Swat Mein Baghawat - Dr Israr Ahmed

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mkiani

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Mohtaram Janab Dr Israr Saab,
I have been watching your many lectures and certainly you enlighten many Muslims and none Muslims around the world.
You are well places amongst the great scholars of the modern times. I am a deprived person from the true light of Islam, have certainly benefited from your valuable education.
May Allah bless you for your services SIR?

Just listened to your speech on Swat as well.
May I dare ask some questions so I can have bit better understanding?

1: I am one hundred per cent for Islam and its system providing it is fully implemented with its dynamics and not the stagnation which is preached & practiced by the so called Taliban philosophy.
I do know you are very forward looking scholar and have very keen eyes on western world which is technically and scientifically so much advanced but yet it is spiritually very much empty as it was envisaged by Alama Iqbal during his studies in Europe in thirties. Of course it has decayed much more then those times of Iqbal but western world despite all the ills of the societies, should we not come to this harsh realities that they are still powerful and posses great deal of know how then any of the Islamic countries?
Their economies may well be delicate and many times precarious market base but yet are more resourceful then Islamic countries? How did this happen? Has this occurred overnight?

How we can fulfil this huge gulf?
Obviously through massive investment in education of modern sciences by carrying the pearl of Islamic faith in our hearts and mind then we may in distant future become a formidable force in order to bring true glory and reflection of our faith?
Please forgive me for expressing my options being a mere a drop in the vast sea comparing to you, Sir

2: would you agree with me that key to achieve the above goals are, to have educated women so they can lay the foundation of new generation? If yes then why these Talibans fail to understand this and bent on the path of destroying the education bases.
Knowing the religion and its history is one thing and digesting the inner soul of QURAN, which IQBAL strives for us to do?

No doubt this current system which is practiced in Pakistan or the other Muslim countries is not ideal or is true reflection of IQBALS Pakistan but do we have to demolish every thing we have build so far or is there another dimension to it in order to mould it, without bringing fear to the masses in the name of Islam.

You have yourself described in one of your lecture that terrorism is counter productive, it is just like poking a elephant with a needle. Then due respect all the scholars have left it rather too late in my view, to challenge these elements to grow in a such force?

3: Is there any other way left for us now without plunging in to deeper difficulties? if yes then why not all wise scholars collectively come forward and help the people of Pakistan ?
if our government is not doing the right then advise and guide them to correct path? Or have we really crossed the Rubicon?


From, with a weeping eyes and a very sad heart.
M.Kiani(Oxford)
 

mirchi

Councller (250+ posts)
mkiani said:
Mohtaram Janab Dr Israr Saab,
I have been watching your many lectures and certainly you enlighten many Muslims and none Muslims around the world.
You are well places amongst the great scholars of the modern times. I am a deprived person from the true light of Islam, have certainly benefited from your valuable education.
May Allah bless you for your services SIR?

Just listened to your speech on Swat as well.
May I dare ask some questions so I can have bit better understanding?

1: I am one hundred per cent for Islam and its system providing it is fully implemented with its dynamics and not the stagnation which is preached & practiced by the so called Taliban philosophy.
I do know you are very forward looking scholar and have very keen eyes on western world which is technically and scientifically so much advanced but yet it is spiritually very much empty as it was envisaged by Alama Iqbal during his studies in Europe in thirties. Of course it has decayed much more then those times of Iqbal but western world despite all the ills of the societies, should we not come to this harsh realities that they are still powerful and posses great deal of know how then any of the Islamic countries?
Their economies may well be delicate and many times precarious market base but yet are more resourceful then Islamic countries? How did this happen? Has this occurred overnight?

How we can fulfil this huge gulf?
Obviously through massive investment in education of modern sciences by carrying the pearl of Islamic faith in our hearts and mind then we may in distant future become a formidable force in order to bring true glory and reflection of our faith?
Please forgive me for expressing my options being a mere a drop in the vast sea comparing to you, Sir

2: would you agree with me that key to achieve the above goals are, to have educated women so they can lay the foundation of new generation? If yes then why these Talibans fail to understand this and bent on the path of destroying the education bases.
Knowing the religion and its history is one thing and digesting the inner soul of QURAN, which IQBAL strives for us to do?

No doubt this current system which is practiced in Pakistan or the other Muslim countries is not ideal or is true reflection of IQBALS Pakistan but do we have to demolish every thing we have build so far or is there another dimension to it in order to mould it, without bringing fear to the masses in the name of Islam.

You have yourself described in one of your lecture that terrorism is counter productive, it is just like poking a elephant with a needle. Then due respect all the scholars have left it rather too late in my view, to challenge these elements to grow in a such force?

3: Is there any other way left for us now without plunging in to deeper difficulties? if yes then why not all wise scholars collectively come forward and help the people of Pakistan ?
if our government is not doing the right then advise and guide them to correct path? Or have we really crossed the Rubicon?


From, with a weeping eyes and a very sad heart.
M.Kiani(Oxford)

Yes brother I agree with you. The problem is that we don't have a leader.. Islam is not at fault. We are at fault. Otherwise you have seen how Mohatir Muhammad has made of Malaysia. Very much near to Europe. He had a vision and translated that into action.

I don't agree with all what Taliban are saying. But the problem is that not all Taliban are educated and their world was only limited to their Madrasa.
And more interesting thing that not all people who are with Taliban OR fighting for them are even educated in Madrasaz. Many even don't know the meaning of prayers. Forget about deep knowledge.

Islam doesn't prevent any body to seek worldly knowledge. Never it is mentioned that female cannot get education. They made drastic mistakes in Afghanistan and one of them was preventing female education. Otherwise their government was a great success.

Brother forget about your present government. They don't have brains. They are sitting only to obey foreign orders. I am sure this matter is not that simple to solve now. It will spread now to other areas. How much they will kill? Unless there is economic equality and facilities equal to all, this will continue. Which our present leaders will not give. One day these oppressed people will rise to take their rights.

You see by your own eyes that on the one hand a minority of rich people are having all luxuries available to them but on the other hand the majority who are earning 100-150 Rs per day. How a person with 3-6 children will leave with this money. Have we ever taught a labourer working (a huge number in Pakistan) a whole day of June and July in the sun and getting only 100-150 Rs. Which he is consuming daily to bring ATTA, DAAL, SUGAR and other day today things. What if he is sick or his children are sick. He needs clothes also. He also want to send his children to school but cannot. There are no facilities for him in hospitals. Even the rich are getting free treatments but the poors no. You check the medical bills of the riches sitting in assemblies. RONGTE KARE HO JAINGE, JANAB. WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?

On the other hand look at our leaders. Taking KACHKOL to America and Europe but staying in 5 stars hotels, Going to night clubs, getting Russian girls and giving hundreds of dollars in dance clubs. AND the tragedy is that they are not giving from their pockets but the tax money of those poor who worked for 100-150 Rs/day. HE NA MAZE KI BAAT.
 

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