'FLOTILLA' ISRAEL attacks aid ship headed for Palestine - [Update: Israel rejects UN multinational i

biomat

Minister (2k+ posts)
Dear WEBER
You are here & didnot replied to my posts in other thread http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...istanis-should-be-arriving-in-PAK-soon/page10
What about CONFIRMED CASE against MOSSAD KILLING in DUBAI UAE (INTERNATIONAL LAND) now killing in INTERNATIONAL WATER. How far u can go by saying DEMOCRACY.. ONE OF ISRAEL PRIME MINISTER IS CONFIRMED WAR CRIMINAL by UN.. U dont have any moral to defend what atrocities u are doing.
ALLAH is the best judge for you. Shame.. Even USA/CIA, UK/MI5 has links with ALQAEDA confirmed from their ex-secret servicemen.. ( i think u didnot watched the videos i posted on other thread about Terror Storm: Final Cut - Special Edition MUST WATCH ..
Brother dont just quake if u dont have the ground to support it. What every power u may have in killing innocent people but thruth will make its way into open how hard u try to stop it..
Hope u will start seeing with your INNER EYE, as our prophet Muhammad PBUH said that DAJJAL will be BLIND from RIGHT EYE, now i know why he said that..
WALLAH ALAM. JAZA-k-ALLAH weber.
 

Ammad Hafeez

Minister (2k+ posts)
Turkey will "never forgive" Israel

Turkey will "never forgive" Israel




The Turkish president has said that Israel's military raid on civilian aid ships bound for the Gaza Strip has caused "irreparable" damage to his country's relations with Israel, and will "never" be forgiven.
"From now on, Turkish-Israeli ties will never be the same. This incident has left an irreparable and deep scar," Abdullah Gul said in a televised speech on Thursday, as thousands gathered in the streets of Istanbul to pay their respects to the humanitarian activists killed during the raid.
The raid "is not an issue that can be forgotten... or be covered up... Turkey will never forgive this attack," he said.
Nine people - eight Turks and a US national of Turkish origin- were killed in Monday's pre-dawn raid on the Mavi Mamara, which was carrying aid to Gaza in a bid to break Israel's strangling blockade of the territory.
As their funerals got underway on Thursday, thousands poured onto the streets around the Fatih Mosque in Istanbul, chanting slogans condemning Israel and waving Turkish and Palestinian flags.
IN DEPTH Turkish media estimated the size of the crowd as between 15,000 and 20,000 people, a reflection of the depth of anger in Turkey over the Israeli assault on the ships.
Several imams directed the mourners in prayer as eight of the coffins, draped in Turkish and Palestinian flags, were laid on marble stands for people to pay their respects.
Shot from above
The demonstration came as Turkish forensic experts confirmed that the nine activists had been shot dead.
Al Jazeera's Jamal Elshayyal, who reported from the ship during the raid, confirmed that live ammunition had been used by Israeli commandos as they stormed the ship.
He said that he witnessed some of the killings, and confirmed that at least "one person was shot through the top of the head from [the helicopter] above."
Elshayyal was on the top deck when the ship was attacked and said that within a few minutes of seeing the Israeli helicopters, there were shots being fired from above.
"The first shots [coming from Israeli boats at sea] were tear gas, sound grenades and rubber coated steel bullets," said Eshayyal.
"Live shots came five minutes after that. There was definitely live fire from the air and from the sea as well."
He confirmed that some passengers took apart some of the ship's railings to defend themselves as they saw the Israeli soldiers approaching.
"After the shooting and the first deaths, people put up white flags and signs in English and Hebrew," he said.
"An Israeli [on the ship] asked the soldiers to take away the injured, but they did not and the injured died on the ship."
Injured flown home
Earlier on Thursday, three air ambulances landed at a military base in Ankara, the Turkish capital, carrying wounded activists who were transferred from Israeli custody to hospitals in the city.
Hundreds of supporters, including Bulent Arinc, Turkey's deputy prime minister, and several other Turkish politicians, gathered at the airport in Istanbul to welcome the returning activists.
"They faced barbarism and oppression but returned with pride," Arinc told hundreds of jubilant relatives and supporters outside the airport, chanting "God is Great!"
Almost all of the detained passengers on board the flotilla have now been released.
Seven activists wounded in Monday's clashes were still being treated in an Israeli hospital, the Israeli foreign ministry said.
Three others - an Irishman and two women from Australia and Italy - remained in Israel "for technical reasons", the ministry said.
But Ayman Mohyeldin, Al Jazeera's correspondent in Jerusalem, said that four Palestinian-Israelis also remain in prison.
Our correspondent said that Raed Salah, a leader of the Islamic Movement in Israel, was one of those still being held.
Israel defiant
Israel has remained defiant about the raid, rejecting calls for a international investigation into the incident, and warning it is ready to intercept another aid ship, the Rachel Corrie, that is due to head for Gaza next week.
IN DEPTH
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Blog: Israel defending the indefensible Twitter: Sherine Tadros Pictures: Protests around the world Previous activists killed by Israel Focus: On board the Freedom Flotilla Focus: Gaza's real humanitarian crisis Video: Israel's Gaza PR offensive Programmes: Born in Gaza Accusing international critics of "hypocrisy," Binyamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, defended the seizure of the aid ships on Wednesday.
"This was not the Love Boat," he said in a televised address to the nation, referring to the vessel boarded by commandos. "It was a hate boat."
"These weren't pacifists, these weren't peace activists, they were violent supporters of terrorism."
Netanyahu said the aim of the flotilla was to break the blockade of Gaza, not to bring aid.
He said that if the blockade ended, ships would bring in thousands of missiles from Iran to be aimed at Israel and beyond, creating what he said would be an Iranian port on the Mediterranean.
"The same countries that are criticising us today should know that they would be targeted tomorrow," Netanyahu said.
However, Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary-general, said the flotilla tragedy only highlights the serious underlying problem - namely, the siege imposed on the Gaza.
He said that the siege was "counter-productive, unsustainable and wrong".
"It punishes innocent civilians," he said, calling for the siege to be lifted immediately.


http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2010/06/20106312530449379.html
 

hassam

MPA (400+ posts)
very happy 2 know the Indian views about so called state of Israel and thanks them who favor the innocent Arb Muslims .There is no limit of barbarism of Israeli dogs toward innocent Palestinian and we are astonished how the so called human organization and ruler of US become silent on this issue.

Please do not use the word Barbarism in our lifes. this word is stemmed from the maligning effort of the catholics to call the invasion of Burburs as heonic act. I would rather start using the term Bushism, Bushicistics and any other extension of this word.
 

sshahid

Siasat.pk - Blogger
it is peak time to form an alliance with Turkey against Israel, but given our current corrupt slave leadership, that is a foolish desire and day dreaming on my part.
 

Ammad Hafeez

Minister (2k+ posts)
Yeah, But Nation of Pakistan could stand with Turkey and iran against Israel.. And Pakistani Nation Should demand to Government to help Turkey at any cost..
 
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يہ تاثر بالکل غلط ہے کہ امريکی حکومت اس واقعے کے حوالے سے تحقيقات کی راہ میں رکاوٹ ڈال رہی ہے يا ان عوامل کو چھپانے کی خواہش مند ہے جو اس سانحے کی وجہ بنے۔



اس ضمن ميں سيکرٹری کلنٹن کے بيان کا حوالہ دوں گا جس ميں انھوں نے اس واقعے کی درست تحقیق کی ضرورت پر زور ديا ہے۔



"امريکہ اقوام متحدہ کی سيکورٹی کونسل کی جانب سے ان عوامل کی مذمت کی حمايت کرتا ہے جو اس سانحے کا موجب بنے۔ ہم سيکورٹی کونسل کی جانب سے اس واقعہ کی فوری، غير جانب دارانہ، مصدقہ اور شفاف تحقيق کے مطالبے کی بھرپور حمايت کرتے ہيں۔ ہم اسرائيل کی جانب سے ايسی تحقيق جو ان ضروريات کو پورا کرے، اس کی حمايت کرتے ہيں۔ ہم ايک قابل بھروسہ تحقيقی عمل کو يقينی بنانے کے ليے عالمی شموليت سميت کسی بھی اور طريقہ کار کو اختيار کرنے کے معاملے ميں کھلی سوچ رکھتے ہيں۔ آنے والے دنوں میں ہم اسرائيل اور اپنے عالمی اتحاديوں سے اس ضمن ميں مذاکرات جاری رکھيں گے۔"



يہ واقعہ ان مذاکرات کے ضمن ميں پيش رفت کی اہميت کو بھی اجاگر کرتا ہے جو اس خطے ميں مکمل امن کا موجب بنيں گے۔ اسرائيل اور فلسطين کے مسلۓ کا واحد اور قابل عمل حل دونوں فريقين کے مابين طے پانے والا ايک ايسا معاہدہ ہے جو اس تسلط کو ختم کرے جو 1967 ميں شروع ہوا تھا۔ اسی صورت ميں دونوں فريقين اس منزل کو پا سکتے ہيں جس کی بنياد ايک آزاد وطن کا قيام ہے، ايک آزاد اسرائيلی رياست اور اس سے ملحقہ ايک خودمختار اور آزاد فلسطينی رياست کا قيام جہاں دونوں قوميں امن اور سلامتی کو يقينی بنا سکتی ہيں۔



امريکہ غزہ ميں عام شہريوں پر تکاليف، بگڑتی ہوئ صورت حال اور انسانی حقوق کے حوالے سے مشکلات پر گہری تشويش رکھتا ہے۔ ہم اس بات پر يقين رکھتے ہيں کہ يہ صورت حال برقرار نہيں رکھی جا سکتی اور نہ ہی يہ حالات کسی بھی فريق کے حق ميں ہيں۔ ہم غزہ ميں انسانی آبادی کی بحالی اور اس کے ليے درکار اشياء کی ترسيل کو يقينی بنانے کے لیے اسرائيل کے ساتھ روزانہ کی بنياد پر بات چيت کا عمل جاری رکھيں گے۔



فواد ڈيجيٹل آؤٹ ريچ ٹيم يو ايس اسٹيٹ ڈيپارٹمينٹ




 

awan4ever

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Fawad – Digital Outreach Team – US State Department



يہ تاثر بالکل غلط ہے کہ امريکی حکومت اس واقعے کے حوالے سے تحقيقات کی راہ میں رکاوٹ ڈال رہی ہے يا ان عوامل کو چھپانے کی خواہش مند ہے جو اس سانحے کی وجہ بنے۔



اس ضمن ميں سيکرٹری کلنٹن کے بيان کا حوالہ دوں گا جس ميں انھوں نے اس واقعے کی درست تحقیق کی ضرورت پر زور ديا ہے۔



"امريکہ اقوام متحدہ کی سيکورٹی کونسل کی جانب سے ان عوامل کی مذمت کی حمايت کرتا ہے جو اس سانحے کا موجب بنے۔ ہم سيکورٹی کونسل کی جانب سے اس واقعہ کی فوری، غير جانب دارانہ، مصدقہ اور شفاف تحقيق کے مطالبے کی بھرپور حمايت کرتے ہيں۔ ہم اسرائيل کی جانب سے ايسی تحقيق جو ان ضروريات کو پورا کرے، اس کی حمايت کرتے ہيں۔ ہم ايک قابل بھروسہ تحقيقی عمل کو يقينی بنانے کے ليے عالمی شموليت سميت کسی بھی اور طريقہ کار کو اختيار کرنے کے معاملے ميں کھلی سوچ رکھتے ہيں۔ آنے والے دنوں میں ہم اسرائيل اور اپنے عالمی اتحاديوں سے اس ضمن ميں مذاکرات جاری رکھيں گے۔"



يہ واقعہ ان مذاکرات کے ضمن ميں پيش رفت کی اہميت کو بھی اجاگر کرتا ہے جو اس خطے ميں مکمل امن کا موجب بنيں گے۔ اسرائيل اور فلسطين کے مسلۓ کا واحد اور قابل عمل حل دونوں فريقين کے مابين طے پانے والا ايک ايسا معاہدہ ہے جو اس تسلط کو ختم کرے جو 1967 ميں شروع ہوا تھا۔ اسی صورت ميں دونوں فريقين اس منزل کو پا سکتے ہيں جس کی بنياد ايک آزاد وطن کا قيام ہے، ايک آزاد اسرائيلی رياست اور اس سے ملحقہ ايک خودمختار اور آزاد فلسطينی رياست کا قيام جہاں دونوں قوميں امن اور سلامتی کو يقينی بنا سکتی ہيں۔



امريکہ غزہ ميں عام شہريوں پر تکاليف، بگڑتی ہوئ صورت حال اور انسانی حقوق کے حوالے سے مشکلات پر گہری تشويش رکھتا ہے۔ ہم اس بات پر يقين رکھتے ہيں کہ يہ صورت حال برقرار نہيں رکھی جا سکتی اور نہ ہی يہ حالات کسی بھی فريق کے حق ميں ہيں۔ ہم غزہ ميں انسانی آبادی کی بحالی اور اس کے ليے درکار اشياء کی ترسيل کو يقينی بنانے کے لیے اسرائيل کے ساتھ روزانہ کی بنياد پر بات چيت کا عمل جاری رکھيں گے۔



فواد – ڈيجيٹل آؤٹ ريچ ٹيم – يو ايس اسٹيٹ ڈيپارٹمينٹ





JERUSALEM: Israel dismissed on Thursday a UN decision to set up a probe of the deadly raid on a Gaza-bound flotilla, saying the Human Rights Council that adopted the resolution had no moral authority whatsoever.

"The authority of this council, which once again is working stubbornly against Israel, has reached rock bottom," said foreign ministry spokesman Ygal Palmor.

He pointed out that some of the resolution's signatories, like "Djibouti, Pakistan, Cuba or Saudi Arabia, are in a bad position to present themselves as defenders of human rights which they violate massively," he told foreign news agency.

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/updates.asp?id=106000

Thats Israel showing you the proverbial finger Mr. Fawad!
So much for investigation of ANY sort!
 

Nawazish

Minister (2k+ posts)
If Israel is declared a terrorist state, what about those countries which support it - financially, militarily, strategically, intellectually, and so on? Its supporters include Arab/Muslim nations (all those who have diplomatic or other ties with it) That effectively means that the entire collective of countries in the world - bar a few - are terrorists in actuality or by intent.

I agree with the long-standing policy of the Torah-True Orthodox Jews - the State of Israel has nothing to do with Judaism, the religion has been hijacked by Zionists and their supporters as an act of open rebellion against the Will of Allah SWT. Thus, it should be peacefully dismantled and returned to its original inhabitants - ie., the Palestinians, comprising Muslims, Christians and Jews.
 

mya

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Better late than never...but obviously as always Big Brother will come to the rescue
 

NaveedAli

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
the reason israel is unstoppable is because we are weak, forget the israel cuz its just a small factor to muslim world we have much more bigger things to worry about and once we gain the minimal strength israel would have no chance whatsoever and that day will come i have faith and pakistan will be THE ONE who will fight on behalf of ALLAH's Army against Satan's, thou its sounds like joke if we see the todays picture but its not impossible.
 

greywolf

Councller (250+ posts)
^a man of very fine stature ... sadly, good men throughout the history always take the painful path of righteousness and they don't try to impose truth by crook or Obama would have never been a president. I will say Obama is the biggest joke of the century that has ever taken place anywhere in the world ... first time in the history of USA ... a man literally with his ties and bonds with underworld has got to such a higher office in USA. I remember the Hadith which reads ... " .............. in those times, worst of the people would be made leaders ...... " or something to that effect. See USA ... with a well-versed electoral and political system in place ... have elected the worst of the nation to be its representative.
 

Ammad Hafeez

Minister (2k+ posts)
Tribute to Those Martyred Fighting Israeli Opression Freedom Flotilia

Tribute to Those Martyred Fighting Israeli Opression Freedom Flotilia

A brief introduction to the nine Turkish people shot dead on 31 May 2010, by Israeli soldiers who attacked the Turkish vessel M.V. Mavi Marmara, as it attempted to transport humanitarian aid to the people of the Gaza Strip.
1. Ibrahim Bilgen, 61, an electrical engineer from Siirt. Member of the Chamber of Electrical Engineers of Turkey. Married with 6 children. (link link link link)
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2. Ali Haydar Bengi, 39, from Diyarbakir. Graduate of Al-Azhar University, Cairo (Department of Arabic literature). Married with 4 children. (link)
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3. Cevdet Kililar, 38, a journalist from Kayseri. Married with two children. See his Flickr photos here. (link)
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4. etin Topuoglu, 54, from Adana. Former amateur soccer player and taekwondo champion, who coached Turkeys national taekwondo team. Married with one son. See his Facebook page here. (link link)
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5. Necdet Yildirim, 32, from Malatya. Married with a three-year-old daughter. (Dogan News Agency)
6. Fahri Yaldiz, 43, a firefighter who worked for the Municipality of Adiyaman. Married with four children. (link)
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7. Cengiz Songr, 47, from Izmir. Married with seven children. (link link)
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8. Cengiz Akyz, 41, from Iskenderun. Married with children aged 14, 12 and nine. (link)
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9. Furkan Dogan, 19, student at Kayseri High School. Son of Dr. Ahmet Dogan, Assoc Prof at Erciyes University. A Turkish-American dual national, with two siblings. (link link)
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hans

Banned
Some thoughts on Israel Constitution and UN Resolution 181

Several misconceptions about Zionism and land exist. The first is that Zionism did not particularly aim to settle the "Holy Land" (Palestine) and that Zionists were willing to settle in places such as East Africa and Cyprus. The latter were considered for a time as temporary asylums in order to alleviate the suffering of Russian Jews, but they were never accepted as end goals for settlement by the Zionist movement. In order to further the goal of settlement outside Palestine, Israel Zangwill left the Zionist movement and founded the Territorial Zionist movement, a separate political and ideological stream, that tried to secure a national home for the Jews in other territories. Zangwill also became a champion of immigration to America and of assimilation. Another myth is that Zionism aspires to extend the borders of Israel throughout the Middle East. Zionists certainly wanted the largest possible territory for the Jewish state, but the main goal was always to have a national home for the Jewish people within the ancient territory of Israel and Judea, and the Zionist movement accepted partition of the British mandate in 1922, a tiny truncated state offered in 1937 and the UN partition resolution of 1947. A peculiar claim of anti-Zionists offered as "proof" of "Zionist expansionism" is the claim that Israel is the only country whose constitution does not define its borders. Israel does not have a constitution, and many or most constitutions do not define the borders of the state, as for example the United States constitution. The Declaration of Independence of the State of Israel does not declare its borders.

HEREBY PROCLAIM the establishment of the Jewish State IN Palestine, to be called ISRAEL. ( I do hope reader understand the word "IN" are you getting my point .. where is Palestine now?)

WE HEREBY DECLARE that as from the termination of the Mandate at midnight, this night of the 14th and 15th May, 1948, and until the setting up of the duly elected bodies of the State in accordance with a Constitution, to be drawn up by a Constituent Assembly not later than the first day of October, 1948, the present National Council shall act as the provisional administration, shall constitute the Provisional Government of the State of Israel.

THE STATE OF ISRAEL will be open to the immigration of Jews from all countries of their dispersion; will promote the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; will be based on the precepts of liberty, justice and peace taught by the Hebrew Prophets; will uphold the full social and political equality of all its citizens, without distinction of race, creed or sex; will guarantee full freedom of conscience, worship, education and culture; will safeguard the sanctity and inviolability of the shrines and Holy Places of all religions; and will dedicate itself to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

THE STATE OF ISRAEL will be ready to cooperate with the organs and representatives of the United Nations in the implementation of the Resolution of the Assembly of November 29, 1947, and will take steps to bring about the Economic Union over the whole of Palestine.

We appeal to the United Nations to assist the Jewish people in the building of its State and to admit Israel into the family of nations.

In the midst of wanton aggression, we still call upon the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to return to the ways of peace and play their part in the development of the State, with full and equal citizenship and due representation in its bodies and institutions - provisional or permanent.

We offer peace and neighborliness to all the neighboring states and their peoples, and invite them to cooperate with the independent Hebrew nation for the common good of all.

Our call goes out the the Jewish people all over the world to rally to our side in the task of immigration and development and to stand by us in the great struggle for the fulfillment of the dream of generations - the redemption of Israel.

With trust in the rock of Israel [sometimes incorrectly translated as "Lord of Israel or "Almighty God -tr], we set our hand to this Declaration, at this Session of the Provisional State Council, in the city of Tel Aviv, on this Sabbath eve, the fifth of Iyar, 5708, the fourteenth day of May, 1948.


Resolution 181 also declared Jerusalem to be a corpus separatum - a separate body, to be run under an international UN administration. The area to be run in this way included all of Jerusalem, Bethlehem and Beit Sahour, to encompass the Christian holy sites. A map of the proposed areas is shown here. The status of Jerusalem as a corpus separatum was reiterated in UN General Assembly Resolution 303 of December 9, 1949, even though the UN supervised armistice agreements determined that Jerusalem would remain divided between Jordan and Israel.



UN General Assembly Resolution 181

November 29, 1947

The General Assembly,


Adopted at the 128th plenary meeting:

In favour: 33

Australia, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, Byelorussian S.S.R., Canada, Costa Rica, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, France, Guatemala, Haiti, Iceland, Liberia, Luxemburg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Sweden, Ukrainian S.S.R., Union of South Africa, U.S.A., U.S.S.R., Uruguay, Venezuela.

Against: 13

Afghanistan, Cuba, Egypt, Greece, India, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, Yemen.

Abstained: 10

Argentina, Chile, China, Colombia, El Salvador, Ethiopia, Honduras, Mexico, United Kingdom, Yugoslavia.
 

greywolf

Councller (250+ posts)
o bhai mere ... woh to yeh bhee kehte hain ke holocaust huaa thaa ... in ki baton par na jaao ... Rothschild ka statement record par hai ke hum india ke baad aapko bhee aik separate mulk de rahe hain aglay saal ...

Jews asked England to secure them a piece of land and England, in fact, did offered them a place in the middle of europe ... but they insisted that they only prefer middle east ... in fact, they named Palestine. Rothschild and all those diamond-cutters in England who were body and soul of English economy at that time did concurred a deal with Yemen and Palestine. Palestinians, then, as a gesture of arabic brotherhood welcomed them deep inside as jews from all over the world were pouring in and the strip Yemen and Palestine have had agreed to entrust them with was getting over crowded and there was no provision in that area for civil endurance. Mind you, to this date, Yemen is a communist Islamic country ... second only after Afghanistan. And Palestine ... Na'oodhu Billah, I don't wanna backbite my muslim brothers but their islamic fibre was worst in the history of muslims. They were worse than atheists at that time, would call Allah SWT names, Na'oodhu Billah. So this stance of anti-territorial B.S. is just another attempt at distorting history and part of their moutainous media hype. Don't read history what they have engineered after all these years ... find an impartial source.
 

sshahid

Siasat.pk - Blogger
i really feel like giving big hug to Talat and both other Pakistanis went through this ordeal for such a noble cause. May Allah reward them for this.
 

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