Doubting India's 'fastest-growing' GDP stats, economists devise their own : Ache Din

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Doubting India's 'fastest-growing' GDP stats, economists devise their own

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Vendors work as they wait for customers at a garment store in a market in Mumbai, India, February 4, 2016. ─ Reuters
Labourers works at the construction site of a residential building in Mumbai, India. ─ Reuters

Vendors work as they wait for customers at a garment store in a market in Mumbai, India, February 4, 2016. ─ ReutersLabourers works at the construction site of a residential building in Mumbai, India. ─ Reuters

MUMBAI: From rural motorbike sales to rail freight, economists and even the central bank are devising their own ways to measure Indian growth.
Their verdict? It's a good deal weaker than official data showing India to be the world's most dynamic big economy.

Doubts about the accuracy of India's gross domestic product (GDP) figures persist a year after its statisticians unveiled new readings they say better capture value addition down the goods and services supply chain.

Under the new methodology, economists expect India will report GDP growth of 7.3 per cent on Monday for the October-December quarter, according to a Reuters poll.

That's a touch slower than the previous quarter but comfortably surpasses the 6.8pc growth posted by China.

While that number appears strong, the lack of a historical series ─ still in the works ─ makes it hard to conclude that Asia's third-largest economy is doing well at a time when firms report poor sales, bank lending is slow and investment is weak.

"It doesn't feel like we are growing at 7-8 percent," said one official familiar with the Reserve Bank of India's research methods.

Like other economists, the RBI is now turning to hybrid models that mix elements of the old and new GDP methods to get a better feel for the underlying health of the economy.

The RBI looks at two-wheeler sales, car sales, rail freight, and consumer goods sales in rural areas "to get a better understanding of the ground realities", this official said.

The new data is a headache too for Finance Minister Arun Jaitley, who faces tough choices in his Feb 29 budget over whether to hike borrowing and spending to compensate for the sluggish private sector.

'India not the fastest growing economy in the world'

By its own proprietary measure, Ambit Capital estimates the economy may have grown an annualised 5 to 6pc in the October-December quarter.

“India is not the fastest growing economy in the world,” said Ritika Mankar Mukherjee, an Ambit economist in Mumbai.

"No matter how you cut it, while there are certain segments of the economy holding up such as IT or e-commerce, large parts of the economy are actually slowing down."

Economists have drawn on techniques used by colleagues covering China, where GDP figures are widely suspected to have been smoothed for years by its communist rulers to underpin popular faith in their economic stewardship.

Ambit looks at criteria such as motor vehicle sales, power demand, and imports of capital goods to determine the real rate of expansion.

Meanwhile, Citigroup has developed a heat map of 18 economic activities including two-wheeler sales, air traffic, and diesel sales.

Downbeat assessments of growth would more closely correspond with trends under the old GDP calculation method that until a year ago showed India experiencing the longest spell of sub-5pc growth in a quarter of a century.

The slowdown is especially pronounced in rural areas, which have suffered two consecutive dry years.

"Demand is very weak because farmers' income has been squeezed by drought," said a Mahindra and Mahindra tractor dealer in Aurangabad, in the state of Maharashtra, who reckons his sales are down more than 20pc from a year ago.

'New GDP data captures efficiency'

Ashish Kumar, who recently retired as the head of India's statistics office, says economists are using the wrong gauges to understand data that measures value addition.

"You have to understand that the new GDP data essentially captures efficiency," he told Reuters. "Comparing it with volume-based indicators would be a mistake."


RBI Governor Raghuram Rajan has also endorsed the new GDP readings, saying sliding input costs are offsetting shrinking corporate revenues and inflating value-addition.

Put more simply, sales may be slow but profits are rising.

Still, the statistics office is readying tools to better capture services sector data for GDP calculations and supplement it with employment generation data.

"Once we have all these data points, we will get a better picture," said Kumar.

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modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Guys please keep this headline in Mind with the above mentioned topic :biggthumpup::

[h=1]Kasab never asked for biryani, we fabricated it, public prosecutor Ujjwal Nikam says[/h]PTI | Mar 20, 2015, 11.00 PM IST


sed Ajmal Kasab's demand for mutton biryani in jail was just a myth and was "concocted" to stop an "emotional wave" which was being created in favour of the militant, claimed Ujjwal Nikam, public prosecutor in the case.

"Kasab never demanded biryani and was never served by the government. I concocted it just to break an emotional atmosphere which was taking shape in favour of Kasab during the trial of the case," Nikam told reporters on the sidelines of intern



http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...or-Ujjwal-Nikam-says/articleshow/46639254.cms
 

jimpack

Minister (2k+ posts)
$hut up you Pakistan and Muslim Hater ....comment on the story about the lies your perpetrating

You are biggest jokker on this forum. We don't fudge figures like your FM. You were stripped recently by IMF. Look at your backyard. Chala kauva hans ki chal.
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
He's a TRAINED hypocrite and his entire cabal on this forum. They cant digest truth out of their mouth and term is as "Hatred" [hilar] . Why dont you stop your media from spreading this "Hatred".

So if it comes from them its love, it gets posted on a Pakistani forum then its Hatred !

What a sour bunch of morons ...[hilar][hilar]
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
You do do data fudging ...here is your OWN MEDIA accepting it - Now EAT $hit !:biggthumpup:[hilar]

Forget the Data Fudge, Look at the Ground Reality

BY SITARAM YECHURY ON 12/12/20156 COMMENTS


The Turbine’s Not Turning. Credit: Ray Witlin/World Bank/Flickr CC BY-NC-ND 2.0
This week we once again heard the prime minister and finance minister speak, at a recent media house event in the capital, about how well the economy is doing. The truth is nothing can improve our economic fundamentals till public investment is sharply increased. Manipulating statistics may help manage global headlines for a while, but cannot strengthen our economic fundamentals.

We had the PM also talking highly of the ‘unconventional’ methods that are being adopted like shifting to LED bulbs, for instance. This, he says, is having a ‘profound impact’ on our economy. Such measures at best can make a difference at the margins, but cannot impact upon the economic fundamentals.

On the basis of a highly dubious data-series, India’s GDP growth rate has been inflated. Many commentators and economists continue to point out the deeply flawed statistical basis of such data projections. The RBI governorand the chief economic adviser have both independently gone on record to suggest that this data does not gel with the ground realities. The government maintains that the real rate of growth is currently 7.2% while thenominal growth rate is 5.2%. The nominal growth rate is calculated on the current price levels. The real growth rate is calculated by discounting the rate of inflation from the nominal growth rate. This year, the government has calculated inflation on the basis of the wholesale price index which, it claims, has been minus 2.2%. Therefore, the real growth rate is higher than the nominal growth rate.

The base doesn’t lie

But all calculations by corporate India regarding investment is based on the profitability that relates mainly to the nominal growth rate. Consequently, the latest statistics released by the Reserve Bank of India for July-September 2015 on the performance of 2,711 companies shows that the sales have declined by minus 4.6%, value of production by minus 5.6% and the expenditure on raw material and a sharply falling costs of power and fuel have shown a decline of minus 18.7% and minus 4.2% respectively. The corporates, hence, were maintaining a decent rise in net profits by squeezing their expenditures. This means that the down the line multiplier effect is sharply declining. The services sector, which contributes the maximum to our GDP, has shown a whopping 33.9% fall in net profit (RBI data for 450 companies in the services sector). Clearly, consumption has not picked up despite the RBI cutting the ‘repo rate’ by close to 125 basis points since the beginning of this year.

Leaving aside the government’s data manipulations, a fundamental economic indicator – Gross Domestic Capital Formation – has shown a sharp decline. This means investment in the economy is declining. Between November and October, the index of industrial production and the manufacturing growth rate have both seen a sharp decline. The gross non performing assets of banks grew to 4.8% (quarter ending September 2015) from 4.4% in the previous three months. Finance Minister Arun Jaitley has stated that the NPAs of the nationalised banks rose 25.1%. Clearly, the borrowing undertaken by the corporates has not translated into profitable investments. Further, banking credit to industry declined by nearly 5%, belying the claim of a sharp rise in manufacturing. Growth in manufacturing should reflect in the growth of bank credit but the reality is the other way around. All this means that employment generation in the industrial sector is on the decline.

The agrarian distress continues to deepen. The recent increases in Minimum Support Prices (MSP) are nowhere near the costs of production. The BJP during its election campaign in 2014 promised that it would peg the MSP to at least 150% of the costs of production. This has been betrayed.

Consequently, the increased debt burden is forcing our farmers to commit distress suicides. This is sharply aggravating the deterioration in living standards in rural India. The government may take satisfaction at media headlines that the number of ‘dollar billionaires’ in India is rising. Currently, hundred such individuals hold a combined asset value of over a third of our GDP. On the other hand, the Census data recently released shows that 90% of all families in India have an average monthly income of less than Rs. 10,000. Naturally, the level of domestic demand in the economy is sharply contracting.

Usually, the real growth rate is interpreted as an index for people’s livelihood. But when the GDP calculations are based on WPI and not the retail price index (RPI), such a conclusion cannot be drawn. The crucial determinant of people’s livelihood is the RPI. The relentless rise in the prices of all essential goods, especially food items continues. When the international price of oil have sharply fallen (to nearly one-third of its levels two years ago), the retail prices of diesel, petrol, kerosene and cooking gas in India have been raised sharply and no benefits have been passed on to the people. Newer levies like the cess for ‘Swachh Bharat’ (and the rumoured cess on skill development) will only add to the existing burden. These come on top of the already existing cess for road development and separately for education. Remember, the revenue from such cesses are not shared with the states. The Central government is clearly augmenting its revenues in order to show a reduction in the fiscal deficit prior to the 2016 budget.

Corporate pampering

Phenomenal relief continues to be provided to corporate India through tax concessions on the pretext that these are ‘incentives’ for greater investment. On the other hand, even the meagre subsidies for the poor are cut as they are considered as “burdens on the economy”. But such incentives have not produced any positive results reflected in the data on industrial production. Our exports have fallen drastically. FDI avenues have been recklessly enlarged, without checking whether they will bring in investments that will increase the productive capacities of the Indian economy, skills, technology and jobs. FDI is being permitted to maximise profits, exploiting India’s mineral, natural resources and cheap labour, with no corresponding benefits to the Indian economy and people.
Instead of such concessions to India Inc., a huge amount of revenue would be available for new and high doses of public investment if all legitimate taxes are collected. Such public investment is the only way, through which all developed economies in the world, from the United States to China, have built their infrastructure, both economic and social. If this were to be done, then India’s woeful infrastructure situation would be considerably improved. Such public investment would generate large scale new employment. This, in turn, would put purchasing power in the hands of the people thus, expanding our domestic demand – the surest impetus for manufacturing and industrial growth.
This is the new ‘New Deal’ that India badly needs. But the Modi government doesn’t seem to be interested in improving our economic fundamentals or in people’s livelihood. It’s only pre-occupation appears to be media headline management – occupying people’s attention by moving from one event to another while relentlessly pursuing the real RSS agenda of sharpening communal polarisation to transform our secular democratic republic into their version of a rabidly intolerant fascistic ‘Hindu Rashtra’.

Sitaram Yechury is leader of the Communist Party of India (Marxist) and a Member of the Rajya Sabha

http://thewire.in/2015/12/12/forget-the-data-fudge-look-at-the-ground-reality-17182/

You are biggest jokker on this forum. We don't fudge figures like your FM. You were stripped recently by IMF. Look at your backyard. Chala kauva hans ki chal.
 

kakajee

Minister (2k+ posts)
Indian economy no matter how fabricated is it, is still much much better than Pakistan's . It growing at a very fast pace.

Where is Pakistan in it? Last time checked, it was the top most in the list of most malnutrition countries
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
You cannot compare a country deliberately surrounded by War to a country in peacetime. The comparison would have mattered if India would have had a neighbout like afghanistan.

They are lucky they have us, which is why they grew slightly better as we continued to suffer.

But their poverty has actually gone up ..if you read the stats ...here is a news excerpt from the Indian media :


Unequal India

The Indian growth story is marred by the country's shameful performance in human development. Amartya Sen and Jean Dreze explain why in a new book.




S. Prasannarajan

July 5, 2013 | UPDATED 16:05 IST


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Here come the party poopers, armed with arguments mined from the twilight zones of freedom. The timing of the spoilers' entry is perfect: The cheerleaders of India Ascending, all growth fanatics, are too optimistic to be dispirited by the occasional fall of the rupee or the momentary slowdown of the economy.

India is here to stay as a stable marketplace with vanishing boundaries and as the most enduring democracy in South Asia. It is not that the party is entirely out of place. In more than six decades of national independence, India has emerged as a reassuring example of freedom in a region otherwise known for less evolved civil societies; India has also bucked the post-colonial trend of the hero of liberation turning into a cult of autocracy.

The inaugural years of nation-building, though, were an exercise in Sovietisation with a dash of tentative capitalism; Nehru's New Man of Scientific Temperament was sustained by a socialist regime that spent all its resources on creating a mammoth public sector. It took more than four decades and the courage of a few men in power for India to break out of the comfort zone of socialism and stop looking at the world through the prism of Cold War. The late awakening and an accelerated growth rate, an aspirational middle class and an ambitious entrepreneurial class-the familiar India Stagnant has been replaced by India Rising, as if the world was waiting for the dawn of this democratic counterpoint to the Chinese superpower. It is this velvet narrative of inevitable glory that Nobel Laureate Amartya Sen and his disciple Jean Dreze, two finest minds in development economics, debunk in An Uncertain Glory: India and Its Contradictions, a mandatory reading for every Indian politician in power.


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Sen and Dreze are too sophisticated in their argument to be peddlers of the bestselling Wretched India in the marketplace of ideas. They have not abandoned hope; their problem is with the management of democracy. You just can't disagree with them when they state the obvious at the outset: "The achievement of high growth must ultimately be judged in terms of the impact of that economic growth on the lives and freedoms of the people." This is vintage Sen: Development is equal to freedom is equal to social justice. The great Indian growth story, as told by the media as well as the apostles of free market, is a biased text, "making the country look more and more like islands of California in a sea of sub-Saharan Africa". That is why we can't miss glimpses of Darfur in the dusk lands that lie beyond the much advertised shrines of globalised India: There is a Bastar for every Bangalore. Something must have gone terribly wrong in the last six decades of Indian democracy, for our record in the social sector-be it healthcare, education or gender justice-is dismal; we are even worse than Bangladesh in living standards.

The comparison with China is inevitable. The People's Republic, despite being the other superpower on the planet, is not exactly a republic of people's power; it is still an unequal country, and, with due apologies to Chairman Mao, China is no longer the countryside. Beginning with Deng Xiaoping's modernisation, the social capitalists of Zhongnanhai have achieved something the democrats of Delhi could not: China has taken greater strides in social development along with its achievements in physical infrastructure. Does it mean that democracy is bad for development? That argument, fashionable during the heyday of the so-called tiger economies of Southeast Asia, has already been made redundant by history: Western Europe or America does not owe its progress to any benevolent dictator; North Korea or Cuba has not become another China either.

The Indian failure in social infrastructure is not a democratic failure. It is a failure of politics, policies and priorities of governance-a failure in integrating growth with development. The authors are certainly not fans of Friedrich Hayek: "We are bombarded by deafening rhetoric on 'the priority of economic growth', with little thought given to health, education and other aspects of the formation of human capabilities-reflecting a disarmingly foggy understanding of how long-run growth and participatory development can actually be achieved and sustained."

Sen and Dreze-the latter till 2011 was part of the brain trust behind the UPA Government's social agenda-challenge free marketers who believe that the poor will inevitably fall into the magnetic field of globalisation. An Uncertain Glory rejects it as a fallacy perpetuated by the elite, who are not only the sole beneficiaries of development but leaders of the protest against inequalities as well. This rage against the privileged may have a leftist flavour, but the social realism of the Indian story, as told in this book, is so stark that we don't mind. What we should mind is the fact that this book would have perhaps remained unwritten if the government under an economist prime minister had not wasted almost ten years of the nation's life. The unequal Republic needs a dose of compassionate economics.EXCERPTS

AN UNFINISHED AGENDA

The record of India's achievements is not easy to dismiss, but is that the whole story? An agreeable picture of a country in a rapid march forward towards development with justice would definitely not be a comprehensive, or even a balanced, account of what has been actually happening: indeed far from it. There are many major shortcomings and breakdowns-some of them gigantic-even though privileged groups, and especially the celebratory media, are often inclined to overlook them. We also have to recognize with clarity that the neglect-or minimizing-of these problems in public reasoning is tremendously costly, since democratic rectification depends crucially on public understanding and widespread discussion of the serious problems that have to be addressed.



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India lags behind even Bangladesh in educating the Girl child.


Since India's recent record of fast economic growth is often celebrated, with good reason, it is extremely important to point to the fact that the societal reach of economic progress in India has been remarkably limited. It is not only that the income distribution has been getting more unequal in recent years (a characteristic that India shares with China), but also that the rapid rise in real wages in China from which the working classes have benefited greatly is not matched at all by India's relatively stagnant real wages. No less importantly, the public revenue generated by rapid economic growth has not been used to expand the social and physical infrastructure in a determined and well-planned way (in this India is left far behind by China). There is also a continued lack of essential social services (from schooling and health care to the provision of safe water and drainage) for a huge part of the population. While India has been overtaking other countries in the progress of its real income, it has been overtaken in terms of social indicators by many of these countries, even within the region of South Asia itself.

Even though India has significantly caught up with China in terms of GDP growth, its progress has been very much slower than China's in indicators such as longevity, literacy, child undernourishment and maternal mortality. In South Asia itself, the much poorer economy of Bangladesh has caught up with and overtaken India in terms of many social indicators (including life expectancy, immunization of children, infant mortality, child undernourishment and girls' schooling). Even Nepal has been catching up, to the extent that it now has many social indicators similar to India's, in spite of its per capita GDP being just about one third. Whereas twenty years ago India generally had the second-best social indicators among the six South Asian countries (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal and Bhutan), it now looks second worst (ahead only of problem-ridden Pakistan). India has been climbing up the ladder of per capita income while slipping down the slope of social indicators.

Given the objectives of development and equity that India championed as it fought for independence, there is surely a huge failure here. It is not only that the new income generated by economic growth has been very unequally shared, but also that the resources newly created have not been utilized adequately to relieve the gigantic social deprivations of the underdogs of society. Democratic pressures have gone in other directions rather than rectifying the major injustices that characterize contemporary India. There is work to be done both in making good use of the fruits of economic growth to enhance the living conditions of the people and in reducing the massive inequalities that characterize India's economy and society. Maintaining-and if possible increasing-the pace of economic growth will have to be only one part of a larger-much larger-commitment.


http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...elopment-amartya-sen-jean-dreze/1/287087.html



Indian economy no matter how fabricated is it, is still much much better than Pakistan's . It growing at a very fast pace.

Where is Pakistan in it? Last time checked, it was the top most in the list of most malnutrition countries
 

h.a.q.

MPA (400+ posts)
data stats propaganda :

Alright here is my reply to the topic post, as repeat offender in repost of SAME story over & over again for the falsified analysis by jealous Indianized librarian sitting somewhere reading well paid job somewhere in west, using an Ms excel worksheet & dreaming hallucinating of a "7.5%" growth in Comparison to China hard earned investment to building countless cities nameless mega shopping malls.. Loops did I say to much?

In Endia (Where E stands for Mi6 British English agents) in shopping malls were built to such extent as inside Chine south eastern province Shiangzo than Endian women would constantly get raped yes no ??
Now back to analyzing the topic factuality replies of IMF the word I should be replaced by Indian controlled monetary fund etc!

If a librarian sees in DA library a rogue statistic? What she does??? She gets up from her chair upon collecting pay check per pay check per month for being whistle blower at DA library for counting the wrong statistic! First he/she read wrong stats figure compared to wrong related attribute & than analyzed the wrong chart & making positive conclusion in patriotic symbolism, see where the big picture is heading.

So she returns after seeing the wrong statistic & edits the change when there isd absolutely nothing to do in a boring library with repeat stats coming n out for her view.

Therefore we analyze the falsification of Endia oops Media ..i am rhyming..in month of February..China will fail to Endia maybe but not India. Loads of rubbish by IMF or whatever!!!
 
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