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crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Yeah, capable people, even I can predict, if Imran Khan comes to power Pakistan would be in better conditions. All of us hope and pray for that. Why don't you answer the simple questions.

1- Is there any historical record showing this is the writings of Naimat Shah?
2- Can anyone have the knowledge of the Unseen (nauzobillah) when according to the Holy Quran Prophet SAW didn't have this ability? just answer it, or deny the verse of the Holy Quran.
 

crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
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Scholarly enquiry???? and you!!! (omg)
Wud be interesting to see...

I hope you can put your inner bias aside when you do some "scholarly research" and achieve at least some quality to qualify to read :) ...

If quoting from the Holy Quran the Decrees of Allah SWT is inner bias, then I am proud of that bias. Or not belonging to any Sect is an inner bias, then I am proud of it too, it will save me from the fire. If these two are not inner biases, then you should tell me what bias?

If you mean, bias about Zaid Hamid, then yes, I consider him to be a liar and misguided person. I have good reasons to believe it. I will present undeniable proofs, ask for his response, and we will see who will succeed. Let's hope he has the courage to go toe to toe with me. It is my challenge if the liar have the guts to stand up to me, I will destroy his lies without shadow of any doubt.

Well, I have far better quality than most, especially those you believe. On the forum I write quickly so naturally mistakes or errors happen.
 

Raaz

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
You means to say, Prophet SAW didn't have that connection (Nauzobillah)? Why you think Allah SWT decreed and ordered by addressing Prophet SAW "QUl"? And then through the first speech of Prophet Muhammad declared that he SAW does not have the "Khazian" and " "AlimulGhaib"?

You are trying to tell the Muslims Allah SWT didn't tell us about the server to get hooked and more importantly to Prophet Muhammad SAW and declare in the Holy Quran Prophet Muhammad SAW didno't have the knowledge of the unseen? Or that was for just Prophet Muhammad SAW, but far lesser people are free to get hooked to the Server, and can claim Allah SWT has given them the gift (nauzobillah)?

Thats why I repeatedly given the example of "Maisaq un Nabeen" from the Holy Quran. Not even Prophets can be superior to Prophet Muhammad SAW according to the decrees in the Holy Quran. What are these people compare to the Prophets?

Say "Astagfraullah", May Allah SWT show you the right path. Please read the last portion of the Verse 7:187, Allah SWT decreed, if people ask you (SAW) please find out with persistent inquiry, the answer given, "knowledge there of remains with thy Sustainer".

Now tell me who can get connection to the server (nauzobillah) with persistent inquiry , compare to Prophet SAW?

Not like that...

Thanks for advises....

Please read Surah Kahaf and the description of Khizer and Musa AS....

and get the inside story and inside system of Allah by himself....
 

ahmadalikhan

MPA (400+ posts)
Yeah, capable people, even I can predict, if Imran Khan comes to power Pakistan would be in better conditions. All of us hope and pray for that. Why don't you answer the simple questions.

1- Is there any historical record showing this is the writings of Naimat Shah?
2- Can anyone have the knowledge of the Unseen (nauzobillah) when according to the Holy Quran Prophet SAW didn't have this ability? just answer it, or deny the verse of the Holy Quran.

Yes, many authentic sources,

1- Naimat ullah qaseeda first time published in 1851 in Calcutta by Shah Wali Ullah's grandson Shah Ismail Shaheed after death by his followers (means it is published then, his followers had this before as some other mean)
It is published at the end of Shah Ismail Shaheed book "Arbaeen". Shah Ismail book is very authentic as he is reliable and mujahid person. read about him
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shah_Ismail_Shaheed

2- Mumtaz Muft book Alakh Nagri reffering some bait see below link
mumtaz-mufti-book-alakh-nagri.html
http://spiritual-pakistan-future.blogspot.com/2011/01/mumtaz-mufti-book-alakh-nagri.html

3- Saif-e-Chistiai by Hazrat Meher Ali shah sb (1930), read book below
http://www.scribd.com/doc/52768914/saif-chistiai

4- Prof Ahmad Rafeeq Akhtar in many of his book (I forgot book name), see below link
publication.php
http://alamaat.info/publication.php

5. Oriya Maqbool Jaan two columns which i read
Plz Must read below two columns
oriya-maqbool-jaan-express-newspaper.html
http://spiritual-pakistan-future.blogspot.com/2011/02/oriya-maqbool-jaan-express-newspaper.html

oriya-maqbool-jaan-express-newspaper.html
http://spiritual-pakistan-future.blogspot.com/2011/01/oriya-maqbool-jaan-express-newspaper.html
 
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ahmadalikhan

MPA (400+ posts)
Book Saif e Chishtiai Page 227 , One bait is mentioned there, as Pir Meher Ali Shah (who wrote famous naat, Mathe chamke Laat noorani ae...Kithe maher Ali kithe teri sana , ghustak akhen kithe ja lariya)

Pir Meher ali r.a. worte this book to expose Mirza ghulam ahmad qadiani bcos mirza call himself imam and hazrat issa (nauzbillah) so Pir Meher Ali Shah Sahib wrote complete book against him and also explained a bait of Hazrat Naimat Ullah Shah Wali. its 1928-30

Allama Iqbal also pointed this bait in his poetry . here Iqbal definitely mentioned Hazarat namait Ullah Shah Wali Bait
(Ablees ki majlis e shura from Armaghan e Hijaz, published in 1938)


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here Allama Iqbal mentions similar thing (although Allama Iqbal mentioned it differently for different purpose) as Pir Meher Ali Shah r.a. said in Saif -e-Chistiai (Explaining Naimat Ullah Shah Wali bait/shair about Hazat Imam Mehdi and Hazrat Issa A.S)
 
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ahmadalikhan

MPA (400+ posts)
Mumtaz Mufti mentioned a buzurh Haji Abdul Mabood who took part in 1857 war who was eye witness of these events (he was 17-18 of age then) he died at the age of 162 n buried in Islamabad. Mumtaz mufti and Qudrat Ullah sb met him in 1960s Hazrat Abdul Mabood (khalifa of Hazrat Imdadullah Muhajir Makki of Makkah Mukkarmah), H8 Graveyard Hazrat's blessed grave is adjacent to Hazrat Qudratullah Shahab's blessed grave.
 

Raaz

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Mumtaz Mufti mentioned a buzurh Haji Abdul Mabood who took part in 1857 war who was eye witness of these events (he was 17-18 of age then) he died at the age of 162 n buried in Islamabad. Mumtaz mufti and Qudrat Ullah sb met him in 1960s Hazrat Abdul Mabood (khalifa of Hazrat Imdadullah Muhajir Makki of Makkah Mukkarmah), H8 Graveyard Hazrat's blessed grave is adjacent to Hazrat Qudratullah Shahab's blessed grave.
The votng against Pakistan by jamat e islami and Ahle Hadees people shows that they dont know proper information...There is some thing in missing in their mind.....

It is not their fault..every one is not equal....They r right too.....but have less capability and unable to look inside story......
 

drkjke

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Nobody has the knowledge of unseen (غیب) except Allah

Have you ever thought....Why Allah did not give power to Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) to have knowledge of unseen (علم الغیب) but still there are Muslims who believe that Peer, Walis, Durwaish has the knowledge of unseen (علم الغیب) despite the Qur'aanic verse:

قُل لَّا يَعْلَمُ مَن فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ الْغَيْبَ إِلَّا اللَّهُ ۚ وَمَا يَشْعُرُونَ أَيَّانَ يُبْعَثُونَ​

Yusuf Ali 65: Say: None in the heavens or on earth, except Allah, knows what is hidden: nor can they perceive when they shall be raised up (for Judgment). [Al-Naml 27:65]
کہہ دے الله کے سوا آسمانوں اور زمین میں کوئی بھی غیب کی بات نہیں جانتا اور انہیں اس کی بھی خبر نہیں کہ کب اٹھائے جائیں گے


The correct believe is only Allah informs his Messengers, whenever he wants to, via Wahee (وحی) about Ghaib. Hence Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) would not know about Ghaib (غیب) unless Allah informs him (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم).

Following Hadeeth narrates once Bibi Aisha (Razi Allah Talah Unhun) was wrongly accused and Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) were very worried and had no way of knowing the truth until Allah revealed the Verses (concerning the matter):

Narrated Masruq: I asked Um Ruman, 'Aisha's mother about the accusation forged against 'Aisha. She said, "While I was sitting with 'Aisha, an Ansari woman came to us and said, 'Let Allah condemn such-and-such person.' I asked her, 'Why do you say so?' She replied, 'For he has spread the (slanderous) story.' 'Aisha said, 'What story?' The woman then told her the story. 'Aisha asked, 'Have Abu Bakr and Allah's Apostle heard about it ?' She said, 'Yes.' 'Aisha fell down senseless (on hearing that), and when she came to her senses, she got fever and shaking of the body. The Prophet came and asked, 'What is wrong with her?' I said, 'She has got fever because of a story which has been rumored.' 'Aisha got up and said, 'By Allah! Even if I took an oath, you would not believe me, and if I put forward an excuse, You would not excuse me. My example and your example is just like that example of Jacob and his sons. Against that which you assert, it is Allah (Alone) Whose Help can be sought.' (12.18) The Prophet left and then Allah revealed the Verses (concerning the matter), and on that 'Aisha said, 'Thanks to Allah (only) and not to anybody else." (Sahih Bukhari, Book #55, Hadith #602)

The correct believe is that the Silsila of Wahee (وحی) has been discontinued since the death of Prophet Muhhamd (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم). Hence anybody who claims that he has revelation from Allah about Ghaib (غیب) is Kazzaab (کذاب).

There are very serious implication of holding wrong belief is that many hopefuls, Durwaish, Peer, Wali, have launched their religious careers (fan following) by making claim that they have the knowledge of unseen (غیب). Almost all our Sufi ‘saints’ have established their credibility, and their thrones, by doing this. They first claim to have seen the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in their dreams, then they say they are in direct contact with him, then they claim they have been divinely inspired, and then they build their economic empires which they leave to their successors.



yes its correct that knowledge of unseen is with allah alone

but prophet sallalahu alihe wasallum said that a pious persons dreams are one fortieth part of prophetic knowledge given to prophets,
so its truth too that wahtever little part of knowledge allah wills he gives to some pious people so they can warn this ummah!!!!
in case of naimat shah wali his most prophecies came true so probably his remaining prophecies will also come true inshalah

naimat shah wali was very pious man and his grade we may not know only allah knows.
but let me give one example .before last years floods some pious people saw dreams of flood!similar thing happened before 2005 earthquake in pakistan!!!!both time these few people warned of the azaab before it happned so that people may repent to allah and return to islam.but people did not do that
so i witnessed these things with my own eyes,these true dreams and visions are allahs blessings on this ummah whereby he probably warns this ummah to mend their ways before an azaab strikes.

so absolute and final knowledge of unseen only and only allah subhanahu has
but
allah gives some pious people some parts of his knowledge so this ummah can be warned!
i am not talking about those pseudo charasis who claim to be visionaries.those people who are really pious usually stay away from mainstream!
anyway
let me give one example
a doctor tells by ultra sound that pregnant womans uterus has male or female child!would you consider this that astaghfirulah this doctor now is equal to allah in grade?no !!!!its because allah gave a little bit of knowledge to this human , what little he willed.
so a doctor knows that a pregnant lady has a male or female child in her but this same doctor will never know how long this child will live or how his or her life would be!!!this only allah knows
allahs knowledge is supreme and absolute.but humanitys knowledge is whatever part allah wills to be given to these humans.

so naimat shah walis many prophecies coming true are due to
1....allah gives little part of his knowledge to some pious people
2...naimat shah wali took many of his prophecies from ahaadeeth of our beloved prophet muhammad sallalahu alihe wasallum!and these hadeeth are always accurate as our prophet said the things which allah revealed onto him
!
simple!!!1
and naimat shah walis last prophecy that mujahideen from afghan and tribal area will attack in a swarm on kufar and munafiqs is already coming true inshalah.its in last stages of fulfillment!inshalah



now some ahaadeeth and discussions about above topic of pious muslims dreams being one fortieth part of the prophethood
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Yahya related from Malik from Ishaq ibn Abdullah ibn Abi Talha al-Ansari from Anas ibn Malik that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "The good dream of a man who is salih is a forty-sixth part of prophecy." Yahya related the like of that to me from Malik from Abu'z-Zinad from al-Araj from Abu Hurayra from the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace. Maliks Muwatta Book 52, Number 52.1.1
True dreams are a part of Prophethood, as it was reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “True dreams are one of the forty-six parts of Prophethood.” (al-Bukhaari, 6472; Muslim, 4201)
Ayesha (may Allah be pleased with her) said: "The first revelation that was granted to the Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) was the true dream in a state of sleep,’ so that he never dreamed a dream but the truth of it shone forth like the dawn of the morning...."



The Meaning of Dream Being a Part of Nubuwwah: An Explanation

In this kind, which is true and correct and which has been declared to be a part of prophethood in authentic prophetic Traditions, the narrations of Hadith differ. In some, it has been identified as the fortieth part, while in some others, the forty-sixth. There are other narrations as well in which its being the forty-ninth, fiftieth and seventieth part has been reported. All these narrations have been compiled together in Tafsir al-Qurtubi where, following the investigative judgement of Ibn 'Abd al-Barr, it has been established that there is no contradiction among them, in fact, each narration is correct in its place. As for the numerical variation in determining the parts, it depends upon the different attending conditions of those seeing the dream. Whoever is armed with the quality of truth, trust, honesty and is perfect of faith shall be the one whose dream will be the fortieth part of Nubuwwah. And whoever ranks somewhat lesser in these qualities, his will be the forty-sixth or fiftieth part of it, and whoever is still lesser, his dream will be the seventieth part of Nubuwwah.


and allah knows the best
 
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Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Nobody has the knowledge of unseen (غیب) except Allah

yes its correct that knowledge of unseen is with allah alone

but prophet sallalahu alihe wasallum said that a pious persons dreams are one fortieth part of prophetic knowledge given to prophets,
so its truth too that wahtever little part of knowledge allah wills he gives to some pious people so they can warn this ummah!!!!
in case of naimat shah wali his most prophecies came true so probably his remaining prophecies will also come true inshalah

Try to understand our beloved Prophet Muhammad pbuh with 100 part of prophetic knowledge were not given the knowledge of unseen then how these walis can claim to have the knowledge of unseen.
 

Knowledge Seeker

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Nobody has the knowledge of unseen (غیب) except Allah

Try to understand our beloved Prophet Muhammad pbuh with 100 part of prophetic knowledge were not given the knowledge of unseen then how these walis can claim to have the knowledge of unseen.

What kind of knowledge was given to our beloved Prophet (pbuh) in his blessed journey of Mairaj??

As this thread is about Kashaf of Pious person so let me know one thing:

Do you believe that concept of Kashaf is not permissible in Islam??

Note:This time don't engage yourself in copy-paste job as usuall, Quote my questions seperately, Try to be specific and give me answers in your own words according to your understanding about this subject.
 

ahmadalikhan

MPA (400+ posts)
bro Pakistani1947, Dont say this that Holy Prophet (PBUM) didn't know the future events, All the Ahadees related to Dajjal and Qayamat tell us that Our Beloved Prophet (PBUM) knew these events. Hum qayamat ki nishaniyan Ahadees mein se lete hain brother.

Lets come back to Hazrat Naimat ullah Shah's predictions, in year 2011/2012 following predictions will start happening. We are all witness this whether these happen or not. and in year 2013 we will discuss this again.

Here Garb means Pakistan (Western Pakistan , Magarbi Pakistan)


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samar

Minister (2k+ posts)
جیسا کہ کافی عرصہ سے ہم سب نعمت شاہ ولی کی پیشن گوئیاں زید حامد اور اوریا مقبول جان جیسے لوگوں کی زبانی سن رہے ہیں مگر اتفاق سے کل مجھے نعمت شاہ ولی کا کلام پڑھنے کا شرف حاصل ہوا یقین جانیے حیرت سے ہکا بکا رہ گیا نعمت شاہ ولی کے کلام کے چند آخری صفحات میں زمانہ حال کا ذکر ہے جس کے مطابق امریکی فوج افغانستان سے واپس نہیں جا پا یے گی اور گزوہ ہند ہونے ہی والی ہے

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is fraudie zaid hamid ka naam na lia karo kazzab ka chahney vala munafik IsI ka agent armi ka pithoo.
 

samar

Minister (2k+ posts)
brother Allah knows best ............................

Brother jo aap ne post kee he vo to futur ki he vahan ziada munasib tha ye kehna k Allah knows best !!!!!!!!

jo baat me ne kee he vo mazey ore haal me he hm yahan kion ankhain bnd kr letey hain jabkey future ki hm batain kr rahey hain.............

Beshak Allah knows best lakin mazee ore haal (i mean zaid zaman hamid ore yousaf kazzab related) to hm b jantey hain us se inkaar kion krain.
 

Salik

Senator (1k+ posts)
If quoting from the Holy Quran the Decrees of Allah SWT is inner bias, then I am proud of that bias. Or not belonging to any Sect is an inner bias, then I am proud of it too, it will save me from the fire. If these two are not inner biases, then you should tell me what bias?

If you mean, bias about Zaid Hamid, then yes, I consider him to be a liar and misguided person. I have good reasons to believe it. I will present undeniable proofs, ask for his response, and we will see who will succeed. Let's hope he has the courage to go toe to toe with me. It is my challenge if the liar have the guts to stand up to me, I will destroy his lies without shadow of any doubt.

Well, I have far better quality than most, especially those you believe. On the forum I write quickly so naturally mistakes or errors happen.


I think others are keeping you quite busy here.... so I will stay aside...

Quran and Hadith are the most authentic sources.... and without believing in them... we can't have our eman complete...

The point which is important here... is what is GHAIB...

I think you should actually research more into it....

Best of luck...

Iqbal said...

آنكھ جو دیكھتی ہے لب پہ آسكتا نہیں
حیران ہوں یہ دنیا كیا سے كیا ہو جائے گی۔۔۔

Naimatullah Shah wali RA started his discourses as ... می بینم۔۔ (I see)

Probably that was not Ghaib for them...

What is ghaib for one person is not ghaib for another...

If Nostradamus can have glimpses of future in his water bowl why can't Awlia of Allah SWT??

Any way... it is probably not a matter of belief it is a matter of understanding...

ZH is not my ideal... so you can think of him what ever u like...

and He knows the best... and I ask His forgiveness for any errors..
 
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crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Yes, many authentic sources,

1- Naimat ullah qaseeda first time published in 1851 in Calcutta by Shah Wali Ullah's grandson Shah Ismail Shaheed after death by his followers (means it is published then, his followers had this before as some other mean)
It is published at the end of Shah Ismail Shaheed book "Arbaeen". Shah Ismail book is very authentic as he is reliable and mujahid person. read about him
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shah_Ismail_Shaheed

2- Mumtaz Muft book Alakh Nagri reffering some bait see below link
mumtaz-mufti-book-alakh-nagri.html
http://spiritual-pakistan-future.blogspot.com/2011/01/mumtaz-mufti-book-alakh-nagri.html

3- Saif-e-Chistiai by Hazrat Meher Ali shah sb (1930), read book below
http://www.scribd.com/doc/52768914/saif-chistiai

4- Prof Ahmad Rafeeq Akhtar in many of his book (I forgot book name), see below link
publication.php
http://alamaat.info/publication.php

5. Oriya Maqbool Jaan two columns which i read
Plz Must read below two columns
oriya-maqbool-jaan-express-newspaper.html
http://spiritual-pakistan-future.blogspot.com/2011/02/oriya-maqbool-jaan-express-newspaper.html

oriya-maqbool-jaan-express-newspaper.html
http://spiritual-pakistan-future.blogspot.com/2011/01/oriya-maqbool-jaan-express-newspaper.html

Please don't worry about the other stuff, I have gone through all that two weeks back, When I research I try my best to look at everything possible and available.

There is only one thing in your post worth commenting.

You said it was written first time in 1851 by his Grandson, Ismail Shaheed.
You mean before 1851 there is no trace of it?
When did Naimat Ullah lived and died, and when he wrote this Qaseeda?
Is there any evidence this Qaseeda going back to that period?
Is there any manuscript before 1851?

I will be glad if you could provide me the answers. I can assure you, I am looking for answers, truthfully. If you can prove it to me it was written in Naimatullah Times and there are manuscripts of it, or chain of command going back to him, I would be happy.

Problem for you my friend, even 1851 does not solve any problems for you. Another problem can you even produce the text from 1851?

We Muslims made every effort to check the authenticity of Hadiths and spend centuries in their authentications and checking that the chain goes back to Prophet Muhammad SAW.

If we have taken this much efforts for the Sayings of Prophet SAW, then why you think I should accept the writings of Naimatullah without checking the credibility of the documents and chain of command going back to Naimatullah?
Just because Zaid Hamid is quoting them?
 

Cheeko

Minister (2k+ posts)
You means to say, Prophet SAW didn't have that connection (Nauzobillah)? Why you think Allah SWT decreed and ordered by addressing Prophet SAW "QUl"? And then through the first speech of Prophet Muhammad declared that he SAW does not have the "Khazian" and " "AlimulGhaib"?

You are trying to tell the Muslims Allah SWT didn't tell us about the server to get hooked and more importantly to Prophet Muhammad SAW and declare in the Holy Quran Prophet Muhammad SAW didno't have the knowledge of the unseen? Or that was for just Prophet Muhammad SAW, but far lesser people are free to get hooked to the Server, and can claim Allah SWT has given them the gift (nauzobillah)?

Thats why I repeatedly given the example of "Maisaq un Nabeen" from the Holy Quran. Not even Prophets can be superior to Prophet Muhammad SAW according to the decrees in the Holy Quran. What are these people compare to the Prophets?

Say "Astagfraullah", May Allah SWT show you the right path. Please read the last portion of the Verse 7:187, Allah SWT decreed, if people ask you (SAW) please find out with persistent inquiry, the answer given, "knowledge there of remains with thy Sustainer".

Now tell me who can get connection to the server (nauzobillah) with persistent inquiry , compare to Prophet SAW?

Kindly try reading Quran and Hadees with an open mind next time instead of cherry picking to serve your personal agenda and interests.

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[FONT=verdana,geneva]Allah Subhan Wa Taalah says in Quran:

[FONT=verdana,geneva](He is) Knower of the unseen, and He does not disclose His [knowledge of the] unseen to anyone [72:26] Except whom He has approved of messengers, and indeed, He sends before each messenger and behind him observers [72:27][/FONT][/FONT]



[FONT=verdana,geneva]And if it was not for the favor of Allah upon you, [O Muhammad], and His mercy, a group of them would have determined to mislead you. But they do not mislead except themselves, and they will not harm you at all. And Allah has revealed to you the Book and wisdom and has taught you that which you did not know. And ever has the favor of Allah upon you been great [4:113][/FONT]


[FONT=verdana,geneva]That is from the news of the unseen which We reveal to you, [O Muhammad]. And you were not with them when they cast their pens as to which of them should be responsible for Mary. Nor were you with them when they disputed [3:44][/FONT]


[FONT=verdana,geneva]Allah would not leave the believers in that [state] you are in [presently] until He separates the evil from the good. Nor would Allah reveal to you the unseen. But [instead], Allah chooses of His messengers whom He wills, so believe in Allah and His messengers. And if you believe and fear Him, then for you is a great reward [3:179][/FONT]



[FONT=verdana,geneva]In the light of Hadis[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana,geneva]Hadis no 1[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,geneva]Narrated Mu'adh ibn Jabal:[FONT=verdana,geneva]Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) was detained one morning from observing the dawn prayer (in congregation) along with us till the sun had almost appeared on the horizon. He then came out hurriedly and Iqamah for prayer was observed and he conducted it (prayer) in brief form. When he had concluded the prayer by saying As-salamu alaykum wa Rahmatullah, he called out to us saying: Remain in your places as you were. Then turning to us he said: I am going to tell you what detained me from you (on account of which I could not join you in the prayer) in the morning. I got up in the night and performed ablution and observed the prayer as had been ordained for me. I dozed in my prayer till I was overcome by (sleep) and lo and lo, I found myself in the presence of my Lord, the Blessed and the Glorious, in the best form. He said: Muhammad! I said: At Thy service, my Lord. He said: What these highest angels contend about? I said: I do not know. He repeated it thrice. He said: Then I saw Him put his palms between my shoulder blades till I felt the coldness of his fingers between the two sides of my chest. Then everything was illuminated for me and I recognized everything. He said: Muhammad! I said: At Thy service, my Lord. He said: What do these high angels contend about? I said: In regard to expiations. He said: What are these? I said: Going on foot to join congregational prayers, sitting in the mosques after the prayers, performing ablution well despite difficulties. He again said: Then what do they contend? I said: In regard to the ranks. He said: What are these? I said: Providing of food, speaking gently, observing the prayer when the people are asleep. He again said to me: Beg (Your Lord) and say: O Allah, I beg of Thee (power) to do good deeds, and abandon abominable deeds, to love the poor, that Thou forgive me and show mercy to me and when Thou intendst to put people to trial Thou causes me to die unblemished and I beg of Thee Thy love and the love of one who loves Thee and the love for the deed which brings me near to Thy love. Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: It is a truth, so learn it and teach it [Sunnan Tirimdhi Volume 5 Hadis No 3235]


[FONT=verdana,geneva]Hadis no 2[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,geneva]Narrated 'Umar:One day the Prophet stood up amongst us for a long period and informed us about the beginning of creation (and talked about everything in detail) till he mentioned how the people of Paradise will enter their places and the people of Hell will enter their places. Some remembered what he had said, and some forgot it [Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 414][/FONT]


[FONT=verdana,geneva]Hadis no 3[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,geneva]The Prophet once delivered a speech in front of us wherein he left nothing but mentioned (about) everything that would happen till the Hour. Some of us stored that our minds and some forgot it. (After that speech) I used to see events taking place (which had been referred to in that speech) but I had forgotten them (before their occurrence). Then I would recognize such events as a man recognizes another man who has been absent and then sees and recognizes him [[FONT=verdana,geneva]Sahih Bukhari Volume 008, Book 077, Hadith Number 601][/FONT]


[FONT=verdana,geneva]Hadis no 4[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,geneva]The Prophet once climbed the mountain of Uhud with Abu Bakr, 'Umar and 'Uthman. The mountain shook with them. The Prophet said (to the mountain), "Be firm, O Uhud! For on you there are no more than a Prophet, a Siddiq and two martyrs." [Sahih Bukhari Volume 5 Number 24][/FONT]

[FONT=verdana,geneva]The Prophet Salallaho Alaihi wa-Alihi Wasalam knew that Hazrat Umar R.A and Hazrat Uthman R.A will be Martyrs.[/FONT]


[FONT=verdana,geneva]Hadis no 5[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,geneva]Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) stood before us one day and he did not leave anything unsaid (that he had to say) at that very spot which would happen (in the shape of turmoil) up to the Last Hour. Those who had to remember them preserved them in their minds and those who could not remember them forgot them. My friends knew them and there are certain things which slip out of my mind, but I recapitulate them when anyone makes a mention of them just as a person is lost from one's mind but is recalled to him on seeing his face [Sahih Muslim Book 041, Number 6909][/FONT]


[FONT=verdana,geneva]Hadis no 6[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,geneva]The Prophet had informed the people of the martyrdom of Zaid, Ja'far and Ibn Rawaha before the news of their death reached. The Prophet said, "Zaid took the flag (as the commander of the army) and was martyred, then Ja'far took it and was martyred, and then Ibn Rawaha took it and was martyred." At that time the Prophet's eyes were shedding tears. He added, "Then the flag was taken by a Sword amongst the Swords of Allah (i.e. Khalid) and Allah made them (i.e. the Muslims) victorious [Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 561][/FONT]



[FONT=verdana,geneva]Hadis no 7[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,geneva]Narated By Abu Musa:The Prophet was asked about things which he did not like, but when the questioners insisted, the Prophet got angry. He then said to the people, "Ask me anything you like." A man asked, "Who is my father?" The Prophet replied, "Your father is Hudhafa." Then another man got up and said, "Who is my father, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "Your father is Salim, Maula (the freed slave) of Shaiba." So when 'Umar saw that (the anger) on the face of the Prophet he said, "O Allah's Apostle! We repent to Allah (Our offending you)." [Sahih Bukhari Volume 001, Book 003, Hadith Number 092][/FONT]





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Salik

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Nobody has the knowledge of unseen (غیب) except Allah

What kind of knowledge was given to our beloved Prophet (pbuh) in his blessed journey of Mairaj??

As this thread is about Kashaf of Pious person so let me know one thing:

Do you believe that concept of Kashaf is not permissible in Islam??

Note:This time don't engage yourself in copy-paste job as usuall, Quote my questions seperately, Try to be specific and give me answers in your own words according to your understanding about this subject.

Just one point my dear.... Umer RA warned Saria RA when he was hundreds of miles away in a battle .... I think you would like to classify this as Kashf?? and paranormal communication... In any case this shows if it wouldnt have been permitted in Islam... Umer RA would be the last person to do it...
 

crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I think you should actually research more into it...
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I promise you I have, thats why I am very confident. I have not seen many passing the first hurdles of the Holy Quran.

All of you are avoiding my simple questions, does any one has more higher status than Prophet SAW? If your answer is no, then your game is over. Quran clearly decreed, he SAW did not have knowledge of the unseen or the hour.
Pass that hurdle first the discussion on the rest can wait.

Naimatullah Shah wali RA started his discourses as ... می بینم۔۔ (I see)
This could be the conjecture of those who produced the books, or your conjecture. Show me with 100% certainty that Naimatullah wrote it.

If Nostradamus can have glimpses of future in his water bowl why can't Awlia of Allah SWT??

This is preceisly the problem, you really think Nostradamus saw the future? Do you believe in him? You think he was more superior to Prophet Muhammad SAW (nauzobillah) that he could see the future, and have the knowledge of the unseen, but Prophet SAW, according to the Holy Quran did not have that knowledge?

Or you are of the opinion that the verses of the Holy Quran I quoted are not correct (nauzobillah) or relevant (nauzobillah)?
 
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