Mansoor Ijaz( Qadyani) who is playing a very big role in destroying Pakistan. He is a Mosad Agent.

[ConcernedPakistani]

kar lo jo karna hai!

Aukaat chohe ki he tabhi aik forum per dhamkian de rahe hen janab. wah ji wah

 

[Scorpion]

M ALi Khan

If you consider Qadiyanis as Muslim than what ever justification you give I ll not beleive it and I declare you a Bloody Munafiq/Murtid may you rest in Hell . . . . .

Now dont say that who gave me the authority to declare you as such as you your self declared those Qadiyanis as muslims and who gave you the authority to do such as that . . . . .

They been declared Kafirs as per our Law . . . .

There fore Keep Shut

 

[Wadaich]

only because of Deobandi/Barelvi propaganda thanks to that opportunistic badmash Maududi!

I consider Ahmedis/Qadiyanis as MUSLIMS. They dont believe in some other 'prophet' but have their own khalifa. the believe in same quran, same hadith, same sunnah (and its various versions)

so that is enough to be called a Muslim

kar lo jo karna hai!

The worm from Mirza Kazaab's dirt hole is exposed.

 

[ConcernedPakistani]

so that is enough to be called a Muslim

To be a muslim is very simple. One God and Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) was the last prophet. Thats the basics. Thats it. Qadiyanis dont believe that Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) was the last prophet. Therefore they are non-muslims

 

[Abdul Allah]

Do you have evidence and permission from Allah to do that? Nope you DONT!

According to Islam, ONLY ALLAH CAN DECIDE WHO IS MUSLIM AND WHO IS KAFIR! Dont take Allah's task into your own hands!

They way you are talking shows that you are an ahmadi your self

So for your information
MGA
and his all KHAILIFA
declare every other non Ahmadi as non muslim READ THERE BOOKS

one of them even said that even if someone have not hear the name of MGA is not muslim

READ THERE BOOKS

 

[Scorpion]

Ehraz

My missing friend . . . I think the dose that I gave you the last time was not enough for you . . .

You need another dose you Bloody Qadiyani . . . .

Should I starts Narrating the vulgarities of that vulgar British agent That bloody Mirza Ghulam Ahmed . . . .

 

[Abdul Allah]

only because of Deobandi/Barelvi propaganda thanks to that opportunistic badmash Maududi!

I consider Ahmedis/Qadiyanis as MUSLIMS. They dont believe in some other 'prophet' but have their own khalifa. the believe in same quran, same hadith, same sunnah (and its various versions)

so that is enough to be called a Muslim

kar lo jo karna hai!

HA HA HA
you are funny

They do not believe on any other prophet :) what a joke it is.
Then who is MGA for them.
READ HIS BOOKS
READ BOOKS of HIS KAHALIFAs them you might get the truth.
or may be you are not talking about Ahmadiya movement but there lahori sect who try to fool others by saying that we do not believe MGA as prophet
lahori sect is a minority withing this minority (and by the way lahori sect is it self a proof that Ahmadis are not right)

 

[Scorpion]

Ehraz and M Ali Khan

As per the saying of your bloody Prophet the Mirza May his soul rest in Hell . . . .

Those who are against us are ****** and Kanjerian . . . . .

Now this is that so called Soft image of which you are talking about . . .

M Ali Khan . . . I think afraid that your father and mother be called as Kanjars that you declared Mirza a prophet and his bloody followers as muslims . . . .

 

[Abdul Allah]

on mtA < to expand your horizon you should watch mtA.
To judge who is blessed by the Almighty Allah and who is cursed in the world is something that has to be looked at with open eyes.Even me as an Ahmadi Muslim do feel ashamed when rest of the world call Pakistan Terrorist... Terror has become synonym for Islam... Top Terrorist like OBL & his followers were glorified as Jahadi to make business with the west to beg more money... such kind of thing doesn't bother you at all, but us. It is only the Jamaat-e-Ahmadiyya who convey the true and peace-loving message of Islam to the world community and defend Islam at any cause - even than if we have to pay with our life's.
YOU TAKE BLOOD TO KILL PEOPLE - WE GIVE OUR BLOOD TO SAVE LIFE
WHERE IS THE PROOF FOR HIS BEING AN AHMADI???
My advice to you is stop such childish acts, read the books, seek the truth yourself rather than listening to maulvis.

You must be aware of the fact that
Rasool Allah pbuh have already predict that you must have read that Hadith in which He said
Muslims will be under problems and other nations will gather against them just a hungry people gather around food.

And he have mention the reason of this already in that hadith. and it was not what you are trying to say.

So if you think with care then this hadith is enough to prove that you jamat is not on right path.

 

[Scorpion]

I feel no hesitation from declaring you the Qadiyanis as blood sucking leeches . . . ..

If time permits me in future I ll narate the treason committed by these Qadiyanis In 65 war where they tried there level best to harm our airforce . . . . .

there HQ in Tel Aviv is another proof of their cospiracy . . . .. .

 

[Abdul Allah]

Ehraz and M Ali Khan

As per the saying of your bloody Prophet the Mirza May his soul rest in Hell . . . .

Those who are against us are ****** and Kanjerian . . . . .

Now this is that so called Soft image of which you are talking about . . .

M Ali Khan . . . I think afraid that your father and mother be called as Kanjars that you declared Mirza a prophet and his bloody followers as muslims . . . .

Dear
I can feel the anger in you.
But you know we are the follower of Hazrat Muhammad pbuh. so avoide to use such language.

as this usage of this type of language suits to follower of MGA who love to use that type of language in his books.

But not to follower of last prophet Hazrat Muhammad pbuh.

 

[Ehraz]

ConcernedPakistani, Raaz, Abdul Allah, Scorpion, Wadaich. Actually you guys don't qualify to debate because of your lack of information and ill-manner. Don't push yourself towards making fool of yourself and think twice while passing comments. Your approach is full of hatred and intolerance... make use of Hiqmat and intellect. By cursing people, killing people, spreading hate and intolerance etc. you ain't gonna reach nothing but damaging yourselves and making a peace-loving religion (Islam) unattractive for non-Muslims. What does Islam say about preaching the religion? I heard it was ‘La Iqraha FidDinn’ - there is no ‘jabar’ (force required) in the preaching of Islam. When the Holy Quran says there is no forceful way of spreading Islam, why are your clerics and people like you oppressing others in the name of Islam? Do you see us Ahmadis cursing at anyone else belief/religion? NO, because that's not what we are taught! We respect every religion and you guys should learn to do the same. To me it is a clear way of saying what Hazur (saw) taught us does not matter, only what those ignorant molvis say matters.

You have been using extremely poor/foul language for quite some time and I kept quiet on it but no more. I do not communicate with those who are ill-mannered, misbehaving and use abusive language. You have learned only one thing to be abusive towards your opponents if you can't counter their arguments. History shows that Kuffar of Mecca were abusive towards Holy Prophet (saw) and his companions. Holy Prophet (saw) and his companions were always forgiving them. Just search the i-net and you will find who is following the footsteps of Kuffar of Mecca and who is following the sunnah of Holy Prophet (saw).
So I stop argue until you guys give up using abusive language.

I reply to your arrogance in this beautiful persian couplet of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad [Promised Messiah and Imam Mahdi (as)]: "Ba'daz Khuda Ba'ishqe Muhammad Mukhammaram...Gar KUFR eeN bawad, BaKhuda sakht Kafirum." (Translation: I am intoxicated in the love of Muhammad after the love of Allah. If this is called kufr, then by God I am the biggest Kafir).
I am pleased with Allah as my Lord, with Islam as my religion and Muhammad (saw) as my prophet. I hope you got the answer to your statements.
OPEN YOUR EYES, EARS AND HEARTS AND SAVE YOUR SELF FROM HELL!

Just to clarify the Ahmadiyya belief on Khatm-e-nabuwat
- Ahmadis do believe Hazrat Muhammad (saw) to be the Khatim-un-Nabiyyeen.
- Ahmadis believe that Hazrat Muhammad (saw) was the Seal of all prophets, the best, the one most loved by Allah Almighty and the one with whom Allah Almighty completed his religion.

 

[M Ali Khan]

How many one of you have actually READ their books???

I doubt any of you have but I am pretty sure you have an orgasm reading Maududi's murderous hate speech book called 'Qadiyani Fitnah' that let to riots and killed thousands of Ahmedis across Punjab in 1950s!

My request to all your self-styled Mard-e-Momins is to read the Justice Munir Report of 1953 that specifically debunked these claims of Deobandi Barelvi b.s. about what is a Muslim!

 

[M Ali Khan]

I feel no hesitation from declaring you the Qadiyanis as blood sucking leeches . . . ..

If time permits me in future I ll narate the treason committed by these Qadiyanis In 65 war where they tried there level best to harm our airforce . . . . .

there HQ in Tel Aviv is another proof of their cospiracy . . . .. .

what you gonna do? present an article written by the fraudiya named Dr Shahid Qureshi??

 

[Abdul Allah]

ConcernedPakistani, Raaz, Abdul Allah, Scorpion, Wadaich. Actually you guys don't qualify to debate because of your lack of information and ill-manner. Don't push yourself towards making fool of yourself and think twice while passing comments. Your approach is full of hatred and intolerance... make use of Hiqmat and intellect. By cursing people, killing people, spreading hate and intolerance etc. you ain't gonna reach nothing but damaging yourselves and making a peace-loving religion (Islam) unattractive for non-Muslims. What does Islam say about preaching the religion? I heard it was ‘La Iqraha FidDinn’ - there is no ‘jabar’ (force required) in the preaching of Islam. When the Holy Quran says there is no forceful way of spreading Islam, why are your clerics and people like you oppressing others in the name of Islam? Do you see us Ahmadis cursing at anyone else belief/religion? NO, because that's not what we are taught! We respect every religion and you guys should learn to do the same. To me it is a clear way of saying what Hazur (saw) taught us does not matter, only what those ignorant molvis say matters.

You have been using extremely poor/foul language for quite some time and I kept quiet on it but no more. I do not communicate with those who are ill-mannered, misbehaving and use abusive language. You have learned only one thing to be abusive towards your opponents if you can't counter their arguments. History shows that Kuffar of Mecca were abusive towards Holy Prophet (saw) and his companions. Holy Prophet (saw) and his companions were always forgiving them. Just search the i-net and you will find who is following the footsteps of Kuffar of Mecca and who is following the sunnah of Holy Prophet (saw).
So I stop argue until you guys give up using abusive language.

I reply to your arrogance in this beautiful persian couplet of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad [Promised Messiah and Imam Mahdi (as)]: "Ba'daz Khuda Ba'ishqe Muhammad Mukhammaram...Gar KUFR eeN bawad, BaKhuda sakht Kafirum." (Translation: I am intoxicated in the love of Muhammad after the love of Allah. If this is called kufr, then by God I am the biggest Kafir).
I am pleased with Allah as my Lord, with Islam as my religion and Muhammad (saw) as my prophet. I hope you got the answer to your statements.
OPEN YOUR EYES, EARS AND HEARTS AND SAVE YOUR SELF FROM HELL!

Just to clarify the Ahmadiyya belief on Khatm-e-nabuwat
- Ahmadis do believe Hazrat Muhammad (saw) to be the Khatim-un-Nabiyyeen.
- Ahmadis believe that Hazrat Muhammad (saw) was the Seal of all prophets, the best, the one most loved by Allah Almighty and the one with whom Allah Almighty completed his religion.

Do not run away
Will you please show me my any post where i use abusive language ?
As i am not follower of MGA as abusive language is his trade mark.


you said
You have learned only one thing to be abusive towards your opponents if you can't counter their arguments.

WOW
I wonder than why are you still an Ahmadi? have you read his books? or do i need to show you his beautiful words towards his opponents
well here are few for your entertainment

you also said
Do you see us Ahmadis cursing at anyone else belief/religion?
well I saw(read) there LEADER doing that so what else is needed need prove?

Talk with reference Ehraz

you are following a person who was not sure that what Allah have reveal to him and what is the meaing of so called wahi he got. and He request a gair nabi to translate wahi for him so that he could understand it but still remain in doubt that it is correct translation or not.

please do not hide your self from truth read his books that is the only way you can get rid of it.

 

[Abdul Allah]

How many one of you have actually READ their books???

I doubt any of you have but I am pretty sure you have an orgasm reading Maududi's murderous hate speech book called 'Qadiyani Fitnah' that let to riots and killed thousands of Ahmedis across Punjab in 1950s!

My request to all your self-styled Mard-e-Momins is to read the Justice Munir Report of 1953 that specifically debunked these claims of Deobandi Barelvi b.s. about what is a Muslim!

Thousand of Ahmedi killed huh?
any way

I have read his books and I have downloaded all those books directly from ahmadi official website . and i have much surety that i may be a regular visitor of that website more than any other ordinary Ahmdi himself.

I have to visit it as they love to change page numbers of the books(why?) so i have to go and download fresh copy to quote current page number.

So come talk to me with reference .

 

[Abdul Allah]

How many one of you have actually READ their books???

I doubt any of you have but I am pretty sure you have an orgasm reading Maududi's murderous hate speech book called 'Qadiyani Fitnah' that let to riots and killed thousands of Ahmedis across Punjab in 1950s!

My request to all your self-styled Mard-e-Momins is to read the Justice Munir Report of 1953 that specifically debunked these claims of Deobandi Barelvi b.s. about what is a Muslim!

So what is a muslim

Any one who belive that MGA is nabi and Masih
and any one who did not belive or even hear his name is non muslim and kafir?

Book name Aina sadaqat by mirza basir udin mahmud Kalifa sani
page number 110 of the book and pdf page number 29 (as per the version i have downloaded from thier website might be they have changed it again)

 

[saeed khan]

We Pakistanis really have too much NAFRAT HATRED AND HASAD in our hearts towards minorities.
With such a dangerous and mentally sick mentality found in our society, is it a surprise that this country has become the epicentre of world terror and a paradise for Jihadi murders?

Who said you that we are told to hate people of other religions ? It is your misunderstanding.
In my whole life no one ever said me to hate people of other religions. I will hate those who will say me to hate others.
At the end I will say your words tell that you treat Muslims different than all other communities.

 

[Ehraz]

Do not run away Will you please show me my any post where i use abusive language ? As i am not follower of MGA as abusive language is his trade mark.

Telling lies is worst than using abusive language. If you intentionally do not tell the truth when talking to the other participants - as indeed you should not because your molvi tell you so - then it is telling lies and wasting time. I replied to your baseless allegations few times, but it's not my fault if your mind is not receptive. It seems to me that you are not willing to understand simple things while trying to tell me unbelievable things like Isa(as) is still alive on heaven and will come back to lead the Ummah of Muhammad(saw) because his Jahil Ummah (god forbid) isn't able to produce any wise man or prophet. What a nonsense! Quran it self says that he came to BANI ISRAEL AS A PROPHET. Wake up buddy!!! My challange still stand there... PROVE it from Quran that Isa(as) is not dead. ONE AYAT.

Among the many false allegations which Mullas put against the Promised Messiah (A.S.) there is one allegation that he has used abusive language against the opponents. In order to prove their false allegations the opponents twist the facts and even wrongly translate some of the writings of Promised Messiah (A.S). One of such Anti-Ahmadiyya campaigner Dr. Rashid is used to extensively present following wrongly translated and wrongly interpreted quote from the writings of Promised Messiah :

• "Except for the CHILDREN OF PROSTITUTE, whose hearts have been sealed by God, everyone else believes in me and has accepted me." (Aina-e-Kamalat-e-Islam, Roohani Khazain vol.5 p.547)

The correct translation of above quote is :
"Every Muslim will accept me and will confirm my claim except the zurrayatul baghaya whose hearts will have been sealed up by God Almighty." (Aina-e-Kamalat-e-Islam, Roohani Khazain vol.5 p.547)
Just imagine the honesty of these Mullahs!! Now lets further examine what could be meant by the words "zurrayatul baghaya" here. These are the words which Mr. Rashid has translated as "CHILDREN OF PROSTITUTE".
Remember that in all languages of the world the words are used in two ways. Either they are taken as literal or they are treated as metaphorical. It is the context which explains that in what sense the author has used them.
To further explain it lets take examples of following verses of Holy Quran where Allah says that :

1. "The worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the deaf, the dumb, who have no sense." (Holy Quran 8:22)
2. At another place Allah says that "Those who were blind in this world will be blind in the Hereafter and most astray from the Path" (Holy Quran 17:72)

(Note: Translation of above verses taken from Non-Ahmadi source)
Can those who overemphasize on literal meanings of "zurrayatul baghaya" also take the words "Blind, Dumb and Deaf" expressed in the verses of Holy Quran quoted above as LITERAL?????
Certainly not !!! Then why they overemphasize on Literal Meaning of the words "zurrayatul baghaya"??? Actually they are the people with double standards. And they use their double standards in most evil manners in order to misguide the Servants of Allah (God).
Keeping above background in view lets examine the under discussion quote of Promised Messiah (A.S). Promised Messiah had written :
"Every Muslim will accept me and will confirm my claim except the zurrayatul baghaya whose hearts will have been sealed up by God Almighty." (Aina-e-Kamalat-e-Islam, Roohani Khazain vol.5 p.547)
According to Promised Messiah (A.S) those whose hearts are sealed by God will not accept him. Here one must note that :

1. Sealing of heart by God is always used in metaphorical and spiritual sense. (Examples are available in Holy Quran as well). Thus the Promised Messiah (A.S) had made the meaning of "zurrayatul baghaya" very clear by explaining the spiritual state of nonbelievers rather than speaking about their materialistic /physical background.
2. By simple logic whose hearts are sealed by God could only be those whose spiritual birth and up-bringing is filthy i.e. those who are evil by nature. In spiritual matters it does not make difference that from whose progeny one belong to. Holy Quran clearly explains this phenomenon by giving the example of the Son of Prophet Noah (A.S). God tells us that despite being the progeny of Prophet, his heart was sealed by God, due to his evil nature, and so he did not follow the right path.

In addition to above according to one of the most well known lexicon, Tajul Urus, the term "zurrayatul baghaya" is also used for a person who is deprived of guidance. The "Tajul Urus" clearly states that to call a person "zurrayatul baghaya" means that he is deprived of guidance.
The example of the opponents of Promised Messiah (A.S), who are day and night busy in uttering filth and falsehood against him, is best described in Holy Quran as : "His similitude is that of a dog: if you attack him he lolls out his tongue or if you leave him alone he (still) lolls out his tongue. That is the similitude of those who reject our signs; so relate the story; perchance they may reflect." (Holy Quran 7:176).
Ref:http://www.real-islam.org/reply/zur.htm
Challenge to all of you
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Watch this clip and learn to understand Islam

 

[Ehraz]

So what is a muslim

Any one who belive that MGA is nabi and Masih
and any one who did not belive or even hear his name is non muslim and kafir?

Book name Aina sadaqat by mirza basir udin mahmud Kalifa sani
page number 110 of the book and pdf page number 29 (as per the version i have downloaded from thier website might be they have changed it again)

ANOTHER LIES... please read this to end before making such ill statements. Ripping the text out of context is the same thing what your forefathers did so why not you... right?
http://www.alislam.org/urdu/au/AU6-5.pdf
read it from page 110 (pdf 29) onward and find the facts what he is saying...
btw. thank you for making it possible for others find the truth.