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Raaz

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يَعْلَمُ مَا بَيْنَ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَمَا خَلْفَهُمْ ۖ وَلَا يُحِيطُونَ بِشَيْءٍ مِّنْ عِلْمِهِ [HI]إِلَّا بِمَا شَاءَ[/HI] ۚ

مخلوقات کے تمام حاضر اور غائب حالات کو جانتا ہے اور [HI]وہ سب اس کی معلومات میں سےکسی چیز کا احاطہ نہیں کر سکتے مگر جتنا کہ وہ چاہے[/HI]

There is no doubt in it....All knowledge belongs to Allah ...Except he blessed a bit to us...

We dont know enen Hazir...

America was attacking and Zardari and kiani dont know it....but some people know it, as allah want, ...

The problem with our Mullas is they teach in schools and madrisas to their students , dont ask any qeustion...'Wala tajassaso '

So no question no thinking since centuries...Every thing is stopped here in Muslim community.

That why the extremism is expanding......
 

crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
[MENTION=4976]pakistani[/MENTION] 1947

Your post is very valuable...And no doubt in it that Allah has ultimate information....Gaib and Hazir

But Allah never said that I never give some of the information to the any one....

Actually Allah Tala teaches by himself...to his own servants...sometimes to nonmuslims ( in our sense) too...as they are inventing new thing now a days.

First Allah Talla teaches Adam different names.... It was Gaib for Adam before lerning but then it became the public knowledge... no more gaib...

Then Allah Tallah teaches his messengers lots of knowledge and skills and now we are using it ....

The yesterday Gaib is Hazir today....

As u mentioned : اللَّهُ يَعْلَمُ مَا تَحْمِلُ كُلُّ أُنثَىٰ وَمَا تَغِيضُ الْأَرْحَامُ وَمَا تَزْدَادُ ۖ وَكُلُّ شَيْءٍ عِندَهُ بِمِقْدَارٍ
Yusuf Ali 8: Allah doth know what every female (womb) doth bear, by how much the wombs fall short (of their time or number) or do exceed. Every single thing is before His sight, in (due) proportion.
الله کو معلوم ہے کہ جو کچھ ہر مادہ اپنے پیٹ میں لیے ہوئے ہے اورجو کچھ پیٹ میں سکڑتا اور بڑھتا ہے اور اس کے ہاں ہر چیز کا اندازہ ہے
Just 50 years back , atleast sex of baby was ILM e Gaib but not now.... did Allah contradict???

No, Allah teaches us how to find out at our end.

Quran was itself in Gaib and then revealed to Rasool e Kareem and no more Gaib...It became clear knowledge...It is mother of knowledges...

Same , in Surah Mulk 67 :19 About birds.. Only Allah is holding them....People should never try to fly...But Allah told some one Ho??... and now we fly to haj....

اور کیا انہوں نے اپنے اوپر پرندوں کو پر کھولتے اور سکیڑتے ہوئے نہیں دیکھا جنہیں رحمان کے سوا کوئی نہیں تھام رہا بے شک وہ ہر چیز کو دیکھ رہاہے (١٩

Air is holding the birds and flying objects, but with some conditions.. and these conditions are established by Allah Talla...He knows it only and could tell its people when they r ready.

Now , think how a king will talk ?? " I am the owner of the country and every thing is in my control. No one could interfere. I have resources...."

Same thing is the tone of Quran... Allah is the Malik ul Mulk... and Aawal to AAkhir...

Have knowledge and resouces... Creator of resources and knowledge....

But Rahman and Raheem too...

Today the world has changed from Adam to Muhammad AS, and even upto now... It is all because of Allah' is Rahman on us that he revealed his knowledge to us...

Still Lots of unseen...prey to him that OAllah, open the internal eyes of muslims and give us new and fresh knowledge...

people come to us for learning it...

Actually Quran has lots of knowldge , but we only use it to fight with our muslim brothers only...

Brother Raaz,

Instead of expanding the discussion, please answer my questions, or think yourself logically, and correct yourself. May Allah SWT give you and others who are misguided because of claims and writings by some people.

1- I wrote, to counter the evidence of the Holy Quran, you have no other choice but to produce evidence from the Holy Quran.

2- You and others have only two choices left, after my quotations of two Verses of the Holy Quran, which categorically decreed;

A- Prophet SAW did not have "Knowledge of the unseen", disclosed through his SAW own statement "QUL". It is therefore, two prong testimony of the Holy Quran. i- Allah SWT order to Prophet SAW "QUL" ii- Then through Prophet SAW admission that he SAW does not have the "knowledge of the unseen".

B- Prophet SAW did not have the knowledge of the Hour either. Allah SWT decreed; tell the people, he SAW can not attain this knowledge despite consistent inquiries. Emphasis is given that no matter how much one prays or begs these abilities could never be given to the humans.

Someone said, people get close to Allah SWT and "knowledge of the unseen" is disclosed to them by Allah SWT due to their closeness. Who could be closer to Allah SWT than Prophet SAW?

And why you think, Allah SWT disclosed these two facts by addressing Prophet SAW?

1- Don't you think Allah SWT had the knowledge that in the future some Muslims will made such claims?

2- Thats why Allah SWT declared it in verses with direct first speech with Prophet SAW in the Holy Quran. To warn and guide Muslims not to believe any such claims. If the person who is most nearest and dearest to Allah SWT did not have such knowledge, than no one, I repeat no one, from the start of the World to its ends, can ever be given that knowledge, period.

You and others have no other choice, but either refutes the evidence of two Quranic verses I quoted on both the "Knowledge of the unseen" and "knowledge of the hour". Or produce verses which categorically decreed he SAW did have the "knowledge of the unseen". Please we want proof of "ilmulGhaib" not other verses which are quoted earlier.

I can easily explain each and every verse.

My request to all the brothers, I have discussed this with many very learned people, they do not even try after few minutes of discussion, after realising that it would be neigh impossible for them. Only thing they could do is to put themselves under more pressure.

Please remember, the Holy Quran can not and does not have any contradictions, without shadow of any doubts. If that was the case, the enemies of Islam would have succeeded by now.

Instead of thinking and believing on people who for whatever reasons have claimed that they were given super natural powers, "knowledge of the unseen" had direct connections with Allah SWT etc, are going against the very clear decrees of the Holy Quran.

Remember, the biggest miracle given to Prophet SAW by Allah SWT is the Holy Quran. Look at the evidence of the Holy Quran rather than believing anyone. If anyone makes a claim against the teachings of the Holy Quran, than whom would you give preference the Word of Allah SWT or their word?

Please think.
 

Raaz

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
@brother crankshaft.....thanks for answering me....u r absolutely right....Only Allah has the absolute knowledge of Gaib and Hazir......
think a blind man , he could not see the sun even, it is absolute hazir....but Allah made him blind....And Allah know about his at all....his bheed. the mysteries .....

I am humble man , please forgive Allah and his bande....

Lets read Iqbal and enjoy his thoughts...He is definitely wiser than we all here on the forum..
خودی کی جلوتوں میں مصطفائی
خودی کی خلوتوں میں کبریائی

زمین و آسمان و کرسی و عرش
خودی کی زد میں ہے ساری خدائی!
 
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ahmadalikhan

MPA (400+ posts)
hello everyone,

its a never ending debate whether a person can have ilem-ul-gaib or not..apart from this discussion, i am posting some links which slightly authenticate the poetry or predictions of naimat ullah shah wali. i got them on internet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shah_Ne'emat_Ollah-e-Vali
http://www.tasavof.ir/books/download/farsi/ashare-shahnematollah.pdf
http://www.nimatullahi.org/nimatullahi/nimatullah

brother i have this farsi book but bcos its all in farsi , i couldn't read it, Today i search it and find same verse which Pir Meher Ali Shah sb mentioned

Lets see Comparison here

1. From H.M Sarwar Nazami Book published 1972
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2. Saif e Chistiai by Pir Meher Ali Shah (written early 1900s, as Maher Ali Shah sb died in 1938)

Written against Qadianis bcos mirza falsely used this verse to call himself imam mehdi etc so Pir meher ali shah explained it.

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3. Asha'ar Shah Naimat Ullah Wali (by Abb ul Hassan perveen, published in 1963 AD = 1383 AH)
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Compare urself , these are from 3 different sources.

Can anybody translate this last book which i mentioned above
http://www.tasavof.ir/books/download/farsi/ashare-shahnematollah.pdf
 
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Veila Mast

Senator (1k+ posts)
The core of deception on which Najdi base all their argument is that:

Rasool Allah Sal Lalllah O Wasala himself said so therefore we are BOUND to OBEY without grasping wisdom of matter!

Now look at following Hadith:

Sahi Muslim, Book 19, Chapter 33, Number 4401

It has been narrated on the authority of al-Bara' b. 'Azib who said: 'Ali b. Abu Talib penned the treaty between the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) and the polytheists on the Day of Hudaibiya. He wrote: This is what Muhammad, the Messenger of Allah, has settled. They (the polytheists) said: Do not write words "the Messenger of Allah". If we knew that you were the Messenger of Allah, we would not fight against you. The Prophet (may peace be upon him) said to 'Ali: Strike out these words. He (Ali) said: I am not going to strike them out. So the Prophet (may peace be upon him) struck them out with his own hand. The narrator said that the conditions upon which the two sides had agreed included that the Muslims would enter Mecca (next year) and would stay there for three days, and that they would not enter bearing arms except in their sheaths or bolsters.

Rasool Allah Sal Lallah o Alaih Waslam Sal Lallah o Alaih Waslam even agreed to omit Messenger of Allah with His name so why dont you act upon this!

Sahi Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 83, Number 52

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

A Jew whose face had been slapped (by someone), came to the Prophet and said, "O Muhammad! A man from your Ansari companions slapped me. " The Prophet said, "Call him". They called him and the Prophet asked him, "Why did you slap his face?" He said, "O Allah's Apostle! While I was passing by the Jews, I heard him saying, 'By Him Who chose Moses above all the human beings.' I said (protestingly), 'Even above Muhammad?' So I became furious and slapped him." The Prophet said, "Do not give me preference to other prophets, for the people will become unconscious on the Day of Resurrection and I will be the first to gain conscious, and behold, I will Find Moses holding one of the pillars of the Throne (of Allah). Then I will not know whether he has become conscious before me or he has been exempted because of his unconsciousness at the mountain (during his worldly life) which he received."

So Rasool Allah Sal Lallah o Alaih Waslam Sal Lallah o Alaih Waslam has forbidden preferring Him over Mosa Alaih Salam!

They argue further as in Quran it is mentioned so therefore how come we deviate from
Quran!

Now look at following verses!

Surah Hujraat, Ayah No. 4

اِنَّ الَّذِیۡنَ یُنَادُوۡنَکَ مِنۡ وَّرَآءِ الْحُجُرٰتِ اَکْثَرُہُمْ لَا یَعْقِلُوۡنَ

Would YOU even dare to think something like this about Sahaba Rizwan Allah Tala Ajmaeen?

While at another place:

Surah Dukhan, Ayah No. 47-50

خُذُوۡہُ فَاعْتِلُوۡہُ اِلٰی سَوَآءِ الْجَحِیۡمِ ﴿٭ۖ۴۷﴾ ثُمَّ صُبُّوۡا فَوْقَ رَاۡسِہٖ مِنْ عَذَابِ الْحَمِیۡمِ ﴿ؕ۴۸
﴾ ذُقْ ۚۙ اِنَّکَ اَنۡتَ الْعَزِیۡزُ الْکَرِیۡمُ ﴿۴۹﴾ اِنَّ ہٰذَا مَا کُنۡتُمۡ بِہٖ تَمْتَرُوۡنَ

Would YOU also call them AZIZ UL KAREEM who are being pushed to Jaheem and punished?

Shirk:

Surah Furqan, Ayah No. 2

الَّذِیۡ لَہٗ مُلْکُ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَالْاَرْضِ وَلَمْ یَتَّخِذْ وَلَدًا وَّلَمْ یَکُنۡ لَّہٗ شَرِیۡکٌ فِی الْمُلْکِ وَ خَلَقَ کُلَّ شَیۡءٍ فَقَدَّرَہٗ تَقْدِیۡرًا

[Furqan 25:2] The One to Whom belongs the kingship of the heavens and of the earth, and has not chosen a child, and has no partner in His kingship, and He has created everything and kept it in proper measure.

NO SHAREEK IN MULK

Now look at following verses:

Surah Ale Imran, Ayat No. 26

قُلِ اللّٰہُمَّ مٰلِکَ الْمُلْکِ تُؤْتِی الْمُلْکَ مَنۡ تَشَآءُ وَتَنۡزِعُ الْمُلْکَ مِمَّنۡ تَشَآءُ ۫ وَتُعِزُّ مَنۡ تَشَآءُ وَتُذِلُّ مَنۡ تَشَآءُ ؕ بِیَدِکَ الْخَیۡرُ ؕ اِنَّکَ عَلٰی کُلِّ شَیۡءٍ قَدِیۡرٌ ﴿۲۶﴾

یوں عرض کر اے اللّٰہ ملک کے مالک تو جسے چاہے سلطنت دے اور جسے چاہے سلطنت چھین لے اور جسے چاہے عزت دے اور جسے چاہے ذلت دے ساری بھلائی تیرے ہی ہاتھ ہے بے شک تو سب کچھ کرسکتا ہے

Surah Baqrah, Ayah No. 102 (RP)

وَاتَّبَعُوۡا مَا تَتْلُوا الشَّیٰطِیۡنُ عَلٰی مُلْکِ سُلَیۡمٰنَ

Surah Baqrah, Ayah No. 247

وَقَالَ لَہُمْ نَبِیُّہُمْ اِنَّ اللہَ قَدْ بَعَثَ لَکُمْ طَالُوۡتَ مَلِکًا ؕ قَالُوۡۤا اَنّٰی یَکُوۡنُ لَہُ الْمُلْکُ عَلَیۡنَا وَنَحْنُ اَحَقُّ بِالْمُلْکِ مِنْہُ وَلَمْ یُؤْتَ سَعَۃً مِّنَ الْمَالِ ؕ قَالَ اِنَّ اللہَ اصْطَفٰہُ عَلَیۡکُمْ وَزَادَہٗ بَسْطَۃً فِی الْعِلْمِ وَالْجِسْمِ ؕ وَاللہُ یُؤْتِیۡ مُلْکَہٗ مَنۡ یَّشَآءُ ؕ وَاللہُ وَاسِعٌ عَلِیۡمٌ ﴿۲۴۷﴾

اور ان سے ان کے نبی نے فرمایا بیشک اللّٰہ نے طالوت کو تمہارا بادشاہ بنا کر بھیجا ہے بولے اسے ہم پر بادشاہی کیونکر ہوگی اور ہم اس سے زیادہ سلطنت کے مستحق ہیں اور اسے مال میں بھی وسعت نہیں دی گئی فرمایا اسے اللّٰہ نے تم پر چن لیا اور اسے علم اور جسم میں کشادگی زیادہ دی اور اللّٰہ اپنا ملک جسے چاہے دے اور اللّٰہ وسعت والا علم والا ہے

Surah Baqrah, Ayah No .251

فَہَزَمُوۡہُمۡ بِاِذْنِ اللہِ ۟ۙ وَقَتَلَ دَاوٗدُ جَالُوۡتَ وَاٰتٰىہُ اللہُ الْمُلْکَ وَالْحِکْمَۃَ وَعَلَّمَہٗ مِمَّا یَشَآءُ ؕ وَلَوْلَا دَفْعُ اللہِ النَّاسَ بَعْضَہُمْ بِبَعْضٍ ۙ لَّفَسَدَتِ الۡاَرْضُ وَلٰکِنَّ اللہَ ذُوۡ فَضْلٍ عَلَی الْعٰلَمِیۡنَ ﴿۲۵۱﴾

تو انہوں نے ان کو بھگادیا اللّٰہ کے حکم سے اور قتل کیا داؤد نے جالوت کو اور اللّٰہ نے اسے سلطنت اور حکمت عطا فرمائی اور اسے جو چاہا سکھایا اور اگر اللّٰہ لوگوں میں بعض سے بعض کو دفع نہ کرے تو ضرور زمین تباہ ہوجائے مگر اللّٰہ سارے جہان پر فضل کرنے والا ہے

Surah Baqrah, Ayah No. 258

اَلَمْ تَرَ اِلَی الَّذِیۡ حَآجَّ اِبْرٰہٖمَ فِیۡ رَبِّہٖۤ اَنْ اٰتٰىہُ اللہُ الْمُلْکَ ۘ اِذْ قَالَ اِبْرٰہٖمُ رَبِّیَ الَّذِیۡ یُحْیٖ وَیُمِیۡتُ ۙ قَالَ اَنَا اُحْیٖ وَاُمِیۡتُ ؕ قَالَ اِبْرٰہٖمُ فَاِنَّ اللہَ یَاۡتِیۡ بِالشَّمْسِ مِنَ الْمَشْرِقِ فَاۡتِ بِہَا مِنَ الْمَغْرِبِ فَبُہِتَ الَّذِیۡ کَفَرَ ؕ وَاللہُ لَا یَہۡدِی الْقَوْمَ الظّٰلِمِیۡنَ ﴿۲۵۸﴾ۚ

اے محبوب کیا تم نے نہ دیکھا تھا اسے جو ابراہیم سے جھگڑا اس کے رب کے بارے میں اس پر کہ اللّٰہ نے اسے بادشاہی دی جب کہ ابراہیم نے کہا کہ میرا رب وہ ہے کہ جِلاتا اور مارتا ہے بولا میں جِلاتا اور مارتا ہوں ابراہیم نے فرمایا تو اللّٰہ سورج کو لاتا ہے پورب سے تو اس کو پچھم سے لے آ تو ہوش اُ ڑ گئے کافر کے اور اللّٰہ راہ نہیں دکھاتا ظالموں کو

Surah Nisa, Ayah No. 54

اَمْ یَحْسُدُوۡنَ النَّاسَ عَلٰی مَاۤ اٰتٰہُمُ اللہُ مِنۡ فَضْلِہٖ ۚ فَقَدْ اٰتَیۡنَاۤ اٰلَ اِبْرٰہِیۡمَ الْکِتٰبَ وَالْحِکْمَۃَ وَاٰتَیۡنٰہُمۡ مُّلْکًا عَظِیۡمًا ﴿۵۴﴾

یا لوگوں سے حسد کرتے ہیں اس پر جو اللّٰہ نے انہیں اپنے فضل سے دیا تو ہم نے تو ابراہیم کی اولاد کو کتاب اور حکمت عطا فرمائی اور انہیں بڑا ملک دیا

Surah Yosuf, Ayah No. 101

رَبِّ قَدْ اٰتَیۡتَنِیۡ مِنَ الْمُلْکِ وَعَلَّمْتَنِیۡ مِنۡ تَاۡوِیۡلِ الۡاَحَادِیۡثِ ۚ فَاطِرَ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَالۡاَرْضِ ۟ اَنۡتَ وَلِیّٖ فِی الدُّنُیَا وَالۡاٰخِرَۃِ ۚ تَوَفَّنِیۡ مُسْلِمًا وَّ اَلْحِقْنِیۡ بِالصّٰلِحِیۡنَ ﴿۱۰۱﴾

اے میرے رب بیشک تو نے مجھے ایک سلطنت دی اور مجھے کچھ باتوں کا انجام نکالنا سکھایا اے آسمانوں اور زمین کے بنانے والے تو میرا کام بنانے والا ہے دنیا اور آخرت میں مجھے مسلمان اٹھا اور ان سے مِلا جو تیرے قربِ خاص کے لائق ہیں

Surah Saad, Ayah No. 20

وَ شَدَدْنَا مُلْکَہٗ وَ اٰتَیۡنٰہُ الْحِکْمَۃَ وَ فَصْلَ الْخِطَابِ ﴿
۲۰﴾

اور ہم نے اس کی سلطنت کو مضبوط کیا اور اسے حکمت اور قولِ فیصل دیا

Surah Saad, Ayah No. 35
قَالَ رَبِّ اغْفِرْ لِیۡ وَہَبْ لِیۡ مُلْکًا لَّا یَنۡۢبَغِیۡ لِاَحَدٍ مِّنْۢ بَعْدِیۡ ۚ اِنَّکَ اَنۡتَ الْوَہَّابُ ﴿
۳۵﴾

عرض کی اے میرے رب مجھے بخش دے اور مجھے ایسی سلطنت عطا کر کہ میرے بعد کسی کو لائق نہ ہو بیشک تو ہی ہے بڑی دین والا

Now I ask MUFTI Siyasat Pk to elaborate apparent conflicting statements in Quran as we
all believe:


Surah Nisa, Ayah No. 82

اَ فَلَا یَتَدَبَّرُوۡنَ الْقُرْاٰنَ ؕ وَلَوْ کَانَ مِنْ عِنۡدِ غَیۡرِ اللہِ لَوَجَدُوۡا فِیۡہِ اخْتِلَافًا کَثِیۡرًا ﴿
۸۲﴾

تو کیا غور نہیں کرتے قرآن میں اور اگر وہ غیر خدا کے پاس سے ہوتا تو ضرور اس میں بہت اختلاف پاتے
 
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ek_junoon

Citizen
Brother Raaz,

Instead of expanding the discussion, please answer my questions, or think yourself logically, and correct yourself. May Allah SWT give you and others who are misguided because of claims and writings by some people.

1- I wrote, to counter the evidence of the Holy Quran, you have no other choice but to produce evidence from the Holy Quran.

2- You and others have only two choices left, after my quotations of two Verses of the Holy Quran, which categorically decreed;

A- Prophet SAW did not have "Knowledge of the unseen", disclosed through his SAW own statement "QUL". It is therefore, two prong testimony of the Holy Quran. i- Allah SWT order to Prophet SAW "QUL" ii- Then through Prophet SAW admission that he SAW does not have the "knowledge of the unseen".

B- Prophet SAW did not have the knowledge of the Hour either. Allah SWT decreed; tell the people, he SAW can not attain this knowledge despite consistent inquiries. Emphasis is given that no matter how much one prays or begs these abilities could never be given to the humans.

Someone said, people get close to Allah SWT and "knowledge of the unseen" is disclosed to them by Allah SWT due to their closeness. Who could be closer to Allah SWT than Prophet SAW?

And why you think, Allah SWT disclosed these two facts by addressing Prophet SAW?

1- Don't you think Allah SWT had the knowledge that in the future some Muslims will made such claims?

2- Thats why Allah SWT declared it in verses with direct first speech with Prophet SAW in the Holy Quran. To warn and guide Muslims not to believe any such claims. If the person who is most nearest and dearest to Allah SWT did not have such knowledge, than no one, I repeat no one, from the start of the World to its ends, can ever be given that knowledge, period.

You and others have no other choice, but either refutes the evidence of two Quranic verses I quoted on both the "Knowledge of the unseen" and "knowledge of the hour". Or produce verses which categorically decreed he SAW did have the "knowledge of the unseen". Please we want proof of "ilmulGhaib" not other verses which are quoted earlier.

I can easily explain each and every verse.

My request to all the brothers, I have discussed this with many very learned people, they do not even try after few minutes of discussion, after realising that it would be neigh impossible for them. Only thing they could do is to put themselves under more pressure.

Please remember, the Holy Quran can not and does not have any contradictions, without shadow of any doubts. If that was the case, the enemies of Islam would have succeeded by now.

Instead of thinking and believing on people who for whatever reasons have claimed that they were given super natural powers, "knowledge of the unseen" had direct connections with Allah SWT etc, are going against the very clear decrees of the Holy Quran.

Remember, the biggest miracle given to Prophet SAW by Allah SWT is the Holy Quran. Look at the evidence of the Holy Quran rather than believing anyone. If anyone makes a claim against the teachings of the Holy Quran, than whom would you give preference the Word of Allah SWT or their word?

Please think.

crank brov,
u r right but its half truth. there no question about the Allah's complete hold on unseen knowledge or ilam-ul-gaib... there are number of evidences in Quran and in Hadeed as well that indicates Allah (ST) delegates this knowledge of unseen to His love ones. one more thing which should remember before quoting any Ayah or Hadeet that is it's betided time and reason of betide.
1: here is one verse of Quran:
"He possesses the knowledge of unseen (Ghayb) and He does not discloses His Ghayb to anyone except to such a Messenger as He is well-pleased with." (Quran 72:26-27) ..think about this verse
2: if u read story of Khizer AS and Musa AS in Quran,then why Khizer killed the child, why he made hole in boat and why he build a wall ... isn't sort of ilam-e-gaib?
3: i forgot the name of Gazwa where Hazarat Muhammad SAW pointed out the places and marked with His sword where dead bodies of kuffar has to fall down.



i am a common man vvvvv limited knowledge and understanding of Islam. so hope u will give me good ans with stonge arguments.. thanks
 

crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
crank brov,
u r right but its half truth. there no question about the Allah's complete hold on unseen knowledge or ilam-ul-gaib... there are number of evidences in Quran and in Hadeed as well that indicates Allah (ST) delegates this knowledge of unseen to His love ones. one more thing which should remember before quoting any Ayah or Hadeet that is it's betided time and reason of betide.
1: here is one verse of Quran:
"He possesses the knowledge of unseen (Ghayb) and He does not discloses His Ghayb to anyone except to such a Messenger as He is well-pleased with." (Quran 72:26-27) ..think about this verse
2: if u read story of Khizer AS and Musa AS in Quran,then why Khizer killed the child, why he made hole in boat and why he build a wall ... isn't sort of ilam-e-gaib?
3: i forgot the name of Gazwa where Hazarat Muhammad SAW pointed out the places and marked with His sword where dead bodies of kuffar has to fall down.



i am a common man vvvvv limited knowledge and understanding of Islam. so hope u will give me good ans with stonge arguments.. thanks

Let us divide your questions in to two segments.

1- Verses from Surah Al-Jin, I have explained this in the following articles on the claims of Mirza. This is the problem with using conjecture for the teachings of the Holy Quran. Most of the false claimants of Prophethood have made their claims on the basis of same verses. That's why it is such a dangerous issue, it takes you completely out of the pale of Islam if one is not very careful. I keep insisting, think please, why direct speech is selected in the Holy Quran by Allah SWT. And why it has been relayed like the announcement of Prophet SAW to the ummah?

http://antiquadiani.yuku.com/topic/369/Repeat-of-an-Error-By-Mirza

2- I will write a separate post for Khizar As and explain it, Inshallah. Hopefully post it tomorrow.
 

babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
to elaborate “apparent conflicting” statements in Quran as we
all believe
:

At least I do not find any "conflicting" or "apparent conflicting statements" in Quran. For those
who find such statements for them "Quran is an anguish". What a childish theory we are witnessing
that if there is no partner in the "Mulk" of Allah, then how someone else is granted the "Mulk" by
Allah. These wisdom-blind people should and must think that it is "Allah who is granting
mulk to anyone" where in Quran, Allah has categorically stated that He granted "Ghaib" to x,y, z.
Intoxicated in their own made beliefs and theories, people do not wish to see the truth and
reality. Surely "Quran is an anguish for such people".
 

Veila Mast

Senator (1k+ posts)
At least I do not find any "conflicting" or "apparent conflicting statements" in Quran. For those
who find such statements for them "Quran is an anguish". What a childish theory we are witnessing
that if there is no partner in the "Mulk" of Allah, then how someone else is granted the "Mulk" by
Allah. These wisdom-blind people should and must think that it is "Allah who is granting
mulk to anyone" where in Quran, Allah has categorically stated that He granted "Ghaib" to x,y, z.
Intoxicated in their own made beliefs and theories, people do not wish to see the truth and
reality. Surely "Quran is an anguish for such people".

At least I do not find any "conflicting" or "apparent conflicting statements" in Quran. For those
who find such statements for them "Quran is an anguish". What a childish theory we are witnessing
that if there is no one but Allah who knows the "Ghaib", then how come He grant the "Ghaib" to
someone else. These wisdom-blind people should and must think that it is "Allah who is granting
GHAIB to His Rasool while in Quran, Allah has categorically stated that "YAH NABI (Rasool Allah Sal Lallah o Wasalam) GHIAB KI BATEIN BATANAY MAIN BUKHEEL NAHI"

Intoxicated in their own made beliefs and theories, people do not wish to see the truth and
reality. Surely "Quran is an anguish for such people".

وَ مَا ہُوَ عَلَی الْغَیۡبِ بِضَنِیۡن

اور یہ نبی غیب بتانے میں بخیل نہیں

(Surah Takweer, Ayat Number 24)
 

babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
At least I do not find any "conflicting" or "apparent conflicting statements" in Quran. For those
who find such statements for them "Quran is an anguish". What a childish theory we are witnessing
that if there is no one but Allah who knows the "Ghaib", then how come He grant the "Ghaib" to
someone else. These wisdom-blind people should and must think that it is "Allah who is granting
GHAIB to His Rasool while in Quran, Allah has categorically stated that "YAH NABI (Rasool Allah Sal Lallah o Wasalam) GHIAB KI BATEIN BATANAY MAIN BUKHEEL NAHI"

Intoxicated in their own made beliefs and theories, people do not wish to see the truth and
reality. Surely "Quran is an anguish for such people".

وَ مَا ہُوَ عَلَی الْغَیۡبِ بِضَنِیۡن

اور یہ نبی غیب بتانے میں بخیل نہیں

(Surah Takweer, Ayat Number 24)

Your childish approach does not seem to have any limit. Now go through all the following information
and let me know if your concept of Ghaib is still not clear. Please bear in mind that this is not
"Saih Bukhairi", Tirmizi, ibne maja or whatever, this is wherein there is no doubt at all:

http://www.quraneasyurdu.net/l00031/unseen/p.html
If anyone after reading all these Quranic verses, still has any iota of doubt in his mind,
then really Quran is an anguish for such people.
 

Raaz

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
crank brov,
u r right but its half truth. there no question about the Allah's complete hold on unseen knowledge or ilam-ul-gaib... there are number of evidences in Quran and in Hadeed as well that indicates Allah (ST) delegates this knowledge of unseen to His love ones. one more thing which should remember before quoting any Ayah or Hadeet that is it's betided time and reason of betide.
1: here is one verse of Quran:
"He possesses the knowledge of unseen (Ghayb) and He does not discloses His Ghayb to anyone except to such a Messenger as He is well-pleased with." (Quran 72:26-27) ..think about this verse

2: if u read story of Khizer AS and Musa AS in Quran,then why Khizer killed the child, why he made hole in boat and why he build a wall ... isn't sort of ilam-e-gaib?
3: i forgot the name of Gazwa where Hazarat Muhammad SAW pointed out the places and marked with His sword where dead bodies of kuffar has to fall down.



i am a common man vvvvv limited knowledge and understanding of Islam. so hope u will give me good ans with stonge arguments.. thanks

You very much right....

Allah is malik of every thing...he could bless anyone anything.....but still the main control is with Allah Talla...

All knowledge we have today is blessing of Allah....and it is very little fraction of the total.....
 
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ek_junoon

Citizen
Let us divide your questions in to two segments.

1- Verses from Surah Al-Jin, I have explained this in the following articles on the claims of Mirza. This is the problem with using conjecture for the teachings of the Holy Quran. Most of the false claimants of Prophethood have made their claims on the basis of same verses. That's why it is such a dangerous issue, it takes you completely out of the pale of Islam if one is not very careful. I keep insisting, think please, why direct speech is selected in the Holy Quran by Allah SWT. And why it has been relayed like the announcement of Prophet SAW to the ummah?

http://antiquadiani.yuku.com/topic/369/Repeat-of-an-Error-By-Mirza

2- I will write a separate post for Khizar As and explain it, Inshallah. Hopefully post it tomorrow.

crank brov, i think now u twisting the debate to another way. i am not interested to know what verse qadeyanies used to plea their case. but i have firm believe that Rasool(SAW) is the last prophet n after that anyone who claims prophet-hood or similar thing is FITNA. here is another proof in Quraan..http://ejang.jang.com.pk//5-9-2011/lahore/images/01_00.gif
 

crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
crank brov, i think now u twisting the debate to another way. i am not interested to know what verse qadeyanies used to plea their case. but i have firm believe that Rasool(SAW) is the last prophet n after that anyone who claims prophet-hood or similar thing is FITNA. here is another proof in Quraan..http://ejang.jang.com.pk//5-9-2011/lahore/images/01_00.gif

First of all, use my full ID, I am not Cranky boy. Secondly, I did not twist anything, Instead of going through the Verses of Surah Al-Jin over and over again, I have given the shortcut to the article where I have explained these verses in detail. Qadiani claim was incidental, the purpose was the explanation.

It does not matter if Qadiani made the claims on the bases of these Verses or someone falsely claimed to have the knowledge of the unseen. The point is same Verses are used by both sets to misguide people. I hope you understand it.
 

crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Veila Mast,

Brother Babadeena has given you a short cut; it takes care of few of your misunderstanding. I will not repeat it, but I will explain Surah Takwir.

This Surah is also used by Qadianis a lot for their own purposes. Isnt surprising, same verses what are quoted on this thread are used by Qadianis to justify the claims of Mirza? Doesnt it give you some insight first of all, why people are misguided by using wrong understanding of these verses, and secondly, where it could take a Muslim?

Surah Takwir is a warning to the Muslims for the Last Hour. The verses at the start drew a sketch of the time approaching the Last Hour.

1- First example that Allah SWT provides the glimpses and examples of His SWT powers as Supreme Being and His SWT unfathomable knowledge through the revelations to the Prophets for human to warn them and guide them, show them their responsibilities both socially and towards Allah SWT for their own benefits, for the hereafter.

2- As we discussed according to the verses of Surah Al-Jin, Allah SWT after choosing the Messengers, had appointed Angels to guard them and the revelations they received, to make sure, the message is delivered to the human, vouchsafed and true to the intended purposes and contents.


3- Therefore, the Messengers including Prophet SAW were the vessels to carry the message of Allah SWT and forward it to the humans for their understanding, following and adherence.

4- Word of God, i.e. the revelations is the knowledge of Allah SWT and not the Prophets/Messengers. Therefore, one has to always keep this in mind. Do not mix it with the knowledge of the Prophets.


5- If the revelations were to be the knowledge of the Prophets and on the basis of these revelations if one claim that Prophets had the knowledge of the unseen (nauzobillah) then one also had to accept that by virtue of these revelations passed on the followers of the Prophets, hence to the whole world, the whole world became the knower of the unseen (nauzobillah).

I think this explanation was necessary for every one to understand my points and understand the background of the verses of the Surah Al-Takwer. I will come back to some of the earlier verses of this Surah later on or may be in a new post, to make another important point.

So Allah SWT explained for our guidance some of the conditions at the time of the Last Hour, whose knowledge is with Allah SWT alone. Like I said if it is claimed this is the knowledge of the Unseen given to Prophet SAW (nauzobillah) then all of us by reading the Holy Quran are knower of the unseen (nauzobillah).

Lets move to Verse 19 of Al-Takwer,

إِنَّهُ لَقَوْلُ رَسُولٍ كَرِيمٍ (81:19)

81:19 behold, this [divine writ] is indeed the [inspired] word of a noble apostle,

In this verse, the Holy Quran is described as the inspired word of a noble apostle. It would be a huge mistake for someone to claim, it proves that the Holy Quran is the word of Prophet SAW (nauzobillah). We all know any such claim; will take one out of the pale of Islam immediately. What it means we all know, it means that the revelations were received by Prophet SAW, and he relayed it to us, for preservation in the shape of the Holy Quran and also memorised by the Muslims. But the Holy Quran is the Word of Allah SWT, revealed through Prophet SAW.

ذِي قُوَّةٍ عِندَ ذِي الْعَرْشِ مَكِينٍ (81:20)

81:20 with strength endowed, secure with Him who in almightiness is enthroned.

The very next verse explains it, that the Holy Quran passed to Prophet SAW by some one endowed with power, i.e. Gabriel AS from Someone Mighty in Power, on the Throne of Almightiness. This is the first mention of Al Arsh in the Holy Quran, signifying the absolute Authority, Sovereignty and Almightiness of Allah SWT.

Now the whole chain for the revelations is explained, through these verses. The Holy Quran is secured with Allah SWT, The Mighty in Power, transmitted to Prophet Muhammad SAW by some one endowed with strength, i.e. Gabriel As, to the mouth of Prophet SAW, who transmitted it to us, completely and in the manner it was revealed to him SAW.

I will skip the next verse which is continuation of 81:20 and move to 81:22.

وَمَا صَاحِبُكُم بِمَجْنُونٍ (81:22)

81:22 For, this fellow-man of yours is not a madman:

It is for Prophet SAW that he SAW is not a madman (nauzobillah). A charge levelled by the Kuffars on Prophet SAW. Allah SWT decreed that Prophet SAW received inspired revelations from Allah SWT through Gabriel AS and he definitely is not a madman (nauzobillah), as claimed by kuffars.

وَلَقَدْ رَآهُ بِالْأُفُقِ الْمُبِينِ (81:23)

81:23 he truly beheld [the angel - beheld] him on the clear horizon;

This verse which is taken as proof of The Miraj of Prophet SAW by some, but anyhow this is not our topic at the moment, so I will concentrate on the issue. It is one of the two incidents in the Holy Quran, which indicates Prophet SAW seeing Gabriel As in his true manifestation.

وَمَا هُوَ عَلَى الْغَيْبِ بِضَنِينٍ (81:24)

81:24 and he is not one to begrudge others the knowledge [of whatever has been revealed to him] out of that which is beyond the reach of human Perception.

Two aspects once again, I will deal with the first one here, the real topic of this Surah, i.e. The Last Hour. So the theme is that Prophet Muhammad SAW job was to pass the revelations to the followers, every Word of it, the way it is intended. Thats why it is said, he SAW does not begrudge passing the revelations to humans, the knowledge revealed through these revelations, the Word of God. A primary duty of every Prophet including our beloved Prophet SAW was to communicate to their followers the revelations and wisdom they received from Allah SWT for the benefits of their followers.

Make no mistakes, the knowledge was with Allah SWT, he has disclosed some of it to us all, through Prophet SAW, who in turn received the revelations through Gabriel, from Allah SWT, The Knower, The Almighty.

The next verse then tells us neither the Holy Quran is the word of any satanic force accursed 81:25 (nauzobillah).

Think please, the brief accounts of the Last Hour and Day of the Judgement have been given in the Holy Quran at many places. There are constant warnings of the Fire too in the Holy Quran for our benefits and teachings. It does not mean that Prophet SAW through those verses or now the Muslims by reading the Holy Quran become knower of the Last Hour. Allah SWT clearly decreed it will come all of a sudden and its knowledge is with Allah SWT alone.

Similarly, brief accounts how Allah SWT Created the Universe or human is given in the Holy Quran, it does not mean, Prophet SAW and we know the deep dark secret of the Creation and the Universe.

The Holy Quran is full of Verses to clarify this point that the Holy Quran is the Word of Allah, it contains the Commands of Allah SWT and the contents of it, the message of it, is the Knowledge of Allah SWT. Prophet Muhammad SAW is a plain warner.


أَوَلَمْ يَتَفَكَّرُواْ مَا بِصَاحِبِهِم مِّن جِنَّةٍ إِنْ هُوَ إِلاَّ نَذِيرٌ مُّبِينٌ (7:184)

7:184 Has it, then, never occurred to them that there is no madness whatever in [this] their fellowman? He is only a plain warner.

Because he enunciated messages of the Holy Quran, like the brief description of Last Hour or Heaven and Hell differed radically from anything to which the Meccans Kuffar had been accustomed to, the Prophet was considered mad by many Kuffars.

The stress is put in the Holy Quran that him SAW being "their fellow-man" (sahibuhum i.e "their companion") is meant to emphasize the fact that he is human, and thus to counteract any possible tendency on the part of his followers to invest him with superhuman qualities or the knowledge of the unseen an argument which is more fully developed in verse 188.


قُل لاَّ أَمْلِكُ لِنَفْسِي نَفْعًا وَلاَ ضَرًّا إِلاَّ مَا شَاء اللّهُ وَلَوْ كُنتُ أَعْلَمُ الْغَيْبَ لاَسْتَكْثَرْتُ مِنَ الْخَيْرِ وَمَا مَسَّنِيَ السُّوءُ إِنْ أَنَاْ إِلاَّ نَذِيرٌ وَبَشِيرٌ لِّقَوْمٍ يُؤْمِنُونَ (7:188)

7:188 Say [O Prophet]: "It is not within my power to bring benefit to, or avert harm from, myself, except as God may please. And if I knew that which is beyond the reach of human perception, abundant good fortune-would surely have fallen to my lot, and no evil would ever have touched me. I am nothing but a warner, and a herald of glad tidings unto people who will believe."

A clear message is given to all of us, that Prophet SAW can not bring benefit to or avert harm from people except as God may please. And he SAW is not the knower of the unseen, but plain and simpl a Warner and herald of glad tidings to the believers.

Consistent warnings were given in the Holy Quran to the Muslims that Prophet SAW is a Nazir and Bashir, the Warner and herald of glad tidings unto those who believe.

17:105 AND AS a guide towards the truth have We bestowed this [revelation] from on high; with this [very] truth has it come down [unto thee, O Prophet]: for We have sent thee but as a herald of glad tidings and a warner,

This verse again emphsise the same message, the message of the Holy Quran the truth is bestowed from high on Prophet SAW and he SAW is sent as herald of glad tidings and as a warner.

I hope it clarifies the issues for everyone.
And Allah SWT knows the best.

If anyone wants to take the issue to towards the Miraj, even then I would be able to answer and explain with clarity Isnahallah.
 

babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
وَ مَا ہُوَ عَلَی الْغَیۡبِ بِضَنِیۡن

اور یہ نبی غیب بتانے میں بخیل نہیں

(Surah Takweer, Ayat Number 24)
If this is the state of affairs of the translation by someone and acceptance by yourself,
then Allah he Hafiz hay about your understanding the Quran. Please care to ask this
worthy translator for which Arabic words he put the red highlighted words into translation.
This is virtual murder of Quran by ignorant. Take my advice if you wish to understand
Quran then take at least as much translations as possible into account and then go
word by word. Your quotation of this sentence from the sequence of sentences is
out of context and wrongly translated.
 

babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
Huh
yes you are right despite having no answer to the question some people keep talking without answers
Depends upon question(s), if they are logical and to the point, all are answered.
I do not resort to cut n paste and always quote from QURAN-UL-HUDA.
 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
There are some questions raised by respected members. May I request all of you to kindly go through my previous post without any bias and Insha-Allah you will find answers to your questions:

1. Allah's Knowledge is Eternal, Prophet's (صلى الله عليه وسلم) Knowledge was not eternal.
2. Allah's Knowledge Is Zaati, Prophet's
(صلى الله عليه وسلم) Knowledge Is Granted (by Allah)
3. Allah's Knowledge Is Infinite, Prophet's (صلى الله عليه وسلم) Knowledge is Finite

Generally known definition of Ilm-e-Ghaib is "Knowledge of Unknown is called Elum e Ghaib"

Correct Definition of Elum e Ghaib is knowledge of unknown WITH OUT ANY SOURCE is called Elum e Ghaib.


First we need to understand the true definition of Ilm-e-Ghaib it will help us in understanding Ayats.


Quran:13.Ar-Ra'd: 8-9

اللَّهُ يَعْلَمُ مَا تَحْمِلُ كُلُّ أُنثَىٰ وَمَا تَغِيضُ الْأَرْحَامُ وَمَا تَزْدَادُ ۖ وَكُلُّ شَيْءٍ عِندَهُ بِمِقْدَارٍ
Yusuf Ali 8: Allah doth know what every female (womb) doth bear, by how much the wombs fall short (of their time or number) or do exceed. Every single thing is before His sight, in (due) proportion.
الله کو معلوم ہے کہ جو کچھ ہر مادہ اپنے پیٹ میں لیے ہوئے ہے اورجو کچھ پیٹ میں سکڑتا اور بڑھتا ہے اور اس کے ہاں ہر چیز کا اندازہ ہے


عَالِمُ الْغَيْبِ وَالشَّهَادَةِ الْكَبِيرُ الْمُتَعَالِ
Yusuf Ali 9: He knoweth the unseen and that which is open: He is the Great, the Most High.
پوشیدہ اور ظاہر کا جاننے والا ہے سب سے بڑا بلند مرتبہ ہے

Quran:Luqman,
31:34

إِنَّ اللَّهَ عِندَهُ عِلْمُ السَّاعَةِ وَيُنَزِّلُ الْغَيْثَ وَيَعْلَمُ مَا فِي الْأَرْحَامِ ۖ وَمَا تَدْرِي نَفْسٌ مَّاذَا تَكْسِبُ غَدًا ۖ وَمَا تَدْرِي نَفْسٌ بِأَيِّ أَرْضٍ تَمُوتُ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ
Yusuf Ali 34: Verily the knowledge of the Hour is with Allah (alone). It is He Who sends down rain, and He Who knows what is in the wombs. Nor does any one know what it is that he will earn on the morrow: Nor does any one know in what land he is to die. Verily with Allah is full knowledge and He is acquainted (with all things).
بے شک الله ہی کو قیامت کی خبر ہے اور وہی مینہ برساتا ہے اور وہی جانتا ہے جو کچھ ماؤں کے پیٹوں میں ہوتا ہے اور کوئی نہیں جانتا کہ کل کیا کرے گا اور کوئی نہیں جانتا کہ کس زمین پر مرے گا بے شک الله جاننے والا خبردار ہے

Here Quran is referring to Elum e Ghaib means no one has the knowledge of Unseen except ALLAH . Allah gave example of Womb of mother that you don,t know what is in womb of mother because you don't know unseen. Like saying that you don't know what is behind wall.

Here source comes :


When u see what is in womb of mother through some source (for example, Ultra sound) then it is no more unseen. You are seeing it through some source then you are telling what is in womb of mother it is not knowledge of unseen because you are knowing it through some source.

Quraan didn't say that u cannot invent such tool which can see that what is in womb of mother. Quraan is referring to unseen.

When your are telling what is happening behind wall and in Afghanistan through media or any other source Then this Elum will not be consider as Elum e Ghaib.


Quran 72:26-27

عَالِمُ الْغَيْبِ فَلَا يُظْهِرُ عَلَىٰ غَيْبِهِ أَحَدًا-إِلَّا مَنِ ارْتَضَىٰ مِن رَّسُولٍ فَإِنَّهُ يَسْلُكُ مِن بَيْنِ يَدَيْهِ وَمِنْ خَلْفِهِ رَصَدًا
Yusuf Ali 26-27: "He (alone) knows the Unseen, nor does He make any one acquainted with His Mysteries,- "Except an apostle whom He has chosen: and then He makes a band of watchers march before him and behind him,
وہ غیب جاننے والا ہے اپنے غائب کی باتوں پر کسی کو واقف نہیں کرتا- مگر اپنے پسندیدہ رسول کو پھراس کے آگے اور پیچھے محافظ مقرر کر دیتا ہے

Quran Al-'Imran, 3:44

ذَ*ٰلِكَ مِنْ أَنبَاءِ الْغَيْبِ نُوحِيهِ إِلَيْكَ ۚ وَمَا كُنتَ لَدَيْهِمْ إِذْ يُلْقُونَ أَقْلَامَهُمْ أَيُّهُمْ يَكْفُلُ مَرْيَمَ وَمَا كُنتَ لَدَيْهِمْ إِذْ يَخْتَصِمُونَ
Yusuf Ali 44: This is part of the tidings of the things unseen, which We reveal unto thee (O Messenger.) by inspiration: Thou wast not with them when they cast lots with arrows, as to which of them should be charged with the care of Mary: Nor wast thou with them when they disputed (the point).
یہ غیب کی خبریں ہیں ہم بذریعہ وحی تمہیں اطلاع دیتے ہیں اورتو ان کے پاس نہیں تھا جب اپنا قلم ڈالنے لگے تھے کہ مریم کی کون پرورش کرے اور تو ان کے پاس نہیں تھا جب کہ وہ جھگڑتے تھے

Today I know what happened with ESSA(a.s) how ADAM(a.s) and HAWA(a.s) expelled from Janat. What will happen after death.These are all news of unseen and Allah gave me this knowledge of unseen and my source is QURAN. I will never say that I have keys of Unseen because am using source and am knowing through some source

Quran:81.At-Takwir: 24

وَمَا هُوَ عَلَى الْغَيْبِ بِضَنِينٍ
Yusuf Ali 24: Neither doth he withhold grudgingly a knowledge of the Unseen.
Shakir 24: Nor of the unseen is he a tenacious concealer.
Pickthal 24: And he is not avid of the Unseen.
Mohsin Khan: 24: And he (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) withholds not a knowledge of the Unseen.
اور وہ غیب کی باتوں پر بخیل نہیں ہے


Quran Anaam, 165:59

وَعِندَهُ مَفَاتِحُ الْغَيْبِ لَا يَعْلَمُهَا إِلَّا هُوَ ۚ وَيَعْلَمُ مَا فِي الْبَرِّ وَالْبَحْرِ ۚ وَمَا تَسْقُطُ مِن وَرَقَةٍ إِلَّا يَعْلَمُهَا وَلَا حَبَّةٍ فِي ظُلُمَاتِ الْأَرْضِ وَلَا رَطْبٍ وَلَا يَابِسٍ إِلَّا فِي كِتَابٍ مُّبِينٍ
Yusuf Ali 59: With Him are the keys of the unseen, the treasures that none knoweth but He. He knoweth whatever there is on the earth and in the sea. Not a leaf doth fall but with His knowledge: there is not a grain in the darkness (or depths) of the earth, nor anything fresh or dry (green or withered), but is (inscribed) in a record clear (to those who can read).
اور اسی کے پاس غیب کی کنجیاں ہیں جنہیں اس کےسوا کوئی نہیں جانتا جو کچھ جنگل اور دریا میں ہے وہ سب جانتا ہے اور کوئی پتہ نہیں گرتا مگر وہ اسے بھی جانتاہے اور کوئی دانہ زمین کے تاریک حصوں میں نہیں پڑتا اور نہ کوئی تر اور خشک چیز ہے مگر یہ سب کچھ کتاب روشن میں ہیں


Quran,Yusuf,12:102

ذَ*ٰلِكَ مِنْ أَنبَاءِ الْغَيْبِ نُوحِيهِ إِلَيْكَ ۖ وَمَا كُنتَ لَدَيْهِمْ إِذْ أَجْمَعُوا أَمْرَهُمْ وَهُمْ يَمْكُرُونَ
Yusuf Ali 102: Such is one of the stories of what happened unseen, which We reveal by inspiration unto thee; nor wast thou (present) with them then when they concerted their plans together in the process of weaving their plots.
یہ غیب کی خبریں کہیں جو ہم تیرے ہاں بھیجتے ہیں اور تو ان کے پاس نہیں تھا جب کہ انہوں نے اپنا ارادہ پکا کر لیا اور وہ تدبیریں کر رہے تھے


In 81:24 ALLAH clearly said that Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم) is not the with-holder of Unseen means he (صلى الله عليه وسلم) don't have the knowledge of unseen rather I am giving him some news and some knowledge of Unseen he (صلى الله عليه وسلم) is getting his knowldege through source through Wahi.

Allah has given him (صلى الله عليه وسلم) some special limited knowledge which was unseen for Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم). Whole QURAN was totally unseen but Allah gave Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم) that unseen knowledge . Muhammad
(صلى الله عليه وسلم) source was different and our source was Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم).

Nither We nor Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم) got knowledge without any Source. Sourceless and unlimited knowledge of Unseen is only with Allah and which is real Elum e Ghaib.


Some people in Josh of "Ishq e Rasool" and in reality in hatred of some sect

do GHULU openly say that Nabi (صلى الله عليه وسلم) knwowledge was LA-MEHDOOD Limitless and his own Which is pure Shirk e Akbar


O People of the Kitaab! Do not commit ghulu' (excess) in your Deen and do not speak about Allah, but the Haqq (truth)
(Surah Nisaa, 4:171)


يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ لَا تَغْلُوا فِي دِينِكُمْ وَلَا تَقُولُوا عَلَى اللَّهِ إِلَّا الْحَقَّ ۚ إِنَّمَا الْمَسِيحُ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ وَكَلِمَتُهُ أَلْقَاهَا إِلَىٰ مَرْيَمَ وَرُوحٌ مِّنْهُ ۖ فَآمِنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِ ۖ وَلَا تَقُولُوا ثَلَاثَةٌ ۚ انتَهُوا خَيْرًا لَّكُمْ ۚ إِنَّمَا اللَّهُ إِلَـٰهٌ وَاحِدٌ ۖ سُبْحَانَهُ أَن يَكُونَ لَهُ وَلَدٌ ۘ لَّهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ ۗ وَكَفَىٰ بِاللَّهِ وَكِيلًا
Yusuf Ali 171: O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. (Surah Nisaa, 4:171)
اے اہِل کتاب تم اپنے دین میں حد سے نہ نکلو اور الله کی شان میں سوائے پکی بات کے نہ کہو بے شک مسیح عیسیٰ مریم کا بیٹا الله کا رسول ہے اور الله کا ایک کلمہ ہےجسے الله نے مریم تک پہنچایا اور الله کی طرف سے ایک جان ہے سو الله پر اور اس کے سب رسولوں پر ایمان لاؤ اور نہ کہو کہ خدا تین ہیں اس بات کو چھوڑ دو تمہارے لیے بہتر ہو گا بے شک الله اکیلا معبود ہے وہ اس سے پاک ہے اس کی اولاد ہو اسی کا ہے جو کچھ آسمانوں میں ہے اور جو کچھ زمین میں ہے اور الله کارساز کافی ہے

In Short

1. Allah's Knowledge is Eternal, Prophet's
(صلى الله عليه وسلم) Knowledge was not eternal.
2. Allah's Knowledge Is Zaati, Prophet's
(صلى الله عليه وسلم) Knowledge Is Granted (by Allah)
3. Allah's Knowledge Is Infinite, Prophet's (صلى الله عليه وسلم) Knowledge is Finite
 
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