Jamshed Dasti takes U-Turn , decides not to quit NA seat

[Petrolhead]

کمال ہے !۔ ابھی کل تک سب اس کے گن گا رہے تھے، اور آج اس نے ایک فیصلہ کیا تو اس پر گالیوں کی بوچھاڑ؟ حالآنکہ وہ ابھی بھی دھرنے وغیرہ کا سپورٹر ہے۔
ہمیں خود ہی اپنے روئیے پر غور کر لینا چاہیئے، اگر کسی دوسرے نے کہا تو برا لگے گا

Show me a post / thread where I praised him.

 

[Rafay470]

He was expecting a rapturous welcome in PTI by IK but nothing like this has happened!! So I think his decision is quite understandable. Simple!!

 

[Memon Fayaz]

Dast lag gaye dasti ko..[hilar]

 

[Janoon]

Kal ka HERO..Aaj ka ZERO.....PTI ki nazar main....

 

[frenes]

:lol: امی جی نے ہی جعلی ڈگری کا حکم صادر کیا تھا

 

[Aik_Sawal]

I am not in favor of praising each and every move of your leader but suggesting them to correct themselves when they are wrong in their stance should be the policy of a genuine supporter, but there is difference between constructive pointing out of false things and ridiculing something... Ridiculing something also means that whatever you are saying is correct and that the person who you are ridiculing is completely wrong, which i think is a wrong thing because We can be wrong while we think we are right, and the person who we are proving as wrong might be right all along who knows.

So while sticking to the rule of supporting the better one i am also of the view to do my part by giving constructive suggestion or criticism than ridiculing..And if you ask me if i am in favor of the PTI demands including the resignation of PM i would say that no one conflicted with 5 demands of PTI concerning with election rigging, and most of the parties have supported it except the demand for PM resignation. At first i was also against the Demand of PM resignation with force but when the suggestion of sidelining for a period of time until the investigation completes came then i became a supporter of this demand. And i think its fair enough to at least temporarily sideline the person with authority(like they did with Rana Sanaullah) so that he cannot influence the outcome of the probe against him being on higher position.

Secondly if you say that these dharnas are harming Pakistan economically etc then i would say that If we have a corrupt government then we would earn 1 years earning in 5 years. But if we have a honest government then we will earn 1 years of earning in 1 year, so even if we waste 1 years of earning and then able to make a government who will earn us 1 years earning every year, we will be in profit ultimately. I leave the decision to you if you are looking for short term loss or long term benefit?

Okay, thanks for you reply. I really, really appreciate a sincere debate.


But you post has made me confused about more things.


If PMLN was able to influence the whole elections when they were not in govt. then just removing Nawaz for 30 days while everyone else of his party is at those positions - wouldn't that mean that they can still influence the investigation? I just can't see the fairness of PM's resignation. It is a personal agenda of Imran and that's why he's pushing for it. 2002 elections had more rigging. 2008 also had rigging. But Khan never asked for PM resignations in them. Why?


Talking about economic progress: I heard Musharraf talk a day ago with Mubashar Luqman about how he did not remove corruption from Pakistan because it is impossible even for a dictator. Also, he was unable to get Zardari's freshly convicted US$60 million. My question is that when Musharraf could not do it, then how will Imran do it - specially when he has the same track records like others e.g. taking dirty people like SMQ, Sheikh Rashid, Tareen, Dasti with him. Also so far his track record in KPK is just hopeless. There is no real change there. No new electricity run of the river projects, no universal syllabus except for just one class, land system is still not computerized in 15 months even though UN has given software for free and above all, no local body elections on fool proof electronic system.


There is so much that needs to be done in KPK but IK has shown hardly anything groundbreaking. How can you just base all your hope on him? To me he is ever worse because he talks of this legendary change when there is none. At least the other politicians openly say that they are corrupt and do whatever you want to do to them. At least they are honest in their dishonesty. How can you fall prey to someone just because they say they are clean but infact they are exactly same dirty as others.

 

[Aik_Sawal]

میں آپ کی بات سے مکمل اتفاق کرتا ہوں لیکن آپ کی توجہ مبذول کرانا چاہوں گا.


زیادہ تر لوگ کبھی سیاسی عمل کا حصہ نہیں رہے بلکہ دور سے بیٹھے جمہوری مال کی خرید و فورخت دیکھتے رہے . کبھی جرنیلوں کے بناۓ ہوۓ لیڈروں سے اور کبھی بیرونی قوتوں سے . او ر زیادہ تر پاکستانی گالی دے کر، یہاں کچھ اچھا نہیں ہو سکتا پاکستان ہے، والی روش اپنا کر بیٹھے تھے .


اب جب کہ ہم نے پہلا پاکستانی لیڈر دیکھا ہے جس نے اٹھارہ سال محنت کر کے، دھکّے کھاتے ہوۓ، مذاق اور طنز دیکھ سن کر بھی ہمت کی. اور یہ خواہش ہمیشہ سے تھی کہ عمران خان کسی دن سیاست میں اچھا مقام حاصل کرے گا لیکن پھر ووہی بات ہمیں بتائی جاتی
"عمران تو بہت اچھا ہے لیکن "ون مین شو" ہے "خان صاحب آپ کی ٹیم کہاں ہے؟"،
"خان صاحب یہ عمر سرفراز چیمہ تو آپ کو ڈیفنڈ ہی نہیں کر سکتا"،
خان صاحب جلسہ تو بہت بڑا کیا ہے لیکن یہ جلسوں سے الیکشن نہیں جیتا جاتا.
خان صاحب میوزک کنسرٹ کرا رہے ہیں ..
جاوید ہاشمی کو ٹی وی پر جمہوریت کے سپاہی کے طور پر بلایا جاتا لیکن جیسے ہی ہاشمی صاحب نے تحریک جوائن کی تو ساتھ ہی "خان صاحب ان پرانے لوگوں کے ساتھ تو انقلاب نہیں آ سکتا ".
خان صاحب جہانگیر ترین نے سب سے زیادہ ٹیکس تو دیا ہے لیکن ہے تو کاف لیگ ہی نا.
خان صاحب کی پارٹی تو ٹھیک ہے لیکن ان کے سپپورٹر بہت بدتمیزی کرتے ہیں .
خان صاحب کو اسٹیبلشمنٹ کی سپورٹ ہے اسی لیے سبھی خان صاحب کو جوائن کر رہے ہیں.
تحریک کو تو پینتیس سیٹیں ہی ملیں گی.




یہ سبھی باتیں ہمیں سننے کو ملیں اور آج نظر آ گیا کہ یہاں پر ہر جگہہ مک مکا ہوا ہے. ہر پاکستانی کو ہر جگہہ اور زندگی کی ہر دوڑ میں گلو بٹ نے زچ کیا ہے . اس لیے ابھی ہر بندا جو اس اٹھارہ سال کی محنت والے انسان کو بات کرتا ہے تو ہم یہ دیکھتے ہیں کہ اگر ایک سٹینڈرڈ بنا کر تنقیدی جائزہ لیا جائے تو پڑھنے والا بھی آپ کی بات سے اتفاق کرے گا لیکن اگر آپ اس پڑھی لکھی نوجوان نسل کو بیوقوف بنا لیکن گے تو یہ آپ کی غلط فہمی ہے. ہم اس بار عمران خان سے ڈسے جانا چاھتے ہیں . دوبارہ انہی جمہوری خاندانو سے نہیں

Ayub was daddy of Imran and Musharraf in cleanliness. When he left, the country split in two.


Zia was never considered financially corrupt. Neither was Bhutto ever accused of it. Bother failed miserably.


Musharraf had god-like power when he took over in 1999. DG ISI, COAS and Chief Executive of Pakistan. All powers of everything under one man. One clean, patriotic, smart commando. And yet what he did? He never removed corruption. He signed NROs.


Imran Khan has one thing going for him, that he is financially clean (even that is not true if you see how he doesn't pay taxes on his Bani Gala house). But still, people think he is financially clean.


But my friend, there have been people before Imran who are his daddy in terms of financial cleanliness. Even they ran the country into deeper crap. So financially clean person is not what will solve our problems. Our problems will be solved when our Army, politicians and people decide to stop favoring extremism, stop funding the endless pit of war and hatred with India and start buying textbooks before F16s.


Everything else is just "rang bazi" and this playboy narcissist is very effectively doing that along with the rest of the other politicians of PMLN, PPP, JI, JUIF, MQM etc.

 

[miafridi]

Okay, thanks for you reply. I really, really appreciate a sincere debate.


But you post has made me confused about more things.


1)If PMLN was able to influence the whole elections when they were not in govt. then just removing Nawaz for 30 days while everyone else of his party is at those positions - wouldn't that mean that they can still influence the investigation? I just can't see the fairness of PM's resignation. It is a personal agenda of Imran and that's why he's pushing for it. 2002 elections had more rigging. 2008 also had rigging. But Khan never asked for PM resignations in them. Why?


2)Talking about economic progress: I heard Musharraf talk a day ago with Mubashar Luqman about how he did not remove corruption from Pakistan because it is impossible even for a dictator. Also, he was unable to get Zardari's freshly convicted US$60 million. My question is that when Musharraf could not do it, then how will Imran do it - specially when he has the same track records like others e.g. taking dirty people like SMQ, Sheikh Rashid, Tareen, Dasti with him. Also so far his track record in KPK is just hopeless. There is no real change there. No new electricity run of the river projects, no universal syllabus except for just one class, land system is still not computerized in 15 months even though UN has given software for free and above all, no local body elections on fool proof electronic system.


There is so much that needs to be done in KPK but IK has shown hardly anything groundbreaking. How can you just base all your hope on him? To me he is ever worse because he talks of this legendary change when there is none. At least the other politicians openly say that they are corrupt and do whatever you want to do to them. At least they are honest in their dishonesty. How can you fall prey to someone just because they say they are clean but infact they are exactly same dirty as others.

1) First of all it is a norm all over the world that if someone is under investigation he is suspended from the position he has to let fair investigation, just like what happened to Rana sanaullah by the same PML-N who said that PML-N took this step so that Rana cannot affect the investigation. Such move is entertained all over the world, it is not only me who says that such thing should happen. Secondly Even if everyone else is on their places which happens all over the world as well, even then many times friends don't help you without your position because many friends are opportunists and when you don't have a position they are then not loyal to you and they say "Oh why should we risk ourselves for the dead horse", because what if investigation are rejected and re-investigation is called and in that investigation it is also proved that the previous investigation was saving the person under probe, and such move may cost the people their job who did the previous investigation.:) So people then try not to take risks. Their maybe other pros and cos to this rule but i am not the creator of such rule all over the world so i can't tell you everything about such rule.

-Thirdly if IK didn't ask PM resignation or investigation in previous elections then the answer is that he already tried to boycott the 2007 elections but other party PML-N betrayed him who first urged for boycott then back tracked and took part in elections. Reason for not asking for investigation was that he was not that strong in terms of people representation and popularity and asking for something like that would have seen as an "Ant warning to an elephant". You only raise your voice when you know its right time.

2) Talking about economic and institutional progress in KPK i would not say long things as you won't believe it any way, but few sentences.
-KPK has been awarded with awards in the past months for their surplus budgets.
-KPK government that we see today is far far better than any government that we have ever seen in KPK history, with clearn roads, better police, Less corrupt patwaris, One syllabus implemented, Health system better(not best but better), teachers/doctors/govt employees now coming to duty due to fear(maybe not all of them but majority), Laws like RTI, RTS, Conflict of interest,Accoutability bill, Mobile courts, Mobile Fir are working(not with full force but as a good starting point in a poor country like Pakistan). Small dams of small MW are being given to many places everyday, Roads of the whole Peshawar city is under expansion and their is a bridge under construction on almost every small or big river which is part of road expansion.. Etc