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Islamabad Tonight - 21st October 2011 - Hillary Clinton, Hamid Mir, Nasim Zehra, Nadim Malik & Mazha
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Re: Islamabad Tonight - 21st October 2011 - Hillery Clinton, Hamid Mir, Nasim Zehra, Nadim Malik & Mazhar Abbas
1. First, yesterday i wrote that for Americans the term "dialogue" means that military operations should continue and so should the talks.
This is exactly what Sec. Clinton said in this program.
2. She unfortunately side stepped many questions. Only Hamid Mir asked her a follow up question regarding Admiral Mullens statement, and we got a proper answer.
3. Anyway, did you notice something extremely dangerous?
She said that the leadership of the Army/ISI do not know what their people on the ground are doing.
She is basically implying that ISI has gone rogue. Nobody said anything to counter this.
1. First, yesterday i wrote that for Americans the term "dialogue" means that military operations should continue and so should the talks.
This is exactly what Sec. Clinton said in this program.
2. She unfortunately side stepped many questions. Only Hamid Mir asked her a follow up question regarding Admiral Mullens statement, and we got a proper answer.
3. Anyway, did you notice something extremely dangerous?
She said that the leadership of the Army/ISI do not know what their people on the ground are doing.
She is basically implying that ISI has gone rogue. Nobody said anything to counter this.
Welcome back to pakistan ms.clinton.Everyone put the right questions but I will give hilory 6 out of 10 because some answers were quite fishy.Hamid Mir's first question about situation in afghanistan and pakistan were given a fogy response. I am not gonna criticise too much on her answers but if their 77 persons were injured in haqqani attacks,how many killed in afghanistan and pakistan in such attacks by US and TTP.since haqqani group is ruling in seven provinces madam did't bother to talk about them but only saying that haqqani group cross border from NW to afghanistan ,as soon you see the haqqani group's infiltration to afghanistan-your drones are in the air, your forces are on the ground so get them.But I dont believe there will be a big bunch of them in NW.At the same time,I will advise the army establishment ,stop the people from any group to cross into afghanistan and US should also show their sincerety to stop mulla fazlulah and his people ,not attack pak army from kunar and nurastan provinces.There is no room for double game for anyone,have to be sincere and honest to establish good credibility and trust between the two countries.How long tit for tat can go on ? US should appreciate the price pakistan paid for them otherwise pak was living peacefully.It only started when pak joined this war which have become a noose around our necks. Pakistan's sacrifices are totally ignored by US and demands are more and more . How much more ?US should think about talking to the real stake holders like mulla umer,haqqani group and hikmat yar for a permament peace in the region,common sense usually prevails and it's the dialogues which will work.
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Re: Islamabad Tonight - 21st October 2011 - Hillery Clinton, Hamid Mir, Nasim Zehra, Nadim Malik & Mazhar Abbas
It's good that no one clarified about Army & ISI. Pakistan is unfortunate to have an intelligence agency which works against the interests of Pakistan and works directly as an extension of other intelligence agencies. Our Army is no better. Our Army has been and will always be used by other powers to destroy Pakistan. We should stop defending our army and let them go through a transformation before we can be proud of our forces again. Useless forces..... ayyash, badmaash and besharam Army - and ofcourse I am referring to top brass. When the people below follow the top brass blindly, they are part of top brass.
Fishy answers from Hillary. Most .... infact all bul*sh*t. People already know who and who was involved in 9/11. CIA's involvement in still nourishing and using Al-Qaeda is also known. Idiots will remain idiots. Ofcourse US is not idiot, it knows everything. I am talking about general public in US and Pakistan. So idiots will remain idiots - you can't easily change them.
It's good that no one clarified about Army & ISI. Pakistan is unfortunate to have an intelligence agency which works against the interests of Pakistan and works directly as an extension of other intelligence agencies. Our Army is no better. Our Army has been and will always be used by other powers to destroy Pakistan. We should stop defending our army and let them go through a transformation before we can be proud of our forces again. Useless forces..... ayyash, badmaash and besharam Army - and ofcourse I am referring to top brass. When the people below follow the top brass blindly, they are part of top brass.
Fishy answers from Hillary. Most .... infact all bul*sh*t. People already know who and who was involved in 9/11. CIA's involvement in still nourishing and using Al-Qaeda is also known. Idiots will remain idiots. Ofcourse US is not idiot, it knows everything. I am talking about general public in US and Pakistan. So idiots will remain idiots - you can't easily change them.
Why could not they find a Pakistani who was raised and brought up in an english speaking country to interview Hilary. I sensed a deficiency of language in conversation, they just asked the questions they had memorised and never cross questioned her or interrupted her. Watch how CNN anchors question their guests. So many questions were missing like
They are an occupying force, why do they expect locals not to fight them?
How they expect to succeed by side lining majority Pakhtoons from the government and rely on minorities?
Haqanies are locals, they are going to stay here with pakistan when US is gone. Why should pakistan make haqanies their anemies for US who does not behave like a friend?
Is US only here to eleminate Taliban or their objective is long term like oil and/or pakistans nuclear assets.
Why US expects pakistan to help US when they are trying to give bigger role to india in Afghanistan?
There are so many other questions which they should have asked
They are an occupying force, why do they expect locals not to fight them?
How they expect to succeed by side lining majority Pakhtoons from the government and rely on minorities?
Haqanies are locals, they are going to stay here with pakistan when US is gone. Why should pakistan make haqanies their anemies for US who does not behave like a friend?
Is US only here to eleminate Taliban or their objective is long term like oil and/or pakistans nuclear assets.
Why US expects pakistan to help US when they are trying to give bigger role to india in Afghanistan?
There are so many other questions which they should have asked
Re: Islamabad Tonight - 21st October 2011 - Hillery Clinton, Hamid Mir, Nasim Zehra, Nadim Malik & Mazhar Abbas
Why could not they find a Pakistani who was raised and brought up in an english speaking country to interview Hilary. I sensed a deficiency of language in conversation, they just asked the questions they had memorised and never cross questioned her or interrupted her. Watch how CNN anchors question their guests. Also so many questions were missing like
They are an occupying force, why do they expect locals not to fight them?
How they expect to succeed by side lining majority Pakhtoons from the government and rely on minorities?
Haqanies are locals, they are going to stay here with pakistan when US is gone. Why should pakistan make haqanies their anemies for US who does not behave like a friend?
Is US only here to eleminate Taliban or their objective is long term like oil and/or pakistans nuclear assets.
Why US expects pakistan to help US when they are trying to give bigger role to india in Afghanistan?
There are so many other questions which they should have asked
Why could not they find a Pakistani who was raised and brought up in an english speaking country to interview Hilary. I sensed a deficiency of language in conversation, they just asked the questions they had memorised and never cross questioned her or interrupted her. Watch how CNN anchors question their guests. Also so many questions were missing like
They are an occupying force, why do they expect locals not to fight them?
How they expect to succeed by side lining majority Pakhtoons from the government and rely on minorities?
Haqanies are locals, they are going to stay here with pakistan when US is gone. Why should pakistan make haqanies their anemies for US who does not behave like a friend?
Is US only here to eleminate Taliban or their objective is long term like oil and/or pakistans nuclear assets.
Why US expects pakistan to help US when they are trying to give bigger role to india in Afghanistan?
There are so many other questions which they should have asked
only_truths
Minister (2k+ posts)
First of all there was no need for any introduction, as Americans know every anchors history and geography given the kind of anti-american programmes they are running. I agree with @cofol , there seems to be prepared questions to bombard her, but not a true discussion of Pak-US relations.
With the kind of questions asked by every one of them, I tend to believe that anti-Americanism is here to stay in Pakistan.
With the kind of questions asked by every one of them, I tend to believe that anti-Americanism is here to stay in Pakistan.
