jalalamardan
Councller (250+ posts)
i can held my head high because of u talat.long live talat & ajj tv .sadda khush raho
'FLOTILLA' ISRAEL attacks aid ship headed for Palestine - [Update: Israel rejects UN multinational i
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what is the source of your information? I am wondering about the part where you are trying to backbite the muslims of Palestine. In my opinion this kind of disinformation is spread to quench our feelings for our brother like many people spread hearsay about the cause of Pakistan.
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khan125
Guest
Narey laganey ki kia tuk bantee he bs narey laganey ka shoke he is qoum ko.
greywolf
Councller (250+ posts)
My biggest source of information regarding that is Imam Anwar Al-Awlaki ... go listen to his lectures.
And if you find it insufficient ... find a book ... pre-1948 Palestine written by a turk writer and translated into english ... sorry I don't remember the site but it is available online and you can find through google.
And what is more, brother, I was not backbiting anyone ... I was relating their historical behavior. But what they have been doing before does not mean that they are not muslims ... in fact, I was trying to say that even with so much radicalization in Palestinian society ... when Allah SWT applied them to a test ... a very fine group of muslims has emerged out of them. Now consider it this way ... don't muslims drink alcohol in Pakistan ? Don't they commit adultery ? I mean a majority of them do these kind of things ... but still they are muslims and a tragedy can sober them up. It does not mean I am backbiting them ... I have said so in my post.
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I was just taking your words. Not quoting that you did backbite. Thanks for the reply.
masadi1980
MPA (400+ posts)
There is also a beautiful reply to a comment by an indian to an indian.
Reply to nizi)-
vishu says:
June 02,2010 at 09:52 PM IST
what about pakisthan captured kashmir which belongs to india man u people only justifies mulims not as a human being if muslims suffered then cries if others u dont bother at all shame on you unhuman
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Indian Hindu says:
June 02,2010 at 11:21 PM IST
i think you need to get your facts right here...you are talking about kashmir issue which is as old as India's indepedence. First of all how come Britishers became eligible to divide what should be India and what should be Pakistan? secondly, if it was a muslim majrity state as per division rules it should have gone to pakistan. thirdly, did anyone care what people wanted at that time? fourthly, if it is integral part of India why we have article 370 for so many decades? fifthly, why all international maps show POK as not part of India? i am an Indian Hindu and just trying to play devils advocate to say that what picture we are given by government may not be completely true...their may be other sides to it. Lets face it kashmir has been bone of contention between India and Pakistan since independence and both have their own shares of it. It is better we accept the fact that POK is part of Pakitan and rest is integral part of India and kill anyone who tries to create trouble in Indian kashmir and India should also stop saying anything for POK.
Reply to nizi)-
June 02,2010 at 09:52 PM IST
what about pakisthan captured kashmir which belongs to india man u people only justifies mulims not as a human being if muslims suffered then cries if others u dont bother at all shame on you unhuman
(Reply to vishu)-
June 02,2010 at 11:21 PM IST
i think you need to get your facts right here...you are talking about kashmir issue which is as old as India's indepedence. First of all how come Britishers became eligible to divide what should be India and what should be Pakistan? secondly, if it was a muslim majrity state as per division rules it should have gone to pakistan. thirdly, did anyone care what people wanted at that time? fourthly, if it is integral part of India why we have article 370 for so many decades? fifthly, why all international maps show POK as not part of India? i am an Indian Hindu and just trying to play devils advocate to say that what picture we are given by government may not be completely true...their may be other sides to it. Lets face it kashmir has been bone of contention between India and Pakistan since independence and both have their own shares of it. It is better we accept the fact that POK is part of Pakitan and rest is integral part of India and kill anyone who tries to create trouble in Indian kashmir and India should also stop saying anything for POK.
gazoomartian
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Whats that?
He is not part of yellow journalism.
ALI ARYAN
Senator (1k+ posts)
Yar Is se andaza lagayen ke qaum main kitna jazba hai Talat bhai koi leader waghera to hai nahin per awam ki umangoon ke hisab se ek kavish main shamil thay jis ke baais aaj her Pakistani ka sir fakahr se bulund hai. Jab Ek Muslim Mulk ke sarbarah khuwab e khargosh ke mazay lot rahay hain, apnay arboob kharboon ko seedha karnay main masroof hain us waqt unhoon ne Ummat e Muslima ke ek dereena problem ki help or pointout karnay ki ek koshish main hisaa le kar is sui hui qaum ke jagnay ka saboot deeya hai. Meri nazar main to yeh ek Ghazai hain. Allah inki umer daraz kare or mujh ko yaqeen hai ke Insha Allah ab isi tarah se her Pakistani jo kisi na kisi field main hai woh apnay Palestenin bhayon ki madad main aagay barhay ga.
Adeel
Founder
میں طلعت حسین اور ان کے ساتھیوں کی با خیریت واپسی پر
خدا کا شکر ادا کرتا ہوں اور امید کرتا ہوں کہ آیندہ آنے والے دنوں
میں فلسطین کا مسئلہ اجاگر ہونے میں طلعت حسین کی قربانیاں اور
کاوشوں کو راۓ گان نہیں کیا جاۓ گا
میری عوام اور حکمرانوں سے درخواست ہے کہ فلسطین کے بےیار
و مدد گار کے لیے اس موقع کو غنیمت جانتے ہویے اس مسئلہ کو قومی
اور بین الاقوامی پلیٹ فارم پر جتنا ہو سکے زندہ رکھنے میں مدد کریں
اور روایتی بے حسی کا مظاہرہ نہیں کریں
خدا کا شکر ادا کرتا ہوں اور امید کرتا ہوں کہ آیندہ آنے والے دنوں
میں فلسطین کا مسئلہ اجاگر ہونے میں طلعت حسین کی قربانیاں اور
کاوشوں کو راۓ گان نہیں کیا جاۓ گا
میری عوام اور حکمرانوں سے درخواست ہے کہ فلسطین کے بےیار
و مدد گار کے لیے اس موقع کو غنیمت جانتے ہویے اس مسئلہ کو قومی
اور بین الاقوامی پلیٹ فارم پر جتنا ہو سکے زندہ رکھنے میں مدد کریں
اور روایتی بے حسی کا مظاہرہ نہیں کریں
scary
Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Freedom Flotilla Massacre--from the eyes of Isreal itself!
Reporting Israeli Assault Through Israel's Eyes
Attack on humanitarian flotilla prompts little media skepticism
SOURCE:Reporting Israeli Assault Through Israel's Eyes
6/1/10
On May 31, the Israeli military attacked a flotilla of boats full of civilians attempting to deliver humanitarian supplies to the Gaza Strip. Reports indicate that at least nine and as many as 16 of the activists on board were killed, though details remain sketchy due to Israel's censorious limitations on media coverage. Much of the U.S. media coverage has been remarkably unskeptical of Israel's account of events and their context, and has paid little regard to international law.
The New York Times (6/1/10) glossed over the facts of the devastating Israeli siege of Gaza, where 1.5 million people live in extreme poverty. As reporter Isabel Kershner wrote, "Despite sporadic rocket fire from the Palestinian territory against southern Israel, Israel says it allows enough basic supplies through border crossings to avoid any acute humanitarian crisis."
Asking Israel to explain the effects of its embargo on the people of Gaza makes little sense, especially when there are plenty of other resources available. The U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs reported (IRIN, 5/18/10):
As a consequence of Israel’s blockade of the Gaza Strip, 98 percent of industrial operations have been shut down since 2007 and there are acute shortages of fuel, cash, cooking gas and other basic supplies....
Water-related health problems are widespread in the Strip because of the blockade and Israel's military operation in Gaza, which destroyed water and sanitation infrastructure, including reservoirs, wells, and thousands of kilometres of piping....
Chronic malnutrition has risen in Gaza over the past few years to reach 10.2 percent....
In Gaza, Israel's blockade is debilitating the healthcare system, limiting medical supplies and the training of medical personnel and preventing serious medical cases from travelling outside the Strip for specialized treatment.
Israel's 2008-2009 military operation damaged 15 of the Strip's 27 hospitals and damaged or destroyed 43 of its 110 primary healthcare facilities, none of which have been repaired or rebuilt because of the construction materials ban. Some 15-20 percent of essential medicines are commonly out of stock and there are shortages of essential spare parts for many items of medical equipment.
Those facts, though, aren't persuasive to everyone. The Washington Post's June 1 editorial page had one of the most appalling takes on the killings: "We have no sympathy for the motives of the participants in the flotilla--a motley collection that included European sympathizers with the Palestinian cause, Israeli Arab leaders and Turkish Islamic activists."
Many of the analysis pieces in major papers focused on the fallout for Israel and the United States, rather than the civilians killed or the humanitarian crisis they were trying to address. The Post's Glenn Kessler (6/1/10) framed the U.S. response, not the Israeli attack, as the complicating factor: "Condemnation of Israeli Assault Complicates Relations With U.S." Kessler lamented, "The timing of the incident is remarkably bad for Israel and the United States," while a Los Angeles Times account (6/1/10) called the raid "a public relations nightmare for Israel." The New York Times' Kershner wrote (NYTimes.com, 5/31/10) that "the criticism [of Israel over the attack] offered a propaganda coup to Israel's foes, particularly the Hamas group that holds sway in Gaza."
Other news accounts presented misleading context about the circumstances leading to Israel's blockade. Kershner (New York Times, 6/1/10) stressed that "Israel had vowed not to let the flotilla reach the shores of Gaza, where Hamas, an organization sworn to Israel's destruction, took over by force in 2007." The Associated Press (6/1/10) reported that "Israel and Egypt sealed Gaza's borders after Hamas overran the territory in 2007, wresting control from Abbas-loyal forces"--the latter a reference to Fatah forces affiliated with Mahmoud Abbas.
Both accounts ignore the fact that Hamas won Palestinian elections in 2006, which led the United States and Israel to step up existing economic restrictions on Gaza. An attempt to stoke a civil war in Gaza by arming Fatah militants--reported extensively by David Rose in Vanity Fair (4/08)--backfired, and Hamas prevailed (Extra!, 9-10/07).
Much of the U.S. press coverage takes Israeli government claims at face value, and is based largely on footage made available by Israeli authorities--while Israel keeps the detained activists away from the media (not to mention from lawyers and worried family members). The Washington Post (6/1/10) reported the attack this way:
Upon touching down, the Israeli commandos, who were equipped with paint guns and pistols, were assaulted with steel poles, knives and pepper spray. Video showed at least one commando being lifted up and dumped from the ship's upper deck to the lower deck. Some commandos later said they jumped into the water to escape being beaten. The Israeli military said some of the demonstrators fired live ammunition. Israeli officials said the activists had fired two guns stolen from the troops.
As Salon.com's Glenn Greenwald wrote (5/31/10): "Just ponder what we'd be hearing if Iran had raided a humanitarian ship in international waters and killed 15 or so civilians aboard."
The Times' June 1 report included seven paragraphs of Israel's account of what happened on board the Turkish ship, the Mavi Marmara, where the civilians were killed; the paper reported that "There were no immediate accounts available from the passengers of the Turkish ship" because the Israeli base they were taken to "was off limits to the news media and declared a closed military zone."
The Times piece also showed little interest in international law, mentioning Israel's claim regarding the legality of their actions but providing no analysis from any international law experts to support or debunk the claim: "Israeli officials said that international law allowed for the capture of naval vessels in international waters if they were about to violate a blockade."
According to Craig Murray (5/31/10), former British ambassador and specialist on maritime law, the legal position "is very plain": "To attack a foreign flagged vessel in international waters is illegal. It is not piracy, as the Israeli vessels carried a military commission. It is rather an act of illegal warfare."
Reporting Israeli Assault Through Israel's Eyes
Attack on humanitarian flotilla prompts little media skepticism
SOURCE:Reporting Israeli Assault Through Israel's Eyes
6/1/10
On May 31, the Israeli military attacked a flotilla of boats full of civilians attempting to deliver humanitarian supplies to the Gaza Strip. Reports indicate that at least nine and as many as 16 of the activists on board were killed, though details remain sketchy due to Israel's censorious limitations on media coverage. Much of the U.S. media coverage has been remarkably unskeptical of Israel's account of events and their context, and has paid little regard to international law.
The New York Times (6/1/10) glossed over the facts of the devastating Israeli siege of Gaza, where 1.5 million people live in extreme poverty. As reporter Isabel Kershner wrote, "Despite sporadic rocket fire from the Palestinian territory against southern Israel, Israel says it allows enough basic supplies through border crossings to avoid any acute humanitarian crisis."
Asking Israel to explain the effects of its embargo on the people of Gaza makes little sense, especially when there are plenty of other resources available. The U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs reported (IRIN, 5/18/10):
As a consequence of Israel’s blockade of the Gaza Strip, 98 percent of industrial operations have been shut down since 2007 and there are acute shortages of fuel, cash, cooking gas and other basic supplies....
Water-related health problems are widespread in the Strip because of the blockade and Israel's military operation in Gaza, which destroyed water and sanitation infrastructure, including reservoirs, wells, and thousands of kilometres of piping....
Chronic malnutrition has risen in Gaza over the past few years to reach 10.2 percent....
In Gaza, Israel's blockade is debilitating the healthcare system, limiting medical supplies and the training of medical personnel and preventing serious medical cases from travelling outside the Strip for specialized treatment.
Israel's 2008-2009 military operation damaged 15 of the Strip's 27 hospitals and damaged or destroyed 43 of its 110 primary healthcare facilities, none of which have been repaired or rebuilt because of the construction materials ban. Some 15-20 percent of essential medicines are commonly out of stock and there are shortages of essential spare parts for many items of medical equipment.
Those facts, though, aren't persuasive to everyone. The Washington Post's June 1 editorial page had one of the most appalling takes on the killings: "We have no sympathy for the motives of the participants in the flotilla--a motley collection that included European sympathizers with the Palestinian cause, Israeli Arab leaders and Turkish Islamic activists."
Many of the analysis pieces in major papers focused on the fallout for Israel and the United States, rather than the civilians killed or the humanitarian crisis they were trying to address. The Post's Glenn Kessler (6/1/10) framed the U.S. response, not the Israeli attack, as the complicating factor: "Condemnation of Israeli Assault Complicates Relations With U.S." Kessler lamented, "The timing of the incident is remarkably bad for Israel and the United States," while a Los Angeles Times account (6/1/10) called the raid "a public relations nightmare for Israel." The New York Times' Kershner wrote (NYTimes.com, 5/31/10) that "the criticism [of Israel over the attack] offered a propaganda coup to Israel's foes, particularly the Hamas group that holds sway in Gaza."
Other news accounts presented misleading context about the circumstances leading to Israel's blockade. Kershner (New York Times, 6/1/10) stressed that "Israel had vowed not to let the flotilla reach the shores of Gaza, where Hamas, an organization sworn to Israel's destruction, took over by force in 2007." The Associated Press (6/1/10) reported that "Israel and Egypt sealed Gaza's borders after Hamas overran the territory in 2007, wresting control from Abbas-loyal forces"--the latter a reference to Fatah forces affiliated with Mahmoud Abbas.
Both accounts ignore the fact that Hamas won Palestinian elections in 2006, which led the United States and Israel to step up existing economic restrictions on Gaza. An attempt to stoke a civil war in Gaza by arming Fatah militants--reported extensively by David Rose in Vanity Fair (4/08)--backfired, and Hamas prevailed (Extra!, 9-10/07).
Much of the U.S. press coverage takes Israeli government claims at face value, and is based largely on footage made available by Israeli authorities--while Israel keeps the detained activists away from the media (not to mention from lawyers and worried family members). The Washington Post (6/1/10) reported the attack this way:
Upon touching down, the Israeli commandos, who were equipped with paint guns and pistols, were assaulted with steel poles, knives and pepper spray. Video showed at least one commando being lifted up and dumped from the ship's upper deck to the lower deck. Some commandos later said they jumped into the water to escape being beaten. The Israeli military said some of the demonstrators fired live ammunition. Israeli officials said the activists had fired two guns stolen from the troops.
As Salon.com's Glenn Greenwald wrote (5/31/10): "Just ponder what we'd be hearing if Iran had raided a humanitarian ship in international waters and killed 15 or so civilians aboard."
The Times' June 1 report included seven paragraphs of Israel's account of what happened on board the Turkish ship, the Mavi Marmara, where the civilians were killed; the paper reported that "There were no immediate accounts available from the passengers of the Turkish ship" because the Israeli base they were taken to "was off limits to the news media and declared a closed military zone."
The Times piece also showed little interest in international law, mentioning Israel's claim regarding the legality of their actions but providing no analysis from any international law experts to support or debunk the claim: "Israeli officials said that international law allowed for the capture of naval vessels in international waters if they were about to violate a blockade."
According to Craig Murray (5/31/10), former British ambassador and specialist on maritime law, the legal position "is very plain": "To attack a foreign flagged vessel in international waters is illegal. It is not piracy, as the Israeli vessels carried a military commission. It is rather an act of illegal warfare."
For all the idiots who think all the ship was carrying weapons such as knives, saws, axes etc.... That's all fake and already exposed. I respect the Indians here but I hope they are not as dumb as some people think they are ... First view the expose on the fake photos of the arms that Israelis capture at this link:
http://ibnkafkasobiterdicta.wordpre...reign-affairs-fakes-photos-of-seized-weapons/
And secondly for the morons, who feel that Israeli actions were justified .... just answer these simple questions:
1. If UN which is a legitmate body had already declared the blockade by Israel as unlawful and illegal ... what gives Israel the right to block anyone from entering Gaza
2. What gives them the right to invade like pirates in international waters .... if you don't know the meaning of international waters and what laws apply there... just google or go to wikipedia.org
3. They were the aggressors ... they first attacked the ship when it never stopped by opening live fire and then threw smoke and stun grenades from the helicopters before the commandoes even dropped on the ships
4. They then illegally boarded a ship and used the same tactics that they use against kids throwing rocks and stones i.e. use live weapons which killed over 10 innocent people
5. They then forced the ships into their waters and then held the people who were not even going to Israel against their will in detention and tortured them and then of course deported them because they didn't had Israel visas but dumbasses why would they have visas for this stupid country that they were not even visiting.
Come on guys ... be realistic ... don't act like US government who have double standards when it come to Israel and their human rights violations. The problem is that the superpower keeps forgetting that there is another SupremePower which is more greater than a billion superpowers like US combined together and He has own ways to resolve problems and Inshallah He will. Israel's atrocities are now exposed and just wait for the media to show the world the videos that Israel thought they confisicated and is slowly seeping out which will show the truth and show the true colors of Israel. Time's running out for the corrupt Israeli politicians and the government ... even majority of their own citizens know that this is a huge fraud and this is going to isolate them even more. Shame on Israel for the heinous crimes against humanity and shame on all of its supporters.
http://ibnkafkasobiterdicta.wordpre...reign-affairs-fakes-photos-of-seized-weapons/
And secondly for the morons, who feel that Israeli actions were justified .... just answer these simple questions:
1. If UN which is a legitmate body had already declared the blockade by Israel as unlawful and illegal ... what gives Israel the right to block anyone from entering Gaza
2. What gives them the right to invade like pirates in international waters .... if you don't know the meaning of international waters and what laws apply there... just google or go to wikipedia.org
3. They were the aggressors ... they first attacked the ship when it never stopped by opening live fire and then threw smoke and stun grenades from the helicopters before the commandoes even dropped on the ships
4. They then illegally boarded a ship and used the same tactics that they use against kids throwing rocks and stones i.e. use live weapons which killed over 10 innocent people
5. They then forced the ships into their waters and then held the people who were not even going to Israel against their will in detention and tortured them and then of course deported them because they didn't had Israel visas but dumbasses why would they have visas for this stupid country that they were not even visiting.
Come on guys ... be realistic ... don't act like US government who have double standards when it come to Israel and their human rights violations. The problem is that the superpower keeps forgetting that there is another SupremePower which is more greater than a billion superpowers like US combined together and He has own ways to resolve problems and Inshallah He will. Israel's atrocities are now exposed and just wait for the media to show the world the videos that Israel thought they confisicated and is slowly seeping out which will show the truth and show the true colors of Israel. Time's running out for the corrupt Israeli politicians and the government ... even majority of their own citizens know that this is a huge fraud and this is going to isolate them even more. Shame on Israel for the heinous crimes against humanity and shame on all of its supporters.
Larka from Karachi
Voter (50+ posts)
But Rizwan bhai I am telling you he will never try to go Israel, he can only speak,speak and speak without any AMAL, batain hoti hain Allah aor Rasoolpbuh ki aor kitni SUNNAT par amal hota hai meray bhai, hamaray pas bolnay walay bohat hain Allah SWA se dua hai ke koi amal karne wala bhi mil jaye, Bolta to Zardari bhi bohat acha hai kabhi sunnay ki ghalti karain na please Jazakallah
