it is common for every second pakistani to blame army for everything. Why? Pakistan army is not a foreign army neither they were born on any foreign soil, why we always put blame on them? What about bloody politicians , landlords and their subsidiaries from government machinery ?
Why always blame army
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bhaibarood
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
for Occupying DHAs in KARACHI,LHR ISB and every city in pakistan!
for NLC scam
for FAUJi fertilizer scam
for FWO scam
for ASKARI BANK scam
for loosing 1971 war
for doing kargil adventure
for dictators regime extending more than democracy
etc etc BHAREY KE TATOO thread na parhain BURNOL lagain
PS bloody civilians he tumko salary detay hain!
for NLC scam
for FAUJi fertilizer scam
for FWO scam
for ASKARI BANK scam
for loosing 1971 war
for doing kargil adventure
for dictators regime extending more than democracy
etc etc BHAREY KE TATOO thread na parhain BURNOL lagain
PS bloody civilians he tumko salary detay hain!
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Zarb-e-Azb
Minister (2k+ posts)
Geo initiates such conspiracies against army then PML N and its supporters spread it.
http://www.dailymailnews.com/2014/0...buying-Geo-TV-thru-3rd -party-arrangement.php
http://www.dailymailnews.com/2014/0...buying-Geo-TV-thru-3rd -party-arrangement.php
Big LOL for you! How about those calling Army being negotiator for political talks between political parties? What would you say for the Rapped girl in Faisalabad by PMLN sons? Girl burning herself infront of police station and police being celebrating the victory for no justice? Your thoughts on cutting of hands of a 11 year old boy? What are your thoughts on 16 killings in Model town. What are your thoughts on 3 killings in Islamabad. What are your thoughts on Political parties using abusive language for the girls participating in Islamabad Dharna.
Mehrushka
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
That question asked by a pti supporter....like seriously!!!!!! The rest I've commented on those threads!
Factually you couldn't be any wrong, no one in Pakistan hates the Army. The impression you are getting is from the chatter classes, the ones who are part of the problem. It is this less than 1% of the class that are in one way or another benefiting from this rotten system and hence vouch for this system they call democracy, desi style. We won't even go into the cliches of where these so called Democrats or their touts in the media come from but if you really want to bust this myth that a sham democracy is better than Army rule, at least historically in Pakistan case, just compare the major economic indicators, the devolution of power, strategic long-term national projects and the overall law and order situation of both eras. Moreover, I dare these so called democrats to put Army's name next time on the ballot along with theirs and let the majority decide for themselves who they want in the next election and you will get an idea of how much people hate or love army. A country where more than 70% people are below poverty line; more than 90% can't read and write in the real sense and up to 60% don't even go to school you expect them to be concerned about democracy? Trust me they don't give a damn if their steady employment, relative peace and security and their kids education comes from the barrel of a gun or a ballot and rightly so because it's basic human nature to prioritise basis needs first. Expect them to participate and be concerned about democracy once they are self-sufficient with these basics. And who the hell are we or those psuedo-intellectuals or these jerk democrats to choose for the vast majority stuck in the grinding day to day subsistence living that they are for Democracy and against Army rule, this itself is the most brutal dishonestly of this day and age. You want to know their opinion at least be honest and give them a choice at least between a sham democracy and an army rule and we all would know for sure what the masses want. Just because saying something because it's politically correct doesn't make it a fact. And technically the sham system we have is nothing more than the tyranny of the minority.
Ghaffar Alvi
Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
not whole army but clearly some army generals are on payrol of USA. Abbottabad operation and othe incidents are clealy pointing that. This raheel guy i think is in pocket of USA because he started waziristan operation right after his inception. I hope and wish i am wrong about it.
You have no comments to reply! rapping a girl by PMLN sons you have any justification???????????? Abusive language by PMLN as a party on the floor of parliament not by individual supporter? What should I consider you for supporting killers and rapist?
Mehrushka
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Do bother to read my comment on rape thread....fatwa issue kerne se Pehle Zara ghor se par liya karen! 564 posts and already issuing fatwas here!!!! Not good....
No Fatwa I am asking you? replied on the same thread.
Cesar
Senator (1k+ posts)
bohat bahry scam dhoondy hian...
baki ka u muje nian pata..
1971 tu politicians ki wajha se hooa. .. de deta bagal ko uska hak tu wo sab na hota..
Kargil bhi hum jeet chukay thy....... ganjjaaa USA ke phone per India ko apni tashreef na deta tu wo b na harty..
agar Govt sehi se mulki mufad mian kaam krti na ke personal mafad main tu martial law bhi na lagta..
mushi have two choice .. plan crash main marr jaye ya nawaz ko kickout kery... he did what he have to do.
and this time again.. peoples of Pakistan calling army again n again.. Muhafazo aa ke zalmon se bachaow...
on facebook... even here you can see many threads calling army ...
EXTRACT FROM MINUTES OF MEETING - PASHA LONDON PLAN (MAY 2014)
PARTICIPANTS
1. Lieutenant General (Retired) Ahmed Shuja Pasha
2. U Turn Khan along with Jahingir Tareen (Pasha Party)
3. Gullu Qadri (PAT)
4. Zameerfrosh Brothers of Gujrat (PML Q)
5. Sheda Tali
6. Air Marshal (Retired) Shahid Lateef (APML)
7. Mubahsir Shero (ARY)
8. Nadeem Malik (SAMA)
AGENDA
1. Disrupt economic growth in Pakistan with focus on blocking Chinese investment by blocking Chinese President visit.
2. Overthrow democracy in Pakistan under the umbrella of accountability and technocratic setups. Seize Islamabad, capture Parliament, PM House and PTV, create violence so that Army is forced to intervene.
3. Malign Pak Army, by criticizing civil military relations and exploiting ISI Geo issue so that rift is created in civil military relations.
4. SAMA and ARY will act as Media Cell, will be provided documents held in IB (Brigadier Ijaz) and Military Agencies through inducted retired Army Officers in
Pasha Party and Gullu Qadri Firqa.
5. DUNYA will be captured against Government by offering Chief Minister Punjab to Mian Amir Mehmood in Technocratic Setups.
GUARANTEE
1. Pasha gave guarantee that Army will neither allow nor use FORCE against Punjabi agitators as being used against Pathan/Baloch agitators/nationalists.
PARTICIPANTS
1. Lieutenant General (Retired) Ahmed Shuja Pasha
2. U Turn Khan along with Jahingir Tareen (Pasha Party)
3. Gullu Qadri (PAT)
4. Zameerfrosh Brothers of Gujrat (PML Q)
5. Sheda Tali
6. Air Marshal (Retired) Shahid Lateef (APML)
7. Mubahsir Shero (ARY)
8. Nadeem Malik (SAMA)
AGENDA
1. Disrupt economic growth in Pakistan with focus on blocking Chinese investment by blocking Chinese President visit.
2. Overthrow democracy in Pakistan under the umbrella of accountability and technocratic setups. Seize Islamabad, capture Parliament, PM House and PTV, create violence so that Army is forced to intervene.
3. Malign Pak Army, by criticizing civil military relations and exploiting ISI Geo issue so that rift is created in civil military relations.
4. SAMA and ARY will act as Media Cell, will be provided documents held in IB (Brigadier Ijaz) and Military Agencies through inducted retired Army Officers in
Pasha Party and Gullu Qadri Firqa.
5. DUNYA will be captured against Government by offering Chief Minister Punjab to Mian Amir Mehmood in Technocratic Setups.
GUARANTEE
1. Pasha gave guarantee that Army will neither allow nor use FORCE against Punjabi agitators as being used against Pathan/Baloch agitators/nationalists.
frootloops
Minister (2k+ posts)
Pakistan Army killed their own people.
First they killed Pashtoon in the name of Ghadar
Then they killed sindhi in the name of Ghadar
Then they kiled urdu speaking in the name of Ghadar
Now they are killing blochi in the name of Ghadar
Only punjabies are patrotic rest them of ghadar
I am not blaming entire Army but top Generals occupied entire Pakistan. They bring nawaz and zardari corrupt type politicians so that they could easily blakmail them. They can easliy get their budget approved. They are part of status co they also protact status co.
Lost war in 1971 badly
Osama bin Ladin was taken in heart of city and 6th largest Army was sleeping.
They are pupput of USA. They dont want to bring change in Pakistan.
First they killed Pashtoon in the name of Ghadar
Then they killed sindhi in the name of Ghadar
Then they kiled urdu speaking in the name of Ghadar
Now they are killing blochi in the name of Ghadar
Only punjabies are patrotic rest them of ghadar
I am not blaming entire Army but top Generals occupied entire Pakistan. They bring nawaz and zardari corrupt type politicians so that they could easily blakmail them. They can easliy get their budget approved. They are part of status co they also protact status co.
Lost war in 1971 badly
Osama bin Ladin was taken in heart of city and 6th largest Army was sleeping.
They are pupput of USA. They dont want to bring change in Pakistan.
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sorry to say it was NS who dragged General Raheel into politics asking him to be a mediator, but later than denied it by lying in parliamanet.
Rooh-e-Safar
Senator (1k+ posts)
Kia baat hey.. 1971 politics ki wajah se hoa ya Army ne politicians ko use kia? Political govt rhi kitne arse pakistan mein aur jo rhi woh bhi Army ki sarprasti mein. Jab Musharraf ka plane roka tab tu take over ho gya aur ysahan mulk totne ja rha tha aur Army feeder pee rhi thi.. Banglion per zulm pakistan se ja ker logon ne kia tha ya us Army ne jo wahan deployed thi? Bhutto ko laane wala kon tha? Bhutto ko phansi bhi tu di thi baad mein, ager one year pehle dismantle ker dete tu koi issue tha? Bangalion ko fauj mein kion nhi lia jaata tha, kia is ki wajah bhi poltical govt thi? Yeh Qatil, Murtid, Rental Army hey jis k hathon per Pakistanion, Bangalion, Afghanion, Arabs, aur Palestinians ka khoun hey aur jo NATO k jahazon ko bachane k lye jaanein dete hein. Phir bare dharale se khud ko Shaheed aur Mujahideen ko terrorist declare kerte hein.
the sorry state that the country is in today is direct result of 38 years of military rule. During military rule, due to iron hand things look superficially calm on the surface but underneath it erodes the very roots of the country. Examples are bengalis resentment leading to separation of east pak during Ayub's marshall law. Rise of religious intolerance, widening sectarian rift, spread of gun and drug culture, and creation of mqm, loss of siachin during Zia's marshall law. War on terror participation, spread of suicide bombers, unrest in Baluchistan and lal masjid incident during Musharaf's marshall law are few example how badly and deeply country had suffered during military rule. Army's and agencies job is to protect the country from external enemies. Their job is not to run the country.
India and Pak got independence at the same time. They both have similar human tendencies and corruption etc. The only reason that india today is on road to progress is because of sustained democracy. Some may say that it is because Nehru ended the feudal system in India early on. To which my reply would be that army ruled for 38 years in pak, why they did not end the feudal system. Thats because to create a sense of legitimacy, for otherwise illegitimate army rule, the military rulers nurture and breed a class of corrupt politicians who's sole purpose is to play the role of yes master to military dictator and provide somewhat civilian face to otherwise illegal govt. Shaikh Rasheed and Chaudhary brothers are living examples of such politicians.
India and Pak got independence at the same time. They both have similar human tendencies and corruption etc. The only reason that india today is on road to progress is because of sustained democracy. Some may say that it is because Nehru ended the feudal system in India early on. To which my reply would be that army ruled for 38 years in pak, why they did not end the feudal system. Thats because to create a sense of legitimacy, for otherwise illegitimate army rule, the military rulers nurture and breed a class of corrupt politicians who's sole purpose is to play the role of yes master to military dictator and provide somewhat civilian face to otherwise illegal govt. Shaikh Rasheed and Chaudhary brothers are living examples of such politicians.
Bro, all these companies u mentioned, they employ Pakistanis not foreigners and their investment is in Pakistan. Not like all politicians who have vast investment in foreign countries for foreign people. For 1971, Bhutto Says tm udher hum idhr, that was the beginning of creepy things which led to war.
[MENTION=56680]wahreh[/MENTION]
the sorry state we are in is because since Quaid E Azam (may Allah grant him jannat) we unfortunately did not have a leader in PK who could implement his vision. Which basically was justice for all, education for all.
It is not democracy we need we require a good leader who can clean up the system. If i compare NS and Zardari too army leaders of past in comparison so called democratic leaders have been a complete let down. Unfortunately army leaders could have made massive difference inside PK but they did better than NS and co but still below average compared to Quaid vision.
It is not rocket science to sort out PK.
the sorry state we are in is because since Quaid E Azam (may Allah grant him jannat) we unfortunately did not have a leader in PK who could implement his vision. Which basically was justice for all, education for all.
It is not democracy we need we require a good leader who can clean up the system. If i compare NS and Zardari too army leaders of past in comparison so called democratic leaders have been a complete let down. Unfortunately army leaders could have made massive difference inside PK but they did better than NS and co but still below average compared to Quaid vision.
It is not rocket science to sort out PK.
