Where Is The Tafsir Of The Prophet?

crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Emotions kick in before the brain.
Oh aye, bloody moronic idiots. The authorities on Islam. Those who criticise the prayers, the holy Quran, the hadiths and every other thing every day. Have nothing better to do. Like this idiotic preacher going about irrelevant divisions.
 

Citizen X

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Oh aye, bloody moronic idiots. The authorities on Islam. Those who criticise the prayers, the holy Quran, the hadiths and every other thing every day. Have nothing better to do. Like this idiotic preacher going about irrelevant divisions.
Thank you for proving my point that emotions kick in before the brain. And by idiotic preacher you mean Mumtaz Ul Haq? Well he is a well known sunni sheikh and Aalim in the UK and by irrelevant division you mean pointing out that there are no complete details of how to perform salah in the Quran and hadith?

Well don't get emotional over facts. Emotions have no bearings over facts. You can challenge his argument as he himself says in the video that if you do, please bring forward any such verses or hadith.
 

crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Thank you for proving my point that emotions kick in before the brain. And by idiotic preacher you mean Mumtaz Ul Haq? Well he is a well known sunni sheikh and Aalim in the UK and by irrelevant division you mean pointing out that there are no complete details of how to perform salah in the Quran and hadith?

Well don't get emotional over facts. Emotions have no bearings over facts. You can challenge his argument as he himself says in the video that if you do, please bring forward any such verses or hadith.
Brainless fcuk, read my first post to your idiot friend. If you have brains, you shouldn't be talking this shit. I have already answered and checkmated you. Now fcuk off.
 

Wake up Pak

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Thank you for proving my point that emotions kick in before the brain. And by idiotic preacher you mean Mumtaz Ul Haq? Well he is a well known sunni sheikh and Aalim in the UK and by irrelevant division you mean pointing out that there are no complete details of how to perform salah in the Quran and hadith?

Well don't get emotional over facts. Emotions have no bearings over facts. You can challenge his argument as he himself says in the video that if you do, please bring forward any such verses or hadith.
Emotions take over logic when it comes to religion, and that is the case with the majority of so-called Muslims.
This guy crankthskunk posts a couple of verses and says it conforms to five daily prayers, but he won't give the details on how to perform Namaz? Specifically, what should be recited, when should Ruku or Sujud be performed, and how many Rak'ahs are in each prayer?
When you question him he resorts to profanity like fuck off etc.
 

Citizen X

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Brainless fcuk, read my first post to your idiot friend. If you have brains, you shouldn't be talking this shit. I have already answered and checkmated you. Now fcuk off.
Mr Brainfull read my first post in reply to your post

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Far from "checkmating" mon ami, not even close. Yeah so Mr brains how about using those brains and providing an explanation instead for your extremely emotional and totally meaningless rants for a change
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Emotions take over logic when it comes to religion, and that is the case with the majority of so-called Muslims.
This guy crankthskunk posts a couple of verses and says it conforms to five daily prayers, but he won't give the details on how to perform Namaz? Specifically, what should be recited, when should Ruku or Sujud be performed, and how many Rak'ahs are in each prayer?
When you question him he resorts to profanity like fuck off etc.
Yeah well they are not known as emotional mushriks just for no reason.
 

saleema

Senator (1k+ posts)
No 1a : Because you act like it.

No 1b : No you absolutely don't have to learn the Quran from anyone. You can learn Arabic as a language and read the Quran yourself. Its not a must to learn from someone, and like I said earlier there are 1000s if not millions of Muslims who have accepted Islam by reading translations of the Quran by themselves in their own languages from the internet or a physical copy

You need teachers to learn madhab which distorts Islam.

No 2 : Good keep it that way.

No 3 : When did I call you a deobandi? And Assim Al Hakeem is the name of a moulvi not a sect.

No 4 : There is no reality or satisfaction to be found in any sect or crossover of sects or even between any of them.

And you forgot to address on anything on regards to my hypothetical scenario
If they read translations then it means someone wrote the translation and the one who wrote the translation knew Arabic. You can't just open Qur'an as non Arab and start reading it or learn it. Billions of people learn languages from teachers not books directly and we even learn our mother's tongue from experts. I don't understand what's your logic of not learning quran's translation from someone?
 

Citizen X

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If they read translations then it means someone wrote the translation and the one who wrote the translation knew Arabic. You can't just open Qur'an as non Arab and start reading it or learn it. Billions of people learn languages from teachers not books directly and we even learn our mother's tongue from experts. I don't understand what's your logic of not learning quran's translation from someone?
You're confusing language with the Quran. The Quran is for all humanity and you think Allah didn't know that majority of the worlds population won't be Arab speakers? Learning Arabic from a teacher is different from learning the Quran from a teacher. You know the first persons to translate the Quran into French and English weren't even Muslims? The guy who translated into English didn't even know Arabic.

A person can get a very good understanding about the deen of Islam from reading the Quran. Go look at social media and how some who have accepted Islam via reading translations have a much better grasp of the message of Islam than so many "aalims and sheikhs" because they have read the Quran without any previous biases, brain washing or indoctrination. Just proving Allah's book is universal and for all mankind.

Yes it would great if someone learns Arabic to try to understand it better but it is not a requirement. Today even A.I is so smart you can actually have deep dive discussions with it and is a very great tool for fact checking and even learning the Quran.
 

crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
If they read translations then it means someone wrote the translation and the one who wrote the translation knew Arabic. You can't just open Qur'an as non Arab and start reading it or learn it. Billions of people learn languages from teachers not books directly and we even learn our mother's tongue from experts. I don't understand what's your logic of not learning quran's translation from someone?
Why are you arguing with these nickleheads? I bet these two idiots can't even read the Holy Quran, let alone understand it.
 

saleema

Senator (1k+ posts)
You're confusing language with the Quran. The Quran is for all humanity and you think Allah didn't know that majority of the worlds population won't be Arab speakers? Learning Arabic from a teacher is different from learning the Quran from a teacher. You know the first persons to translate the Quran into French and English weren't even Muslims? The guy who translated into English didn't even know Arabic.

A person can get a very good understanding about the deen of Islam from reading the Quran. Go look at social media and how some who have accepted Islam via reading translations have a much better grasp of the message of Islam than so many "aalims and sheikhs" because they have read the Quran without any previous biases, brain washing or indoctrination. Just proving Allah's book is universal and for all mankind.

Yes it would great if someone learns Arabic to try to understand it better but it is not a requirement. Today even A.I is so smart you can actually have deep dive discussions with it and is a very great tool for fact checking and even learning the Quran.
I'm not able to comprehend your point here. I mean there is no doubt that we should read and learn Qur'an and I know that there are so many Qur'anic scholars who aren't even Muslims. But, what's wrong with learning quran from a person who already knows the meaning of the Qur'an and I think it's so beautiful to read the different interpretations of Qur'an. I hate Tahir Al Qadri' as a person and as firqah or cult but once he was explaining some verses with his own twist or idea that maybe in his opinion that can also be a meaning and for me I enjoyed it. Similarly, I like the idea of evolution as explained by Ghamidi or the Sufi and greek philosophical touch of Ahya Al
3loom of Ghazali, or the concept of reassuraction and qayamah as symbolism of Parvezi, similarly the concept of a modern Islamic state, the beautiful interpretation of imamat of Shias. Why would I just follow one sect or make ideal and reject everything else? I enjoy the beauty of every sect and opinion and I never totally follow or reject any of them. Even in science people follow one extreme ideologies. Scientists of quantum gravity school of thought hate and totally reject those who believe in strong theory and at the same time mathematically both are correct and is beautiful. Let me enjoy the different colours of opinions and let's don't be blind followers of Sunni Shia ahlehadeeeth Quranists or Sufis. Life is short just enjoy and accept with wide open mind and heart.
 

saleema

Senator (1k+ posts)
Why are you arguing with these nickleheads? I bet these two idiots can't even read the Holy Quran, let alone understand it.
Right ustaad g, all respect to you. I know you since a decade on this forum. Salute! Read my last reply to this guy. My opinion is absolutely right is actually following a new sect.
 

Rambler

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Right ustaad g, all respect to you. I know you since a decade on this forum. Salute! Read my last reply to this guy. My opinion is absolutely right is actually following a new sect.

Pervaizi sect is on very very weak ground and the very basis of it is intellectually flawed. The only attraction possibly is for lazy people who do not want to do Salah, Fasting, Zakat and Hajj. However we must acknowledge the couple of Pervaizi's on this forum for their devout preaching of this stupidity - They are relentless. One of them even has two ID's, posting threads by one and commenting with the other to build traction.
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Why would I just follow one sect or make ideal and reject everything else? I enjoy the beauty of every sect and opinion and I never totally follow or reject any of them.
The Quran condemns all sects. All sects in Islam, whether Sunni, Shia, Ahmaddis, Pervaizi Ismaili, etc.

6:159 As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least: their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.
 

Rambler

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The Quran condemns all sects. All sects in Islam, whether Sunni, Shia, Ahmaddis, Pervaizi Ismaili, etc.

6:159 As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least: their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.

You are a Pervaizi. Quran is for Muslims and I think Pervaizi's are not even a sect of Islam. They are much like flat earthers 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

BTW you should be thankful that I made this thread crowded and you did not have to comment with different ID's.
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
You are a Pervaizi. Quran is for Muslims and I think Pervaizi's are not even a sect of Islam. They are much like flat earthers 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

BTW you should be thankful that I made this thread crowded and you did not have to comment with different ID's.
Come to the point instead of shooting from your hip. You may not even know who Muslims are, and yet you want to stick your nose.
If following the Quran alone is equivalent to a sect, then I do follow that sect.
 

Rambler

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Come to the point instead of shooting from your hip. You may not even know who Muslims are, and yet you want to stick your nose.
If following the Quran alone is equivalent to a sect, then I do follow that sect.

But I like your zeal - You are like evangelicals, all enthusiasm and no substance. BTW do you have any learned person amongst the Pervaizis other than some devoid of the most basic of logic riff raff?
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
I'm not able to comprehend your point here. I mean there is no doubt that we should read and learn Qur'an and I know that there are so many Qur'anic scholars who aren't even Muslims. But, what's wrong with learning quran from a person who already knows the meaning of the Qur'an and I think it's so beautiful to read the different interpretations of Qur'an. I hate Tahir Al Qadri' as a person and as firqah or cult but once he was explaining some verses with his own twist or idea that maybe in his opinion that can also be a meaning and for me I enjoyed it. Similarly, I like the idea of evolution as explained by Ghamidi or the Sufi and greek philosophical touch of Ahya Al
3loom of Ghazali, or the concept of reassuraction and qayamah as symbolism of Parvezi, similarly the concept of a modern Islamic state, the beautiful interpretation of imamat of Shias. Why would I just follow one sect or make ideal and reject everything else? I enjoy the beauty of every sect and opinion and I never totally follow or reject any of them. Even in science people follow one extreme ideologies. Scientists of quantum gravity school of thought hate and totally reject those who believe in strong theory and at the same time mathematically both are correct and is beautiful. Let me enjoy the different colours of opinions and let's don't be blind followers of Sunni Shia ahlehadeeeth Quranists or Sufis. Life is short just enjoy and accept with wide open mind and heart.
Word salad
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
My opinion is absolutely right is actually following a new sect.
And then you say why do I think you are acting superior, nothing like patting yourself on the back and just making baseless claims eh!

P.S : Mind asking your ustad G how the verses he quoted explain his daily namaz in detail, I've asked him twice now and he seems to be dodging, as usual
 
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Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
You are a Pervaizi. Quran is for Muslims and I think Pervaizi's are not even a sect of Islam. They are much like flat earthers 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

BTW you should be thankful that I made this thread crowded and you did not have to comment with different ID's.
😂 😂 😂 😂 Chalo bhai obozo x gaya to is ne perwezi dance shuru kerdiya!
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Come to the point instead of shooting from your hip. You may not even know who Muslims are, and yet you want to stick your nose.
If following the Quran alone is equivalent to a sect, then I do follow that sect.
New perwezi dancer in town! 😂 All of these know it alls really have no arguments, all they can do is dance.
 

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