This is what we are slowly moving towards: The Emirate of TTP.

[zhohaq]

Working as a corporate lawyer does not necessarily make one unqualified for voicing opinion on anything.

You could have disagreed with his opinion without calling him a shill. He wasnt defending his employer here so bringing that up was in bad taste and did nothing to add to your argument except showing that you have a preconceived dislike towards the author which again is totally fine if you had brought it up in context of an article on the EOBI scam.

I have usually voiced my differences of how the military operates as a parrellel entity beyond the general writ of state however they do not defy the state in the same way the TTP is doing. There isnt even a slim chance of a cantt. commander proclaiming statehood separate from Pakistan while the TTP can eventually make that claim if the writ of the state erodes further.

These are people who will not respond to negotiations or peaceful terms, these are people who are not driven by ideology but lust for power and control which cannot be paid off and bought with a peace deal unless the peace deal includes enough power and control that the eventual writ of state is only left as a byline.

Your critique did not include how you propose this growing problem should be tackled as opposed to twhat the 'corporate shill' was trying to say through his article i.e. total war or total surrender?

Firstly Him being a corporate schill (Of EOBI, DHA related Military owned intrest his firm AJURIS mostly represents and CNG lobby incidently a year or so back) is important as his writing are mostly agenda driven.

Dissecting this agenda out from his wordplay is important. As in reality he has little of substance to say.

His imaginative TTP a monolithic, undefeatable malevolent force that has Pakistan on its knees, is a product of his imagination fed by hysteria of the other clowns that are employed in Pakistan journalistic circles. Its not worth discussing as its make belief.

He does not even realises that Pakistan Army is already deployed in NWA. Its not as un accessible as he makes it. But what he advocates will most certainly make it exactly that.

The problem is this hack can neither speak Pashto. Lack even basic knowledge of the history, cultural, ethnography of that area but some how is convinced (Like much of our pathetic English speaking Intelligentsia) they have some unique insights to add to a situation by regurgitating a slightly different permutation of received "opinion"


Here is a previous attempt at discussing defense related issues by this certified hack that was discussed in some detail right here.
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?147947-5th-Generation-War-in-Pakistan-by-Babar-Sattar

Unfortunately our English press (DAWN,DT,FTET) panders exclusively to this narrow clique of morons and has inflated their egos and belief in their own faculties to a rather ridiculous extent.

TTP in actual is more splintered then other. Has lost both geographic and ideological space, Tribal dynamics means its cornered. Relationship over the border has soured.It can only become an existential threat if we chose to make it so.

Then you come up with the tired "we dont negotiate with terrorists" tripe. Really since when? Hasn't a certain MQM not been in govt for 30 yr? Isnt Hafiz Saeed still giving Eid Khutbas. Why this fascination of multiplying our enemies? Should the Army break deals with armed groups that allowed it access into SWA and NWA and fight them for this? What will that achieve?
Does America, Israel, UK subscribe to this unique dictum? How can we generate such Hubris given we should have learnt the lessons of blow back?
What has 10 yr of nearly continuous war given you? How many of your relatives serving in the Military? Have you ever seen what a 120 mm mortar shell do to human body? Ever smelt how a burn ward smells like? Any idea of what people of FATA and KPK are going through?

I hope the day doesn't come when Punjab has to go through such a similar situation. Lets see how gung ho you people are then.
But I am afraid our lets be frank Punjabi Military and its various cheerleaders have to learn a lesson one day or the other before they run the country of a cliff.


The war in NWA a longstanding demand of many stakeholders (US Mil. more hawkish sections of the Military establishment, some sections of the hawkish English press). As the argument for such an adventure is tactically weak they have to come up with new and more far fetched mental gymnastics to accommodate this folly. For e.g how in end of PPP era they tried with avenging Malala angle which did not pan out.

(If you want to into the genesis of what is actually behind all this about I can direct you to the work of Neo con Scholar Cheryl Bernard and Zalmay Khalil zad who in 2002 knew that the Afghan war had to "pushed: into Pakistan. And "Pakistani" Army and state made to accept responsibility nad make it their war. Sounds familiar?)

Next to this you should have moved on from the revelation that Babar sattar is indeed a schill and a hack and read the rest of the post you would have come up with a much better post (on the more interesting issue of sovereignty Mr Sattar stumbled into) and I could have responded to something with more substance. And had a meaningful conversation.

 

[awan4ever]

Firstly Him being a corporate schill (Of EOBI, DHA related Military owned intrest his firm AJURIS mostly represents and CNG lobby incidently a year or so back) is important as his writing are mostly agenda driven.

Dissecting this agenda out from his wordplay is important. As in reality he has little of substance to say.

His imaginative TTP a monolithic, undefeatable malevolent force that has Pakistan on its knees, is a product of his imagination fed by hysteria of the other clowns that are employed in Pakistan journalistic circles. Its not worth discussing as its make belief.

He does not even realises that Pakistan Army is already deployed in NWA. Its not as un accessible as he makes it. But what he advocates will most certainly make it exactly that.

The problem is this hack can neither speak Pashto. Lack even basic knowledge of the history, cultural, ethnography of that area but some how is convinced (Like much of our pathetic English speaking Intelligentsia) they have some unique insights to add to a situation by regurgitating a slightly different permutation of received "opinion"


Here is a previous attempt at discussing defense related issues by this certified hack that was discussed in some detail right here.
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?147947-5th-Generation-War-in-Pakistan-by-Babar-Sattar

Unfortunately our English press (DAWN,DT,FTET) panders exclusively to this narrow clique of morons and has inflated their egos and belief in their own faculties to a rather ridiculous extent.

TTP in actual is more splintered then other. Has lost both geographic and ideological space, Tribal dynamics means its cornered. Relationship over the border has soured.It can only become an existential threat if we chose to make it so.

Then you come up with the tired "we dont negotiate with terrorists" tripe. Really since when? Hasn't a certain MQM not been in govt for 30 yr? Isnt Hafiz Saeed still giving Eid Khutbas. Why this fascination of multiplying our enemies? Should the Army break deals with armed groups that allowed it access into SWA and NWA and fight them for this? What will that achieve?
Does America, Israel, UK subscribe to this unique dictum? How can we generate such Hubris given we should have learnt the lessons of blow back?
What has 10 yr of nearly continuous war given you? How many of your relatives serving in the Military? Have you ever seen what a 120 mm mortar shell do to human body? Ever smelt how a burn ward smells like? Any idea of what people of FATA and KPK are going through?

I hope the day doesn't come when Punjab has to go through such a similar situation. Lets see how gung ho you people are then.
But I am afraid our lets be frank Punjabi Military and its various cheerleaders have to learn a lesson one day or the other before they run the country of a cliff.


The war in NWA a longstanding demand of many stakeholders (US Mil. more hawkish sections of the Military establishment, some sections of the hawkish English press). As the argument for such an adventure is tactically weak they have to come up with new and more far fetched mental gymnastics to accommodate this folly. For e.g how in end of PPP era they tried with avenging Malala angle which did not pan out.

(If you want to into the genesis of what is actually behind all this about I can direct you to the work of Neo con Scholar Cheryl Bernard and Zalmay Khalil zad who in 2002 knew that the Afghan war had to "pushed: into Pakistan. And "Pakistani" Army and state made to accept responsibility nad make it their war. Sounds familiar?)

Next to this you should have moved on from the revelation that Babar sattar is indeed a schill and a hack and read the rest of the post you would have come up with a much better post (on the more interesting issue of sovereignty Mr Sattar stumbled into) and I could have responded to something with more substance. And had a meaningful conversation.

So basically we should just sit it out and let things go on and concentrate on MQM instead?


I did not ask who is behind all this, Im asking what is the alternate way forward.

You have again critiqued the 'all out war policy' that 'non pastho speaking' people want apparently. Are the pashto speaking people happy with how things are unfolding in their region?
Should the 'Punjabi Army' sit back and relax or continue with the making peace with some and fighting with others policy? Isnt this the same failed policy that has put us in the current crisis?

What is the counter narrative to the 'corporate shills'?

If this is what you call a 'cornered splintered outfit' which breaks open jails at whim, raids GHQs and airfileds with the tactitcal training of highly trained commandos then what is your definition of a strong outfit?

Im sorry i lack the intellectual high ground that you possess on all matters so my attempts at responding will 'lack in substance'.

You can look down at me with condescension and wait for someone more your 'higher intellectual' level to respond to.

 

[w-a-n-t-e-d-]

No. Neither TTP become so strong nor Army is weak. The same so called Taliban seemed very strong in Swat, but what happened after that?

Basically as long as US and NATO are there in Afghanistan, Pak Army has to play these Dramas for $$$$$$$$$. When US stops $$$$$$$ to our Army, you would see there would be no so called TTP in anywhere. Keep my words.

And the writer and the poster of this thread are seculars and Islam hatters that's they are using TTP's "Islam" to defame the Religion and nothing else. TTP has no ideology other than getting more & more $$$$ and Terror.

bhai sawat mai yeh hoa k Mulla Fazlullah ko 80gariuon k qaflay samet save passage dea gea or Army Khodh osko Afghan Border pay chorh k
aee ... yeh baat tu jung akhbar mai bhi a chuki hai ..

TTP abb army ki zarorat ban chuki hai abb dekhna hai k army 2014 mai amrica ki 1.2billion imdad lay k inko enemy declare karti hai ya imdad
thokra k amrica or india ki jahariyat k TTP ko apna front line etihadi banati hai ....

 

[Keepinformed]

The article makes sense.

There is obviously nothing stopping them from claiming north wariztan as Islamic Emirates of Taliban. They already OWN the land. Its THEIR land and they have proven it.


I guess they should just go for it. At least then our state might seriously start thinking of engaging with another country.

Where do I apply for a Visa to Islamic Emirates of Taliban?

 

[atensari]

جو لوگ عید والے دن بھی مسجد میں نمازیوں کو شہید کرتے ہوں کیا الله ان کی مدد کرتا ہے ؟ ،
جس ڈھٹائی سے ان دہشتگردوں کی حمایت کی جاتی ہے ،یہ بھی ہماری قوم کا المیہ ہے

ضروری نہیں ہے جو آپ سے اتفاق نا کرتا ہو وہ دہشتگردوں سے متفق ہو. جس ڈھٹائی سے صلیبی جنگ کی حمایت کی جاتی ہے وہ بھی المیہ ہی ہے

اسلام اور طالبان میں فرق ہے، ان میں فرق ہی رکھیں​

 

[atensari]

Hamara yeh iman hey k hum Imtehan mien hien ju hum per yeh Musiebtien sawar hien
tumharey biyan k mutabiq Israel ju is waqat tuk sub sey kamiyab Mulak hey wo ALLAH ki taraf sey Madad yafta hey ???

اسرائیل کی کامیابی الله کی ہم سے ناراضگی کی وجہ سے ہے. انہوں نے محمدpbuh کا انکار کر کے اپنا راستہ الگ کر لیا. ہم مسلمان ہونے کا د عوی کرتے ہیں اور پیروی الله کے باغیوں کی کرتے ہیں. الله کی نظر میں ہم منافق ہیں اور الله منافقوں سے کفار کے مقابلے میں زیادہ ناراض ہوتا ہے


جو شریعت کے ایک حصے کو مانتے ہیں اور دوسرے کو نہیں. ان کے لیے الله کے یہی اصول ہے. دینا میں ذلت اور آخرت میں بدترین عذاب​

 

[ImRaaN]

ہان سمجھ لگ گئی نا بس گھٹ کے رکھیں
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[talkingbird2009]

All sort of extremism has to be curbed. Both the goverment forces and the separatists must negotiate and come into trerms for the betterment of the Peoppe of Pakistan.

There is no Alternative to Peace!

 

[zhohaq]

[HI]So basically we should just sit it out and let things go on and concentrate on MQM instead?[/HI]


I did not ask who is behind all this, Im asking what is the alternate way forward.

You have again critiqued the 'all out war policy' that 'non pastho speaking' people want apparently. Are the pashto speaking people happy with how things are unfolding in their region?
Should the 'Punjabi Army' sit back and relax or continue with the making peace with some and fighting with others policy? Isnt this the same failed policy that has put us in the current crisis?

What is the counter narrative to the 'corporate shills'?

If this is what you call a 'cornered splintered outfit' which breaks open jails at whim, raids GHQs and airfileds with the tactitcal training of highly trained commandos then what is your definition of a strong outfit?

Im sorry i lack the intellectual high ground that you possess on all matters so my attempts at responding will 'lack in substance'.

You can look down at me with condescension and wait for someone more your 'higher intellectual' level to respond to.

You really do enjoy knocking over straw mens, don't you? lol
Well as usual you are being disingenuous and rather tedious.
If you don't have the decency of at least reading through an entire post before replying no point dragging this on.

 

[awan4ever]

You really do enjoy knocking over straw mens, don't you? lol
Well as usual you are being disingenuous and rather tedious.
If you don't have the decency of at least reading through an entire post before replying no point dragging this on.

I did read and I also conceded that I lack your intellectual superiority.

Your post was almost completely full of taking jabs at those who want to take military action in Waziristan.

I only asked what was YOUR take on how to handle the situation.

You responded by beating me down with more intellectual superiority by suggesting books on how the West is pushing the war into Pakistan or if I knew what different weapons look and smell like and what they do to the human body. Sounded like a monologue from a hollywood film really.

You kept on raising questions but did not provide any answers even though I conceded that Im not capable enough.

Again I would beg to hear your position on how to 'deal' with these militants.

No taking jabs at the 'corporate shills' who dont speak pashto, the punjbais who dont know what its like to be in a fight or the general low intellected individuals who dont have the depth of insight that you have on the issue clearly because you not only know pashto but also because you head several think tanks on how to deal with such things.

So please. Do enlighten everyone on what is the solution that no one is looking at besides you.

 

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[w-a-n-t-e-d-]

Print ,Electronic or Social Media Pay Rawafiz Jitna Chahayin Propoganda Karlayin Abb Fauj Swat Or Bajor Ki Ghalti nahi Dohraygi Inshahallah
abb Fauj $ Ko Laat mar K Allah swt K Samnay He Sijhda Rayz Hogi Abb Obama K Agay Koe sir Jhuka Ka Nahi Khara Hoga InshahAllah
Iran India Amrica Print ,Electronic or Social Media Pay Jitni Bhaaan Bhaaan Karlayin Nakami Inka Muqadar Banaygi InshahAllah........

 

[janijoker]

Aap ka matlab hai Musalmaan zilat aur gurbat aur jahaalat ki maut marne ke liye paida hua hai aur deegar religions ke log normal,pursakoon aur izzat ki zindagi guzaarne ke liye is dunya mein aye hain ;) Allah se dua hain masoom insanu ko in janwaron ke sharr se mehfooz rakhe...Kia hum yeh samjh lain ke Islam Khuda Nakhasta qtal o gharat gari ka mazhab hai..

Imtihaan Musalmaan ka hota hai, Kafir ka nahin.
Kafir ko tu Allah Ney har haal main choott dey di hai taraqi karney ki.
@Atensari sahi keh raha hai.

 

[احمد]

ایک وقت تھا کہ سری لنکا تامل ٹائیگرز کے ھاتھوں جکڑ کے رھ گیا تھا۔تامل ٹائیگرز جو کہ ھندو ھیں ھمارے خطے میں خودکش حملوں کے موجد تھے۔انڈیا کی آرمی بھیجی گئ جو ناکام ھو کر واپس آئ راجیو کو اسی جرم میں خودکش حملے میں اڑا دیا گیا اور تامل پھلے سے زیادھ طاقتور ھوتے گئے حتی کہ وھ جدید ٹیکنالوجی استعمال کرنے والے ماھر بھی جنگلوں مین لے گئے جافنا کا علاقہ سری لنکا کے اختتام تک تامل ٹائیگرز کے ھولڈ میں تھا۔تامل ٹائیگرز جھاز تک بنانے لگ گئے سری لنکن گورنمنٹ انکے خلاف جدوجھد کرتی رھی اور پھر ایکدن ایک بھادر جرنیل نے تامل ٹائیگرز کو ان کے ٹھکانوں میں گھس کر مارنے کا ارادھ کر لیا اور ایسا کر دکھایا جب تاملز کا ھیڈ اپنی فیمیلی سمیت مارا گیاتو اس کے اردگرد چند لوگ ھی تھے۔لگتا ھی نھیں تھا کہ اتنی خوفناک تنظیم کا خاتمہ یوں پلک جھپکتے میں ھو گیا ھے
طالبان بھی آج بھت طاقتور اور منظم دکھای دیتے ھیں اور فوج اور حکومت کمزور دکھای دیتی ھے۔لیکن ایسا ھر گز نھیں ھے ایسی تنظیمیں جو نظرئیے کی بجاے کراے کے لڑاکوں پر چلتی ھوں اندر سے کھوکھلی ھوتی ھیں۔
بس ایک حوصلہ مند جرنیل کی کمی ھے صرف ایک جرنیل سری لنکا جیسا تب یہ لوگ بھوسے کی طرح بکھر جایئں گے انشا اللہ

تامل ٹائیگرز کے لیڈر کا نام ' پربارکر'' تھا اور اسکو مارنے کیلئے سری لنکا نے پاکستان سے مدد مانگی یا پھر پاکستان نے مدد کی پیشکش، دشمن کا دشمن دوست، کے فارمولے پر عمل کرتے ہوئے،، کیوں کہ انڈیا پربارکر کو سری لنکا کے خلاف استعمال کر رہا تھا، یوں پاکستان آرمی نے وہاں پر اپریشن کیا اور پربارکر کا صفایا کر دیا، سری لنکا پاکستان سےاسلحہ بھی خریدتا ہے ، پاکستان میڈ فائٹر طیارے سری لنکا کے استعمال میں ہیں ، ہماری آرمی بھی دراصل '' گڈ طالبان اور بیڈ طالبان '' کی الجھن میں ہے ، اگر یہ صفایا کرنا چاہیں تو زیادہ دن نہیں لگیں گے ۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔​

 

[Believer12]

تامل ٹائیگرز کے لیڈر کا نام ' پربارکر'' تھا اور اسکو مارنے کیلئے سری لنکا نے پاکستان سے مدد مانگی یا پھر پاکستان نے مدد کی پیشکش، دشمن کا دشمن دوست، کے فارمولے پر عمل کرتے ہوئے،، کیوں کہ انڈیا پربارکر کو سری لنکا کے خلاف استعمال کر رہا تھا، یوں پاکستان آرمی نے وہاں پر اپریشن کیا اور پربارکر کا صفایا کر دیا، سری لنکا پاکستان سےاسلحہ بھی خریدتا ہے ، پاکستان میڈ فائٹر طیارے سری لنکا کے استعمال میں ہیں ، ہماری آرمی بھی دراصل '' گڈ طالبان اور بیڈ طالبان '' کی الجھن میں ہے ، اگر یہ صفایا کرنا چاہیں تو زیادہ دن نہیں لگیں گے ۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔​

بلکل درست یھی میرا پواینٹ ھے ایک جنرل تھا مجھے نام یاد نھیں اس نے طالبان کو جنوبی وزیرستان میں گھیر کر ان کا صفایا کرنے کی اجازت مانگی تھی پر مشرف نے کھا رھن دیو اتنا ھی کافی ھے
ثنا بچہ نے ایک جنرل کو اپنے ٹاکنگ شو میں بلایا تھا جب سوات میں شرمناک معاھدھ کر کے فوج نادم سی پھرتی تھی اور طالبان نے لڑکیوں کو سرعام کوڑے مارنا شروع کر دیے تھے۔تب اس جنرل کو پوچھا گیا کہ کیا ان پر قابو پانا ممکن ھے تو اس نے تجویز دی تھی کہ فوراٌ وھاں فوج گھیرا ڈال کر آبادی کا انخلا کر دے پیچھے صرف دھشت گرد رھ جایئں گے تو ان سے لڑنا آسان ھوجاے گا اس کو ثنا بچہ نے سوال کیا تھا کہ آپ بھت مشھور ھیں اپرشن کرنے میں تو کچھ کریں اس نے فورا کھا کہ میں حاضر ھوں ریٹائرڈ ھوں پر ملک کے لیے ریٹائر نھیں ھوں
فوج نے من وعن اس تجویز پر عمل کیا اور ھم سب نے دیکھا کہ سوات کے لوگ کیمپوں میں آگئے تھے اور فوج نے باقیوں کا صفایا کردیا میں حیران ھوں لڑکیوں کو کوڑے مارنے والے اور لاشوں کو چوک میں لٹکانے والے طالبان کے حق میں میڈیا کتنا شور مچاتا ھے کیونکہ خطرناک مجرم عدالت سے چھوٹ جاتے ھیں اسلیے فوج ان کو خود ھی شوٹ کر دیتی ھے۔

 

[ali-raj]

Aap ka matlab hai Musalmaan zilat aur gurbat aur jahaalat ki maut marne ke liye paida hua hai aur deegar religions ke log normal,pursakoon aur izzat ki zindagi guzaarne ke liye is dunya mein aye hain ;) Allah se dua hain masoom insanu ko in janwaron ke sharr se mehfooz rakhe...Kia hum yeh samjh lain ke Islam Khuda Nakhasta qtal o gharat gari ka mazhab hai..

Jo Allah par yaqeen rakhta hai, us ko har waqt imtihaan sey guzrna parta hai, yeh Imaan ka hissa hai.
Jo Allah par yaqeen he nahin rakhta, woh koi imtihaan kaisay pass karey ga. woh tu bhatka hua hai, Allah key ilawa aur chezon par imaan rakhta hai.

Jahan taak rahee baat saab masail ki, hum Musalamaan hai tu, Namaza parhtey hai, par Allah par yaqeen nahin rakhtey. Shortcuts dhontey hai. Tu phir hamari bhalai kaisay ho. Allah aur Nabi ka hukum Taleem hasil karney ka hai, Hum issey roktey hai. Allah ka hukum masawat ka hai , Hum ghazib hai. aur beshumaar batain, tu bhai, is main Hamra qasoor hai.

 

[muntazir]

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abb Fauj $ Ko Laat mar K Allah swt K Samnay He Sijhda Rayz Hogi Abb Obama K Agay Koe sir Jhuka Ka Nahi Khara Hoga InshahAllah
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tumarey jesey logon ka iss forum per wajood haq aur batil main tameez key ley aik pemana hai iss ley tumari mojodgi aik neemat bhi hai key loog tum ko dekh ker haq aur batil ki tameez kersaktey hain aur tumarey bayanaat hi sabit kertey hain key tumara aqeeda kitna theek hai meri taraf sai hala sheri hai tum koo main nokar burqey wali sarkar daa;).

 

[zhohaq]

I did read and I also conceded that I lack your intellectual superiority.

Your post was almost completely full of taking jabs at those who want to take military action in Waziristan.

I only asked what was YOUR take on how to handle the situation.

You responded by beating me down with more intellectual superiority by suggesting books on how the West is pushing the war into Pakistan or if I knew what different weapons look and smell like and what they do to the human body. Sounded like a monologue from a hollywood film really.

You kept on raising questions but did not provide any answers even though I conceded that Im not capable enough.

Again I would beg to hear your position on how to 'deal' with these militants.

No taking jabs at the 'corporate shills' who dont speak pashto, the punjbais who dont know what its like to be in a fight or the general low intellected individuals who dont have the depth of insight that you have on the issue clearly because you not only know pashto but also because you head several think tanks on how to deal with such things.

So please. Do enlighten everyone on what is the solution that no one is looking at besides you.

You have an awful habit of whining when you run out of anything useful to say.
Solution isnt hard.
Everyone know it and has been repeated ad infinitum.
Every poll every parliamentary resolution in last 10 yr shows this is what the majority of the country wants and has wanted.
Many retired Military analyst or from the bureaucrats have conceded this is the only way forward in the long run.

First step is for elected govt to take control of defense and foreign policy as they are mandated to do so.
Second step to make detailed report of all armed groups the state is engaged with inside and out side FATA.
Third step is to make public parameters for unconditional peace talk for groups that are interested.
Govt should not directly engage but formulate a high powered commission of ex Military, Bureaucrats who have worked in FATA to represent it in the talks.
Fourth is to make public all secret agreements Pak Military undertook with America without making public.
Sixth tell Americans drone strikes will no longer be accepted. Stop all military cooperation that is prolonging war in Afghanistan.
Make a public acknowledgement of Neutrality in this conflict and apologize for being part of the destruction in that war.
Make it clear Pakistan will pursue policy of non interference in neighbours henceforth.
At most just allow American forces to remove equipment as they are planing to move out.
Start official contacts with Afghan Taliban factions let them open office like in Qatar and tell Karazai govt will facilitate peace talks.
Make clear Pakistan will no longer interfere in Afghanistan affairs to achieve its own ends, unless the govt acts against it.

Use this as leverage in propaganda war against armed groups. (Many armed groups try to associate with Afghan Taliban movement to increase their prestige , provide justification for their operations etc)

Prosecute Musharraf and others criminals in Military and others to show govt has made a clean break from previous stance.

Move troops outside FATA (modeled like Jinnah Operation Curzon) after making peace deals through tribal intermediary.

Disband the disastrous policy of making Amn committees.

Station theses troops in adjoining settled districts. Replace these troops with FC battalions that should be redeployed from rest of the country to where they are needed in KPK.

Stop the massive interference from US embassy and Peshawar COnsulate in day to day affairs of KPK govt and FATA secretariat.
If this means a cut from their useless FATA based programme that do more harm then good so be it.

Repeal medieval era laws like FCR or Aid of civilian act 2010. Either make special legislation for FATA and tribes contained within (American/Canadian laws/agreement with Native tribes are an interesting model). Or make a slow process of integration into KPK. Either way increase investments into the areas and working through the tribal/jirga system has to be cornerstone of introducing changed in how FATA is run.

Crack down on networks within military, intelligence and bureaucracy that have fallen under influence of Foreign intelligence agencies.
Has to be sudden and ruthless.

Increase FC size to double or triple current strength. Recruit from Tribes that currently provide recruits to Taliban.

Provide better equipment and training.Use this larger force to go after remaining groups that do not fall in line.

These troops can be provided long term employment by allowing deputation into security companies through out country. Or even provided protection in gulf countries etc. Main idea is to take out military aged recruits out of reach of Armed groups and giving steady employment. Economics trumps idealogy.

At same time organize police force in settle districts and increase number of personal and intelligence.

Allow HR personal and Journalist to operate in Tribal areas to document true extent of the conflict.

Make a truly neutral Truth and Reconciliation council.
But also give sentences to the worst offenders whether they are in the Military of any armed group.

Dismantle network of internment camps,holding centres, torture facilities the Military has set up for its Kill and dump strategy. Prosecute the war criminals involved in this travesty.

Acknowledge all excesses committed by all sides in this useless war.

This is the basic idea.

This for the KPK/FATA insurgency only. Dealing with Urban terrorism of various stripes in Karachi is another matter much harder actually.
Sectarian terrorism that has exploded in last year and the half is another issue altogether.
Balochistan insurgency is whole other can of worms. which frankly I don't think I understand enough to comment on.

 

[M Ali Khan]

You have an awful habit of whining when you run out of anything useful to say.
Solution isnt hard.
Everyone know it and has been repeated ad infinitum.
Every poll every parliamentary resolution in last 10 yr shows this is what the majority of the country wants and has wanted.
Many retired Military analyst have conceded this is the only way forward in the long run.

First step is for elected govt to take control of defense and foreign policy as they are mandated to do so.
Second step to make detailed report of all armed groups the state is engaged with inside and out side FATA.
Third step is to make public parameters for unconditional peace talk for groups that are interested.
Govt should not directly engage but formulate a high powered commission of ex Military, Bureaucrats who have worked in FATA to represent it in the talks.
Fourth is to make public all secret agreements Pak Military undertook with America without making public.
Sixth tell Americans drone strikes will no longer be accepted. Stop all military cooperation that is prolonging war in Afghanistan.
Make a public acknowledgement of Neutrality in this conflict and apologize for being part of the destruction in that war.
Make it clear Pakistan will pursue policy of non interference in neighbours henceforth.
At most just allow American forces to remove equipment as they are planing to move out.
Start official contacts with Afghan Taliban factions let them open office like in Qatar and tell Karazai govt will facilitate peace talks.
Make clear Pakistan will no longer interfere in Afghanistan affairs to achieve its own ends, unless the govt acts against it.

Use this as leverage in propaganda war against armed groups. (Many armed groups try to associate with Afghan Taliban movement to increase their prestige , provide justification for their operations etc)

Prosecute Musharraf and others criminals in Military and others to show govt has made a clean break from previous stance.

Move troops outside FATA (modeled like Jinnah Operation Curzon) after making peace deals through tribal intermediary.

Disband the disastrous policy of making Amn committees.

Station theses troops in adjoining settled districts. Replace these troops with FC battalions that should be redeployed from rest of the country to where they are needed in KPK.

Stop the massive interference from US embassy and Peshawar COnsulate in day to day affairs of KPK govt and FATA secretariat.
If this means a cut from their useless FATA based programme that do more harm then good so be it.

Crack down on networks within military, intelligence and bureaucracy that have fallen under influence of Foreign intelligence agencies.
Has to be sudden and ruthless.

Increase FC size to double or triple current strength. Recruit from Tribes that currently provide recruits to Taliban.

Provide better equipment and training.Use this larger force to go after remaining groups that do not fall in line.

At same time organize police force in settle districts and increase number of personal and intelligence.

Allow HR personal and Journalist to operate in Tribal areas to document true extent of the conflict.

Make a truly neutral Truth and Reconciliation council.
But also give sentences to the worst offenders whether they are in the Military of any armed group.

Acknowledge all excesses committed by all sides in this useless war.

This is the basic idea.

(clap) MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY!

Only genuine transparency, accountability, justice, and fairness is Pakistan's ONLY salvation of its largely self-inflicted crisis thanks to blundering idiocy from past leaders (i.e. Musharraf) and the military establishment.