MQM begging Americans not to treat and consider them as Criminals and Terrorists : WIKILEAKS

crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
We are not criminals, honest. Look at us, we have done so much work in Karachi, from the money Musharaf gave us, don't you worry if we have sent half of the funds to London, to "Bhai" the Don. But honest, we are not criminals. What is killing few thousands to have our authority established. You can not hold us responsible for doing that. Honest we are not criminals, please do not consider us as criminals and terrorists.

Can't you see we are "secular" read it as "Bedeen" and always supporting USA and its policies. This alone should persuade you to turn a blind eye to our crimes. We are with you not against you.

And by the way, please ask your neighbor Canada not to treat our party as terrorists organisation. Please convince them to treat us different. We are not terrorists and killers, we only killed few thousands, what is the big deal?

American Ambassador verdict, despite being Criminals thugs, MQM is still getting popular (amongst the criminals).
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Spartacus

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
We are not criminals, honest. Look at us, we have done so much work in Karachi, from the money Musharaf gave us, don't you worry if we have sent half of the funds to London, to "Bhai" the Don. But honest, we are not criminals. What is killing few thousands to have our authority established. You can not hold us responsible for doing that. Honest we are not criminals, please do not consider us as criminals and terrorists.

Can't you see we are "secular" read it as "Bedeen" and always supporting USA and its policies. This alone should persuade you to turn a blind eye to our crimes. We are with you not against you.

And by the way, please ask your neighbor Canada not to treat our party as terrorists organisation. Please convince them to treat us different. We are not terrorists and killers, we only killed few thousands, what is the big deal?

American Ambassador verdict, despite being Criminals thugs, MQM is still getting popular (amongst the criminals).
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MQM,s popularity is growing . ( N.W.Paterson ....... 29.01.2008)
 

aasimnaveed

MPA (400+ posts)
badmaashi k shawahid milney k baawajoood maqbooliyat paa rahi hai MQM ... wah koi badmaash bhi ho or maqbool na ho .. woh badmassh nahin shareef hota hai ...
[hilar][hilar]:lol::lol::lol:[hilar][hilar]
abb aya na camel pahar k neechay ... abb kero baat ... kon minntein kerta hai US AMBASSADOR ki .. wah ji wah ...
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
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elipst

Minister (2k+ posts)
We are not criminals, honest. Look at us, we have done so much work in Karachi, from the money Musharaf gave us, don't you worry if we have sent half of the funds to London, to "Bhai" the Don. But honest, we are not criminals. What is killing few thousands to have our authority established. You can not hold us responsible for doing that. Honest we are not criminals, please do not consider us as criminals and terrorists.

Can't you see we are "secular" read it as "Bedeen" and always supporting USA and its policies. This alone should persuade you to turn a blind eye to our crimes. We are with you not against you.

And by the way, please ask your neighbor Canada not to treat our party as terrorists organisation. Please convince them to treat us different. We are not terrorists and killers, we only killed few thousands, what is the big deal?

American Ambassador verdict, despite being Criminals thugs, MQM is still getting popular (amongst the criminals).
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*Sigh* Make up your mind man. In an earlier post you were claiming MQM works on a CIA agenda and is in American lap, now you are claiming America pays no attention to MQM.

Will you Lie as much as you can to defame MQM? If you believe this then kindly withdraw your earlier comments about MQM being CIA agents or whatever.
 

elipst

Minister (2k+ posts)
The whole cable just to stop whatever propaganda anti-MQM people are spreading. I dont know whether to believe this or not but if this is true then this is indeed sad that America are the real power makers in Pakistan.

2008: MQM told US ‘stop ignoring us’From the Newspaper
(12 hours ago)
Today


ID:139128
1/29/2008 13:36
Embassy Islamabad
CONFIDENTIAL
ISLAMABAD 000421
SIPDIS
E.O. 12958: DECL: 01/22/2018
TAGS: PREL, PGOV, PTER, PK

SUBJECT: MQM LOOKING FOR RESPECT

REF: ISLAMABAD 405 ISLAMABAD 281

Classified By: Anne W. Patterson, for reasons 1.4 (b)(d)

1. (C) Summary. The Muttahida Quami Movement (MQM) based in Karachi appears to be transforming itself from a group of thugs to a service-based grass-roots political party. Expecting to win 20-25 seats in the upcoming National Assembly elections, MQM also sees itself as a potential kingmaker in formation of the next government. MQM wants some respect from the USG for its political development, secularism, and continued support for our policies. End Summary

2. (U) Ambassador, Consul General and Polcouns met January 25 with Muttahida Quami Movement (MQM) mayor Mustafa Kamal and hosted MQM leaders Farooq Sattar and Haider Abbas Rizvi for dinner. Ambassador also met in Karachi with the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) Co-Chairman Asif Zardari (Ref A), the American Business Council, Farooq Hassan, Chief Executive of the Management Association of Pakistan, and former President of the Supreme Court Bar Association Munir Malik (septel).

Young, Activist Mayor
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3. (C) At age 36, Mustafa Kamal is a young mayor overseeing an ethnically diverse population of over 16 million people in a city with enormous infrastructure challenges (see also Ref B). Kamal proudly recounted his rise from modest middle-class roots through the MQM party structure. Upon election, he was told by MQM leader Altaf Hussain that he must be the mayor for “all of Karachi, not just for MQM supporters.” Kamal seems to have taken this advice to heart by providing basic water and sewer services to neighborhoods of the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) and others who have long been neglected by their own parties’ leadership. Kamal boasted that Karachi now provides 68% of all GOP tax revenues.

4. (C) Kamal replaced the traditional revenue maker of a land selloff for the elite with new public-private partnerships that lease land to those willing to develop it to expand the city’s tax base. He collected taxes dating back forty years by publishing the names of tax evaders, although he lamented that he had to give the revenue to the federal government before he received his share of collections. He pushed through development of new highways and overpasses to ease traffic congestion and razed houses that encroached on city property to expand public parks.

5. (C) Ambassador asked why Karachi had such a bad reputation despite infrastructure progress. Kamal said the PPP under Benazir Bhutto had embarked in the 1990’s on a series of extra-judicial killings that exacerbated ethnic tensions in the city. MQM’s popularity grew as the population increasingly wanted law and order and protection from violence. He claimed MQM’s disciplined party organization and its practice of delivering services without discrimination was responsible for its growing electoral base. But the bad memories persist.
Don’t Ignore Us
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6. (C) Kamal noted that during the difficult 1990’s, the U.S. never condemned the on-going human rights violations in Karachi. Ambassador said that there had been a perception that MQM was more of a criminal group than a political party, but that we had taken note of MQM’s efforts to improve its image and its activities. Saying that the MQM was now popular and had an expanding power base, Kamal urged that the U.S. “stop ignoring us.”

7. (C) Sattar and Rizvi repeated that same ‘please don’t ignore us’ theme during dinner at the Consul General’s residence. They pointed out that MQM was avowedly secular and had repeatedly supported USG policy but was treated like a terrorist group. In fact, Sattar asked for USG assistance in convincing the Canadian immigration service to stop listing the MQM as a terrorist organization; Ambassador responded that we knew that the Canadian policy was affecting some asylum cases in the U.S. We would examine what might be possible on outreach to Ottowa on this question.

Post-Election Coalition
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8. (C) Sattar both defended Musharraf and complained about the Pakistan Muslim League’s (PML) continued dependence on feudal politics that the MQM has abandoned. He noted that MQM had supported Benazir’s return, and Altaf Hussain was one of the first to offer Zardari condolences on her assassination. Still, he made it clear that MQM could work with either a PML- or PPP-led coalition government after the elections. He predicted that MQM would win 20-25 seats in Karachi, but agreed that plans to expand the party’s base had been undercut by blame over the May 12 riots. Sattar admitted it was perhaps not wise to have organized a countervailing demonstration to the one organized for the former Chief Justice. But he argued (unconvincingly) that the decision not to intervene and stop the rioting would have caused additional violence. Sattar pointed out that 14 MQM party members had died in the violence that left approximately 40 dead.
Altaf Hussain Returns?
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9. (C) Kamal, Sattar and Rizvi all confirmed that Altaf Hussain had expressed an interest in returning to Pakistan, but this idea had been rejected by the party. They feared that another assassination attempt would be made and they would be left leaderless. Nevertheless, while leaving dinner, Sattar indicated that Hussain could, in fact, be induced to return with the right deal for inclusion in a coalition government. (Note: According to press reports, President Musharraf met with Hussain in London this week.)
The National Reconciliation Ordinance signed by Musharraf to give Bhutto and others immunity from prosecution reportedly benefited many MQM members; if Musharraf extends the NRO, this may increase Hussain’s willingness to return from self-imposed exile.

10. (C) Comment: Despite some continuing evidence of thuggery, MQM is making progress in emerging as a popular grass-roots political party, and it clearly is improving city life in Karachi. As Musharraf’s visit to Hussain demonstrated, PML very much wants to keep MQM in its coalition corner. But the PPP’s Zardari (Ref A) also believes a coalition with MQM would be possible. Like some of Pakistan’s other small parties, MQM also sees itself as a possible kingmaker in forming the next coalition government.
PATTERSON

http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/28/2008-mqm-told-us-stop-ignoring-us.html
 
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WatanDost

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
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Originally Posted by Spartacus
MQM,s popularity is growing . ( N.W.Paterson ....... 29.01.2008)

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Originally Posted by Spartacus
MQM is getting Popularity - US Ambassador Report


Yeah haqiqat mai bohat popular hain
Awam sai bhi ziada yeah QABARISTAAN mai pasand kiye jatey hain
Aap ko andar ki baat bataoon Altaf Hussain ANJUMAN E GORKANAA ka ta hayaat Sadar hai.
Kioon kai sab sai ziada business MQM hi daiti hai inhain.
Laikin ab awam in ki ASLIAT ko pehchaan rahey hain
Breaking News Jald aney wali hai
MQM - Mutahida Qabar Mai
 

crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
*Sigh* Make up your mind man. In an earlier post you were claiming MQM works on a CIA agenda and is in American lap, now you are claiming America pays no attention to MQM.

Will you Lie as much as you can to defame MQM? If you believe this then kindly withdraw your earlier comments about MQM being CIA agents or whatever.

Well, do you know how the cookies crumbles in the world? Paterson belongs to State Department, she only deals with political side of things. So they were begging her not to treat as criminals.

CIA deals with the criminals, so the discussion of MQM with their real masters would be different. They are getting instructions from them how to cause more problems for Pakistan. And what their role would be when they come for Pakistan. Everyone should remember my words, MQM is a traitors party, they are going to perform the same role performed by people like Maliki and Chelabi in Iraq to destroy their country.

AH is sitting in exactly same way and on same deals like they were sitting and getting around $20ml a year from CIA.
 

virus

Senator (1k+ posts)
maqbool ho rahi hay lakin kiss baat main ?

bhata lanay main
target killing main
awam ko blackmail karne main
ab ur kon kon sa karname biyan karoon main in k
 

crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Elipst,

Read Patterson comments rather than her narration of what had been conveyed to her by MQM.

1. (C) Summary. The Muttahida Quami Movement (MQM) based in Karachi appears to be transforming itself from a group of thugs to a service-based grass-roots political party.

6. (C) Kamal noted that during the difficult 1990s, the U.S. never condemned the on-going human rights violations in Karachi. Ambassador said that there had been a perception that MQM was more of a criminal group than a political party, but that we had taken note of MQMs efforts to improve its image and its activities. Saying that the MQM was now popular and had an expanding power base, Kamal urged that the U.S. stop ignoring us.

8. (C) Sattar admitted it was perhaps not wise to have organized a countervailing demonstration to the one organized for the former Chief Justice. But he argued (unconvincingly) that the decision not to intervene and stop the rioting would have caused additional violence.

(C) Comment: Despite some continuing evidence of thuggery,

So from her comments at the start from a group of thugs, to the bottom comments continuing evidence of thuggery. Patterson was of the opinion MQM is a party of thugs. Very damning indeed. She start the cable with her considered opinion of group of thugs and ended it with continuing evidence of thuggery, meaning she was not convince from the presentations of the MQM leaders and concluded they are still thugs with evidence.

Also profoundly her comments about lame excuses given by Sattar on 12th May killings. She added in the brackets unconvincingly, meaning she didnt buy the crap and lies of Sattar and hold MQM responsible for killings on 12th May.
 

w-a-n-t-e-d-

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Mujay bhi tu lift karaday!!!!

lolzz

abb haider abbas rizvi kia kahayga ??

Talkshows main tu dosro pay tanqeed karta tha k wikeleaks nay in sabki poll khol khol di xyz...


abb khodh ki dhoti khol gaeee hai
 

elipst

Minister (2k+ posts)
So from her comments at the start from a group of thugs, to the bottom comments continuing evidence of thuggery. Patterson was of the opinion MQM is a party of thugs. Very damning indeed. She start the cable with her considered opinion of group of thugs and ended it with continuing evidence of thuggery, meaning she was not convince from the presentations of the MQM leaders and concluded they are still thugs with evidence.

Also profoundly her comments about lame excuses given by Sattar on 12th May killings. She added in the brackets unconvincingly, meaning she didnt buy the crap and lies of Sattar and hold MQM responsible for killings on 12th May.

So after holding America responsible for every evil in Pakistan and accusing them of every crime form lying to terrorism, the Americans to you are suddenly the beacon of truthfulness?

Just because an American is saying what you want them to say... You decided to throw in your lot with you 'former' and Pakistan's worst enemy. Goes to show how cheap human dignity is, how easily Pakistanis can be bought. You know we shouldn't be complaining about our politicians bowing down to America when we ourselves can be bought for a few words... Something to think about.

You accuse Qadiyanis of being traitors and hypocrites and what not but you should perhaps look at yourself, when you, just to spite a party, you decided to join up with the Americans.

And to your reply-whatever.. MQM maybe a lot of things but they dont sell their soul to condemn an enemy like you have. Peace.
 

elipst

Minister (2k+ posts)
And these thugs will ask for separation, when their masters will tell them to.

Well their supposed 'masters' are here condemning them and apparently have never supported them. Perhaps you should read before commenting