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zubair.maalick

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The Question is ... Is their any peaceful way to throw such 'Pharaoh' out of community ???
I dun blame these 'Sheeps' as they are doing it from centuries and nobody ever showed them 'light'
 

atensari

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The Question is ... Is their any peaceful way to throw such 'Pharaoh' out of community ???
I dun blame these 'Sheeps' as they are doing it from centuries and nobody ever showed them 'light'

Light is there they don't want to see it.
 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Looks like this thread has not yet caught the eyes of some members!

Believe it or not there are members on this forum who will copy and paste kilometer length of post just to justify that prostrating
(سجدہ) is allowed in Islam.

Sad! they will not try to convince people that it is best to prostrate (
سجدہ) only to Allah.
 
Came to the thread to pass the message and the rest is upto you lot.


Defination of prostration(sajda,bowing)


Sahih Muslim Book 4 Hadith 991


Ibn 'Abbas reported: The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) had been commanded that he should prostrate on the seven (bones) and he was forbidden to fold back the hair and clothing. And in the narration transmitted by Abu Rabi' (the words are):" on the seven bones and I was forbidden to fold back the hair and clothing". According to Abu'l-Rabi' (the seven bones are): The hands, the knees, and the (extremities) of the feet and the forehead.


Sajda doesnt means if you bow down to pick some thing up like your shoes and their is a person infront of you it will come into shirk or sajda,Nor does if any one bows down a little infront of any one that comes into sajda as per shariah. Sajda according to Shariah defination is on seven bones , when all seven touch the ground , , i hope thats clear here what does real prostration means acc to shariah.


now coming to kissing of hands/feet as seen in the video




Proof # 1


Abu Dawud Book 41 Hadith 5206
Narrated al-Wazi' ibn Zari':


Umm Aban, daughter of al-Wazi' ibn Zari', quoting his grandfather, who was a member of the deputation of AbdulQays, said:
When we came to Medina, we raced to be first to dismount and kiss the hand and foot of the Apostle of Allah(peace_be_upon_him). But al-Mundhir al-Ashajj waited until he came to the bundle of his clothes. He put on his two garments and then he went to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him).



-Imam Bayhaqi also narrated this in as-Sunan al-Kubra (vol. 7, p. 102)
-Imam Tabarani in two of his books: al-Mujam al-Kabir (vol. 5, p. 275 # 5313); and al-Mujam al-Awsat (vol. 1, p. 133 # 418).



Proof # 2


أَنَّ يَهُودِيَّيْنِ قَالَ أَحَدُهُمَا لِصَاحِبِهِ اذْهَبْ بِنَا إِلَى هَذَا النَّبِيِّ نَسْأَلُهُ فَقَالَ لَا تَقُلْ نَبِيٌّ فَإِنَّهُ إِنْ سَمِعَهَا تَقُولُ نَبِيٌّ كَانَتْ لَهُ أَرْبَعَةُ أَعْيُنٍ فَأَتَيَا النَّبِيَّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فَسَأَلَاهُ عَنْ قَوْلِ اللَّهِ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ{ وَلَقَدْ آتَيْنَا مُوسَى تِسْعَ آيَاتٍ بَيِّنَاتٍ **فَقَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ لَا تُشْرِكُوا بِاللَّهِ شَيْئًا وَلَا تَزْنُوا وَلَا تَقْتُلُوا النَّفْسَ الَّتِي حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ إِلَّا بِالْحَقِّ وَلَا تَسْرِقُوا وَلَا تَسْحَرُوا وَلَا تَمْشُوا بِبَرِيءٍ إِلَى سُلْطَانٍ فَيَقْتُلَهُ وَلَا تَأْكُلُوا الرِّبَا وَلَا تَقْذِفُوا مُحْصَنَةً وَلَا تَفِرُّوا مِنْ الزَّحْفِ شَكَّ شُعْبَةُ وَعَلَيْكُمْ يَا مَعْشَرَ الْيَهُودِ خَاصَّةً لَا تَعْدُوا فِي السَّبْتِ فَقَبَّلَا يَدَيْهِ وَرِجْلَيْهِ وَقَالَا نَشْهَدُ أَنَّكَ نَبِيٌّ قَالَ فَمَا يَمْنَعُكُمَا أَنْ تُسْلِمَا قَالَا إِنَّ دَاوُدَ دَعَا اللَّهَ أَنْ لَا يَزَالَ فِي ذُرِّيَّتِهِ نَبِيٌّ وَإِنَّا نَخَافُ إِنْ أَسْلَمْنَا أَنْ تَقْتُلَنَا الْيَهُودُ


Sayyidina Safwan ibn Assal al-Muradi reported that of two Jews one said to the other, “Come let us go to this Prophet that we may question him.” The other said, “Do not call him a Prophet, for, if he hears you say Prophet he will be overjoyed.’ So they came to him and asked him about the words of Allah the Exalted: "And certainly we gave Musa nine manifest signs." (17:101)




Shu’bah was unsure if this was included: And particularly for you, O Jews, that you do not contravene (the injunctions on) the Sabbath (Saturday). So, they kissed his hand and his feet, saying, “We bear testimony that you are a Prophet. He asked. ‘Then what prevents you from submitting (in Isaim)?” They said, ‘Dawood had prayed that Prophets should not cease to come in his offspring and we fear that if we submit the Jews will kill us.’


►trimdhi chapter 18, Hadith 3155,), (Book of Adab) who declared it hasan sahih

►Ahmed 18814

►Narrated by Ibn Abi Shayba (Book of Adab, Chapter entitled A Man Kissing Another Man's Hand When He greets Him,

►al-Nasa'i, who declared it sahih.

►Ibn Maja (Book of Adab), who declared it sahih.

► al-Hakim who declared it sahih.



Proof # 3


Burayda said: When we were with Allah's Messenger on an expedition, a Bedouin came and asked for a miracle. The Prophet pointed at a tree and said to the Bedouin: "Tell that tree: Allah's Messenger summons you." The Beduin did, whereupon the tree swayed and brought itself out, and came to the presence of the Prophet saying: "Peace be upon you, O Messenger of Allah!" The Bedouin said: "Now let it return to its place!" When Allah's Messenger ordered it, the tree went back. The Bedouin said: "let me prostrate to you!" The Messenger answered: "If I commanded anyone to do that, I would command the wife to prostrate to her husband." The Bedouin said: "Then give me permission to kiss your hands and feet." The Prophet gave him permission.
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►Qadi `Iyad narrated it in al-Shifa' (1:299) and al-Bazzar in his Musnad (3:49).

►The editor of Suyuti's Manahil al-safa (p. 124 #575) said: See Kashf al-astar (3:132). Ghazali cites the account of the kiss in the Ihya' and al-Hakim in the Mustadrak as well as Ibn Muqri'.

►both al-Hakim and al-`Iraqi declared its chain authentic (sahih),

►also[ stated by al-Zabidi in his Ithaf (6:280) .

► Ibn Hajar included the hadith of Burayda among Ibn al-Muqri's good narrations (min jayyidiha) on the subject of kissing the hand

► Qadi `Iyad also mentions a similar narration from Ibn `Umar which Suyuti said was narrated by Darimi, Bayhaqi, and al-Bazzar with a sound chain.

►Qadi `Iyad said the hadith of the tree's uprooting and coming to the Prophet is also narrated by Jabir, Ibn Mas`id, Ya`la ibn Murra, Usama ibn Zayd, Anas ibn Malik, `Ali ibn Abi Talib, Ibn `Abbas, and others who all agreed on the same account and so did the Tabi`in who related it.
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Proof # 4


A narration states that Ka`b ibn Malik al-Ansari kissed the hand and knees of the Prophet, Peace be upon him, after repenting from the charge of hypocrisy which followed his sitting out in Madina the Prophet's expedition to Tabuk.

►Bayhaqi in Dala'il al-nubuwwa,

►Ghazali in the Ihya',

► Ibn al-Muqri' in al-Rukhsa cite it from Ka`b with a chain according to al-`Iraqi: "When Allah sent down my acquittal, I came to the Messenger of Allah and kissed his hand and knee." (lamma nuzilat tawbati ataytu al-nabi sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam fa qabbaltu yadahu wa rukbatahu)

►. al-Haythami in Majma` al-zawa'id (8:42) also states that Tabarani narrates it (cf. al-Kabir 19:42)


►Tabarani narrates it (cf. al-Kabir 19:42)

►Ibn Hajar cites it (Fath al-bari 1989 ed. 8:155 book of Maghazi ch. 80) from Ibn Mardawayh without weakening it in his commentary on the long hadith of Ka`b in Bukhari which provides the context of the incident:





Proof # 5


Bukhari in al-Adab al-mufrad also relates with a sound chain that Suhayb the freedman of al-`Abbas saw Sayyidna`Ali kiss the hand and feet of the Prophet's uncle al-`Abbas and said to him: "O Uncle! Be pleased with me."

► al-Muqri' also narrates it through Sulayman ibn Ayyub and through a third chain from his shaykh al-Tahawi in al-Rukhsa fi taqbil al-yad (p. 73 #13, p. 76 #15).

► Ibn Hibban accepted him as trustworthy and al-Dhahabi did not contradict him,

► Sakhawi said in Fath al-mughith (p. 137): Daraqutni said: "One from whom two trustworthy narrators (thiqatan) take hadith, his state of "unknowness" (jahalatuhu) is lifted, and his credibility is established."

► The same was declared by al-Dhuhli ("if two or more narrate from him")

► and Ibn `Abd al-Barr ("three or two") as stated respectively by al-Khatib in al-Kifaya (p. 88),

► and in Ibn `Abd al-Barr's commentary on Malik's Muwatta' entitled al-Istidhkar in the chapter entitled Tark al-wudu' mimma massathu al-nar.





Proof # 6


Imam muslim (rah) also did same [so called or claimed by some] Sajda to Imam bukhari (Rah)
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Imam Muslim (d. 261) when he met Imam Bukhari (d. 256) said to him: Da`ni hatta uqabbila rijlayka ya ustadh al-ustadhayn, "Let me kiss your feet, O professor of the two professors."
►It is narrated by al-Khatib in his Tarikh (13:102),

al-Hakim in al-Tarikh

►and Ma`rifat `ulum al-hadith,

Bayhaqi in al-Madkhal,

Ibn Hajar in Hadi al-Sari (p. 488) and his Nukat (2:717-719), as well as al-Subki in the chapter of Bukhari in Tabaqat al-shafi`iyya,

► and Ibn al-Muqri' (d. 381) in the introduction to his al-Rukhsa fi taqbil al-yad (Riyad ed. 1987).



Highly respected student of Imam Ibn Taimiyya, Ibn Kathir, writes while narrating an incident in the interpretation of verse no 101 of Sura al-Maida that the Holy Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him) got annoyed over something:


فَقَامَ إِلَيْهِ عُمَرُ بْنُ الْخَطَّابِ رضي الله عنه فَقَبَّلَ رِجْلَهُ وَقَالَ: يَا رَسُوْلَ اﷲِ، رَضِيْنَا بِاﷲِ رَبًّا وَبِکَ نَبِيًّا وَبِالإِْسْلَامِ دِيْنًا وَبِالْقُرْآنِ إِمَامًا فَاعْفُ عَنَّا عَفَا اﷲُ عَنْکَ فَلَمْ يَزَلْ بِهِ حَتَّی رَضِيَ.


“Then Umar (may Allah be well pleased with him) stood up and he kissed the blessed feet of the Holy Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him) and said: O Prophet of Allah (blessings and peace be upon him)! We are pleased with Allah being Sustainer, your being the Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him), Islam being Din and the Holy Quran being guide and leader. Forgive us. Allah would further be pleased with you. So Umar (may Allah be well pleased with him) kept on saying so till he (blessings and peace be upon him) became pleased.”
Other interpreters have also stated the above-mentioned same tradition while interpreting the relevant verse.


Now the question arises here whether the act of kissing the blessed feet of the Holy Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him) by such a respected Companion of the stature of Umar (may Allah be well pleased with him) and the Prophet’s act of not stopping him from doing so constituted the violation of the concept of Oneness of Allah (God forbid).


Allama Shirwani Shafi`i writes in Hawashi (vol. 4, p. 84)


قد تقرّر أنه يسنّ تقبيل يد الصالح بل ورجله.
“It has been established through research that kissing the hands and feet of the saintly person is an act of Sunna of the Holy Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him).”



Abu al-Ula Abd ar-Rahman ibn Abd ar-Rahim Mubarakpuri, a respected scholar belonging to Deoband schools of thought and interpreter of Jami` at-Tirmidhi, has a distinguished position in the science of Hadith. He has listed all the above-mentioned Prophetic traditions on the kissing of hands and feet as evidence on page no 437 of the seventh volume of Tuhfat al-Ahwadhi. This clearly gives us an idea of his ways and practices.


Likewise many traditions and instances could be quoted as reference but only a few have been quoted, which establishes the fact that kissing the hands and feet of saints and elders is a rightful and favourite act. The people of mysticism and spiritualism are convinced that the kissing of feet is not a normal act and those doing so do it out of love and devotion. Therefore there is nothing wrong with doing so for someone who is an established authority of knowledge and the Imam of the time. Therefore we should be very discreet while churning out Fatwas (religious edicts) and should do so only after studying the Holy Quran, Sunna, and acts of Companions and saints that too after getting rid of our biases and partiality. We should not project things without research and studies because the Holy Quran forbids to do so without proper investigation. The Holy Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him) has also condemned such an attitude. Allah Almighty says in verse number 6 of Surah al-Hujurat:



يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِن جَاءَكُمْ فَاسِقٌ بِنَبَإٍ فَتَبَيَّنُوا.
“O believers! If some (wicked) person brings you any news, inquire thoroughly in its truth.”

Allah Almighty has ordained the believers in this verse to fully investigate the matters before forming their opinions on any matter. The purpose of doing so is to sift fact from fiction. They only take concrete step once they have been satisfied of the veracity of the matter. Referring to that, the Holy Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him) said:



کَفٰی بِالْمَرْءِ کَذِبًا اَنْ يُحَدِّثَ بِکُلِّ مَا سَمِعَ.

“It is sufficient for somebody to be a liar that he conveys every hearsay (without inquiring into its reality) to others.”
Reported by Imam Muslim in as-Sahih (vol. 1, p. 10 # 5).


The believers are being asked not to believe in the hearsay and fully investigate the matters from all angles before passing it on to others. They should only convey when the truth of the matter has been established because passing on such things without proper inquiry is like telling lie. There are many hadith on this that the believer could be all but not a liar. So only such a person can ignore the above mentioned arguments as has chosen to close his eyes to reality and plugged his ears against the truth. Clearly, the perpetrators are seeking shelter for their weak beliefs and have practically admitted their defeat knowledge-wise.


May Allah Almighty protect us from such ignorance! May He open our eyes and ears to the true teachings of the Qur`an and Hadith! (Amin)



Although kissing of hands of scholars is a Sunnah, but kissing of feet is only mubah[allowed] and it should not be done as those who have no knowledge about Quran and sunnah may take it as Sajda, but if some one does it according to Islam its permissible
 
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Kurwaa Such

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Came to the thread to pass the message and the rest is upto you lot.


Defination of prostration(sajda,bowing)


Sahih Muslim Book 4 Hadith 991


Ibn 'Abbas reported: The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) had been commanded that he should prostrate on the seven (bones) and he was forbidden to fold back the hair and clothing. And in the narration transmitted by Abu Rabi' (the words are):" on the seven bones and I was forbidden to fold back the hair and clothing". According to Abu'l-Rabi' (the seven bones are): The hands, the knees, and the (extremities) of the feet and the forehead.


Sajda doesnt means if you bow down to pick some thing up like your shoes and their is a person infront of you it will come into shirk or sajda,Nor does if any one bows down a little infront of any one that comes into sajda as per shariah. Sajda according to Shariah defination is on seven bones , when all seven touch the ground , , i hope thats clear here what does real prostration means acc to shariah.


now coming to kissing of hands/feet as seen in the video




Proof # 1


Abu Dawud Book 41 Hadith 5206
Narrated al-Wazi' ibn Zari':


Umm Aban, daughter of al-Wazi' ibn Zari', quoting his grandfather, who was a member of the deputation of AbdulQays, said:
When we came to Medina, we raced to be first to dismount and kiss the hand and foot of the Apostle of Allah(peace_be_upon_him). But al-Mundhir al-Ashajj waited until he came to the bundle of his clothes. He put on his two garments and then he went to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him).




Proof # 2


أَنَّ يَهُودِيَّيْنِ قَالَ أَحَدُهُمَا لِصَاحِبِهِ اذْهَبْ بِنَا إِلَى هَذَا النَّبِيِّ نَسْأَلُهُ فَقَالَ لَا تَقُلْ نَبِيٌّ فَإِنَّهُ إِنْ سَمِعَهَا تَقُولُ نَبِيٌّ كَانَتْ لَهُ أَرْبَعَةُ أَعْيُنٍ فَأَتَيَا النَّبِيَّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فَسَأَلَاهُ عَنْ قَوْلِ اللَّهِ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ{ وَلَقَدْ آتَيْنَا مُوسَى تِسْعَ آيَاتٍ بَيِّنَاتٍ **فَقَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ لَا تُشْرِكُوا بِاللَّهِ شَيْئًا وَلَا تَزْنُوا وَلَا تَقْتُلُوا النَّفْسَ الَّتِي حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ إِلَّا بِالْحَقِّ وَلَا تَسْرِقُوا وَلَا تَسْحَرُوا وَلَا تَمْشُوا بِبَرِيءٍ إِلَى سُلْطَانٍ فَيَقْتُلَهُ وَلَا تَأْكُلُوا الرِّبَا وَلَا تَقْذِفُوا مُحْصَنَةً وَلَا تَفِرُّوا مِنْ الزَّحْفِ شَكَّ شُعْبَةُ وَعَلَيْكُمْ يَا مَعْشَرَ الْيَهُودِ خَاصَّةً لَا تَعْدُوا فِي السَّبْتِ فَقَبَّلَا يَدَيْهِ وَرِجْلَيْهِ وَقَالَا نَشْهَدُ أَنَّكَ نَبِيٌّ قَالَ فَمَا يَمْنَعُكُمَا أَنْ تُسْلِمَا قَالَا إِنَّ دَاوُدَ دَعَا اللَّهَ أَنْ لَا يَزَالَ فِي ذُرِّيَّتِهِ نَبِيٌّ وَإِنَّا نَخَافُ إِنْ أَسْلَمْنَا أَنْ تَقْتُلَنَا الْيَهُودُ


Sayyidina Safwan ibn Assal al-Muradi reported that of two Jews one said to the other, “Come let us go to this Prophet that we may question him.” The other said, “Do not call him a Prophet, for, if he hears you say Prophet he will be overjoyed.’ So they came to him and asked him about the words of Allah the Exalted: "And certainly we gave Musa nine manifest signs." (17:101)




Shu’bah was unsure if this was included: And particularly for you, O Jews, that you do not contravene (the injunctions on) the Sabbath (Saturday). So, they kissed his hand and his feet, saying, “We bear testimony that you are a Prophet. He asked. ‘Then what prevents you from submitting (in Isaim)?” They said, ‘Dawood had prayed that Prophets should not cease to come in his offspring and we fear that if we submit the Jews will kill us.’



►trimdhi chapter 18, Hadith 3155,), (Book of Adab) who declared it hasan sahih

►Ahmed 18814

►Narrated by Ibn Abi Shayba (Book of Adab, Chapter entitled A Man Kissing Another Man's Hand When He greets Him,

►al-Nasa'i, who declared it sahih.

►Ibn Maja (Book of Adab), who declared it sahih.

► al-Hakim who declared it sahih.



Proof # 3


Burayda said: When we were with Allah's Messenger on an expedition, a Bedouin came and asked for a miracle. The Prophet pointed at a tree and said to the Bedouin: "Tell that tree: Allah's Messenger summons you." The Beduin did, whereupon the tree swayed and brought itself out, and came to the presence of the Prophet saying: "Peace be upon you, O Messenger of Allah!" The Bedouin said: "Now let it return to its place!" When Allah's Messenger ordered it, the tree went back. The Bedouin said: "let me prostrate to you!" The Messenger answered: "If I commanded anyone to do that, I would command the wife to prostrate to her husband." The Bedouin said: "Then give me permission to kiss your hands and feet." The Prophet gave him permission.
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►Qadi `Iyad narrated it in al-Shifa' (1:299) and al-Bazzar in his Musnad (3:49).

►The editor of Suyuti's Manahil al-safa (p. 124 #575) said: See Kashf al-astar (3:132). Ghazali cites the account of the kiss in the Ihya' and al-Hakim in the Mustadrak as well as Ibn Muqri'.

►both al-Hakim and al-`Iraqi declared its chain authentic (sahih),

►also[ stated by al-Zabidi in his Ithaf (6:280) .

► Ibn Hajar included the hadith of Burayda among Ibn al-Muqri's good narrations (min jayyidiha) on the subject of kissing the hand

► Qadi `Iyad also mentions a similar narration from Ibn `Umar which Suyuti said was narrated by Darimi, Bayhaqi, and al-Bazzar with a sound chain.

►Qadi `Iyad said the hadith of the tree's uprooting and coming to the Prophet is also narrated by Jabir, Ibn Mas`id, Ya`la ibn Murra, Usama ibn Zayd, Anas ibn Malik, `Ali ibn Abi Talib, Ibn `Abbas, and others who all agreed on the same account and so did the Tabi`in who related it.
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Proof # 4


A narration states that Ka`b ibn Malik al-Ansari kissed the hand and knees of the Prophet, Peace be upon him, after repenting from the charge of hypocrisy which followed his sitting out in Madina the Prophet's expedition to Tabuk.

►Bayhaqi in Dala'il al-nubuwwa,

►Ghazali in the Ihya',

► Ibn al-Muqri' in al-Rukhsa cite it from Ka`b with a chain according to al-`Iraqi: "When Allah sent down my acquittal, I came to the Messenger of Allah and kissed his hand and knee." (lamma nuzilat tawbati ataytu al-nabi sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam fa qabbaltu yadahu wa rukbatahu)

►. al-Haythami in Majma` al-zawa'id (8:42) also states that Tabarani narrates it (cf. al-Kabir 19:42)


►Tabarani narrates it (cf. al-Kabir 19:42)

►Ibn Hajar cites it (Fath al-bari 1989 ed. 8:155 book of Maghazi ch. 80) from Ibn Mardawayh without weakening it in his commentary on the long hadith of Ka`b in Bukhari which provides the context of the incident:





Proof # 5


Bukhari in al-Adab al-mufrad also relates with a sound chain that Suhayb the freedman of al-`Abbas saw Sayyidna`Ali kiss the hand and feet of the Prophet's uncle al-`Abbas and said to him: "O Uncle! Be pleased with me."

► al-Muqri' also narrates it through Sulayman ibn Ayyub and through a third chain from his shaykh al-Tahawi in al-Rukhsa fi taqbil al-yad (p. 73 #13, p. 76 #15).

► Ibn Hibban accepted him as trustworthy and al-Dhahabi did not contradict him,

► Sakhawi said in Fath al-mughith (p. 137): Daraqutni said: "One from whom two trustworthy narrators (thiqatan) take hadith, his state of "unknowness" (jahalatuhu) is lifted, and his credibility is established."

► The same was declared by al-Dhuhli ("if two or more narrate from him")

► and Ibn `Abd al-Barr ("three or two") as stated respectively by al-Khatib in al-Kifaya (p. 88),

► and in Ibn `Abd al-Barr's commentary on Malik's Muwatta' entitled al-Istidhkar in the chapter entitled Tark al-wudu' mimma massathu al-nar.





Proof # 6


Imam muslim (rah) also did same [so called or claimed by some] Sajda to Imam bukhari (Rah)
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Imam Muslim (d. 261) when he met Imam Bukhari (d. 256) said to him: Da`ni hatta uqabbila rijlayka ya ustadh al-ustadhayn, "Let me kiss your feet, O professor of the two professors."
►It is narrated by al-Khatib in his Tarikh (13:102),

al-Hakim in al-Tarikh

►and Ma`rifat `ulum al-hadith,

Bayhaqi in al-Madkhal,

Ibn Hajar in Hadi al-Sari (p. 488) and his Nukat (2:717-719), as well as al-Subki in the chapter of Bukhari in Tabaqat al-shafi`iyya,

► and Ibn al-Muqri' (d. 381) in the introduction to his al-Rukhsa fi taqbil al-yad (Riyad ed. 1987).



Highly respected student of Imam Ibn Taimiyya, Ibn Kathir, writes while narrating an incident in the interpretation of verse no 101 of Sura al-Maida that the Holy Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him) got annoyed over something:


فَقَامَ إِلَيْهِ عُمَرُ بْنُ الْخَطَّابِ رضي الله عنه فَقَبَّلَ رِجْلَهُ وَقَالَ: يَا رَسُوْلَ اﷲِ، رَضِيْنَا بِاﷲِ رَبًّا وَبِکَ نَبِيًّا وَبِالإِْسْلَامِ دِيْنًا وَبِالْقُرْآنِ إِمَامًا فَاعْفُ عَنَّا عَفَا اﷲُ عَنْکَ فَلَمْ يَزَلْ بِهِ حَتَّی رَضِيَ.


“Then Umar (may Allah be well pleased with him) stood up and he kissed the blessed feet of the Holy Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him) and said: O Prophet of Allah (blessings and peace be upon him)! We are pleased with Allah being Sustainer, your being the Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him), Islam being Din and the Holy Quran being guide and leader. Forgive us. Allah would further be pleased with you. So Umar (may Allah be well pleased with him) kept on saying so till he (blessings and peace be upon him) became pleased.”
Other interpreters have also stated the above-mentioned same tradition while interpreting the relevant verse.


Now the question arises here whether the act of kissing the blessed feet of the Holy Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him) by such a respected Companion of the stature of Umar (may Allah be well pleased with him) and the Prophet’s act of not stopping him from doing so constituted the violation of the concept of Oneness of Allah (God forbid).



Allama Shirwani Shafi`i writes in Hawashi (vol. 4, p. 84)


قد تقرّر أنه يسنّ تقبيل يد الصالح بل ورجله.
“It has been established through research that kissing the hands and feet of the saintly person is an act of Sunna of the Holy Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him).”




Abu al-Ula Abd ar-Rahman ibn Abd ar-Rahim Mubarakpuri, a respected scholar belonging to Deoband schools of thought and interpreter of Jami` at-Tirmidhi, has a distinguished position in the science of Hadith. He has listed all the above-mentioned Prophetic traditions on the kissing of hands and feet as evidence on page no 437 of the seventh volume of Tuhfat al-Ahwadhi. This clearly gives us an idea of his ways and practices.


Likewise many traditions and instances could be quoted as reference but only a few have been quoted, which establishes the fact that kissing the hands and feet of saints and elders is a rightful and favourite act. The people of mysticism and spiritualism are convinced that the kissing of feet is not a normal act and those doing so do it out of love and devotion. Therefore there is nothing wrong with doing so for someone who is an established authority of knowledge and the Imam of the time. Therefore we should be very discreet while churning out Fatwas (religious edicts) and should do so only after studying the Holy Quran, Sunna, and acts of Companions and saints that too after getting rid of our biases and partiality. We should not project things without research and studies because the Holy Quran forbids to do so without proper investigation. The Holy Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him) has also condemned such an attitude. Allah Almighty says in verse number 6 of Surah al-Hujurat:



يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِن جَاءَكُمْ فَاسِقٌ بِنَبَإٍ فَتَبَيَّنُوا.
“O believers! If some (wicked) person brings you any news, inquire thoroughly in its truth.”

Allah Almighty has ordained the believers in this verse to fully investigate the matters before forming their opinions on any matter. The purpose of doing so is to sift fact from fiction. They only take concrete step once they have been satisfied of the veracity of the matter. Referring to that, the Holy Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him) said:



کَفٰی بِالْمَرْءِ کَذِبًا اَنْ يُحَدِّثَ بِکُلِّ مَا سَمِعَ.

“It is sufficient for somebody to be a liar that he conveys every hearsay (without inquiring into its reality) to others.”
Reported by Imam Muslim in as-Sahih (vol. 1, p. 10 # 5).


The believers are being asked not to believe in the hearsay and fully investigate the matters from all angles before passing it on to others. They should only convey when the truth of the matter has been established because passing on such things without proper inquiry is like telling lie. There are many hadith on this that the believer could be all but not a liar. So only such a person can ignore the above mentioned arguments as has chosen to close his eyes to reality and plugged his ears against the truth. Clearly, the perpetrators are seeking shelter for their weak beliefs and have practically admitted their defeat knowledge-wise.


May Allah Almighty protect us from such ignorance! May He open our eyes and ears to the true teachings of the Qur`an and Hadith! (Amin)




Although kissing of hands of scholars is a Sunnah, but kissing of feet is only mubah[allowed] and it should not be done as those who have no knowledge about Quran and sunnah may take it as Sajda, but if some one does it according to Islam its permissible

Thanks for a nice and very informative post
 

Abdali

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Hindu napak behaviour inbred in Sindh this is retarded lunatic act is pure satanic.Hang this rat in that chair..What a fraud..revalutrion in Pakistan peo[ple..NOWWW.
 

Doorandesh

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Came to the thread to pass the message and the rest is upto you lot.


Defination of prostration(sajda,bowing)


Sahih Muslim Book 4 Hadith 991


Ibn 'Abbas reported: The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) had been commanded that he should prostrate on the seven (bones) and he was forbidden to fold back the hair and clothing. And in the narration transmitted by Abu Rabi' (the words are):" on the seven bones and I was forbidden to fold back the hair and clothing". According to Abu'l-Rabi' (the seven bones are): The hands, the knees, and the (extremities) of the feet and the forehead.


Sajda doesnt means if you bow down to pick some thing up like your shoes and their is a person infront of you it will come into shirk or sajda,Nor does if any one bows down a little infront of any one that comes into sajda as per shariah. Sajda according to Shariah defination is on seven bones , when all seven touch the ground , , i hope thats clear here what does real prostration means acc to shariah.


now coming to kissing of hands/feet as seen in the video




Proof # 1


Abu Dawud Book 41 Hadith 5206
Narrated al-Wazi' ibn Zari':


Umm Aban, daughter of al-Wazi' ibn Zari', quoting his grandfather, who was a member of the deputation of AbdulQays, said:
When we came to Medina, we raced to be first to dismount and kiss the hand and foot of the Apostle of Allah(peace_be_upon_him). But al-Mundhir al-Ashajj waited until he came to the bundle of his clothes. He put on his two garments and then he went to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him).



-Imam Bayhaqi also narrated this in as-Sunan al-Kubra (vol. 7, p. 102)
-Imam Tabarani in two of his books: al-Mujam al-Kabir (vol. 5, p. 275 # 5313); and al-Mujam al-Awsat (vol. 1, p. 133 # 418).



Proof # 2


أَنَّ يَهُودِيَّيْنِ قَالَ أَحَدُهُمَا لِصَاحِبِهِ اذْهَبْ بِنَا إِلَى هَذَا النَّبِيِّ نَسْأَلُهُ فَقَالَ لَا تَقُلْ نَبِيٌّ فَإِنَّهُ إِنْ سَمِعَهَا تَقُولُ نَبِيٌّ كَانَتْ لَهُ أَرْبَعَةُ أَعْيُنٍ فَأَتَيَا النَّبِيَّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فَسَأَلَاهُ عَنْ قَوْلِ اللَّهِ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ{ وَلَقَدْ آتَيْنَا مُوسَى تِسْعَ آيَاتٍ بَيِّنَاتٍ **فَقَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ لَا تُشْرِكُوا بِاللَّهِ شَيْئًا وَلَا تَزْنُوا وَلَا تَقْتُلُوا النَّفْسَ الَّتِي حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ إِلَّا بِالْحَقِّ وَلَا تَسْرِقُوا وَلَا تَسْحَرُوا وَلَا تَمْشُوا بِبَرِيءٍ إِلَى سُلْطَانٍ فَيَقْتُلَهُ وَلَا تَأْكُلُوا الرِّبَا وَلَا تَقْذِفُوا مُحْصَنَةً وَلَا تَفِرُّوا مِنْ الزَّحْفِ شَكَّ شُعْبَةُ وَعَلَيْكُمْ يَا مَعْشَرَ الْيَهُودِ خَاصَّةً لَا تَعْدُوا فِي السَّبْتِ فَقَبَّلَا يَدَيْهِ وَرِجْلَيْهِ وَقَالَا نَشْهَدُ أَنَّكَ نَبِيٌّ قَالَ فَمَا يَمْنَعُكُمَا أَنْ تُسْلِمَا قَالَا إِنَّ دَاوُدَ دَعَا اللَّهَ أَنْ لَا يَزَالَ فِي ذُرِّيَّتِهِ نَبِيٌّ وَإِنَّا نَخَافُ إِنْ أَسْلَمْنَا أَنْ تَقْتُلَنَا الْيَهُودُ


Sayyidina Safwan ibn Assal al-Muradi reported that of two Jews one said to the other, “Come let us go to this Prophet that we may question him.” The other said, “Do not call him a Prophet, for, if he hears you say Prophet he will be overjoyed.’ So they came to him and asked him about the words of Allah the Exalted: "And certainly we gave Musa nine manifest signs." (17:101)




Shu’bah was unsure if this was included: And particularly for you, O Jews, that you do not contravene (the injunctions on) the Sabbath (Saturday). So, they kissed his hand and his feet, saying, “We bear testimony that you are a Prophet. He asked. ‘Then what prevents you from submitting (in Isaim)?” They said, ‘Dawood had prayed that Prophets should not cease to come in his offspring and we fear that if we submit the Jews will kill us.’


►trimdhi chapter 18, Hadith 3155,), (Book of Adab) who declared it hasan sahih

►Ahmed 18814

►Narrated by Ibn Abi Shayba (Book of Adab, Chapter entitled A Man Kissing Another Man's Hand When He greets Him,

►al-Nasa'i, who declared it sahih.

►Ibn Maja (Book of Adab), who declared it sahih.

► al-Hakim who declared it sahih.



Proof # 3


Burayda said: When we were with Allah's Messenger on an expedition, a Bedouin came and asked for a miracle. The Prophet pointed at a tree and said to the Bedouin: "Tell that tree: Allah's Messenger summons you." The Beduin did, whereupon the tree swayed and brought itself out, and came to the presence of the Prophet saying: "Peace be upon you, O Messenger of Allah!" The Bedouin said: "Now let it return to its place!" When Allah's Messenger ordered it, the tree went back. The Bedouin said: "let me prostrate to you!" The Messenger answered: "If I commanded anyone to do that, I would command the wife to prostrate to her husband." The Bedouin said: "Then give me permission to kiss your hands and feet." The Prophet gave him permission.
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►Qadi `Iyad narrated it in al-Shifa' (1:299) and al-Bazzar in his Musnad (3:49).

►The editor of Suyuti's Manahil al-safa (p. 124 #575) said: See Kashf al-astar (3:132). Ghazali cites the account of the kiss in the Ihya' and al-Hakim in the Mustadrak as well as Ibn Muqri'.

►both al-Hakim and al-`Iraqi declared its chain authentic (sahih),

►also[ stated by al-Zabidi in his Ithaf (6:280) .

► Ibn Hajar included the hadith of Burayda among Ibn al-Muqri's good narrations (min jayyidiha) on the subject of kissing the hand

► Qadi `Iyad also mentions a similar narration from Ibn `Umar which Suyuti said was narrated by Darimi, Bayhaqi, and al-Bazzar with a sound chain.

►Qadi `Iyad said the hadith of the tree's uprooting and coming to the Prophet is also narrated by Jabir, Ibn Mas`id, Ya`la ibn Murra, Usama ibn Zayd, Anas ibn Malik, `Ali ibn Abi Talib, Ibn `Abbas, and others who all agreed on the same account and so did the Tabi`in who related it.
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Proof # 4


A narration states that Ka`b ibn Malik al-Ansari kissed the hand and knees of the Prophet, Peace be upon him, after repenting from the charge of hypocrisy which followed his sitting out in Madina the Prophet's expedition to Tabuk.

►Bayhaqi in Dala'il al-nubuwwa,

►Ghazali in the Ihya',

► Ibn al-Muqri' in al-Rukhsa cite it from Ka`b with a chain according to al-`Iraqi: "When Allah sent down my acquittal, I came to the Messenger of Allah and kissed his hand and knee." (lamma nuzilat tawbati ataytu al-nabi sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam fa qabbaltu yadahu wa rukbatahu)

►. al-Haythami in Majma` al-zawa'id (8:42) also states that Tabarani narrates it (cf. al-Kabir 19:42)


►Tabarani narrates it (cf. al-Kabir 19:42)

►Ibn Hajar cites it (Fath al-bari 1989 ed. 8:155 book of Maghazi ch. 80) from Ibn Mardawayh without weakening it in his commentary on the long hadith of Ka`b in Bukhari which provides the context of the incident:





Proof # 5


Bukhari in al-Adab al-mufrad also relates with a sound chain that Suhayb the freedman of al-`Abbas saw Sayyidna`Ali kiss the hand and feet of the Prophet's uncle al-`Abbas and said to him: "O Uncle! Be pleased with me."

► al-Muqri' also narrates it through Sulayman ibn Ayyub and through a third chain from his shaykh al-Tahawi in al-Rukhsa fi taqbil al-yad (p. 73 #13, p. 76 #15).

► Ibn Hibban accepted him as trustworthy and al-Dhahabi did not contradict him,

► Sakhawi said in Fath al-mughith (p. 137): Daraqutni said: "One from whom two trustworthy narrators (thiqatan) take hadith, his state of "unknowness" (jahalatuhu) is lifted, and his credibility is established."

► The same was declared by al-Dhuhli ("if two or more narrate from him")

► and Ibn `Abd al-Barr ("three or two") as stated respectively by al-Khatib in al-Kifaya (p. 88),

► and in Ibn `Abd al-Barr's commentary on Malik's Muwatta' entitled al-Istidhkar in the chapter entitled Tark al-wudu' mimma massathu al-nar.





Proof # 6


Imam muslim (rah) also did same [so called or claimed by some] Sajda to Imam bukhari (Rah)
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Imam Muslim (d. 261) when he met Imam Bukhari (d. 256) said to him: Da`ni hatta uqabbila rijlayka ya ustadh al-ustadhayn, "Let me kiss your feet, O professor of the two professors."
►It is narrated by al-Khatib in his Tarikh (13:102),

al-Hakim in al-Tarikh

►and Ma`rifat `ulum al-hadith,

Bayhaqi in al-Madkhal,

Ibn Hajar in Hadi al-Sari (p. 488) and his Nukat (2:717-719), as well as al-Subki in the chapter of Bukhari in Tabaqat al-shafi`iyya,

► and Ibn al-Muqri' (d. 381) in the introduction to his al-Rukhsa fi taqbil al-yad (Riyad ed. 1987).



Highly respected student of Imam Ibn Taimiyya, Ibn Kathir, writes while narrating an incident in the interpretation of verse no 101 of Sura al-Maida that the Holy Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him) got annoyed over something:


فَقَامَ إِلَيْهِ عُمَرُ بْنُ الْخَطَّابِ رضي الله عنه فَقَبَّلَ رِجْلَهُ وَقَالَ: يَا رَسُوْلَ اﷲِ، رَضِيْنَا بِاﷲِ رَبًّا وَبِکَ نَبِيًّا وَبِالإِْسْلَامِ دِيْنًا وَبِالْقُرْآنِ إِمَامًا فَاعْفُ عَنَّا عَفَا اﷲُ عَنْکَ فَلَمْ يَزَلْ بِهِ حَتَّی رَضِيَ.


“Then Umar (may Allah be well pleased with him) stood up and he kissed the blessed feet of the Holy Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him) and said: O Prophet of Allah (blessings and peace be upon him)! We are pleased with Allah being Sustainer, your being the Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him), Islam being Din and the Holy Quran being guide and leader. Forgive us. Allah would further be pleased with you. So Umar (may Allah be well pleased with him) kept on saying so till he (blessings and peace be upon him) became pleased.”
Other interpreters have also stated the above-mentioned same tradition while interpreting the relevant verse.


Now the question arises here whether the act of kissing the blessed feet of the Holy Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him) by such a respected Companion of the stature of Umar (may Allah be well pleased with him) and the Prophet’s act of not stopping him from doing so constituted the violation of the concept of Oneness of Allah (God forbid).


Allama Shirwani Shafi`i writes in Hawashi (vol. 4, p. 84)


قد تقرّر أنه يسنّ تقبيل يد الصالح بل ورجله.
“It has been established through research that kissing the hands and feet of the saintly person is an act of Sunna of the Holy Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him).”



Abu al-Ula Abd ar-Rahman ibn Abd ar-Rahim Mubarakpuri, a respected scholar belonging to Deoband schools of thought and interpreter of Jami` at-Tirmidhi, has a distinguished position in the science of Hadith. He has listed all the above-mentioned Prophetic traditions on the kissing of hands and feet as evidence on page no 437 of the seventh volume of Tuhfat al-Ahwadhi. This clearly gives us an idea of his ways and practices.


Likewise many traditions and instances could be quoted as reference but only a few have been quoted, which establishes the fact that kissing the hands and feet of saints and elders is a rightful and favourite act. The people of mysticism and spiritualism are convinced that the kissing of feet is not a normal act and those doing so do it out of love and devotion. Therefore there is nothing wrong with doing so for someone who is an established authority of knowledge and the Imam of the time. Therefore we should be very discreet while churning out Fatwas (religious edicts) and should do so only after studying the Holy Quran, Sunna, and acts of Companions and saints that too after getting rid of our biases and partiality. We should not project things without research and studies because the Holy Quran forbids to do so without proper investigation. The Holy Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him) has also condemned such an attitude. Allah Almighty says in verse number 6 of Surah al-Hujurat:



يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِن جَاءَكُمْ فَاسِقٌ بِنَبَإٍ فَتَبَيَّنُوا.
“O believers! If some (wicked) person brings you any news, inquire thoroughly in its truth.”

Allah Almighty has ordained the believers in this verse to fully investigate the matters before forming their opinions on any matter. The purpose of doing so is to sift fact from fiction. They only take concrete step once they have been satisfied of the veracity of the matter. Referring to that, the Holy Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him) said:



کَفٰی بِالْمَرْءِ کَذِبًا اَنْ يُحَدِّثَ بِکُلِّ مَا سَمِعَ.

“It is sufficient for somebody to be a liar that he conveys every hearsay (without inquiring into its reality) to others.”
Reported by Imam Muslim in as-Sahih (vol. 1, p. 10 # 5).


The believers are being asked not to believe in the hearsay and fully investigate the matters from all angles before passing it on to others. They should only convey when the truth of the matter has been established because passing on such things without proper inquiry is like telling lie. There are many hadith on this that the believer could be all but not a liar. So only such a person can ignore the above mentioned arguments as has chosen to close his eyes to reality and plugged his ears against the truth. Clearly, the perpetrators are seeking shelter for their weak beliefs and have practically admitted their defeat knowledge-wise.


May Allah Almighty protect us from such ignorance! May He open our eyes and ears to the true teachings of the Qur`an and Hadith! (Amin)



Although kissing of hands of scholars is a Sunnah, but kissing of feet is only mubah[allowed] and it should not be done as those who have no knowledge about Quran and sunnah may take it as Sajda, but if some one does it according to Islam its permissible

Brother there are some things of very basic nature for which you just need to use your common sense and common sense of a Muslim without a doubt will say that what they are doing is wrong. It may not be the shirk but this whole practice is wrong. Can you tell me any incident when sahabah were standing in line for prophet pbuh and doing what these people were doing. Islamic way to greet other people whether rich or poor, aalim or jahil, muttaqi or gunahgar is to say Assalamoalaikum and shake hands.
There is a great hadeeth which speaks of its virtue, in which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There are no two Muslims who meet and shake hands with one another, but they will be forgiven before they part.” Narrated by Abu Dawood (5212); classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.
 
Brother there are some things of very basic nature for which you just need to use your common sense and common sense of a Muslim without a doubt will say that what they are doing is wrong. It may not be the shirk but this whole practice is wrong. Can you tell me any incident when sahabah were standing in line for prophet pbuh and doing what these people were doing. Islamic way to greet other people whether rich or poor, aalim or jahil, muttaqi or gunahgar is to say Assalamoalaikum and shake hands.
There is a great hadeeth which speaks of its virtue, in which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There are no two Muslims who meet and shake hands with one another, but they will be forgiven before they part.” Narrated by Abu Dawood (5212); classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.

Can you tell an incident when He pbuh had an accident and sat on a wheel chair and met his sahabi after a lengthy recovery period? Not aiming to defend the man in the screen but to pass the message of the allowance of such exercises in islam as found in hadis narrations

Salam and affection are two different exercises and salam is done even on separation by a tree in between but affection is shown occassionally. Can you show an incident where this exercise of affection is specifically prohibited and runs contrary to the numerous hadis given above? Common sense is perception of an individual and the common sense of an atheist scientist is different from a Christian and Muslim and he refuses to believe in any god. Common sense is lost by Obama and King Abdullah both below but Albanee's colleagues tend not to raise the issue and displease their king. Why this double standard? Did you hear in the news that the ahle hadis objected Abdullah for not stopping Obama?




Islam changed the practise of worshipping to many gods to one but didn't touch the environment and traditions of anyone which don't come under the label of shirk. Your ackowledgement that it might not be shirk is more than enough. The proof of different Hadis experts above is enough for my satisfaction than your kind words.

No plan to linger on here and the aim was to pass the message which has been done.
 
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Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
anp ka asal roop.................pathan quam ka ya roop i had no idea........very shocking for me........
پٹھان قوم میں سکھ ،ہندو مسیحی اور شیہ سارے موجود ہیں، جس طرح پنجابیوں کی زیادہ تغداد سکھوں کی ہے. اوردوسرے بے ذات قوموں میںبھی یہی حال ہے. اور (عوامی نیشنل پارٹی) ایک پارٹی ہے کوئی مذہب نہیں. جیسے پاکستان کی دوسری پارٹیوں مے قادیانی، مسیحی ، ہندو کا فرستان کے لوگ ہیں. تو (عوامی نیشنل پارٹی) میں وہ کیوں نہیں جاسکتے. اور کافروں کو مسللمان کہنا بھی غلط ہے. یہاں جو لوگ ہیں وو سارے مشرکین اور کافر ہیں.میں عوامی نیسنل پارٹی سے نہیں لیکن اپ کی بات غلط ہے اس لئے بتا رہا ہوں.
 
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Bangash

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
ANP ka asal roop.................Pathan quam ka ya roop I had no idea........very shocking for me........

پٹھان قوم میں سکھ ،ہندو مسیحی اور شیہ سارے موجود ہیں، جس طرح پنجابیوں کی زیادہ تغداد سکھوں کی ہے. اوردوسرے بے ذات قوموں میںبھی یہی حال ہے. اور (عوامی نیشنل پارٹی) ایک پارٹی ہے کوئی مذہب نہیں. جیسے پاکستان کی دوسری پارٹیوں مے قادیانی، مسیحی ، ہندو کا فرستان کے لوگ ہیں. تو (عوامی نیشنل پارٹی) میں وہ کیوں نہیں جاسکتے. اور کافروں کو مسللمان کہنا بھی غلط ہے. یہاں جو لوگ ہیں وو سارے مشرکین اور کافر ہیں.میں عوامی نیسنل پارٹی سے نہیں لیکن اپ کی بات غلط ہے اس لئے بتا رہا ہوں.
 
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