Is Zaid Hamid a Patriotic? Emotional Fool ? Logical ?

[Wadaich]

@ Veila Mast

Wadiach Bhai,

If you been to Pakistan then you must come across board saying "YAH SHAR E AAM NAHI HAI".

It is closed question so you must reply in Yes or No.

I would be grateful to you if you answers my question.

Remember I am not deviating from Topic as I shall reconcile after your answers and try to elaborate ambiguity while understanding Zaid Hamid's case.

In Sha Allah in a few minutes you will able to judge yourself.

AoA! Brother Veila Mast

The phrase means, "This road/pathway/ is not for general public/common for all".

Don't lock your horns with the Ignorant and Idiot. That is why I did not engage myself with such people. As Allah (SWT) has been pleased to decree "when you come across such an Ignorant just say SALAM and pass by don't engage yourself with them "

 

[Wadaich]

@Fayskhan

I like this programme too but some times they really cross limits for example parody of ansar abbasi, zaid hamid, haroon rashid, imran khan etc... if they make fun of corrupt people its fine but at least they should not mix nice people with them becoz people would think they are of same type. By the way I did not win or got nominated for noble prize for replying to ur post:swordfight:. I do expect from u to track my posts and correct me where i m wrong, same way as i did because i accept my mistakes if i commit. :jazak:....:You_Rock_Emoticon:

Brother Khan, I have lot of regard for classified because of his knowledge. The classified must have come across the "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" One of the protocol emphasizes on ridiculing the opinion makers of the enemy nation whom they have failed to buy or could not silence them. Same is the case with Zaid Hamid. So track who is on whose agenda.

 

[awan4ever]

This thread reminds me of Fox News Bill o'Reillys show where he has the segment 'Pinhead or Patriot'! :D

Which basically means that if you agree with his convoluted rabid hate mongering views you are a patriot otherwise you are a pinhead.

All the ZH supporters including himself are the same category. If you agree with them you are a patriot if you dont you are a takfiri/kaafir/rafidi/CIA/Mossad/Illuminati agent aka pinhead.

Why is it BINDING upon me to agree with Zaid Hamid?
Why can I choose NOT to believe in his wild rambling monologues and still be a patriot?
Why can I not make fun of his silly over the top self aggrandizing demeanor?
Why is it wrong for me to find his style of delivering sermons funny when he constantly refers to himself with the royal 'hum'? (hum samjhtay hein, hum nay pehlay bhe kaha tha, hum jantay hein,)

PS: Zaid Hamid is a crazy nutjob on the ISI payroll.

Ok now all the ZH fanboys can start calling me takfiri/kaafir/rafidi/CIA/Mossad/Illuminati agent.

 

[Veila Mast]

This thread reminds me of Fox News Bill o'Reillys show where he has the segment 'Pinhead or Patriot'! :D

Which basically means that if you agree with his convoluted rabid hate mongering views you are a patriot otherwise you are a pinhead.

All the ZH supporters including himself are the same category. If you agree with them you are a patriot if you dont you are a takfiri/kaafir/rafidi/CIA/Mossad/Illuminati agent aka pinhead.

Why is it BINDING upon me to agree with Zaid Hamid?
Why can I choose NOT to believe in his wild rambling monologues and still be a patriot?
Why can I not make fun of his silly over the top self aggrandizing demeanor?
Why is it wrong for me to find his style of delivering sermons funny when he constantly refers to himself with the royal 'hum'? (hum samjhtay hein, hum nay pehlay bhe kaha tha, hum jantay hein,)

PS: Zaid Hamid is a crazy nutjob on the ISI payroll.

Ok now all the ZH fanboys can start calling me takfiri/kaafir/rafidi/CIA/Mossad/Illuminati agent.

Dear Sir!

Could you please name any Zaid Hamid's supporter who BINDS upon you to agree at all his words!

Yes you could still be patriot if YOU STOP OPPOSING HIM!

Who told you opposing Zaid Hamid makes you PATRIOT!

Why you make fun of Zaid Hamid when you have PLENTY of OPTIONS available in Pakistan!

Why your eyes are stuck on one man in millions!

Royal 'Hum!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol!

I tell you a joke: Once a man was upset with his wife and was looking for any excuse that could trigger fihgt, he could not find one but he saw his wife kneading flour and idea struck into his mind and he abjectly objected: why do you move while kneading flour!

Bahana!

Koi Bhi Ho!

Chalay Ga!

Lol!

 

[Wadaich]

Dear Sir!

Could you please name any Zaid Hamid's supporter who BINDS upon you to agree at all his words!

Yes you could still be patriot if YOU STOP OPPOSING HIM!

Who told you opposing Zaid Hamid makes you PATRIOT!

Why you make fun of Zaid Hamid when you have PLENTY of OPTIONS available in Pakistan!

Why your eyes are stuck on one man in millions!

Royal 'Hum!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol!

I tell you a joke: Once a man was upset with his wife and was looking for any excuse that could trigger fihgt, he could not find one but he saw his wife kneading flour and idea struck into his mind and he abjectly objected: why do you move while kneading flour!

Bahana!

Koi Bhi Ho!

Chalay Ga!

Lol!

Very Well Said. Some people have sworn on oath to defame Zaid Had:)

 

[Pakistani1947]

Why Zaid Hamid was trapped by Yousuf Kazab?

I had been a very strong supporter of Zaid Hamid until his affiliation with Yousuf Kazaab was revealed. I still believe that he is very sincere person. He is million times more patriotic than Zardari, Navaz and Altaf. We need leaders like Zaid Hamid.

Due to some of his wrong believes which are against Quraan and Sunnah (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) he was fooled by Yousuf Kazab. I have seen Zaid's video he might have realized his past mistakes and denounce his affiliation with Yousuf Kazab. So the point I want to make is that if an intellectual like Zaid Hamid is fooled by Yousuf Kazab what about poor innocent and Jahil people.

There are very serious implication of holding wrong belief is that many hopefuls, Durwaish, Peer, Wali, have launched their religious careers (fan following) by making claim that they have the knowledge of unseen (غیب). Almost all our Sufi ‘saints’ have established their credibility, and their thrones, by doing this. They first claim to have seen the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم), then they say they are in direct contact with him, then they claim they have been divinely inspired, and then they build their economic empires which they leave to their successors.

 

[awan4ever]

Yes you could still be patriot if YOU STOP OPPOSING HIM!

But if i oppose him im not a patriot?

Who told you opposing Zaid Hamid makes you PATRIOT!

My question was why do ZH supporters have the tendency to label everyone who criticizes ZH as unpatriotic people?

Why you make fun of Zaid Hamid when you have PLENTY of OPTIONS available in Pakistan!

Why should ZH not be included in the list of people who can be made fun of? Is he a sacred saint?
Should I stop making fun of Nawaz Sharif if his supporters come and say you have plenty of other options?

Why your eyes are stuck on one man in millions!

Because I find his antics and his ramblings one in a million and very funny! :p

Royal 'Hum!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol!

I tell you a joke: Once a man was upset with his wife and was looking for any excuse that could trigger fihgt, he could not find one but he saw his wife kneading flour and idea struck into his mind and he abjectly objected: why do you move while kneading flour!

Bahana!

How about addressing the question at hand instead of telling lame jokes. I can tell you really good jokes but only if you answer my question. Why does he refere to himself as 'hum'?
I find it very annoying, stupid and self elevating.

 

[Pakistani1947]

Why Zaid Hamid was trapped by Yousuf Kazab?

I had been a very strong supporter of Zaid Hamid until his affiliation with Yousuf Kazaab was revealed. I still believe that he is very sincere person. He is million times more patriotic than Zardari, Navaz and Altaf. We need leaders like Zaid Hamid.

All I am trying to say that due to some of his wrong believes which are against Quraan and Sunnah (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) he was fooled by Yousuf Kazab. I have seen Zaid's video he might have realized his past mistakes and denounce his affiliation with Yousuf Kazab. So the point I want to make is that if an intellectual like Zaid Hamid is fooled by Yousuf Kazab what about poor innocent and Jahil people.

It is very important to have correct Islamic believes otherwise there are very serious implications. For example, the correct Islamic believe is that we cannot claim with 100% confidence that we have seen Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in a dream. In fact, the Bukhari hadith says that whoever sees Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in a dream has seen him in wakefulness. Since none of us have seen him in wakefulness, we can’t claim with 100% confidence that we have seen him (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in a dream.

Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard the Prophet saying, "Whoever sees me in a dream will see me in his wakefulness, and Satan cannot imitate me in shape." Abu 'Abdullah said, "Ibn Sirin said, 'Only if he sees the Prophet in his (real) shape.'" (Sahih Bukhari, Book #87, Hadith #122)

The correct believe is only Allah informs his Messengers, whenever he wants to, via Wahee (وحی) about Ghaib. Hence Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) would not know about Ghaib (غیب) unless Allah informs him (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم). Following Hadeeth narrates once Bibi Aisha (Razi Allah Talah Unhun) was wrongly accused and Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) were very worried and had no way of knowing the truth until Allah revealed the Verses (concerning the matter):

Narrated Masruq: I asked Um Ruman, 'Aisha's mother about the accusation forged against 'Aisha. She said, "While I was sitting with 'Aisha, an Ansari woman came to us and said, 'Let Allah condemn such-and-such person.' I asked her, 'Why do you say so?' She replied, 'For he has spread the (slanderous) story.' 'Aisha said, 'What story?' The woman then told her the story. 'Aisha asked, 'Have Abu Bakr and Allah's Apostle heard about it ?' She said, 'Yes.' 'Aisha fell down senseless (on hearing that), and when she came to her senses, she got fever and shaking of the body. The Prophet came and asked, 'What is wrong with her?' I said, 'She has got fever because of a story which has been rumored.' 'Aisha got up and said, 'By Allah! Even if I took an oath, you would not believe me, and if I put forward an excuse, You would not excuse me. My example and your example is just like that example of Jacob and his sons. Against that which you assert, it is Allah (Alone) Whose Help can be sought.' (12.18) The Prophet left and then Allah revealed the Verses (concerning the matter), and on that 'Aisha said, 'Thanks to Allah (only) and not to anybody else." (Sahih Bukhari, Book #55, Hadith #602)

The correct believe is that the Silsila of Wahee (وحی) has been discontinued since the death of Prophet Muhhamd (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم). Hence anybody who claims that he has revelation from Allah about Ghaib (غیب) is Kazzaab (کذاب).

There are very serious implication of holding wrong belief is that many hopefuls, Durwaish, Peer, Wali, have launched their religious careers (fan following) by making claim that they have the knowledge of unseen (غیب). Almost all our Sufi ‘saints’ have established their credibility, and their thrones, by doing this. They first claim to have seen the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم), then they say they are in direct contact with him, then they claim they have been divinely inspired, and then they build their economic empires which they leave to their successors.

 

[Veila Mast]

But if i oppose him im not a patriot?



My question was why do ZH supporters have the tendency to label everyone who criticizes ZH as unpatriotic people?



Why should ZH not be included in the list of people who can be made fun of? Is he a sacred saint?
Should I stop making fun of Nawaz Sharif if his supporters come and say you have plenty of other options?



Because I find his antics and his ramblings one in a million and very funny! :p




How about addressing the question at hand instead of telling lame jokes. I can tell you really good jokes but only if you answer my question. Why does he refere to himself as 'hum'?
I find it very annoying, stupid and self elevating.

Kham Hai Sar e Insan, To Haram Main Kuch Hai

Ankh Hai Pur Nam, To Gham Main Kuch Hai

Be Wajah Kissi Pah Marta Nahi Koi

Zaid Pah Koi Marta Hai, To Us Main Kuch Hai

Pappo Samajh Aya Kah Nahi Ya Main Translate Karon.

Feel free to ask for translation brov.

I reckon bone of contention is Patriotism!

So first we need to figure out if Zaid Hamid is patriot or not, at least for time being as benchmark!

What do you suggest?

 

[awan4ever]

Kham Hai Sar e Insan, To Haram Main Kuch Hai

Ankh Hai Pur Nam, To Gham Main Kuch Hai

Be Wajah Kissi Pah Marta Nahi Koi

Zaid Pah Koi Marta Hai, To Us Main Kuch Hai

Pappo Samajh Aya Kah Nahi Ya Main Translate Karon.

Feel free to ask for translation brov.

I reckon bone of contention is Patriotism!

So first we need to figure out if Zaid Hamid is patriot or not, at least for time being as benchmark!

What do you suggest?

I would use the 'f word' for Zaid Hamid being a bench mark of patriotism but i would get banned.

The bone of contention is that if someone thinks ZH is an over hyped over-zealous and misleading idiot, that person should not be labelled as a non-patriot.
Ager yeh bat nahi samjh aye tau time zaya ker rahay ho shaer o shaeri jhaar ker.

 

[Shariah]

Aik dafa chand loog Tableegh kay liye aik basti main gaye, wahan pah kuch loog Kafir bhi thay, unhoo nay biyan sona, biyan say mutasir ho kar unho nay Islam qabool kar liya, ab Aalim Sahab nay un kay naam change karna chaha, kissi ka Khalid, kissi ka Usman, kissi ka Talha, aik shaks josh main utha aur Aalim Sahab say bola: Janab mera naam Allah he rakh do!

Lol!

Shariat kay maani tak nahi bata rahay aap mujhay aur naam SHARIAH!

Iss ko kahtay hain: AANKHO KAY ANDHAY NAAM NAIN SUKH!

Lol!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yaar aap aik baat samajh kyun nahin rahey, key mien aap jaisey fadool dimagh aur kam aqal insaan se baat karna hee nahin chahta. Laikin aap hain key bachon ki tarah arey hooey hai.
'BHAI SHARIAH KYA?'..........................'BATAO NA PLEEEEEZZZZZ'.
KYA INSAAN HAI YAAR TU? TEREY KO KISS TARAH SAMJAHOON KEY ABHI TaU TEREY ANDER AQAL O FAHM KI SAKHT KAMI HAI, jiss ka bohat bara saboot yeh aap ka saaf saaf likhney ka style hai, bilkul 2 class key bachon ki tarah.
Yarah insaan banon, aur kissi forum par jao jahan tumhari parahian behter ho, naa key bachon ki tarah idhar logon key pheechey parhey raho.
AGEY MIEN AAP KO JAWAB NAHIN DOON GA, WAJA MIEN LIKH CHUKA HOON.
Allah ka shukar hai shariat key maani aur uss key taqazey parha hoon. agar naa bhi aata hota, kahin se copy paste hee kar deta, laikin jaisa key mien ney aap ko bataya mien aap jaisey chohtey bachey key saath behns mubahisa nahin karna chahta hoon. buhat maazrat. khuda hafiz.

 

[Veila Mast]

Yaar aap aik baat samajh kyun nahin rahey, key mien aap jaisey fadool dimagh aur kam aqal insaan se baat karna hee nahin chahta. Laikin aap hain key bachon ki tarah arey hooey hai.
'BHAI SHARIAH KYA?'..........................'BATAO NA PLEEEEEZZZZZ'.
KYA INSAAN HAI YAAR TU? TEREY KO KISS TARAH SAMJAHOON KEY ABHI TaU TEREY ANDER AQAL O FAHM KI SAKHT KAMI HAI, jiss ka bohat bara saboot yeh aap ka saaf saaf likhney ka style hai, bilkul 2 class key bachon ki tarah.
Yarah insaan banon, aur kissi forum par jao jahan tumhari parahian behter ho, naa key bachon ki tarah idhar logon key pheechey parhey raho.
AGEY MIEN AAP KO JAWAB NAHIN DOON GA, WAJA MIEN LIKH CHUKA HOON.
Allah ka shukar hai shariat key maani aur uss key taqazey parha hoon. agar naa bhi aata hota, kahin se copy paste hee kar deta, laikin jaisa key mien ney aap ko bataya mien aap jaisey chohtey bachey key saath behns mubahisa nahin karna chahta hoon. buhat maazrat. khuda hafiz.

Chan Meray Makhna,

What made you soooooooo angry?

I don't think so I asked such a harsh question!

I just asked about meaning and application of word Shariah!

Isn't it Sir?

Instaed of reply you deviated topic!

Now if I had started word Sahabi and it's aplication then all of sudden you would have jumped from your start and issuing fatwa!

Jano maaf kar dey yaar, itnay baray ALLAMA QUSTALANI ko main naraz to nahi kar sakta!

Lol!

 

[Veila Mast]

I would use the 'f word' for Zaid Hamid being a bench mark of patriotism but i would get banned.

The bone of contention is that if someone thinks ZH is an over hyped over-zealous and misleading idiot, that person should not be labelled as a non-patriot.
Ager yeh bat nahi samjh aye tau time zaya ker rahay ho shaer o shaeri jhaar ker.

One 'f' word I can use atleast here that perfectly suits your emotions that is FUSS word!

Lol!

 

[awan4ever]

One 'f' word I can use atleast here that perfectly suits your emotions that is FUSS word!

Lol!

Not really. Im not fussed about ZH. Im glad he comes on tv. Great comedy! :D

Yakeen keejeaye! :p

 

[Veila Mast]

Not really. Im not fussed about ZH. Im glad he comes on tv. Great comedy! :D

Yakeen keejeaye! :p

Bhai Jee,

Aap bhi to yahan COMEDY kar rahay hain!

Lol!

Double Yakeen Kijye Mera!

 

[awan4ever]

Bhai Jee,

Aap bhi to yahan COMEDY kar rahay hain!

Lol!

Double Yakeen Kijye Mera!

Chalo ap hamari comedy say mahzooz hon aur hum Zaid hamid ke comedy say.
Win win situation! ;)

 

[Veila Mast]

Chalo ap hamari comedy say mahzooz hon aur hum Zaid hamid ke comedy say.
Win win situation! ;)

Agreed!

Ya Habibi!

Ab Na Main Aap Ko Oppose Karo Ga Aur Na App Zaid Hamid Ko!

Done!

Let him do his job.

 

[awan4ever]

Agreed!

Ya Habibi!

Ab Na Main Aap Ko Oppose Karo Ga Aur Na App Zaid Hamid Ko!

Done!

Let him do his job.

Ap mujhay shok say oppose kero I dont mind because I will not stop opposing ZH.
Also If I stop opposing him you wont have any comedy. ;)

 

[Veila Mast]

Ap mujhay shok say oppose kero I dont mind because I will not stop opposing ZH.
Also If I stop opposing him you wont have any comedy. ;)

How eager you are to do Comedy!

Lol!

That's fine, yuo do your job and we do ours.

Please ab meri leg pulling shroo na kar dena for using ROYAL "WE"!

Lol!

 

[awan4ever]

How eager you are to do Comedy!

Lol!

That's fine, yuo do your job and we do ours.

Please ab meri leg pulling shroo na kar dena for using ROYAL "WE"!

Lol!

If Zaid Hamid is so eager to do comedy on national level you shouldnt mind my humble efforts on this small forum. ;)

No I wont mind your use of the Royal 'we'. Kharboozay ko dekh ker kharbooza rang pakerta he hay! ;)