News Night with Talat - 30th July 2012 - Engr. Agha Waqar Ahmed & Dr. Atta ur Rehman(Can a car run

[rehanahmad]

This is fraud on grand scale... but anything is possible in the kingdom of zardari...
Why is he not patenting such a "maverick" breakthrough? All his emphasis is on getting government "support".
He knows his patent application will be quickly rejected as they dont register perpetual motion machine patents.

H2O is super stable bond. Hydrolysis requires a lot of energy to break this bond.

Energy + 2H2O = 2H2 + O2

When the released hydrogen gas is burnt it gets re-oxidized i.e.

2H2 + O2 = 2H2O + heat

i.e. it becomes water again.

In this closed cycle how can any extra energy be produced? Please think. Doctor rightly said it would amount to creating energy which is against first law of thermodynamics.

 

[wafaqian]

Pakistani Govt. Pakistani Scientists, Pakistani Media...
yeh sab itnayyyyyyyyyyyyyy aaram talab kesay ho saktay hain...?
aik banday ne aik claim kiya... k oss ne car design ki jo pani pe chal sakti hai...
ab Pakistan Govt ki baat karo... unhon ne kaiii dinnn meetings ki...
Pakistani Scientist ne straight away keh diya k possible he nahi hai... kyon k science k rules aesa kehtay hain... jab k science Qur'an nahi hai... science ka takreeban har rule with the pessage of time change hota aaya hai... khair
Media ne bhi over all 8/10 hours ki transmission chala di... different channels pe...
now my point is... that guy might be a cheater... might be a fraud... but agar yeh sabhi log, idaaray ossay jhoota karnay k liye next week mein 1 din iss car ko drive kar lain... ossay jhota sabit karnay k liye he sahi but kar lain...
car oss ki, technology oss ki, mehnat oss ki, even pesa oss ka in sab ko just ossay try karna hai.. aur apni zindagi ka just 1 dinnn dena hai...
baki yeh kehna k jee japan ne try kiya, sri lanka mein try kiya geya fail hogeya so ab yeh ho he nahi sakta rehnay he dou... yeh shayad theek nahi...
haan iss banday ko fake samajhtay howay aap investment na shoro karo... just iss car ko aik baar check karo...aur phir kaho k dekha yeh possible nahi thaaa... kyon k science ka aik rule aur bhi hai... jo shayad sab se porana rule hai k..."Tajarbay k baghair aap kuch bhi saabit nahi kar saktay"

 

[ramay67]

ڈاکٹرعطاءالرحمن صاحب جس قطعیت سے انکارکر رہےہیں یہ بات میری سمجھ سے باہر ہے۔ سائنس کا کوئی کلیہ یا قانون حرف آخر نہیں ہے۔
.ہائیڈروجن کو بطور ایندھن استعمال کرنا خطرناک اور مشکل ضرور ہے مگر اسکا بالکل انکار کرنا بھی مناسب نہیں ہے​

 

[darkinsky]

Re: News Night with Talat - 30th July 2012 - Agha Waqar Ahmed - A Pakistani engineer who has invented a car that runs on water!

The Idea is nonsensical as this is a well known scam.
As the doctor said A foundational idea of Chem/Physics is the
"Law on COnservation of Energy"
Just follow me for a minute:
1. Electrical energy(derived from burning furnace oil or coal) stored in a battery is used to split water via Electrolysis to H2 Gas and 02 gas. The efficeincy of this process is about 50-70 %.
2. The H2 produced is used in the engine to power motion and turns into water (H20) The efficiently of an internal combustion engine is around 30%-50%.

In net you can see you are losing much more energy than you are putting in. Infact in the end you are probably using less then 10 % of the original energy you put in to this whole process. Runing a car by tying it to a thousand chickens is probably about as efficient. Of course the Idea is Nonsensical.

He is probably charging the battery at home as the proffesor pointed out. Using the stored electricity to split water that runs the engine for maybe 15 min or so. There is nothing radical about the Idea. ANy one who payed attention at FSC level chemistry knows this is a joke. Not a very original one either.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water-fuelled_car

see this

http://www.reuters.com/video/2008/06/13/water-fuel-car-unveiled-in-japan?videoId=84561

 

[yhameed81]

Re: News Night with Talat - 30th July 2012 - Agha Waqar Ahmed - A Pakistani engineer who has invented a car that runs on water!

With all due respect to Dr. Atta-ur-Rehman, he himself, being a scientist and an experienced researcher, should not have down-rightly discarded whatever these guys were saying about their technology. Instead, he should promote such radical ideas and keep pushing the boundaries in the field of science and technology.
There is nothing definite in the field of science, it is evolving and changing everyday. An absolute statement in discarding any technology in this field is "NON-SENSICAL."

Friend,

Please dont humiliate such a respectable scientist around the world. He has spent whole life in that area and know in and out of what is energy creation and transformation.

May be to Dr. sb its like if someone in crowd claims that he can change a man into a goat, a mature person in crowd knows its false claim so he would say "this is non-sense" where children with less knowledge will be surprised and excited. Dr. sb like a mature man and we are those children who dont have any knowledge and disrespect such a brilliant scientist..

For God sake learn to respect those who have already proven themselves and let this engineer face to real criticism. Yeh jo loog is page per science ki definitions Dr. sahib koo sikha rahe hain woh kud un colleges/universities se parhe hain ji main research dooor dooor nahi hai.. bus internet se cheezain utha kar copy paste kar hai hain...

 

[M.Aslam]

Re: News Night with Talat - 30th July 2012 - Engr. Agha Waqar Ahmed & Dr. Atta ur Rehman

As for dr.ataurehman's concern about battery's power ,the alternator in the car automatically recharge the battery when the car is running so if its only battery then I will go for agha waqar but at the same time ,before driving check ,there should be no petrol in the car tank , then drive the car on water.If these things met the criteria then it means -everything is ok.Car can be driven on water.In US, already they have tested this formula and they drove the car on water but oil companies are the problems in the way.

Allah karey ye fraud na ho, ........ but for a while think about it, fuel mafia has trillion of business, yar isi petrol ki waja sey kitni wars hoye hein, . Agar ye invention workable hoye tu he is in danger zone.
do you think petrol mafia who ruling the world can allow this kind of invention to be patent.

 

[cofcol]

Its so amazing that how ignorant people of pakistan are. People on this forum have access to internet but do not even bother to google this idea of generating energy from water. The guy who is claiming this invention does not even know the basic engineering of an automobile engine. Major battery use in a car is for starting the car, after the car is started, all the electricity comes from car generator (just passes thru battery to stabilize it). Everyone who owns a car know that if you forget to turn off headlights and come back after one hour the battery will be dead. Jump start the car and car dynamo will start charging the battery again.

There has been experiments in the world where hydrogen produced by water is mixed with gasoline to make the combustion more efficent and get more milage from same amount of gasoline but in the end could not be sustainable.

 

[deviliicious]

This shows the synergy in our nation. Its a simple thing if this happens in some other country in west. First of all this shows that as a nation we dont want to be innovative at all. If someone comes up with something new or existing technology but improved version we will start questioning without reasoning or start pulling legs. Secondly we misguide people, although if this is true it can be an invention which can change the image of Pakistan worldwide. There is a proper way to investigate this; unfortunately our governments are impotent in every way. There is no body on government level where such things can be recognized and certified. Media is bringing people who are not concerned with science at all or if they are they are not rationalizing.

 

[adnan_younus]

Re: News Night with Talat - 30th July 2012 - Agha Waqar Ahmed - A Pakistani engineer who has invented a car that runs on water!

aaap bhi us syaein kee tarha khaddey ho... wht dr ata is saying is very simple elementary physics.... and this is not new.. there are amateurs who have made cars to rn with water for some time...

in usual petrol car as dr ata said.. the energy is produced just by burning petrol... battery is not used in this combustion process... the dynamo does charge the battery using petrol enery i.e. motion of the car....

here the cheeta sayein is contniusly using the battery for the electrolysis process .. eventually the battery will run out and the electrlysis process will die down....

the stupidity if the sayein is evident from the fact when he gave the analogy of how normal car runs on battery for hours.. IT DOESNT.. battery is not used in combustion.. it is used in initial trigger to he combustion and then petrol takes over...

the effort is commendable as he also made this kit like other.. but he shudnt fool the nation by stupid theories...

there are tutorials on youtube on how to make a car run with water...

I wish I was their to Answer that Ignorant President of Pakistan Institute of Sciences.
Excellent job and well done but read to the following
Regarding the generation of Energy
1) Energy can not be created or generated (this is the rule of science) But it can be transformed, The stupid scientist who is saying that energy can not be created is right but
The water kit that he made is not actually generating or creating energy it is transforming the energy
2) The water H2o is already energy so they are not creating the energy, what they are doing is they are Transforming the H2O into H H O. so it is transformation of energy not creation of it.
NOW this is their secret that how the are doing that transformation
And After listening to Agha's (Generation of Energy) Answer I believe he is not the real inventor but the guys with him are actually the real inventors or may be he is more of a doer than thinker.

 

[adnan_younus]

[hilar][hilar][hilar][hilar]

aap ratta factory kee eejad to nahi ho?????

There are three steps to the process.....

1. The current supplied by the battery is used to break the bond b/w H2O to produce Hydrogen
2. Hydrogen runs the engine (Not The Electricity By Battery as misunderstood by Dr. ATTAURRehman)
3. The running of the engine charges the battery

Law of thermodynamics doesn't get violated if
1. The current is supplied using pulse width modulation using phenomenon of resonance, Resonance is a phenomenon in which a signal with low energy if supplied at the right frequency will break up the H2O bond, triggering a large amount of breakup with minimum energy supply to sustain the breaking of bond.
Hydrogen bonds arise in waterwhere each partially positively*charged hydrogen atom is
covalently attached to a partially negatively charged oxygen from a water molecule with bond energy
of about 492 kJ per mol
2. For the idea to be successful they must have found a way to break up H2O using a new phenomenon or technique

Still handling H2 is very dangerous
From WIKI
Hydrogen poses a number of hazards to human safety, from potential detonations and fires when mixed with air to being an asphyxiant in its pure, oxygen-free form.[SUP][114][/SUP] In addition, liquid hydrogen is a cryogen and presents dangers (such as frostbite) associated with very cold liquids.[SUP][115][/SUP] Hydrogen dissolves in many metals, and, in addition to leaking out, may have adverse effects on them, such as hydrogen embrittlement,[SUP][116][/SUP] leading to cracks and explosions.[SUP][117][/SUP] Hydrogen gas leaking into external air may spontaneously ignite. Moreover, hydrogen fire, while being extremely hot, is almost invisible, and thus can lead to accidental burns

 

[Urooj_lbw]

All fraud, dekhte hen ke CNN BBC kab jaagte hen oor hamara mazaaq ye awaara Pakistani Media aik martaba phir se kab urwaata he, bohot afsos ki baat he

 

[Cute_Devil]

Dr atta is really a wanker, he is getting jealous bcoz he hasn't done any thing but got a piece of paper which is called degree, there is huge difference between practical and theory, plz tell some one about this to Dr DICKHEAD.