According to laws of thermo dynamics, energy is eternal, it can neither be created nor destroyed so there is no such thing as absolute nothing. Energy is never used up even when you burn gasoline when you drive, it is just transformed into some other form of energy ie heat.
Just describing the concept of absolute nothing is contrary to logic. The fact that we are trying to describe it makes it something therefore absolute nothing will always be something which means absolute nothing cannot exist.
The closest you can get to absolute nothing is the limit which is inflinitly close to absolute nothing. It is 'close' but not 'completely' absolute nothing.
Everywhere we see in nature, mountains, stars, planets, rivers, lakes all being made naturally without someone 'creating them'. Therefore there is no need nor room for a creator in this universe as far as what we have learned from studying the world around us. We are products of these natural processes.
Complexity comes from simplicity and not the other way round as creationists are suggesting.
Dear vitamin c, stop being silly and start realising why we are discussing things with each other to begin with. It is because we have a problem that faces all of us which if we will not address or solve properly will keep putting us through terribly painful suffering. This is where you are not showing any concern at all otherwise you will not take the line of reasoning that you have taken whereby you are simply put playing with words to avoid real discussion that needs to be had about the issue.
You are claiming that energy always existed and it cannot be destroyed. In my view you are talking nonsense. It is because existence of anything and everything depends upon its creator in each and every way because only and only creator knows purposes for which he creates something. Energy is created by God for serving his purposes and he can destroy it as and when he so decides. So only God could decide what energy was to be or how it ought to behave etc etc. We humans cannot know nature of things or their properties to the full extend. All we can do is assume things and if our assumptions work for us then we can take that as our true understanding of things. For example, we see people get ill then we give them certain things and they become well. Since knowing this helps us live better and reduce painful suffering we take it as a fact or truth for all practical purposes because it benefits us. So you see all our researches start and end on basis of how things harm us or benefit us. Likewise issue of existence of God is the most important issue for us to be able to live a sensible and beneficial life. If it was not that important we will not be discussing it at all as we do.
Almost each and every argument you put forth is nothing but utter nonsense because it has no good purpose to serve. You are always arguing for sake of it. Let me try and explain to you stages of learning for us human beings which we must reach before we could truly argue about existence of God in a sensible and purposeful way.
I think we humans need to go through three stages of learning before we could talk about God in a sensible way. Our first stage of learning is all about things we can detect directly with our senses after our birth. All we need to do is observe what things are and what they do and how they do what they do or why they do what they do. This is how we start rationalising things or this is how we start developing our logical thinking about things from the most simple to the most complex. If we do not learn things to this stage we cannot move on to the next stage. The better we are at reasoning the better is our understanding or comprehension of things. In the beginning we can only perform most simple tasks but as we get busy with our learning in time we come to the stage whereby we can perform most complex tasks due to improvements in our reasoning skill or experience. For example, compare the mechanism involved in a bike to the mechanisms involved in a car or an aeroplane etc. If we do not understand bike mechanism then we surely cannot understand aeroplane mechanisms because they are a lot more complex thing. Moreover if we do not understand visible mechanisms then we cannot understand invisible mechanisms because for that we need to develop higher level of thinking skill or ability. So at stage one of our learning we are only and only able to see links between things we can detect with our senses directly.
Once we have reached first stage of thinking level then comes our second stage of learning which is about things that are not all directly reachable by our senses. Now we try our best to come up with tools or instruments whereby we extend our power of observations or detection. By this stage of knowledge we come to realise the fact that not all that exists is detectable by our senses directly. From here onwards we start calling things visible as well as invisible or detectable as well as undetectable. In other words we come to know by this stage that some things are directly accessible by us and others not. Now stage one of our learning comes to our help if we have trained ourselves well in logical thinking. In case of first stage if one was using a bike for riding and it broke, it will only need a visible inspection to find fault in it eg if a person was riding a bike and was going along but suddenly the turning of pedals became ineffective then one will try to look at the bike to see what may have gone wrong. As the rider inspects the bike visibly he sees the chain has broken down. In this case the bike rider was able to find this fault very easily for two main reasons a)the mechanism was simple and b)the whole mechanism was visible directly to his senses. Had it been a tv set which had broken down then the fault finding process will not be that simple. It is because the tv set will have much more complex circuitry and will be involving many more components as well as some totally invisible things as well. So now we will have to be able to reason things out at a much higher level to figure out the fault. We will have to know functions of components and the involved circuitry as to how exactly these components etc make a tv set work the way it works so that we could assume what could have caused the fault that has developed in the tv set. Once we have reached this stage of learning then we need to go to yet higher stage of learning when we have to deal with things that are totally undetectable with our senses or even with any tools or instruments.
Unless one has reached stage one of thinking level one cannot go to stage two of learning and likewise if one has not mastered stage two of thinking level then one cannot go for stage three of thinking level. Stage one is about directly detectable or sensible things and links between them but stage two involves some detectable as well as some undetectable things or links between them. Stage three however involves things that are not detectable at all by us directly but there effects or affects are made obvious to us through possible explanations alone. No explanation is a visible object because it is only and only our mental process. This is why to know whether there is a God or not or that the quran is a book from God or not we need to be able to reason things out at stage three level. Unless one is really good at this, one can never know the truth with needed reasonable certainty that one needs to know for avoiding painful suffering that humanity has been going through ever since its coming about or coming into being.
This is why taking one bit from the east and another from the west as you and people like you do, you are only exposing your lack of ability to reason things out properly. You have no idea how language works as I explained things for you in another thread, due to which you and people like you think the quran does not contain anything scientific in it. This is why you need to reach these three levels of thinking before you are able to make sense of what I am talking about. You need to learn the fact that whatever information comes from God needs time and effort by human beings to be able to understand it properly. This is very much obvious even among us human beings that we need time to reach levels of understanding of things before we could make proper sense of them. I mean think about why things we do today could not be done by people in the past? It is because they did not reach the thinking and doing level that we have. Likewise we have not yet reached the level of thinking and doing things whereby we could understand the quran properly. Imagine a father and mother have multiple phds but they cannot teach their new born baby whatever they know right away? Why not? Because the baby has to learn how to think and do things at his own pace of leaning things. This is why before being able to understand things properly we cannot criticise or discredit them just because we do not understand them due not reaching the level needed for understanding them.
So start thinking things the right way. Check first if you can understand the visible world, if not try harder and harder. This is our foundational stage of learning. Unless we can reason things that are visible as to how they are interlinked or linked together as a unit we cannot go onto next stage of learning whereat visible and invisible things are interlinked or linked with each other as units or systems. Likewise we cannot see invisible links between God and his revelation and creation unless we have reached that stage of our learning but once we do all will become revealed to our minds. Again you and people like you will have problems because you people do not think explanation is a proof. You people think proof is only that which is visible. Again I explained this already for you in another thread that actual proof is the best possible explanation of something and not the thing outside your mind ie an object. It is because objects outside our minds also need explanations for our minds so that our minds could understand things as to how they are linked or why. Just as physical things are linked together physically so non-physical things are linked together non-physically. This is why they are called explanations or sets of reasons because in any explanation we have reasons linked together in a way to make sense to our minds.
So you have a lot to learn yet before you could discuss idea of existence of God or creation or revelation let alone dismiss existence of God by your senseless reasoning method. I told you right before you started discussing things with me that you are not an atheist because none can be an atheist in true sense of the word. You are just not religious because you do not like religion the way people understand it because it rather than helping humanity hinders it and causes terrible harms and destructions to humanity. However my problem with people like you is you people do not learn things which you need to learn to understand the quran properly. Why only the quran? Because no other book in this world even claims to be word of God. Read them you will soon become aware of this fact. I know this because I have read those books. They are all available on line. I remember giving you link to them in another thread. The only book which claims to be word of God is the quran. Whether the quran is truly word of God or not we will have to find out by ourselves as individuals and that means learning things which help us do that. Your answer to all this is, only people write books not God. If you are not even prepared to consider such a possibility which you must to be logically or rationally consistent then what is your point in discussing things other than wasting your own time as well as of others? People like you also say, we have not seen God handing over a book to Muhammad or that we have no independent witness to this effect. You people just like mullahs have no sense that the quran is a stand alone book. This is why it calls itself KITAABUN MUBEEN. Do you know what these words mean? Mullahs will tell you it is book in which things are made clear. Yes the quran is that as well but these words in the proper context of the quran mean the quran is a stand alone book or a book that stands out as word of God. It does because it is the only book that claims to be from God. No other book in the world does that.
In contrast look at the new testament of the christian bible. It does not even claim to be word of God and when we read it, we are told it is written by Matthew, Luke, mark and John etc and not God. In other words it is a book written by people who are talking about God in their own words. This clearly contradicts christian claim that the bible is revealed word of God. So does it make sense to call a book word of God when the book itself does not even claim to be so and claims otherwise? So why waste one's life following a book which does not even claim to be word of God? The same is true about vedas or avesta or hebrew bible or sikh granths etc. People who claim to be muslims almost all of them are stupid also because they have mistranslated or misinterpreted the quranic text and they are wasting their lives following nonsense of their mullahs. This is why their lives are miserable because they have betrayed the promise they made with God to look after his revealed message by understanding it proeprly and acting upon it faithfully. They did not keep up with their covenant with their God. As I told you before I take almost all people as stupid be they philosophers or scientists or religious leaders etc etc because they have not bothered to raise their levels of thinking as much as they needed to, to understand things properly in their proper context so that we human beings could come out of painful suffering and so that we could turn this world into a living paradise for all of us by following the God given program. As I see it you are not helping even yourself by living the way you are. Yet you dare to talk about human values and human rights etc. You can never do anything good for for yourself or humanity so long as you remain in this mindset.
This is why clear distinction is made by God between people who are Godly and humanist and those who disregard God and humanity. So people who are rebels in the eyes of God will always burn in hell of their own making. So you better think of saving yourself and others or be ready to face consequences of your own harmful and destructive thoughts and actions like all others who have brought upon themselves such situations that they ended up in terrible situations and spent rest of their lives regretting their thoughts and actions. All I can say is, you have whole life ahead of you so live it the way it should be lived. Don't get carried away by all kinds of nonsense instead learn to be a sensible person while there is still time before things end up terrible and you too end up regretting for rest of your life in here as well as in hereafter. As I told you before in another thread avoid living a confused life. Try to gain certainty as much as it is possible for you according to the best of your God given abilities. The quran is the only book in the world worth studying in depth. Once you have reached the level of understanding it properly, it will certainly prove to you that it is truly from God. No human being can produce such a book even today or even in the future. Find out why not? Remember a proof is not necessarily a single point rather all involved points make a proof a proof. Just like any mechanism of any machine. All its components make it what it is. Once you will read the quran properly things will gradually become clear for you. This should be very much obvious for you from the posts I made in response to your posts on this forum. The point to understand is that objections you have been raising I have been clarifying them for you. Had you that level of understanding of things by yourself then you will not have needed my help or you will have raised those points as objections to begin with. This shows you still have a lot to learn and I hope you do for your sake as well as mine. Why for sake of me? Because without your help I cannot make this world a better place just as you cannot without my help. The reason is we are all in the very same boat so if any of us will rock the boat all of us will end up drowned. This is why we cannot allow each other to think and do stupid things which create needless dangers for all of us.
regards and all the best.