Government should allow Taliban to open office - Imran Khan

[RANA Sana'a]

Re: As a good gesture, should Imran Khan announce his sons & all PTI members to join TTP ?

Do you think without naming or without having office TTP will no longer exist.....should we close eyes and say nothing is present in front of us ?

25 office kafi honge ? ya 30 ?
KPK mein dobara election b hona chahye ta k taliban ko b moqa mile ??
just because IK said it does not mean you must defend it .

 

[samkhan]

Re: As a good gesture, should Imran Khan announce his sons & all PTI members to join TTP ?

فخرِخان موضوع پر بات کجئے آپ تو اشاروں کی مہارت کا ثبوت دینے لگے۔۔
جیلوں میں قتل کے مجرم قید ھیں کیا ان کو بھی دفاتر کھول کر مزاکرات کی دعوت دے کے تبدیلی کا آغاز ھو نا چاھئے؟

ارے جناب کیوں شرمندہ کرتے ہیں. کہاں شیخ السلام اور کہاں یہ نا چیز. شیخ السلام کے اشاروں کو سمجھنے کا حوصلہ تو صرف انکے اشاروں پر ناچنے والے مریدوں کو ہی ہے ہم کہاں اس قابل

:lol:

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باقی رہی آپ کی دوسری بات تو سیدھی، سچی اور کڑوی بات یہ ہے ہم طالبان پر قابو پانے میں ناکام ہو چکے ہیں. جب ریاست کمزور ہو جائے تو اسے اس طرح کے فیصلے کرنے پڑتے ہیں جو کہ شاید آئیڈیل نہ ہوں. جب مسلمان کمزور تھے تو صلح حدیبیہ بھی کرنا پڑا اور کفار کی شرائط کو تسلیم بھی کرنا پڑا کہ اسلامی ریاست کمزور تھی اور مسلمان بھی تعداد میں تھوڑے تھے. ٩ سال میں ہم طالبان اور شدت پسندی پر قابو نہ پا سکے حالانکہ ہم ان سے لڑ رہے ہیں. پہلے صرف طالبان کا ایک گروہ تھا اب تیس ہو گئے ہیں. پہلے صرف وہ قبائلی علاقوں میں موجود تھے اب سارے ملک میں موجود ہیں. پہلے صرف پشتون طالبان تھے اب پنجابی طالبان بھی بن گئے ہیں. ابھی صرف کے پی کے میں دھماکے ہوتے ہیں کل کو خدانخوستہ کراچی، لاہور اور دوسرے بڑے شہروں میں بھی تواتر سے ہونا شروع ہو جائینگے. اس طرح تو ہماری فوج سارے ملک میں ہی لڑتی رہے گی. آپ کی بات اس وقت صحیح ہوتی جب ریاست مضبوط ہو اور اگر ہم ایک مضبوط ریاست ہوتے تو اتنے سارے جہادی لشکر کبھی بنتے ہی نہیں. یہاں تو آۓ دن ایک نیا جہادی گروہ سامنے آتا ہے اور ریاست کچھ نہیں کر پاتی. چلو طالبان تو پھر بھی بڑی چیز ہیں میں چیلنج کرتا ہوں کہ ہم لشکر جھنگوی یا سپاہ صحابہ پر قابو نہیں پا سکتے. میں یہ نہیں کہتا کہ طالبان سے مذاکرات کامیاب ہو جائینگے لیکن اگر ہم جنگ سے اس دہشتگردی اور شدت پسندی پر قابو نہیں پا سکے تو مذاکرات کو ایک موقع ضرور دینا چاہیے

 

[macbeth]

Re: Imran Khan's Bizarre idea to allow TTP to open an office is unbelievable and unexpected from a such a Leader.


کم از کم 30 دفاتر تو ھونے چاھئے۔۔ تاکہ ھر دھماکے کے بعد خٹک صاحب ان پاس جا کر تصدیق کر سکیں۔۔
بھائی یہ دھماکہ آپ نے کیا یا ساتھ والے دفتر کی طالبانی برانچ نے کیا؟
ماننا پڑے گا۔۔ وژن تو ھے۔۔

 

[samkhan]

Re: As a good gesture, should Imran Khan announce his sons & all PTI members to join TTP ?

waisay tum se bara jahal aaj tak is dunia mein paida nahi ho ga,usa aur dosray countries hain,wo humaray mulk k loog nahi,ye haramkhor talban pakistani hain,lekin aal e yahood k agent banay howay hain,in sab ko finish kar dena chahiay,

کیا کہہ رہا ہے بے.... کیا تو نے آج تک اپنے ابو کو نہیں دیکھا؟

 

[auqab]

hahahaahha kia reply kia hae! zabardast!

 

[jason]

Re: Imran Khan's Bizarre idea to allow TTP to open an office is unbelievable and unexpected from a such a Leader.

Masla kia hay roz koi na koi issue khara kar laitay ho TUQ TUQ kay hamnawaon nay daal nahi khaani tu naa khaain TUQ TUQ ko kahain k pulao bhaij dain>
WOT laganay se pehlay bhi talibaan k office thay balkkay unka safeer thaa yahaan par.

Yeh saaray suqrat aur buqrat(chand Takon k liye) hamaari hi qismat main hain kuch ko tu hamain US ko tuhfay main de dena chahiyay.

IK ki aik opinion hay aur zaroori nahin k is opinion par Fed. Govt. amal karay tu phir FED. Govt. k peechay par jao k nahi bhai hamain daal nahin khaani tu woh jawaban kahain gay k

Palay nahin dhela tay kardi mela mela.

 

[GeoG]

Re: As a good gesture, should Imran Khan announce his sons & all PTI members to join TTP ?

Bahana acha mara hai apne.......but won't work this time:biggthumpup: IK ne lagta hai bina soche samjha ye bayan de Diya!

Not at all,
this has to be the first step if this war is to end peacefully
You got to know who are you fighting this war against
There is talk of 30+ groups, let everyone come out of their covers

One Example IRA
They had political representation in the name of sinn fein
and ultimate ceasefire was though dialogue with them

No such political representation of these groups in Pakistan
Fazlu thinks he represents them,
but he would not want to solve the problem as political strength comes from the survival of Taliban
and he is a very devious character so why talk through mediator, why not Taliban directly...

 

[Mehrushka]

Re: As a good gesture, should Imran Khan announce his sons & all PTI members to join TTP ?

Not at all,
this has to be the first step if this war is to end peacefully
You got to know who are you fighting this war against
There is talk of 30+ groups, let everyone come out of their covers

One Example IRA
They had political representation in the name of sinn fein
and ultimate ceasefire was though dialogue with them

No such political representation of these groups in Pakistan
Fazlu thinks he represents them,
but he would not want to solve the problem as political strength comes from the survival of Taliban
and he is a very devious character so why talk through mediator, why not Taliban directly...

im in fav of talks with Taliban......but asking for an office for them,bit too much....no?????

 

[TONIC]

Re: As a good gesture, should Imran Khan announce his sons & all PTI members to join TTP ?

thats not the point...what kind of msg IK se giving to the whole world by asking for an office for Taliban in Pakistan.....Pehle Konsa itni achi reputation hai duniya main,is statement se mazeed kharab ho gi....nothing to be proud of or worth defending !

Dunya main reputation kaisee hai us kay liay Pakistani passport pakar kar travel karoo to pata chalay ga....agar American allow kar saktay hain Qatar main office to hum kion naheen....important thing is not our image internationally , important thing is if our country is safe for people living in Pakistan or not !!

I don't support & I am not defending TTP but at the end of day they are Pakistanis & we have to accommodate them in our society.

Regarding IK he is not PM of our country & as such he doesn't have ultimate say for last 12 years what ever policy we have been following has not made our country safe so we need to do something which is different as a famous saying goes

"If you want something different to happen you should do what you have never done before".

 

[shahbaz tariq]

Re: As a good gesture, should Imran Khan announce his sons & all PTI members to join TTP ?

im in fav of talks with Taliban......but asking for an office for them,bit too much....no?????

no.........

 

[TONIC]

Re: As a good gesture, should Imran Khan announce his sons & all PTI members to join TTP ?

25 office kafi honge ? ya 30 ?
KPK mein dobara election b hona chahye ta k taliban ko b moqa mile ??
just because IK said it does not mean you must defend it .

Number of offices are not important, important thing is to accommodate Pakistanis in main stream otherwise you will have same situation existing in Pakistan which has been existing for last 1 years.

 

[Mehrushka]

Re: As a good gesture, should Imran Khan announce his sons & all PTI members to join TTP ?

Dunya main reputation kaisee hai us kay liay Pakistani passport pakar kar travel karoo to pata chalay ga....agar American allow kar saktay hain Qatar main office to hum kion naheen....important thing is not our image internationally , important thing is if our country is safe for people living in Pakistan or not !!

I don't support & I am not defending TTP but at the end of day they are Pakistanis & we have to accommodate them in our society.

Regarding IK he is not PM of our country & as such he doesn't have ultimate say for last 12 years what ever policy we have been following has not made our country safe so we need to do something which is different as a famous saying goes

"If you want something different to happen you should do what you have never done before".

Well it depends.......ab Taliban per nuclear weapons use nahin huwe.....to Kia apke logic ke mutabiq kpk govt should ask for the use of NW on Taliban???? Sounds silly but said that Bcoz of logic given by you:biggthumpup:

 

[Mehrushka]

Re: As a good gesture, should Imran Khan announce his sons & all PTI members to join TTP ?

no.........

im sure agar pti ne ttp ke leader ko kpk ka CM bana Diya.....apko tab bhi eteraz nahin hoga......Haina????

 

[malikccj]

Re: Imran Khan's Bizarre idea to allow TTP to open an office is unbelievable and unexpected from a such a Leader.

mere khya mai aisa koi bhi qadam talban ko aur mauzboot bana dy ga jis ka matlab riast ky andar riast ka qiam ho ga aur ye bat Pak army ko kisi tarah se manzoor ni ho gi.khan sb to tailban ki muhbat mai ***** huy ja rahy ha aur dary bethy ha ky kahi un per attack na kr dy.
http://www.dunyaurdu.com/2013/09/26/america-aur-al-qaeda-main-rabty-hamid-mir/

 

[GeoG]

Re: As a good gesture, should Imran Khan announce his sons & all PTI members to join TTP ?

im in fav of talks with Taliban......but asking for an office for them,bit too much....no?????

In my opinion it is not too much
Talking with them behind the curtains or through mediators create vagueness and benefit of doubt goes to Taliban
Let them declare their policy through an office where everyone can hear them

There are two schools of though,
One that we can marginalize them peacully and they will dilute in society with the passage of time
Second that we they will only listen to Danda and even for that you have to do all the per-requisites (Hujjat)

for either of these options, you need to hear them directly from a specific place
rather than through ISI or Hamid Meer's version of events, both twisted most of the time

 

[HHH...]

Waziristan aur swat mein bahut faraq hy bhuya...
south & north ko mila ker pura afghanistan ban jata hy.. no specific enter and exit are there and any one can enter from anywhere aunlike swat.
i am not Taliban supporter, and want to crush them all but it's not that easy.

lets suppose, operation is successful, the game will start right after that.
how you can maintain the peace after operation?
It's not possible for Army.

The best solution in my opinion is IK strategy, negotiate, seperate, take the tribals in confidence, and operate along with the tribals.
its the best way for succesful operation and for permanent stability in the region.

to kain :(

 

[Mehrushka]

Re: As a good gesture, should Imran Khan announce his sons & all PTI members to join TTP ?

In my opinion it is not too much
Talking with them behind the curtains or through mediators create vagueness and benefit of doubt goes to Taliban
Let them declare their policy through an office where everyone can hear them

There are two schools of though,
One that we can marginalize them peacully and they will dilute in society with the passage of time
Second that we they will only listen to Danda and even for that you have to do all the per-requisites (Hujjat)

for either of these options, you need to hear them directly from a specific place
rather than through ISI or Hamid Meer's version of events, both twisted most of the time

i think you're not getting what I'm trying to say.....let me try again...to hold talks with Taliban is not an issue...even media has their cell nos....to have talks with Taliban,there's no need for an office...secondly if this office is attacked by people who's relatives were killed by Taliban,then what????? Situation will get worst from bad!!!!

 

[HHH...]

We and our support is with IK, straight army operation is not a solution of the problem.
It will ruin us for good. we need permanent solution to the problem and peace in the region which will not come with Army operation.
the game for Taliban will start right after operation and we will be the prime victims.

IK cares for us and he has the best strategy for operation, peace and we are with him.

bhi shahb agr ap sirf Talban ka ghar hai.

 

[TONIC]

Re: As a good gesture, should Imran Khan announce his sons & all PTI members to join TTP ?

Well it depends.......ab Taliban per nuclear weapons use nahin huwe.....to Kia apke logic ke mutabiq kpk govt should ask for the use of NW on Taliban???? Sounds silly but said that Bcoz of logic given by you:biggthumpup:

Taliban par to America nay bhee nuclear use naheen kiay.....fighting is not & will never bring any solution.......Pakistan has been fighting these TTP people for last 12 years & so far we have not won the war, US has spent USD 8 trillion on war & still going for dialogue with them in Qatar...Pakistan can never spend that much money & Pakistan has to remain in this region we are not US who has to leave by 2014....So best option for Pakistan is always going to negotiate which our PM has already said and to do that you need to have a Party so let them have a office so that negotiation can start, apart from that negotiations also gives space to intelligence agencies to track all the people involved....win win situation for Pakistan is to have negotiation with TTP so that we have friendly Govt in Afghanistan once US is going to leave by 2014.

 

[Humi]

Re: As a good gesture, should Imran Khan announce his sons & all PTI members to join TTP ?

i think you're not getting what I'm trying to say.....let me try again...to hold talks with Taliban is not an issue...even media has their cell nos....to have talks with Taliban,there's no need for an office...secondly if this office is attacked by people who's relatives were killed by Taliban,then what????? Situation will get worst from bad!!!!

exactly...(clap)