FBR confirms 24,000 containers missing from Karachi Port

Bilal_Mushi

Minister (2k+ posts)
FBR confirms 24,000 containers missing from Karachi Port



Ansar Abbasi
Wednesday, September 07, 2011






ISLAMABAD: Thousands of Nato, ISAF and US Military containers have reportedly gone missing inside Pakistan during the last four years amid serious fears that many of these may have contained arms and ammunitions, which may have gone to terrorists.

Almost corroborating the grave charges levelled by dissident Sindhi PPP leader Dr Zulfiqar Mirza that a senior minister of MQM was responsible for these missing containers being in-charge of Ports and Shipping Ministry, sources in the Federal Board of Revenue say in addition to more than 24,000 missing containers of Afghan Transit Trade Commercial side, thousands of the unchecked containers belonging to Nato, ISAF and US Military had left the Karachi Port, but did not cross the Pak-Afghan border during the last four years. The sources, however, did not name any one for this missing cargo, as alleged by Dr Mirza.

The sources said an inquiry committee is presently investigating the matter to ascertain the exact number of Nato, ISAF and US Military’s non-commercial containers that have disappeared during these years without any knowledge of the authorities about the contents in these containers. However, the sources apprehend that the missing containers were loaded with huge quantities of arms and ammunitions.

The MQM, however, strongly denied the allegations at a news conference addressed by former Karachi Nazim Mustafa Kamal and said if containers were stolen there would have been some FIRs registered and while police was under Zulfiqar Mirza as Home Minister why did he not stop this theft and lodge any FIR.

According to one of the sources, the number of missing Nato, ISAF and US Military containers is expected to be alarmingly high and possibly beyond one’s comprehension.

A spokesman for the FBR, when contacted, said the number of missing ATT commercial containers has so far been confirmed around 24,000 following which the FBR had already initiated action against the responsible.

The spokesman said a FBR committee is presently focusing on the missing containers of Nato, ISAF and US Military to get the exact number during the last four years. He, however, did not give any number for these missing containers and insisted that it would be speculative to quote the figure of thousands for the missing Nato, ISAF and US Military containers.

“We would quote the figure only when we have the precise number,” the spokesman said, adding in case of the missing Nato, ISAF and US Military containers the government would even take up the matter with the concerned embassies before giving any conclusive figure.

The spokesman admitted that there exist serious holes in the system, which led to the missing of tens of thousands of containers.

The sources, however, said the facility provided by the government of Pakistan for commercial and military imports for Afghanistan have been massively misused not only as a conduit for smugglers, but also for terrorists and the enemies of Pakistan.

“Nobody knows what was there in the missing containers of Nato, ISAF and US Military,” one of the sources said, lamenting despite these scandalous facts known to different authorities in the government, nothing has been done as yet to ascertain where these missing containers actually landed.

In July this year, FBR chairman Salman Siddique had informed the Supreme Court that over Rs47 billion were evaded as 23,882 containers of commercial category under Afghan Transit Trade (ATT) destined from Karachi port to Afghanistan were missing.

Besides, he admitted that record of 19,000 dispatched containers to Afghanistan through Chaman and Torkham borders under non-commercial category for ISAF from January 2007 to October was not found so another pilferage to national exchequer was also observed.

The FBR chairman also told the court that FIRs were lodged against the culprits including importers, clearing agents, terminal/port operators, custom officials, shipping agents, transporters on 147 containers missing incident whereas letter of explanation were also issued to the concerned officers.


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Khurram.k

Senator (1k+ posts)
This is old news bilal ... just reconfirmed by this article , that's all . Kamran khan interviewed the gangster mustafa kamal tonight ,right after he had responded to Mirza's allegations .On a response to this particular allegation , Mustafa kamal said ,"why no one made a sound back then when it was happening" . Kamran khan (who in my list is mqmer after his last show) obviously wouldn't question his masters and say ," my baap .... containers kay chori honay aur unki gumshudgi ki report pooray media par chal chuki hai ...sirf ilzaam aaj laga hai . Is liey meharbaani kar ke isko deny mat karo , sirf javab do". Laken nahi ..wo tattu bhi ya tau dar gya ya bik gya ..kionke aajkal mqm ke haq main bolnay waalay sahaafi ka rate bohat ziada ho ga beshak.
Killers may die !
 

A.Ali.T

Minister (2k+ posts)
This is old news bilal ... just reconfirmed by this article , that's all . Kamran khan interviewed the gangster mustafa kamal tonight ,right after he had responded to Mirza's allegations .On a response to this particular allegation , Mustafa kamal said ,"why no one made a sound back then when it was happening" . Kamran khan (who in my list is mqmer after his last show) obviously wouldn't question his masters and say ," my baap .... containers kay chori honay aur unki gumshudgi ki report pooray media par chal chuki hai ...sirf ilzaam aaj laga hai . Is liey meharbaani kar ke isko deny mat karo , sirf javab do". Laken nahi ..wo tattu bhi ya tau dar gya ya bik gya ..kionke aajkal mqm ke haq main bolnay waalay sahaafi ka rate bohat ziada ho ga beshak.
Killers may die !


خرم بھائی آپ تو کسی سے نہیں ڈرتے نہ ہی آپ بکے ہوے ہیں - آپ براۓ مہربانی یہ ذرا فرمائیں کہ آپ کے خیال میں یہ چوبیس ہزار کنٹینرز آخر کراچی میں کہاں چھپاکر رکھے گیے ہیں کوئی جگہ ہے ایسی -
 
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Khurram.k

Senator (1k+ posts)
خرم بھائی آپ تو کسی سے نہیں ڈرتے نہ ہی آپ بکے ہوے ہیں - آپ براۓ مہربانی یہ ذرا فرمائیں کہ آپ کے خیال میں یہ چوبیس ہزار containers آخر کراچی میں کہاں چھپاکر رکھے گیے ہیں کوئی جگہ ہے ایسی -
nahi bhai ... Alhamdulillah , main Allah say darta hoon ...aur apnay baap say . Us kay ilava main kisi say nahi darta . aap na bhi kehtay tau main sach hi bolta ... chupana 24000 containers ko nahi tha ... uskay samaan ko tha . Main karachi ,Nazimabad number 1 main pala barha hoon . Mera parosi unit incharge tha ... uskay ghar main eik waqt main haqeeqi ke 16 larkay rakhay gaye thay . Pooray mohallay ko pata tha laken kisi ki jurrat nahi thi avaaz nikaalnay ki . 1 haftay kay andar andar sab ko maar dia tha ... shayad eik din main eik sath nahi maara gya kionke roz thori thori borian phenk kar dehshat pehlani thi . Ab aap andaaza karo ke eik chotay say ghar main 16 larkay rakhay gaye hon ..usi ghar main 1600 guns ya explosive nahi rakha ja sakta ?
Mera kehnay ka maqsad har giz ye nahi hai ke haqiqi walay fairshtay hain ..wo bhi utnay hi qatil hain . 24000 containers main zaroori nahi sab main hi aslah ho ... ho sakta hai us main say 20,000 containers main dried food ho ... bottles of water hon .... masla un containers ka hai jis main waqai aslah ho sakta hai . Aur agar ye kaam hoa hai tau aap hi imaandaari say batao , kisi bari ministry kay approval kay bagher ho sakta hai ?.
hamain parties , zabaan , rang , huliey say bahar nikalna paray ga dost , agar Pakistan bachana hai . Aur eik aur baat ... khuda na khwasta agar kal Pakistan na raha tau parson karachi bhi nahi rahay ga . Agar koi ye sochta hai ke amrecia ki madad say karachi alag state banaya ja sakta hai tau ye socho ke agar America apnay interest kay liey Pakistan tor sakta hai tau kal wohi America aap kay sath apna dollar adha kion karay ga ? Kal tak taliban america kay heroes thay , jab tak wo russians kay sath laray .. aaj dekh lo . Aaj libyan extremist ko John Mccain apna hero kehta hai ... Libya kay oil par abhi say hissay ho rahay hain ... kal baki oil kay liey in rebels ko bhi maar diya jaye ga .
Jaagnay ka waqt a gya hai dost ... ye altaf , ye mirza , ye shahi syed , ye zardari ..... har-am zaaday ya tau bahir hain ya bhaag jaain ge ... main aur aap apnay bachon kay liey kia chor kar jaain ge ? Hamaray maa baap nay hamain goray say azaadi dilvai ... ham apnay bacho ko America ki ghulami day kar jaain ?
Meri baat ka bura nahi maan-na bhai ... na tau altaf nay mera kuch khaya hai na Imran nay mujhay kuch diya hai . Mera concern sirf Pakistan hai ...koi leader nahi .
aaj main aur aap sach bol rahay hain ... aaj aap sach sach ye batao ke mqm dehshat gardi karti hai ya nahi ? aur please ye mat kehna ke sirf mqm nahi karti . 2 wrongs don't make one right . Mqm nay shuru kia aur aaj reaction a raha hai ... laken reaction bhi ghalat hai ..unkay liey bhi wohi saza honi chahiey , chahay wo koi bhi kar raha ho .
MERAY SAVAAL KA JAVAAB ZAROOR DIJIEY GA .
 
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A.Ali.T

Minister (2k+ posts)
nahi bhai ... Alhamdulillah , main Allah say darta hoon ...aur apnay baap say . Us kay ilava main kisi say nahi darta . aap na bhi kehtay tau main sach hi bolta ... chupana 24000 containers ko nahi tha ... uskay samaan ko tha . Main karachi ,Nazimabad number 1 main pala barha hoon . Mera parosi unit incharge tha ... uskay ghar main eik waqt main haqeeqi ke 16 larkay rakhay gaye thay . Pooray mohallay ko pata tha laken kisi ki jurrat nahi thi avaaz nikaalnay ki . 1 haftay kay andar andar sab ko maar dia tha ... shayad eik din main eik sath nahi maara gya kionke roz thori thori borian phenk kar dehshat pehlani thi . Ab aap andaaza karo ke eik chotay say ghar main 16 larkay rakhay gaye hon ..usi ghar main 1600 guns ya explosive nahi rakha ja sakta ?
Mera kehnay ka maqsad har giz ye nahi hai ke haqiqi walay fairshtay hain ..wo bhi utnay hi qatil hain . 24000 containers main zaroori nahi sab main hi aslah ho ... ho sakta hai us main say 20,000 containers main dried food ho ... bottles of water hon .... masla un containers ka hai jis main waqai aslah ho sakta hai . Aur agar ye kaam hoa hai tau aap hi imaandaari say batao , kisi bari ministry kay approval kay bagher ho sakta hai ?.
hamain parties , zabaan , rang , huliey say bahar nikalna paray ga dost , agar Pakistan bachana hai . Aur eik aur baat ... khuda na khwasta agar kal Pakistan na raha tau parson karachi bhi nahi rahay ga . Agar koi ye sochta hai ke amrecia ki madad say karachi alag state banaya ja sakta hai tau ye socho ke agar America apnay interest kay liey Pakistan tor sakta hai tau kal wohi America aap kay sath apna dollar adha kion karay ga ? Kal tak taliban america kay heroes thay , jab tak wo russians kay sath laray .. aaj dekh lo . Aaj libyan extremist ko John Mccain apna hero kehta hai ... Libya kay oil par abhi say hissay ho rahay hain ... kal baki oil kay liey in rebels ko bhi maar diya jaye ga .
Jaagnay ka waqt a gya hai dost ... ye altaf , ye mirza , ye shahi syed , ye zardari ..... har-am zaaday ya tau bahir hain ya bhaag jaain ge ... main aur aap apnay bachon kay liey kia chor kar jaain ge ? Hamaray maa baap nay hamain goray say azaadi dilvai ... ham apnay bacho ko America ki ghulami day kar jaain ?
Meri baat ka bura nahi maan-na bhai ... na tau altaf nay mera kuch khaya hai na Imran nay mujhay kuch diya hai . Mera concern sirf Pakistan hai ...koi leader nahi .
aaj main aur aap sach bol rahay hain ... aaj aap sach sach ye batao ke mqm dehshat gardi karti hai ya nahi ? aur please ye mat kehna ke sirf mqm nahi karti . 2 wrongs don't make one right . Mqm nay shuru kia aur aaj reaction a raha hai ... laken reaction bhi ghalat hai ..unkay liey bhi wohi saza honi chahiey , chahay wo koi bhi kar raha ho .
MERAY SAVAAL KA JAVAAB ZAROOR DIJIEY GA .



خرم بھائی آپ یہ بتائیں کہ دو سو سولہ گز کے مکان میں سولہ لڑکے تو آسکتے ہیں مگر چوبیس ہزار کنٹینرز سے نکلا ہوا سامان نہیں آسکتا - اگر آیا ہوتا تو جس طرح آپ نے وہ لڑکے دیکھ لئے تو سامان بھی دیکھ لیتے - جہاں تک اس بات کا تعلق ہے کہ ایم کو ایم دہشت گردی کرتی ہے کہ نہیں - تو میرے خیال میں ضرور کرتی ہوگی مگر میرے پاس کوئی ٹھوس ثبوت نہیں ہے -
 
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Khurram.k

Senator (1k+ posts)
خرم بھائی آپ یہ بتائیں کہ دو سو سولہ گز کے مکان میں سولہ لڑکے تو آسکتے ہیں مگر چوبیس ہزار کونتینرز سے نکلا ہوا سامان نہیں آسکتا - اگر آیا ہوتا تو جس طرح آپ نے وہ لڑکے دیکھ لئے تو سامان بھی دیکھ لیتے - جہاں تک اس بات کا تعلق ہے کہ ایم کو ایم دہشت گردی کرتی ہے کہ نہیں - تو میرے خیال میں ضرور کرتی ہوگی مگر میرے پاس کوئی ٹھوس ثبوت نہیں ہے -
lol Ali bhai itnay masoom aap ho nahi saktay ... apkay khayal main 24000 containers ka samaan eik hi ghar main chupaya ho ga ? ya karachi main mqm ka sirf eik hi karkun hai ? Aur ye jo saboot vaali diplomacy kar gaye hain aap , zabardast hai . Allah apko vo saboot na hi dikhaye .
Eik mazaydaar baat share karta hoon aap say . Main DJ college main parha ... meray school kay kaafi dost S.M science college main chalay gaye thay .. tau unkay sath hang out karnay jata tha . Jab S.M science jata aur koi jamaati pehchaan leta tau sab mil kar maartay that ke DJ say apmso ka banda aya hai ... wapis apnay college aata tau apmso waalay martay thay ke ye jamaation say mil kar aya hai ..hahaha. Bari maar khayee kuch din tak , phir eik letter apnay area kay jamaat ke ameer say aur eik letter unit incharge say lar kar gya ..dono nay ye likh kar dia tha kay iska koi talluk nahi hai kisi party say .
Kher , agar aap apnay eemaan say sach keh rahay hain ke apkay paas mqm ki dehshat gardi ka koi thos saboot nahi hai tau aap khush kismat hain , kionke vo saboot ankho say dekh kar kayee kayee raat neend nahi aati thi mujhay .... sirf bori ka mu khula hota tha ..us main eik chehra nazar ata tha jiskay mu par kapra bandha hota tha aur uskay sar main khoon , raat bhar main mitti ko laal kar chuka hota tha . Karachi ki gandi galion me 90s main ye kaam almost roz hi hota tha ...aur usi shaam footpath par beth kar mqm kay banday ma behan ki gaalian day kar ye baatain hath par hath maar kar bata rahay hotay thay kay kis banday ka kaam kesay aur kahan kia aur kahan la kar phenka ... ham sab nay jaan deni hai , pehlay Allah phir siasat .
 

mrk123

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
خرم بھائی آپ تو کسی سے نہیں ڈرتے نہ ہی آپ بکے ہوے ہیں - آپ براۓ مہربانی یہ ذرا فرمائیں کہ آپ کے خیال میں یہ چوبیس ہزار کنٹینرز آخر کراچی میں کہاں چھپاکر رکھے گیے ہیں کوئی جگہ ہے ایسی -

You know that empty containers are a hot commodity and could be sold for a good price. They dont have to be sitting around somewhere. I was told by someone who worked in a clearing/forwarding company that they bought stolen empty containers then changed the paperwork to make them legit and resold them.
 

A.Ali.T

Minister (2k+ posts)
lol Ali bhai itnay masoom aap ho nahi saktay ... apkay khayal main 24000 containers ka samaan eik hi ghar main chupaya ho ga ? ya karachi main mqm ka sirf eik hi karkun hai ? Aur ye jo saboot vaali diplomacy kar gaye hain aap , zabardast hai . Allah apko vo saboot na hi dikhaye .
Eik mazaydaar baat share karta hoon aap say . Main DJ college main parha ... meray school kay kaafi dost S.M science college main chalay gaye thay .. tau unkay sath hang out karnay jata tha . Jab S.M science jata aur koi jamaati pehchaan leta tau sab mil kar maartay that ke DJ say apmso ka banda aya hai ... wapis apnay college aata tau apmso waalay martay thay ke ye jamaation say mil kar aya hai ..hahaha. Bari maar khayee kuch din tak , phir eik letter apnay area kay jamaat ke ameer say aur eik letter unit incharge say lar kar gya ..dono nay ye likh kar dia tha kay iska koi talluk nahi hai kisi party say .
Kher , agar aap apnay eemaan say sach keh rahay hain ke apkay paas mqm ki dehshat gardi ka koi thos saboot nahi hai tau aap khush kismat hain , kionke vo saboot ankho say dekh kar kayee kayee raat neend nahi aati thi mujhay .... sirf bori ka mu khula hota tha ..us main eik chehra nazar ata tha jiskay mu par kapra bandha hota tha aur uskay sar main khoon , raat bhar main mitti ko laal kar chuka hota tha . Karachi ki gandi galion me 90s main ye kaam almost roz hi hota tha ...aur usi shaam footpath par beth kar mqm kay banday ma behan ki gaalian day kar ye baatain hath par hath maar kar bata rahay hotay thay kay kis banday ka kaam kesay aur kahan kia aur kahan la kar phenka ... ham sab nay jaan deni hai , pehlay Allah phir siasat .



خرم بھائی نہ میں آپکو جانتا ہوں اور نہ ہی آپ مجھے جانتے ہیں مگر پھر بھی میں آپکو شک کا فائدہ دیتا ہوں اور آپکی بات کو من و عن تسلیم کرتا ہوں کہ آپ جو کچھ کہہ رہے ہیں وہ سچ ہے - لیکن آپکی بات عدالت اس حد تک تسلیم نہیں کریگی کہ وہ اسکی بنیاد پر کسی کو سزا دے سکے - اسکے لئے آپکو بہت ٹھوس ثبوت دینے ہونگے - صرف چند لڑکوں کی گفتگو سن کر آپ کسی پوری جماعت کو مورد الزام نہیں ٹہرا سکتے - اگر آپکو کبھی موقع ملے تو کسی عدالتی کاروائی کو جا کر دیکھیں کہ کسی پر الزام لگانا تو آسان ہے مگر اسکو مجرم ٹہرانا کتنا مشکل ہے - دوسری بات یہ ہے کہ اگر آپ کو یہ سب معلوم ہے تو ہماری خفیہ ایجنسیز کو کیوں نہیں معلوم اور وہ کیوں انکو نہیں پکڑتیں -
 

mrk123

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
lol Ali bhai itnay masoom aap ho nahi saktay ... apkay khayal main 24000 containers ka samaan eik hi ghar main chupaya ho ga ? ya karachi main mqm ka sirf eik hi karkun hai ? Aur ye jo saboot vaali diplomacy kar gaye hain aap , zabardast hai . Allah apko vo saboot na hi dikhaye .
Eik mazaydaar baat share karta hoon aap say . Main DJ college main parha ... meray school kay kaafi dost S.M science college main chalay gaye thay .. tau unkay sath hang out karnay jata tha . Jab S.M science jata aur koi jamaati pehchaan leta tau sab mil kar maartay that ke DJ say apmso ka banda aya hai ... wapis apnay college aata tau apmso waalay martay thay ke ye jamaation say mil kar aya hai ..hahaha. Bari maar khayee kuch din tak , phir eik letter apnay area kay jamaat ke ameer say aur eik letter unit incharge say lar kar gya ..dono nay ye likh kar dia tha kay iska koi talluk nahi hai kisi party say .
Kher , agar aap apnay eemaan say sach keh rahay hain ke apkay paas mqm ki dehshat gardi ka koi thos saboot nahi hai tau aap khush kismat hain , kionke vo saboot ankho say dekh kar kayee kayee raat neend nahi aati thi mujhay .... sirf bori ka mu khula hota tha ..us main eik chehra nazar ata tha jiskay mu par kapra bandha hota tha aur uskay sar main khoon , raat bhar main mitti ko laal kar chuka hota tha . Karachi ki gandi galion me 90s main ye kaam almost roz hi hota tha ...aur usi shaam footpath par beth kar mqm kay banday ma behan ki gaalian day kar ye baatain hath par hath maar kar bata rahay hotay thay kay kis banday ka kaam kesay aur kahan kia aur kahan la kar phenka ... ham sab nay jaan deni hai , pehlay Allah phir siasat .

Thats the problem with MQM - they dont own their wrongdoing. People grew up watching MQM's violent antics and most Karachiites experienced it too. But, MQM fails to admit to ANY killing ever. Thousands died in the spat with MQM-H - they admitted but seems that only MQM-A workers/sympathizers were killed in that dispute and no MQM-H worker/sympathizer was ever killed? When Amir Khan apologized to Shuhda's family - how about apologizing to people killed on MQM-H's side? I dont support MQM-H or MQM-A but Khudaraa - itna khula jhoot tu naa bolo.....MQM is a violent party, they will have to admit it and move on....only after they admit to this will there be any peace in Karachi.
 

A.Ali.T

Minister (2k+ posts)
You know that empty containers are a hot commodity and could be sold for a good price. They dont have to be sitting around somewhere. I was told by someone who worked in a clearing/forwarding company that they bought stolen empty containers then changed the paperwork to make them legit and resold them.


You are right, they can be sold in the market. But the point I am trying to make is that there has to be a big facility where these containers are brought and unloaded and you also need a big facility to store the unloaded goods. This entire operation cannot be undertaken in residential area. So my question is why Pakistani secrect agencies have failed to locate such a big facilty?
 

crowbar

Senator (1k+ posts)
yeh Baber Ghouri ke office ko her mahiney aag lag jati hay.wahi shipping ke minister te aor aj bhi un officially hey.kisi ko maloom hey ke kiya wajah ho sakti hay jo Baber ghouri ke daftar ke record ko hi aag lagti hay? any comments by MQmer.(omg)
 

mrk123

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
خرم بھائی نہ میں آپکو جانتا ہوں اور نہ ہی آپ مجھے جانتے ہیں مگر پھر بھی میں آپکو شک کا فائدہ دیتا ہوں اور آپکی بات کو من و عن تسلیم کرتا ہوں کہ آپ جو کچھ کہہ رہے ہیں وہ سچ ہے - لیکن آپکی بات عدالت اس حد تک تسلیم نہیں کریگی کہ وہ اسکی بنیاد پر کسی کو سزا دے سکے - اسکے لئے آپکو بہت ٹھوس ثبوت دینے ہونگے - صرف چند لڑکوں کی گفتگو سن کر آپ کسی پوری جماعت کو مورد الزام نہیں ٹہرا سکتے - اگر آپکو کبھی موقع ملے تو کسی عدالتی کاروائی کو جا کر دیکھیں کہ کسی پر الزام لگانا تو آسان ہے مگر اسکو مجرم ٹہرانا کتنا مشکل ہے - دوسری بات یہ ہے کہ اگر آپ کو یہ سب معلوم ہے تو ہماری خفیہ ایجنسیز کو کیوں نہیں معلوم اور وہ کیوں انکو نہیں پکڑتیں -

Janab, muhazzab societies mein agar itnay sangeen ilzaamaat pay darpay lagai jaatay hoon aik he party per or aisay bayanaat hoon uss party kay workers per tu woh party ko sir chupaaanay ki jagah naaa milay - magar afsoos kay iss Khudaa'daad mumlikat mein aiseee bayghairitee hai - jahan loog deedaa dilairee say jhoot boltay hain aur phir dhitaaaeee say mukartay hain - this is so amazing, in pakistan anything goes - in this country the most corrupt person in the history of Pak is the president and you talk about proving cases in Pakistan's courts? Where 350 police officers were killed in Karachi you talk about proving cases in the court? You think that these killers are idiots? you think that there will ever be witnesses? This is pakistan meray bhai and especially this is Karachi -Look at Kamran Khan - after couple of unbiased programs he came out openly buttering up to MQM in last night's program. For the courts to convict the police/prosecution has to do its part - they are incompetent, corrupt, indifferent(as they dont have any stake in the game as majority of them are from outside of Karachi) they dont have the will, wherewithal, or the backing of the administration or the government to fully prosecute these criminals in the courts. And what do you think that MQM is negotiating with PPP at this time - they are negotiating what PPP negotiated with Musharraf to let go of their criminal cases before they joined the government. This is Pakistan meray bhai - proving anything in the courts in Pakistan is elusive if not impossible.
 

mrk123

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
You are right, they can be sold in the market. But the point I am trying to make is that there has to be a big facility where these containers are brought and unloaded and you also need a big facility to store the unloaded goods. This entire operation cannot be undertaken in residential area. So my question is why Pakistani secrect agencies have failed to locate such a big facilty?

My question to you is where have pak's agencies been successful? what have they really accomplished? do you think that they IF they were as competent and willing - as you are giving them credit for - then we would have witnessed this much wanton killings in the streets of Karachi? We dont know - maybe the tally of the containers is for the last 10 years - who knows - I dont claim to know anything but there could be so many ways to dipose off things from the containers and the containers themselves.
 

A.Ali.T

Minister (2k+ posts)
Janab, muhazzab societies mein agar itnay sangeen ilzaamaat pay darpay lagai jaatay hoon aik he party per or aisay bayanaat hoon uss party kay workers per tu woh party ko sir chupaaanay ki jagah naaa milay - magar afsoos kay iss Khudaa'daad mumlikat mein aiseee bayghairitee hai - jahan loog deedaa dilairee say jhoot boltay hain aur phir dhitaaaeee say mukartay hain - this is so amazing, in pakistan anything goes - in this country the most corrupt person in the history of Pak is the president and you talk about proving cases in Pakistan's courts? Where 350 police officers were killed in Karachi you talk about proving cases in the court? You think that these killers are idiots? you think that there will ever be witnesses? This is pakistan meray bhai and especially this is Karachi -Look at Kamran Khan - after couple of unbiased programs he came out openly buttering up to MQM in last night's program. For the courts to convict the police/prosecution has to do its part - they are incompetent, corrupt, indifferent(as they dont have any stake in the game as majority of them are from outside of Karachi) they dont have the will, wherewithal, or the backing of the administration or the government to fully prosecute these criminals in the courts. And what do you think that MQM is negotiating with PPP at this time - they are negotiating what PPP negotiated with Musharraf to let go of their criminal cases before they joined the government. This is Pakistan meray bhai - proving anything in the courts in Pakistan is elusive if not impossible.


ٹیھک ہے پھر آپ ماوراۓ عدالت سبکو قتل کردیں - جو مزاج یار میں آے -
 

mrk123

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
ٹیھک ہے پھر آپ ماوراۓ عدالت سبکو قتل کردیں - جو مزاج یار میں آے -

I did not say to kill anyone extra judicially - what I am trying to say is that we should be smart enough to not invoke "innocent until proven guilty" in pakistan in general and karachi in particular. we are a unique case! in all honesty can anyone think that they witnessed a murder comitted by an MQM, ANP, PPP, ST, SSP, LJ, SM in karachi would go to court to bear witness? the simple answer is NO. then there will never be any proven case in Pakistan. that plus the incompetency and indifference and fear of revenge killings of the pakistan police/prosecution will make sure that criminals/killers are not prosecuted.