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News Night with Talat - 30th July 2012 - Engr. Agha Waqar Ahmed & Dr. Atta ur Rehman(Can a car run
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abdullah.drs
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Re: News Night with Talat - 30th July 2012 - Agha Waqar Ahmed - A Pakistani engineer who has invented a car that runs on water!
Now this is how shows are done...Such a balance show it is...Dr Ata has some very valid questions that need answers..Hamid Mir should learn something from Talat...
Now this is how shows are done...Such a balance show it is...Dr Ata has some very valid questions that need answers..Hamid Mir should learn something from Talat...
Pak1stani
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: News Night with Talat - 30th July 2012 - Agha Waqar Ahmed - A Pakistani engineer who has invented a car that runs on water!
some details
http://www.squidoo.com/run_car_with_water
some details
http://www.squidoo.com/run_car_with_water
awan4ever
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: News Night with Talat - 30th July 2012 - Agha Waqar Ahmed - A Pakistani engineer who has invented a car that runs on water!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water-fuelled_car
[h=3]Thushara Priyamal Edirisinghe[/h]Also in 2008, Sri Lankan news sources reported that Thushara Priyamal Edirisinghe claimed to drive a water-fuelled car about 300 kilometers[SUP][35][/SUP] on three litres of water.[SUP][36][/SUP][SUP][37][/SUP] Like other alleged water-fuelled cars described above, energy for the car is supposedly produced by splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen using electrolysis, and then burning the gases in the engine. Thushara showed the technology to Prime Minister Ratnasiri Wickramanayaka, who "extended the Government’s full support to his efforts to introduce the water-powered car to the Sri Lankan market."[SUP][36][/SUP]
Thushara was arrested a few months later on suspicion of investment fraud.[SUP][4][/SUP]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water-fuelled_car
[h=3]Thushara Priyamal Edirisinghe[/h]Also in 2008, Sri Lankan news sources reported that Thushara Priyamal Edirisinghe claimed to drive a water-fuelled car about 300 kilometers[SUP][35][/SUP] on three litres of water.[SUP][36][/SUP][SUP][37][/SUP] Like other alleged water-fuelled cars described above, energy for the car is supposedly produced by splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen using electrolysis, and then burning the gases in the engine. Thushara showed the technology to Prime Minister Ratnasiri Wickramanayaka, who "extended the Government’s full support to his efforts to introduce the water-powered car to the Sri Lankan market."[SUP][36][/SUP]
Thushara was arrested a few months later on suspicion of investment fraud.[SUP][4][/SUP]
Re: News Night with Talat - 30th July 2012 - Agha Waqar Ahmed - A Pakistani engineer who has invented a car that runs on water!
I wish I was their to Answer that Ignorant President of Pakistan Institute of Sciences.
Excellent job and well done but read to the following
Regarding the generation of Energy
1) Energy can not be created or generated (this is the rule of science) But it can be transformed, The stupid scientist who is saying that energy can not be created is right but
The water kit that he made is not actually generating or creating energy it is transforming the energy
2) The water H2o is already energy so they are not creating the energy, what they are doing is they are Transforming the H2O into H H O. so it is transformation of energy not creation of it.
NOW this is their secret that how the are doing that transformation
And After listening to Agha's (Generation of Energy) Answer I believe he is not the real inventor but the guys with him are actually the real inventors or may be he is more of a doer than thinker.
I wish I was their to Answer that Ignorant President of Pakistan Institute of Sciences.
Excellent job and well done but read to the following
Regarding the generation of Energy
1) Energy can not be created or generated (this is the rule of science) But it can be transformed, The stupid scientist who is saying that energy can not be created is right but
The water kit that he made is not actually generating or creating energy it is transforming the energy
2) The water H2o is already energy so they are not creating the energy, what they are doing is they are Transforming the H2O into H H O. so it is transformation of energy not creation of it.
NOW this is their secret that how the are doing that transformation
And After listening to Agha's (Generation of Energy) Answer I believe he is not the real inventor but the guys with him are actually the real inventors or may be he is more of a doer than thinker.
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Re: News Night with Talat - 30th July 2012 - Agha Waqar Ahmed - A Pakistani engineer who has invented a car that runs on water!
Think is this they have done what no one in the world could have done shame on u who is saying that he is nothing whatever is the answer at the end product is there and its working thats it
Think is this they have done what no one in the world could have done shame on u who is saying that he is nothing whatever is the answer at the end product is there and its working thats it
unique
MPA (400+ posts)
Re: News Night with Talat - 30th July 2012 - Agha Waqar Ahmed - A Pakistani engineer who has invented a car that runs on water!
what a genius...remember every one...energy is not created , its transformed.
Re: News Night with Talat - 30th July 2012 - Agha Waqar Ahmed - A Pakistani engineer who has invented a car that runs on water!
I believe that no one of these guys have any knowledge of the topic Conservation/Transformation of Energy especially that stupid president of science and tech
I believe that no one of these guys have any knowledge of the topic Conservation/Transformation of Energy especially that stupid president of science and tech
aliasghar81
MPA (400+ posts)
Re: News Night with Talat - 30th July 2012 - Agha Waqar Ahmed - A Pakistani engineer who has invented a car that runs on water!
My friend I hope for all our sake that this is true. But he is using too little electrical energy to create huge thermal energy to run the car. So thats not simple transformation but means he is creating more thermal energy to run the car from very little electrical energy..
That guy is a PHD and its a bit harsh to call him stupid.
Yes water can be split into H2 and O2 by electrolysis but it usually requires a lot more electricity to produce enough H2 and O2 to run a car then simple battery. In this case its likely that he is using 1kj of electrical energy to produce may be ten times more thermal energy. Thats where he is breaking the law of thermodynamics.
My friend I hope for all our sake that this is true. But he is using too little electrical energy to create huge thermal energy to run the car. So thats not simple transformation but means he is creating more thermal energy to run the car from very little electrical energy..
That guy is a PHD and its a bit harsh to call him stupid.
Yes water can be split into H2 and O2 by electrolysis but it usually requires a lot more electricity to produce enough H2 and O2 to run a car then simple battery. In this case its likely that he is using 1kj of electrical energy to produce may be ten times more thermal energy. Thats where he is breaking the law of thermodynamics.
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awan4ever
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: News Night with Talat - 30th July 2012 - Agha Waqar Ahmed - A Pakistani engineer who has invented a car that runs on water!
Yes the guy with a Phd in Chemistry, over 852 publications in leading international journals in several fields of organic chemistry including 662 research publications, 18 patents, 110 books and 59 chapters in books published by major U.S. and European presses doesnt know what he is talking about.
Good argument.
Yes the guy with a Phd in Chemistry, over 852 publications in leading international journals in several fields of organic chemistry including 662 research publications, 18 patents, 110 books and 59 chapters in books published by major U.S. and European presses doesnt know what he is talking about.
Good argument.
saeed khan
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: News Night with Talat - 30th July 2012 - Agha Waqar Ahmed - A Pakistani engineer who has invented a car that runs on water!
It is truth that Dr sb is the first qualified person who gave comments on this kit.
Dr sb is 100% correct but looks like he misunderstood how the car is getting energy.
The best thing is that a group of scientists experiment on this car a few months and then if they certify then give it a no objection certificate ( NOC ).
It is truth that Dr sb is the first qualified person who gave comments on this kit.
Dr sb is 100% correct but looks like he misunderstood how the car is getting energy.
The best thing is that a group of scientists experiment on this car a few months and then if they certify then give it a no objection certificate ( NOC ).
Re: News Night with Talat - 30th July 2012 - Agha Waqar Ahmed - A Pakistani engineer who has invented a car that runs on water!
With all due respect to Dr. Atta-ur-Rehman, he himself, being a scientist and an experienced researcher, should not have down-rightly discarded whatever these guys were saying about their technology. Instead, he should promote such radical ideas and keep pushing the boundaries in the field of science and technology.
There is nothing definite in the field of science, it is evolving and changing everyday. An absolute statement in discarding any technology in this field is "NON-SENSICAL."
With all due respect to Dr. Atta-ur-Rehman, he himself, being a scientist and an experienced researcher, should not have down-rightly discarded whatever these guys were saying about their technology. Instead, he should promote such radical ideas and keep pushing the boundaries in the field of science and technology.
There is nothing definite in the field of science, it is evolving and changing everyday. An absolute statement in discarding any technology in this field is "NON-SENSICAL."
aliasghar81
MPA (400+ posts)
Re: News Night with Talat - 30th July 2012 - Agha Waqar Ahmed - A Pakistani engineer who has invented a car that runs on water!
I agree that this car should be tested by scientists and engineers before passing any verdict on this.
I agree that this car should be tested by scientists and engineers before passing any verdict on this.
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Re: News Night with Talat - 30th July 2012 - Engr. Agha Waqar Ahmed & Dr. Atta ur Rehman
I have few doubts on claim,
1) What he is saying that virtually would transformed the world forever and for good. Potentiallay Millions of Billions of $ on stake and this guy is waiting for a meager approval of govt to file Patent , Is he serious ???
2) Viability of claims is doubtful , no one can deny basic principle but the question is How ?
3) This man didnt use a single technical bit of data which make a literate / engineer how much energy is given vs how much is obtained.
I have few doubts on claim,
1) What he is saying that virtually would transformed the world forever and for good. Potentiallay Millions of Billions of $ on stake and this guy is waiting for a meager approval of govt to file Patent , Is he serious ???
2) Viability of claims is doubtful , no one can deny basic principle but the question is How ?
3) This man didnt use a single technical bit of data which make a literate / engineer how much energy is given vs how much is obtained.
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Re: News Night with Talat - 30th July 2012 - Agha Waqar Ahmed - A Pakistani engineer who has invented a car that runs on water!
No they should check the principle how he is making it, that is why patent is imp, any one can make people fool for hour or two
No they should check the principle how he is making it, that is why patent is imp, any one can make people fool for hour or two
Re: News Night with Talat - 30th July 2012 - Engr. Agha Waqar Ahmed & Dr. Atta ur Rehman
This guy is a FRAUD.
- test his apparatus. Test amount of electricity in and amount of hydrogen out.
- do not test the car. It is irrelevant.
- I believe hedisconnect the CNG but runs car on petrol while posing that the car is running on water.
I strongly support Dr. Ata ur Rehman. He was correct.
This guy is a FRAUD.
- test his apparatus. Test amount of electricity in and amount of hydrogen out.
- do not test the car. It is irrelevant.
- I believe hedisconnect the CNG but runs car on petrol while posing that the car is running on water.
I strongly support Dr. Ata ur Rehman. He was correct.
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Re: News Night with Talat - 30th July 2012 - Engr. Agha Waqar Ahmed & Dr. Atta ur Rehman
In this case exhaust gases should be checked too
In this case exhaust gases should be checked too
Re: News Night with Talat - 30th July 2012 - Agha Waqar Ahmed - A Pakistani engineer who has invented a car that runs on water!
The Idea is nonsensical as this is a well known scam.
As the doctor said A foundational idea of Chem/Physics is the
"Law on COnservation of Energy"
Just follow me for a minute:
1. Electrical energy(derived from burning furnace oil or coal) stored in a battery is used to split water via Electrolysis to H2 Gas and 02 gas. The efficeincy of this process is about 50-70 %.
2. The H2 produced is used in the engine to power motion and turns into water (H20) The efficiently of an internal combustion engine is around 30%-50%.
In net you can see you are losing much more energy than you are putting in. Infact in the end you are probably using less then 10 % of the original energy you put in to this whole process. Runing a car by tying it to a thousand chickens is probably about as efficient. Of course the Idea is Nonsensical.
He is probably charging the battery at home as the proffesor pointed out. Using the stored electricity to split water that runs the engine for maybe 15 min or so. There is nothing radical about the Idea. ANy one who payed attention at FSC level chemistry knows this is a joke. Not a very original one either.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water-fuelled_car
The Idea is nonsensical as this is a well known scam.
As the doctor said A foundational idea of Chem/Physics is the
"Law on COnservation of Energy"
Just follow me for a minute:
1. Electrical energy(derived from burning furnace oil or coal) stored in a battery is used to split water via Electrolysis to H2 Gas and 02 gas. The efficeincy of this process is about 50-70 %.
2. The H2 produced is used in the engine to power motion and turns into water (H20) The efficiently of an internal combustion engine is around 30%-50%.
In net you can see you are losing much more energy than you are putting in. Infact in the end you are probably using less then 10 % of the original energy you put in to this whole process. Runing a car by tying it to a thousand chickens is probably about as efficient. Of course the Idea is Nonsensical.
He is probably charging the battery at home as the proffesor pointed out. Using the stored electricity to split water that runs the engine for maybe 15 min or so. There is nothing radical about the Idea. ANy one who payed attention at FSC level chemistry knows this is a joke. Not a very original one either.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water-fuelled_car
