I have documented proof of Nawaz Sharif & Kulsum Nawaz's foreign bank accounts

[Star Gazer]

This corruption drum is being beaten way too blind and way too loud. Just pause a little bit, try to sift through the noise and mayhem; don't just shout and yell, try to know what you say, try to be sure about what you say. Just because someone has money, does not prove it is ill gotten. Just because someone is in power does not prove he is crook. Just because someone is nastier, and shouts louder, does not prove he has earned the right to power.

Anything done within the law is not corruption. Anything you cannot find or prove, probably did not happen. Anyone who lost an election, probably lost it for a reason. Anyone who wants to be in power, has to win an election.

And that is exactly what we are asking them to provide evidence for.
Now, one thing is crystal clear with the stakes as they are, Sharif's would have provided evidence to prove there is no wrong doing, and the fact that they are doing everything BUT that one thing is quite telling.
Sift through the mayhem, you are right so how old were Hussain and Hassan in 1993?
How did they earn/acquire have such large sums of money to make investments?
Why are there so many discrepancies in the statements from different family member?
How was the money transferred to UK?
Which Saudi bank gave the Sharifs loan for steel mill ?
Who are the Saudi friends who loaned Sharifs money?
How much they sell the steel mill in Jeddah for? They used the money to make another steel mill and buy 4 apartments?! This is unbelievable success so the questions.
You would never see and autobiography from a successful man with shady dealings making him the riches he claims are the fruits of hard work.

So, sift through the mayhem, work through the noise but don't cover your eyes and ears.

 

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This corruption drum is being beaten way too blind and way too loud. Just pause a little bit, try to sift through the noise and mayhem; don't just shout and yell, try to know what you say, try to be sure about what you say. Just because someone has money, does not prove it is ill gotten. Just because someone is in power does not prove he is crook. Just because someone is nastier, and shouts louder, does not prove he has earned the right to power.

Anything done within the law is not corruption. Anything you cannot find or prove, probably did not happen. Anyone who lost an election, probably lost it for a reason. Anyone who wants to be in power, has to win an election.

There are always indicators that lead us to believe that something is not right.

In the case of Nawaz Sharif and his family, if you just look at the following indicators, you will realize that there is something that should be investigated by an independent party.

1 - His tax returns - Any person, including you and me can work back the income on the basis of income tax he or his family paid over the past years to the points when his sons established businesses and bought apartments abroad. You know it is not a rocket science. Based on the income tax returns, he was not able to buy such expensive properties/ businesses.

2 - If we say that he or his family sold some of the property in Pakistan and then bought other property abroad, then we can see how much wealth tax he or his family paid over the years.

3 - The family's statements and the documents of the properties do not match. For example, Maryam Safdar mentioning in 2010 that they don't have any properties abroad, Hussain Nawaz then contradicting her and telling partial truth that he bought certain properties in 2006, and then some documents surfacing that the properties were in fact bought in 1993.

4 - Any legitimate business transfers the money through proper banking channels. If the money has been sent in 1993 (or 2006 as per Hussain Nawaz), what are the transaction details and which banks were involved in such huge transactions?

5 - Nomination papers mentioning that the family doesn't have properties (same as Maryam Nawaz's stance), however, the documents of properties are surfacing one by one, slowly and gradually.

Out of these five, which one in your honest opinion shouldn't be investigated by an independent party?

Now I am just keeping aside all of the above points, I ask you, Allah Subhanahu Wa ta'ala ko hazir nazir jaan kar bataein kay do you think Sharif Family is not corrupt and is completely faithful to the country? Tax evasion while asking others to pay taxes, money laundering while asking others not to use hundi, investing abroad while asking others to invest in Pakistan, hiding assets in the nomination papers etc etc, are some of the serious issues that require further investigation.

Allah Subhanahu Wa ta'ala ko hazir nazir jaan kar bataein kay retired Pakistani judges will be able to do justice with this investigation. While you make judgement, remember the conversation between Shahbaz Sharif and Justice Abdul Qayyum on Saif ur Rahman issue. This is how the justice is sold in Pakistan.

Zulm ka saath dena bhi zulm hai, agar aap ko zara bhi shak hai kay shareef family corrupt hai, aap ko usay beja defend nahi karna chahiey. On the day of judgement, Allah SWT will ask you, me and every other guy about our deeds. He SWT will certainly ask us that when we knew about a corrupt person, why did we defend him in front of others.

Agar aap ko lagta hai kay Imran Khan is also corrupt, do not support him, but for Allah SWT, do not defend the people jin ki kahanian abb jaga jaga publish ho rahi hain.

Main nay aap se aap kay dil ka haal poocha hai iss muamlay main, Allah SWT ko hazir Nazir jaan kar batayega, jhoot na boliyega kyunkay Allah SWT dekh raha hai. Yeh bhi nahi kahieyga kay aap ko nahi pata investigation hogi tou bataeingay. Main ne sifr itna poocha hai kay kia aap ko lagta hai kay sharif family ki mubayyana corruption ki shaffaf tehqeeqat honi chahien? or kia yeh tehqeeqat hukumat kay banaey huay commission say shaffaf hosakti hain?

 

[Talwar Gujjar]

And that is exactly what we are asking them to provide evidence for.
Now, one thing is crystal clear with the stakes as they are, Sharif's would have provided evidence to prove there is no wrong doing, and the fact that they are doing everything BUT that one thing is quite telling.
Sift through the mayhem, you are right so how old were Hussain and Hassan in 1993?
How did they earn/acquire have such large sums of money to make investments?
Why are there so many discrepancies in the statements from different family member?
How was the money transferred to UK?
Which Saudi bank gave the Sharifs loan for steel mill ?
Who are the Saudi friends who loaned Sharifs money?
How much they sell the steel mill in Jeddah for? They used the money to make another steel mill and buy 4 apartments?! This is unbelievable success so the questions.
You would never see and autobiography from a successful man with shady dealings making him the riches he claims are the fruits of hard work.

So, sift through the mayhem, work through the noise but don't cover your eyes and ears.

What did Musharraf investigate and prove and disprove. Wasn't he covering 90's. About that Saudi thing, how many of us are required to show what we do and what we don't do, to make a living in foreign countries, why is there a special emphasis on Sharifs. Did they go abroad illegally, were they required not to do business, what kind of disclosure laws have they violated. It is their money, they have it, I hope they have a lot more, good for them, but I have to make my own---that's how I look at it.

 

[Talwar Gujjar]

There are always indicators that lead us to believe that something is not right.

In the case of Nawaz Sharif and his family, if you just look at the following indicators, you will realize that there is something that should be investigated by an independent party.

1 - His tax returns - Any person, including you and me can work back the income on the basis of income tax he or his family paid over the past years to the points when his sons established businesses and bought apartments abroad. You know it is not a rocket science. Based on the income tax returns, he was not able to buy such expensive properties/ businesses.

2 - If we say that he or his family sold some of the property in Pakistan and then bought other property abroad, then we can see how much wealth tax he or his family paid over the years.

3 - The family's statements and the documents of the properties do not match. For example, Maryam Safdar mentioning in 2010 that they don't have any properties abroad, Hussain Nawaz then contradicting her and telling partial truth that he bought certain properties in 2006, and then some documents surfacing that the properties were in fact bought in 1993.

4 - Any legitimate business transfers the money through proper banking channels. If the money has been sent in 1993 (or 2006 as per Hussain Nawaz), what are the transaction details and which banks were involved in such huge transactions?

5 - Nomination papers mentioning that the family doesn't have properties (same as Maryam Nawaz's stance), however, the documents of properties are surfacing one by one, slowly and gradually.

Out of these five, which one in your honest opinion shouldn't be investigated by an independent party?

Now I am just keeping aside all of the above points, I ask you, Allah Subhanahu Wa ta'ala ko hazir nazir jaan kar bataein kay do you think Sharif Family is not corrupt and is completely faithful to the country? Tax evasion while asking others to pay taxes, money laundering while asking others not to use hundi, investing abroad while asking others to invest in Pakistan, hiding assets in the nomination papers etc etc, are some of the serious issues that require further investigation.

Allah Subhanahu Wa ta'ala ko hazir nazir jaan kar bataein kay retired Pakistani judges will be able to do justice with this investigation. While you make judgement, remember the conversation between Shahbaz Sharif and Justice Abdul Qayyum on Saif ur Rahman issue. This is how the justice is sold in Pakistan.

Zulm ka saath dena bhi zulm hai, agar aap ko zara bhi shak hai kay shareef family corrupt hai, aap ko usay beja defend nahi karna chahiey. On the day of judgement, Allah SWT will ask you, me and every other guy about our deeds. He SWT will certainly ask us that when we knew about a corrupt person, why did we defend him in front of others.

Agar aap ko lagta hai kay Imran Khan is also corrupt, do not support him, but for Allah SWT, do not defend the people jin ki kahanian abb jaga jaga publish ho rahi hain.

Main nay aap se aap kay dil ka haal poocha hai iss muamlay main, Allah SWT ko hazir Nazir jaan kar batayega, jhoot na boliyega kyunkay Allah SWT dekh raha hai. Yeh bhi nahi kahieyga kay aap ko nahi pata investigation hogi tou bataeingay. Main ne sifr itna poocha hai kay kia aap ko lagta hai kay sharif family ki mubayyana corruption ki shaffaf tehqeeqat honi chahien? or kia yeh tehqeeqat hukumat kay banaey huay commission say shaffaf hosakti hain?

Meray dil k haal tau mein kehta rehta houn, aur agar mein jhota be houn tau b aapko koi nahein rokta. If you have evidence of wrongdoing, go become a party to recent petitions in Lahore High Court and get them convicted.

 

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Meray dil k haal tau mein kehta rehta houn, aur agar mein jhota be houn tau b aapko koi nahein rokta. If you have evidence of wrongdoing, go become a party to recent petitions in Lahore High Court and get them convicted.

So you truly believe that Shareef family is not corrupt? Remember, I asked you to make Allah swt shahid on your statement and now I don't have any reason to doubt you. Some people here do get rewards from different parties and they don't follow their own conscience. I believe that you are not one of those.

Anyway, as I said earlier, I don't really trust the integrity of Pakistani courts so there is no point in following up on this matter. I just want that people like you who are educated should be able to differentiate between right and wrong.

 

[Star Gazer]

What did Musharraf investigate and prove and disprove. Wasn't he covering 90's. About that Saudi thing, how many of us are required to show what we do and what we don't do, to make a living in foreign countries, why is there a special emphasis on Sharifs. Did they go abroad illegally, were they required not to do business, what kind of disclosure laws have they violated. It is their money, they have it, I hope they have a lot more, good for them, but I have to make my own---that's how I look at it.

You have not responded to a single question! This tactics of bringing up generals and army and past is irrelevant at this point. You wanted clarity in mayhem,I offered some very concrete, pointed question for your convenience. Stay on track if you are really looking for clarity otherwise do as you please, your arguments are good for your satisfaction. enjoy.

 

[Talwar Gujjar]

You have not responded to a single question! This tactics of bringing up generals and army and past is irrelevant at this point. You wanted clarity in mayhem,I offered some very concrete, pointed question for your convenience. Stay on track if you are really looking for clarity otherwise do as you please, your arguments are good for your satisfaction. enjoy.

I have my questions too; you don't want to respond to them either. But, I have a simple answer to most questions about Sharifs; if you have any evidence of wrongdoing on their part, go place it before a court and get them convicted. Unfortunately, I don't have anything tangible against them, nor have I heard anything credible to that effect even from their ardent critics. All I see is a lot of biggies hate them a lot and just can't stand them. Too bad, people have elected them. Go retool your strategy, work harder, do something to gain the confidence of masses, they may listen to you and they will, if they find you credible.

 

[Star Gazer]

I have my questions too; you don't want to respond to them either. But, I have a simple answer to most questions about Sharifs; if you have any evidence of wrongdoing on their part, go place it before a court and get them convicted. Unfortunately, I don't have anything tangible against them, nor have I heard anything credible to that effect even from their ardent critics. All I see is a lot of biggies hate them a lot and just can't stand them. Too bad, people have elected them. Go retool your strategy, work harder, do something to gain the confidence of masses, they may listen to you and they will, if they find you credible.

Valaikum assalam Gujjar sahib. To each his own