International Media on Imran Khan - A black day for us Pakistanis

[karachiwala]

But my question is -- Why the hell have we reached at this point?
Why did Imran khan need all of this wealth that brought us so much shame?

right he should have stolen money like ganj grour daku group. khota birani really messes with the minds

 

[Shahid Abassi]

Come on now man - please. Shahid Sahib is the last person on this forum I will say has morality and knowledge.
It is just too hard for Imranis (like yourself too) to see their idol mucked up like this. Swinging left and right is quite natural in this state.
Shahid Abassi

My both comments are unbiased Raja sb. He should not have bought those gifts to sell and make money. You liked the one which sets good in your thinking and didn't like the other one because it defends those action on legality. The supreme court judges get two plot each on 10% of the value, they sell one and spend the earnings to construct a house on the other one. Legally you can not challenge them, but you can call it on morality.
Generals get plots and agri land and all of them sell them too.
Try to be unbiased for a change and give an argument.

 

[RajaRawal111]

Raja sb. My earlier post still stands valid on all three points and I am disappointed that he did buy and sell the Toshakhana gifts, his wife got a diamond ring and he did not act on Farah Gogi. I am not back tracking on that at all.
But when you talk about the Toshakhana matter, you should give a true account of it. I surely won't go with the propaganda of MLN which you want me to copy here. I am convinced that he did not do anything legally wrong by buying the gifts on lawful price and then selling them but I find it unethical. Tell me if it was legally wrong to do it.
The ECP punished him for not reporting his assets correctly, and not for buying and selling the gifts. I can also prove through a GEO article that he has declared the earnings with the FBR.
I will appticiate if you correct me on the narration of the case, as I have put pen to this thread and tell me where I am wrong.
Let's not go with the PTI or MLN narrative of it but write the facts.

Shahid Sahib, I am also talking about morality and unethical practices. The level we were all told about IK was heavenly. Yet he ran the grinder as he was not going to get another chance.
I was just being sarcastic yesterday when I told you to be Rigid Imrani. ?
But this case is the first stone in the pond. The ripples are generated. Whether you accept or not even your mind is not polluted. You have the courage now to call his act unethical.

 

[RajaRawal111]

My both comments are unbiased Raja sb. He should not have bought those gifts to sell and make money. You liked the one which sets good in your thinking and didn't like the other one because it defends those action on legality. The supreme court judges get two plot each on 10% of the value, they sell one and spend the earnings to construct a house on the other one. Legally you can not challenge them, but you can call it on morality.
Generals get plots and agri land and all of them sell them too.
Try to be unbiased for a change and give an argument.

Shahid Sahib. It has been a long time i have stopped being serious on this forum. 95% of the time i am doing diplashori and real Chitar prade of the Morality Brigade on this forum.
Only 5% ofthe times I have been serious. Like today in this thread.
I will end up putting IK in much deeper trouble. Which really worries me .

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[Shahid Abassi]

Shahid Sahib, I am also talking about morality and unethical practices. The level we were all told about IK was heavenly. Yet he ran the grinder as he was not going to get another chance.
I was just being sarcastic yesterday when I told you to be Rigid Imrani. ?
But this case is the first stone in the pond. The ripples are generated. Whether you accept or not even your mind is not polluted. You have the courage now to call his act unethical.

Raja sb, I can't hide the fact that I hate Sharifs and Zardaris and Imran is nothing more than a preferred choice. And quite naturally, I tend to support and defend him but I have always criticized him and his party when I find him on the wrong side of my expectations. I have written tens of lines on his appointment of Buzdar as CM of Punjab and similarily on Toshakhana issue, I find his acts unacceptable on ethical grounds.

At the same time, I think some of our laws too give birth to uethical acts and that's not how the laws should be formed. Examples are alloting plots to judges and generals who sell them on market prices to make money.

 

[Lubnakhan]

We need to understand the importance of law and legality in Islamic society. Remember the incident when caliph Ali ra had a dispute with a Jew, Jew was carrying his armour and refusing to give it back. Matter was brought to a judge, he ordered Ali ra to produce two witnesses, his son’s testimony in his favor was rejected ,only his slave’s testimony was accepted. Due to absence of two witnesses he lost his case. He accepted the verdict.
What is the take away from this whole incident? Justice system was so strong that a Jew accepted a Muslim judge to hear hi case, legal decision was given by judge which was accepted by caliph , even though it was against truth. Importance of legal system , lawfulness and justice system is that it keeps society more or less calm and harmonious.
Somehow we Muslims think that morality is superior to legality, but in my view there is no comparison, the society needs legal shield, so right of all people are ensured. Morality is for self growth and it definitely leads us to a our better selves. We should judge our selves by critical moral parameters but for others legal parameter should be used.

We are doomed as Muslims because we ignore law( Islamic and worldly) , and want to fix the society’s morals. We are moral policing others forgetting this way we impinge their personal space and rights. As a Muslim we should change our attitude in this regard.

 

[Lubnakhan]

About tosha khana,8 ideally all the gifts should be sold and money should be taken by the government, but our ruling mafia will never make this law, because it benefits public .

 

[Zulu67]

What have you done Imran Khan. Were you not the One who used to say
مجھے کس چیز کی ضرورت تھی مجھے تو اللہ نے سب کچھ دے دیا تھا
Then why did you need this wealth you have earned
Are we really able to defend you now by calling it your legal and Halaal Earnings?
The question is why the hell did you do it ???

I was looking at the international media and this is what is written about you. No one else but you brought this day and this shame on us Pakistanis


BBC
Disqualified for incorrectly declaring details of presents from foreign dignitaries and proceeds from their alleged sale. The gifts included Rolex watches, a ring and a pair of cuff links.
But in a written submission admitted buying items worth nearly $100,000 (£90,000), and later selling them for more than twice that amount.

CTV:
Khan illegally sold state gifts and concealed assets as premier.

New York Times
Found him guilty of illegally selling gifts given to him by other countries when he was prime minister and concealing the profits from the authorities

Global news

Pakistan’s elections commission on Friday disqualified former Prime Minister Imran Khan from holding public office for five years, accusing him of unlawfully selling state gifts and concealing assets

NPR
Pakistan's elections commission on Friday disqualified former Prime Minister Imran Khan from holding public office for five years, after finding he had unlawfully sold state gifts and concealed assets as premier,

Aljazeera
Pakistan’s election commission (ECP), in a unanimous decision, has found former Prime Minister Imran Khan guilty of “corrupt practices” and disqualified him from being a member of parliament.

TRT World
The Election Commission of Pakistan disqualifies Khan from holding public office because he unlawfully sold state gifts given to him by other countries when he was in power.

Reuters
Former Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan was barred from holding public office on Friday after the top election tribunal found him guilty of unlawfully selling gifts from foreign dignitaries

Arab News
Khan was accused of misusing his position to purchase and sell gifts received during state visits abroad that were worth over $635,497 (140 million rupees).

? ? ? chuttiyaa phatwareeyaa.Nawaz d tuttay Baz fraud news. Tawaif of Punjab Mrs Safdar Ghushtee reporting.

 

[sajhassan]

I knew you will say that, because that is all we are being fed. But what no one is talking about is that this is not written in the response he submitted to ICP.

And let me tell you why he did not write it down, ---- because it was going to open up another can of worms How much he spent and how much he put in his pocket. And CDA has already refuted his this claim, which IK never denied.

IK surely made a blunder here in this case, he should have avoided this but he chose other way around. But declaring it to ECP was not necessary considering the fact he bought it to sale it immediately after & it remained for a very short time. Though he was wise enough to document it with FBR & Concern Authorities.

But I wished he had avoided it in the first place.

 

[sajhassan]

You should say that our laws are unethical and then we can argu on them. If Khalifa is allowed to take things from Bait-ul- mal (as you call it) by the law then be it. IK did not make these laws. He actually raised the price from 10% of the value to 50% of the value.

In the matter of fact, the laws of a land should be such that legality is measured on them.
Didn't Sharifs, Zardaris, Gilani and Raja took gifts from Toshakhana on even lower %age of the real price? No one talked about legality or ethics of them. They even did not follow the laws while doing it and their Toshakhan cases are in courts for last 10 years.

Yes I too find the matter uethical just as I find it unethical that supreme court judges, journalists, generals and some bureaucrats are given plots on a fraction of the real price and they too sell them after getting the pocession. Supreme court judges get two plots each and they sell one of them to use that money to do the construction on the one they decide to keep.

Why do they get these plots at 10% of the cost sir? Because the law of the land allows so. The Toshakhana laws are for the president, prime minister, speaker, COAS, CMs and chirman of the senate and have always been their.

Generals, Musharaf, Kiyani, Raheel and Bajwa have also taken a lot of gifts home at 20%, not only Sharifs, Zardari and Imran. Imran did mention this in a speech.
Lubnakhan

Abbasi sb you are entitled to your opinion but plz bear in mind that when you are judging a Leader then do not compare one with anyone else. Compare one on one's own character & conduct. Leadership is not about comparasion but about practice of standards a Leader sets out for himself & his Society.

By the way I am still a well wisher of IK & consider him best of the current lot. He may not possess all the qualities of a leader but most of them. Rulers can be compared & if we compare him with others, on the scale of a Rulers, then he is very Good.
Consistency & Determination are his two major qualities.