Remembering the siege of Holy kaba in Makka in 1979

samar

Minister (2k+ posts)
Remembering the 1979 seige of Holy Kaaba

The Grand Mosque Seizure on November 20, 1979, was an armed attack and takeover by armed Islamist dissidents of the Al-Masjid al-Haram in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, the holiest place in Islam. The insurgents declared that the Mahdi, or redeemer of Islam, had arrived in the form of one of the insurgents' leaders, Abdullah Hamid Mohammed Al-Qahtani and called on Muslims to obey him.
The seizure shocked the Islamic world as hundreds of pilgrims present for the annual hajj were taken hostage, and hundreds of militants, security forces and hostages caught in crossfire were killed in the ensuing battles for control of the site. The siege ended two weeks after the takeover began with militants cleared from the mosque.[1]
Following the attack, the Saudi state implemented stricter enforcement of Islamic code.[2]

The seizure was led by Juhaiman ibn Muhammad ibn Saif al Utaibi, who belonged to a powerful family of Najd. He declared his brother-in-law Muhammad bin abd Allah al-Qahtani to be the Mahdi, or redeemer of Islam, whose coming at endtimes is foretold in many ahaadith of Muhammad(S.A.W. Although one of the essential signs to know the Mahdi is that he is a descendant of Muhammad, Muhammad bin abd Allah al-Qahtani was not a descendant of the Prophet of Islam, since he belongs to Al-Qahtani tribe. However, the fanatics overlooked this by relying on the fact that Al-Qahtani's name and his father's name are identical to the Prophet's name and father, and they used one of the Prophet's sayings "His and his father's names were the same as Muhammad's and his father's, and he had come to Mecca from the north" to justify their opinion. Furthermore, the date of the attack, November 20, 1979, was the first day of the year 1400 according to the Islamic calendar, which according to another hadith, was the day that the Mahdi would reveal himself.[3]
Juhaiman Saif al Otaibi was from "one of the foremost families of Najd. His grandfather had ridden with Abd al Aziz in the early decades of the century."[4] He was a preacher, a former corporal in the Saudi National Guard, and former student of revered conservative Sheikh Abdel Aziz al Baaz, who went on to become the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia. Juhaiman had turned against al Baz, "and began advocating a return to the original ways of Islam, among other things; a repudiation of the West; an end of education of women; abolition of television and expulsion of non-Muslims." [5] He proclaimed that "the ruling Al Saud dynasty had lost its legitimacy, because it was corrupt, ostentatious and had destroyed Saudi culture by an aggressive policy of Westernization."[6]

Otaibi and Qahtani had met while being imprisoned together for sedition, when Otaibi claimed to have a vision sent by God telling him that Qahtani was the Mahdi. Their declared goal was to institute a theocracy in preparation for the imminent apocalypse. Many of their followers were drawn from theology students at the Islamic University in Medina, which was known as a center of the Muslim Brotherhood. Other followers came from Yemen, Kuwait, and Egypt and also included some Muslim African-Americans. The followers preached their radical message in different mosques in Saudi Arabia without being arrested.[7] The government was reluctant to confront religious extremists. Members of the ulema cross-examined Otaibi and Qahtani for heresy, but they were subsequently released as being traditionalists harkening back to the Ikhwan, like Otaibi's grandfather, and not a threat.[8]
Because of donations from wealthy followers, the group was well-armed and trained. Some members, like Otaibi, were members of the National Guard.[9] Some National Guard troops sympathetic to the insurgents infiltrated weapons, ammunition, gas masks, and provisions into the mosque compound over a period of weeks before the new year.[10] Automatic weapons were stolen from National Guard armories, and the supplies were hidden in the hundreds of tiny underground rooms under the mosque that were used as hermitages.[11]

1 Benjamin, The Age of Sacred Terror (2002) p.90
2 Wright, Sacred Rage, (2001), p.155
3 Benjamin, The Age of Sacred Terror, (2002) p.90
4 Mecca - 1979 Juhaiman ibn Muhammad ibn Saif al Utaibi, globalsecurity.org
5 Wright, Sacred Rage, (2001), p.152
6 Military, Mecca, 1979 Juhaiman ibn Muhammad ibn Saif al Utaibi, globalsecurity.org
7 Wright, Looming Tower, (2006), p.88-9
8 a b Wright, Looming Tower, (2006), p. 103 - softcover
9 Wright, Looming Tower, (2006), p. 102 - softcover
10 Benjamin, The Age of Sacred Terror, (2002), p.90
11a b Wright, Looming Tower, (2006), p. 104 - softcover

source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Mosque_Seizure

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Below is the Kharji leader look at his face he claimed to be imam mahdi.

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A Video interview of the book writer
[video=google;63320228838951049]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=63320228838951049#[/video]

Have look at the pictures thoroughly its the most sacred mosque of the world

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so stop using the propag@nd@ of Lal Masjid
 
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molvirpg

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
With over 2 trillion dollars only stored in the US and Britain and Zionist banks in the personal name of Saudi Royal Family members, above is the fate of those who challenge them.


Thousand of these spoiled royal Saudi debauches roam around the globe from Marrakesh, Monty Carlo, Dubai and Vegas desperately seeking white womens flesh.
Infiltration into websites to spread disinformation is part of Psyops by the western intelligence outfits.
 

babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
with over 2 trillion dollars only stored in the us and britain and zionist banks in the personal name of saudi royal family members, above is the fate of those who challenge them.


thousand of these spoiled royal saudi debauches roam around the globe from marrakesh, monty carlo, dubai and vegas desperately seeking white women’s flesh.
infiltration into websites to spread disinformation is part of psyops by the western intelligence outfits.

you forgot to mention "marbellas", "vale do lobos"
 

rehbar

Citizen
so stop using the propag@nd@ of Lal Masjid[/QUOTE]

This Mecca operation was also led by Pervez Musharraf, He used same tactics on Lal Masjid Muslim...He is Serial Killer.... so don't equate two different incidents. Both got different reasons.
 

itsnotme90

Minister (2k+ posts)
Lal masjid was a proper madrasa and people who were in that masjid was students and local residents and some foreign nationals who were studying there . Lal masjid was established long time ago and that was running with public charity no body invade lal masjid except our army. the people who martyr in lal masjid were there from long time they didnt came out of no where. the weapons they had were part of jihad movement which was running by pak army for kashmir and afghanistan so these people got used by our agency until they needed and when america change its point of view so they all become terrorist.
 

samar

Minister (2k+ posts)
This Mecca operation was also led by Pervez Musharraf, He used same tactics on Lal Masjid Muslim...He is Serial Killer.... so don't equate two different incidents. Both got different reasons.

both are mosques ,in both cases armed men had taken positions inside................one thing different those inside kaba did not use women as human sheilds.
 

rana14801

Senator (1k+ posts)
that operation was done during the period of Gen. Zia ul haq. since killing and and fight had to be avoided at masjid ul Haram,water was filled in basement and it was electricutted with high voltage shocks, that forced the QABZA GROUP to come out of their hide outs and thus the operation was completed.if the operation was carried out under MUSHARAF there as my brother Rahber has pointed out, Musharaf could use same tactics here at Lal masjid as well and they could get vacation.but it was a diffrent situation here. so without knowing actual facts it may not be appropriate to refer Lal masjid all the time.
 

samar

Minister (2k+ posts)
that operation was done during the period of Gen. Zia ul haq. since killing and and fight had to be avoided at masjid ul Haram,water was filled in basement and it was electricutted with high voltage shocks, that forced the QABZA GROUP to come out of their hide outs and thus the operation was completed.if the operation was carried out under MUSHARAF there as my brother Rahber has pointed out, Musharaf could use same tactics here at Lal masjid as well and they could get vacation.but it was a diffrent situation here. so without knowing actual facts it may not be appropriate to refer Lal masjid all the time.

ye kahani shayad aap ne zia ul haq se hi sunee hogee.i think you have no knowledge about the incident.
aapne shayad tasaveer nhi daikheen vo phankhey kia electric shock se terhey ho gaie hain.deevaro me kia electric shock k sorakh hain.(yapping)
plz open your eyes and read the thread before giving comments
 

baqa

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Mr Samar
You believed on the Saudi government version of the story. You should try to find out the reality of that. I have spoken to the people who were inside the Haram and listened the speech by their leader. I myself have visited Haram Shareef just after 3 weeks of that incident. This is one of the most controversial indecent in Saudi history. It's better not to comment on this if you are unaware of the reality.
 

samar

Minister (2k+ posts)
Mr Samar
You believed on the Saudi government version of the story. You should try to find out the reality of that. I have spoken to the people who were inside the Haram and listened the speech by their leader. I myself have visited Haram Shareef just after 3 weeks of that incident. This is one of the most controversial indecent in Saudi history. It's better not to comment on this if you are unaware of the reality.

brother i welcome your argument:

plz share with us what you know about it
 

rehbar

Citizen
both are mosques ,in both cases armed men had taken positions inside................one thing different those inside kaba did not use women as human sheilds.

There is saying that " difference between Nikah and Zinah is only the perception" killing in Macca have justification but there was no justification for Lal masjid killing.
 

Night_Hawk

Siasat.pk - Blogger
The incident @ Mecca was a tragic one.
There was exchange of fire guns.
We went for Ummarah in 1982, you could see the bullet holes and marks in many parts of the Masjid-Al-Haram.
They did use water and electricity later on.
 

rana14801

Senator (1k+ posts)
yes initially there was exchange of gun fire between saudi forces and QABZA GROUP i have given a reality that how Pakistani forces did the operation. at that time i was serving in Pakistan army as an officer. although i was not part of the operation carried out there.what were the resons and what Saudi govt has stated , they shall stand answerable to Allah if it was false statement . plz do not post comments without knowledge and do not compare every one as u r ur self. when some one talks about some facts he has knowledge other wise we r not here for fun only.
 

Night_Hawk

Siasat.pk - Blogger
yes initially there was exchange of gun fire between saudi forces and QABZA GROUP i have given a reality that how Pakistani forces did the operation. at that time i was serving in Pakistan army as an officer. although i was not part of the operation carried out there.what were the resons and what Saudi govt has stated , they shall stand answerable to Allah if it was false statement . plz do not post comments without knowledge and do not compare every one as u r ur self. when some one talks about some facts he has knowledge other wise we r not here for fun only.

Thank You for your input.
We should not be guessing, if we do not know the facts.
 

YAHYA87

Senator (1k+ posts)
Innocent children and women were not burned to death with white phosphorus in Kaaba
Innocents....Right they were innocents despite they had weapons inside the Masjid...They were innocents despite they took law in their hands....they were innocents despite CONTINUOUS GOVT. APPEAL to GET out of their and given a deadline for DAYS to come out of Lal Masjid but they didnt....here is a news Flash for you about innocents...

 

samar

Minister (2k+ posts)
yes initially there was exchange of gun fire between saudi forces and QABZA GROUP i have given a reality that how Pakistani forces did the operation. at that time i was serving in Pakistan army as an officer. although i was not part of the operation carried out there.what were the resons and what Saudi govt has stated , they shall stand answerable to Allah if it was false statement . plz do not post comments without knowledge and do not compare every one as u r ur self. when some one talks about some facts he has knowledge other wise we r not here for fun only.

Rana sahab plz inform us more about it at least i am interested to know more about it
 

samar

Minister (2k+ posts)
Innocent children and women were not burned to death with white phosphorus in Kaaba

Just watch and listen i can share dozens of more video clips ,these are for all those whose first priority is truth ,not for those whose first priority is their so called maslak, not for those whose eyes are closed because of their maslaki affiliation.

Its a shame that first the propa****a was launched that they attacked a masjid .........jee masjid me hamla astaghfirullah tauba tauba lakin abb bolti bnd ho gaee he abb baat inocent pe agaee he kio??

isliaey k unkey rehnumao ne Khana e kaba me ye kaam kia jo musharraf ne lal masjid me kia.

yahan pe baree daleelain le kr atee ho i know tum is forum pe kia post krtey ho ore kia nazriat hain tumharey isi liaey abb khan kaba valey vakiey pe ankhain bnd ho jatee hain.

merey khial me tum ne tasveerain nhi daikhain jb lohey k phankhoon ka ye haal ho gaya he to insano ka kia haal hoa ho ga.

khud jo b karo vo theek lakin dosra karey to kufr or shirk k fatwey.

 

rana14801

Senator (1k+ posts)
dear samer, initialy efforts were made by Saudi forces to get them out.during the operation Qabza group had denied all efforts and of course they had weapons i mean auto weapons and other ammunition. later all MUFTEE agreed and reminded the govt and Qabza group that KAABA is a place where we cannot have fight and it is a place of absolute peace. We Pakistanies were equally worried about the incident like all other Umma.our Army thought of getting them out without fighting but how. our forces reached on this solution by the grace of Allah. Qabza group's aim or purpose is not known to me. we only know what Saudi govt has stated.the plan was executed. water was filled at basement where people of Qabza group were hiding and electric shocks were passed ( not the continous electric current) thus they could not stay hiding and had no place except to be out of water. they came out. arrested and handed over to Saudi authorities. what all was done to them and how, that is Saudi dealings i cannot comment any thing on that. i hope i satisfy u. this what i can recall. Allah may forgive me if i have quoted any thing wrong because i have quoted all to the best of my memory. long time has passed now and i m also into my mid sixties.
 

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