Why do I think Pakistan will do better than India in the coming years

[Renegade]

Let's be factual here.
How many wars have been started by States of Islam? None I think. Crusades were the last ones and 2 of them were started by Christians.
WWI & WWII for political reasons, all the wars US has been involved in which are more than 50 since it's creation were for political reasons, European wars for political reasons, Iraq Iran war was political in nature.
The current ISIS and whatever crap they call themselves are NOT states but rogue elements. So just because a successfull man is ignorant or does not have more than propaganda information & superficial knowledge of something is not an argument for any one.

Crusades, Inquisitions, Jihads; ISIS, Taliban, Klu Klux Klan, Saffron terrorists...all such derive inspiration from their religion. My point for naming Islam was because it's the religion of this country. Pakistanis are very emotional about religion and are easier targets for brainwashing; we see Shia-Sunni violence and terrorism because of this brainwashing. I see Religion as the main obstacle to Pakistan's path to progress (we don't suffer from any other supremacist ideologies); it simply cannot progress unless it's project itself as a tolerant state.


Surely a man who has ruled his country for about 30 years, and turned it one of the best states in the world, would have more than just a superficial knowledge.

 

[Qarar]

The thread is titled as "Why do I think Pakistan will do better than India in the coming years", but there is nothing in the article that highlights, explains, or rationalizes why that would happen. Do we see any financial, political or social indicators that help us arrive at that conclusion? The thread started didn't mention a single item. All he has done is play a victim card that the world has treats Pakistan unjustly and unfairly. If a fair share of assets was not awarded to Pakistan, that was in 1947. This is 2015, and lot of water has passed under the bridges. If a nation has not been able to establish itself in almost seventy years, some might think, it never will.

The way I see it, Pakistan's future is rather gloomy. The religious intolerance and sectarianism is growing day by day, which is creating such a horrendous law and order situation that no foreigner will consider his investment safe in Pakistan. Both China and India offer cheap labor and safe working environment and that attracted a lot foreign investment. Pakistan can offer the same but a foreigner can't even step foot in Pakistan let alone stay here and set up factories.

As far as beating India, I will say that there is no restriction on dreams!

 

[Star Gazer]

It is more a hypothesis than observations. I am all for patriotism and optimism as long as it does not push towards a delusional all good dream world.

We should not be competing india by the way , their system and progress is far from good. India might be trying to show their shining bright face to the world but the truth of the matter is that their progress is only for the higher middle class and high class , the gulf between higher middle and lower middle class is widening and so is the bandwidth of lower middle class and low class.

Afarad se banti he aqwam ki taqdeer
Her ferd he millat ke muqaddar ka sitara

Lets talk about pakistan now. There is no dearth of talent in pakistan and we witness it every other day when see a student tops some foreign exam. Our doctors are well reputed abroad and scientists (though are relatively far behind) arent too bad either given they have to through this system. But most of our bright talent flee the country seeing little or no hope of a future. In a country where the broader vision is supposed to be making roads from one part of the country to the other I cant see anything better happening even in the next 29 years. Where are the pillars of progress and where are the pillars of harmony? We have yellow cab schemes for the BA pass and instead of enabling the people we are disabling them further with benazir income schemes where they kill their self esteem to get 2000 rs a month?

For real progress we have to enable our people to indulge in the progress of the country , first and foremost definitely is justice system. Injustice results in disharmony and violence and until we find a solution to our morally bankrupt and ineffective court systems we cant ever be amongst the top nations in the world. Forget about the cosmetics which is what the world sees ,lets cure our real diseases and the dirty and stinky society we live in. I dont care if our stock exchange touches the sky... the benchmark will always be the people who are living under the poverty line.

I agree with your points and I think no one can. What I am trying to highlight the bigger picture as I see it from a philosophical and future oriented vision with regard to Nations. I have not tried to give the details and and requirements schemes and practical steps mandatory for the achievement of the vision.

 

[Star Gazer]

The thread is titled as "Why do I think Pakistan will do better than India in the coming years", but there is nothing in the article that highlights, explains, or rationalizes why that would happen. Do we see any financial, political or social indicators that help us arrive at that conclusion? The thread started didn't mention a single item. All he has done is play a victim card that the world has treats Pakistan unjustly and unfairly. If a fair share of assets was not awarded to Pakistan, that was in 1947. This is 2015, and lot of water has passed under the bridges. If a nation has not been able to establish itself in almost seventy years, some might think, it never will.

The way I see it, Pakistan's future is rather gloomy. The religious intolerance and sectarianism is growing day by day, which is creating such a horrendous law and order situation that no foreigner will consider his investment safe in Pakistan. Both China and India offer cheap labor and safe working environment and that attracted a lot foreign investment. Pakistan can offer the same but a foreigner can't even step foot in Pakistan let alone stay here and set up factories.

As far as beating India, I will say that there is no restriction on dreams!

I will request you to try to understand what I am trying to highlight. I have not presented a road map for progress rather a vision based on values and basics which channel a nation's people, their energies and thought processes.

 

[Star Gazer]

Crusades, Inquisitions, Jihads; ISIS, Taliban, Klu Klux Klan, Saffron terrorists...all such derive inspiration from their religion. My point for naming Islam was because it's the religion of this country. Pakistanis are very emotional about religion and are easier targets for brainwashing; we see Shia-Sunni violence and terrorism because of this brainwashing. I see Religion as the main obstacle to Pakistan's path to progress (we don't suffer from any other supremacist ideologies); it simply cannot progress unless it's project itself as a tolerant state.


Surely a man who has ruled his country for about 30 years, and turned it one of the best states in the world, would have more than just a superficial knowledge.

Religion of Islam and the people who practice it for their own gains are two entirely different poles. Islam is a very tolerant religion, but if we choose to practice parts of it only is not the problem of the teachings of Islam just a human misfortune.

 

[Star Gazer]

What does Pakistan future has to do with comparing to India ????

The comparison is not future of Pakistan VS future of India. It is a discussion about two nations who are neighbors with apparent divergent trajectories but how far in future they will change according to how I see the change. I have only tried to make an argument. You are welcome to argue the philosophy and theory of it.

 

[only_truths]

about two nations (India and Pakistan), who are neighbors with apparent divergent trajectories .

[hilar][hilar][hilar] Looks like Pakistan's future is linked to India !!!!!!

 

[Star Gazer]

[hilar][hilar][hilar] Looks like Pakistan's future is linked to India !!!!!!

Seems you are mistaken about HOW it is linked!;) neva mind you will find out. Look back in history you will know! :alhamd: