talibans are from afgahistan. you would be stupid to say talibans are not from afganistan. it is a fact unlike your munafiq statement... I truely hare talibans.....yes thats true...because they hate pakistanis.....their right to live....their democratic system....their social life....their religious life...and their personal life.period

What a fool you are . . . . Do you know how the Guerrilla wars are fought . . . . How many years it took for the Vietnamese to kick out French and American troops . . . . How many years it took to kick the Russians out of afghanistan . . . . In love of your sweet Americans you have lost senses . . . . When you can trace your blood lines to the Americans why cant I support my muslim brothers of afghanistan . . . . Now if you hate Taliban due to some religious, sectarian, ethnic or ideological issue its up to you as I love them only because they are Musalmans and since they are resisting the imperialism and its effects like you . . . .

And again a lier as it is Pakistan which helped Kuffar in destroying an already destroyed Afghanistan . . . . Hamari bases sa kia Americun na Bun or Double Rotian barsai thi afghanistan par . . . . Blind , Deaf . . . . .

 

[shaheedchoudry]

Shut the F*** up you CENTCOM. You are the biggest murderer in the history on mankind. I am amazed when this launti amrika talks about human rights. O haramzado red indians ki nasal ko khatam ker k aur mexicans sey 7 states cheen ker illegal qabza ker k dunya ko insaniayat k daras detay ho. Khanzeero you are the worst kind of beasts. Without you there would be a good world.

 

[Scorpion]

Shut the F*** up you CENTCOM. You are the biggest murderer in the history on mankind. I am amazed when this launti amrika talks about human rights. O haramzado red indians ki nasal ko khatam ker k aur mexicans sey 7 states cheen ker illegal qabza ker k dunya ko insaniayat k daras detay ho. Khanzeero you are the worst kind of beasts. Without you there would be a good world.

Sir,

Also include in the list of their Bloodshed, the civil war 1861-65 . . . . the killings in Cuba from 1898 to 1958 . . . . In Philippines from 1900 to 1941 . . . . Than all that happened in Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Grenada, Nicaragua, Panama . . . . . . .

 

[biofilm]

speak for yourself.. Thats the problem,its pakistanis who have taken oath to slove all the problems of Islam? let me ask you why only pakistanis have to fight for all the muslims of the world? and first respect humanity then other things because if you judge people by their religion,which religion you are talking about. Talibans represent islam? if so why we have to protest their acts of violence? there is somethign terribly wrong...

What a fool you are . . . . Do you know how the Guerrilla wars are fought . . . . How many years it took for the Vietnamese to kick out French and American troops . . . . How many years it took to kick the Russians out of afghanistan . . . . In love of your sweet Americans you have lost senses . . . . When you can trace your blood lines to the Americans why cant I support my muslim brothers of afghanistan . . . . Now if you hate Taliban due to some religious, sectarian, ethnic or ideological issue its up to you as I love them only because they are Musalmans and since they are resisting the imperialism and its effects like you . . . .

And again a lier as it is Pakistan which helped Kuffar in destroying an already destroyed Afghanistan . . . . Hamari bases sa kia Americun na Bun or Double Rotian barsai thi afghanistan par . . . . Blind , Deaf . . . . .

 

[biofilm]

I am a pakistani but I have a different view of our problems. this is a very common tatic here in siasatpk..if you dont like someones views just blam him anti-pakistani, pro-jewish, pro-american, indian spy, anti-islam etc etc. wonder why there are thousands fo people like you protesting passively and doing nothing but to support regressive movements like talibans harmful for our country. you have no right yo ask me what i am even though ive told you.

And you are what? American, qadyani, Indian???? do tell

 

[gazoomartian]

I am a pakistani but I have a different view of our problems. You sure do

this is a very common tatic here in siasatpk..if you dont like someones views just blam him anti-pakistani, pro-jewish, pro-american, indian spy, anti-islam etc etc.
Its not that I dont like YOU. Its just when me or any member would like to where its coming from. depending on where its coming from, messages could have different meaning and impact. For example when Fawad and company from Centcom write here, all blames of our problems are laid squarely on Taliban, not a word the terrors that US/India/Nato is continuously creating.
Also its necessary, at least fro me, if you are an Indian/Jewish/pro-american/anti-islam or anti-pakistan, then i dont even bother reading posts because

ان کے منہ سے سواے پاکستان دشمنی اور امریکا دوستی اور مغلظات کے علاوہ اور کیا نکل سکتا ہے ​

so it saves me time

wonder why there are thousands fo people like you damn! I always thought I was unique

protesting passively and doing nothing but to support regressive movements like talibans harmful for our country. you see?? You blamed itall on talibans. Fact is that US/INDIA/UK/NATO are more dangerous to Pakistan in particular and Muslim world in general. Talibans are a by product of CIA/RAW/MOSSAD conspiracy. Number of lives lost on the planet Earth since the creation of Israel in 1949, is over 100 million, deaths, displacements, maimed, amputee etc included. And all these deaths can be directly contributed to Free Masonic USA since 1949, from Korea to now Pakistan. You can not refute this, its fact. Based on the false news of WMD, and in the name democracy, and freedom, US has destroyed Iraq, once a flourishing country and now they are after Libya.

Free Masons have been ruling the white countries vis-a-vis US, UK, France, Europe etc, and as such, the countries under their influence are war mongers. I am sure after humiliating defeat in Afghanistan, Free Masons are already planning to stage a war somewhere to rob poor and gullible American people in terms of the loan they will give to finance the new upcoming war, perhaps in the Middle East. Dont forget the statement by Conoliza Rice: We will rewrite map of the Middle East. US/UK are the major obstacle in the world peace.
watch this, all 5 parts

[video]http://youtu.be/_dmPchuXIXQ[/video]​

you have no right yo ask me what i am even though ive told you.

I have every right to ask since this forum is for every one and Religion plays a major role in our lives, as oppose to America where religion and Clergies have been shoved behind closet door.

 

[biomat]

 

[gazoomartian]

I am a pakistani but I have a different view of our problems. You sure do

this is a very common tatic here in siasatpk..if you dont like someones views just blam him anti-pakistani, pro-jewish, pro-american, indian spy, anti-islam etc etc.
Its not that I dont like YOU. Its just when me or any member would like to know where its coming from. Depending on where its coming from, messages could have different meaning and impact. For example when Fawad and company from Centcom writes here, all blames of our problems are laid squarely on Taliban, not a word about the terrors that US/India/Nato is continuously creating.
Also its necessary, at least for me, if you are an Indian/Jewish/pro-american/anti-islam or anti-pakistan, then I don't even bother reading posts because

ان کے منہ سے سواے پاکستان دشمنی اور امریکا دوستی اور مغلظات کے علاوہ اور کیا نکل سکتا ہے ​

so it saves me time

wonder why there are thousands fo people like you damn! I always thought I was unique

protesting passively and doing nothing but to support regressive movements like talibans harmful for our country. you see?? You blamed it all on talibans. Fact is that US/INDIA/UK/NATO are more dangerous to Pakistan in particular and Muslim world in general. Talibans are a by product of CIA/RAW/MOSSAD conspiracy. Number of lives lost on the planet Earth since the creation of Israel in 1949, is over 100 million, deaths, displacements, maimed, amputee etc included. And all these deaths can be directly contributed to Free Masonic USA since 1949, from Korea to now Pakistan. You can not refute this, its fact. Based on the false news of WMD, and in the name democracy, and freedom, US has destroyed Iraq, once a flourishing country and now they are after Libya.

Free Masons have been ruling the white countries vis-a-vis US, UK, France, Europe etc, and as such, the countries under their influence are war mongers. I am sure after humiliating defeat in Afghanistan, Free Masons are already planning to stage a war somewhere else to rob poor and gullible American people in terms of the loan they will give to finance the new upcoming war, perhaps in the Middle East. Dont forget the statement by Conoliza Rice: " We will rewrite map of the Middle East".

US/UK are the major obstacle in the world peace. Watch this, all 5 parts

[video]http://youtu.be/_dmPchuXIXQ[/video]​

you have no right yo ask me what i am even though ive told you.

I have every right to ask since this forum is for every one and Religion plays a major role in our lives, as oppose to America where religion and Clergies have been shoved behind closet door. You can ask me anytime you wish


update: also watch this video

[video]http://youtu.be/8n-nT-luFIw[/video]​

 

[InsafianPTI]

U r right my brother... i m pathan and i m not that kind of person... our sisters/mothers are well educated even they are too intelligent and more educated than our brothers... u cant blame the whole community for the mistakes of few bunch of idiots... and yes that should also be according to the local culture and Islamic education... if u think that Pakistani women should wear jeans and reveal what they got and they should be allowed for this then i m sorry u r wrong... if pathans have culture of veils and burkas then u cant say they r cruel to women etc... becoz it is our culture... Taliban govt was based on Islamic law and everyone knows what honor Islam has given to woman... i would only say Allah (SWT) knows best what is truth but we should not blindly believe on whatever media says as if u remember about swat incident where a woman was beaten it was fake and it has been admitted before....

Thanks for your reply, so your family is educated but I'm sure they didn't get educated under taliban administration. Yes its fine to stick to your islamic culture and being a girl myself even living in west I manage to do that but it should not be done by torture and that torture should not be a law that taliban had. I have seen women living spending their whole lives inside their homes still doing bad things and claim to be pious cus they stay at home(and I know in some cases it is only because of the lack of the knowledge), and people coming from that culture believe that educated and working women is bad.
If your families are going through crises would you rather stay at home or would you try to do something to help. Our women should be strong enough to bring change when needed and our socities should be supportive of that.
Talibans can have whatever dress code they want i'm not against that, I'm against their extremist attitude towards women's education that we all know and education should not only be able to read arabic without any understanding and it should or I should say it MUST Include SCIENTIFIC education. and it is definitely m0ore important for women than men in my view (I guess if women are educated men will automatically do that, or women will make them to do so like I do with my younger brothers, I make them to study whether they want it or not:)).

Islam did give respect to women and also as much as I know Islam says its compulsory for all men and women to get education even if they need to go to china but what talibans are doing is completely opposite. They don't even want them to go to their local schools forget about going abroad.
Yes streets in our so called islamic country are not safe because of some morons, but should we stop doing the right thing? I feel safer walking down the street here than I did in Pakistan, well actually I never walked down the street alone in pakistan (Crime rate is exceptionally low in this country than in pakistan)but that did not stop me from doing my work.

Those who are abusing women on streets are the ones who don't let their women go out cus they know what is happening, how come taliban never made a rule for that? and that is the only rule they need. Nobody forces you here to do bad things unless you yourself decide to do so, more educated culturaly and religiously you are more you stick up to it, I guess if they educate women they will have less problems there.
Tell them stop blowing up schools and make their streets safer for everyone and then I'll favour them.

(I've mentioned this issue because I can only think of this as a reason people use when they don't let their girls go out, I can't see any justification whatsoever in islam for their actions against women)

If you want to make a rule to wear burkah do so but before that YOU MUST MAKE a rule where education is compulsory as well, and if somebody doesnot get educated that person should be punished, I will definietly favour any sort of punishment it does not matter how hard it is. If u nwant to follow islam follow it completely than don't pick up the things that ONLY SUIT MEN.
lastly I do not say things as a reaction to what media says, some of my information does come from there but I have my personal experiences, all the things I have said above are facts and of course media comes up with lots of stories about it and I do know they are not all true and I'm not that stupid that I'll believe everything people tell me. Even if I get an information from my dear ones I always double check it, so I'm not that naive.
Jazak Allah