Davis case: updates thread

[atensari]

Re: Intelligence assets: After Davis arrest, US operatives leaving Pakistan

 

[adnan_younus]

Re: Ager mushraf ki hakumat hoti to raymond davis ko phansi lag chuki hoti?

i know hundreds of ppl personally from all over the world what they think abt him.. not just bloggers.... no one has won on face to face argument basis with me at least be it on steel mills issue, aafia sidiqui , lal masjid. missing persons.... as most of them dont know facts; dnt have the capcaity to understand facts or just support because they are too jazbati at media news and loose the sense of thinking... i repeat.. every musharraf hater in the end is empty of factual arguments and jsut says its his personal choice or agrees with me that he is the best electable option at hand

kyun mr. u can see the replies . u support musharaf very much . can u see what people think about him

 

[Saboo]

Re: Ager mushraf ki hakumat hoti to raymond davis ko phansi lag chuki hoti?

Zalim log of Lahore have a 'pinjra' ready for this mian mithu.

 

[c4cheema]

Re: Ager mushraf ki hakumat hoti to raymond davis ko phansi lag chuki hoti?

i know hundreds of ppl personally from all over the world what they think abt him..

O thanks you spoke truth ...

 

[adnan_younus]

Re: Ager mushraf ki hakumat hoti to raymond davis ko phansi lag chuki hoti?

stuck with "jo kehta hai wohi hota hai" syndrome

O thanks you spoke truth ...

 

[simple_and_peacefull]

i would suggest that ... we all post any update on Davis case in this thread. it will help keep track about all updates at one place till end of case.

let me know what you all think this thread idea..

 

[simple_and_peacefull]

Davis case: petition filed to make US govt party

http://www.thenews.com.pk/NewsDetail.aspx?ID=11904

Updated at 1710 PST Tuesday, March 01, 2011



LAHORE: Petition has been filed in Lahore High Court to make US government party in Raymond Davis case seeking to prevent the case from being heard in the International Court of Justice (ICJ).

Lawyer Azhar Siddique Tuesday filed three different petitions in this regard. First petition sought to include US government as a party in a case through its ambassador in Pakistan. Second petition requested that the case is pending in Pakistani court so it should be prevented from being heard in ICJ. Third petition asked the court to make newspapers' record, claiming Davis a US spy, the part of the court's record.

 

[Raaz]

بغداد: عراقی عدالت سے برطانوی کنٹریکٹر کو 20 &

لاہور میں دو پاکستانیوں کے قاتل ریمنڈ ڈیوس کیلئے امریکا سفارتی استثناء کے نام پر پاکستانی حکومت پر دباؤ ڈال رہا ہے تاہم عراق کی ایک عدالت نے ایسے ہی ایک مقدمے میں استثناء نہ مانتے ہوئے برطانوی کنٹریکٹر کو بیس سال قید کی سزا سنا دی
پیر کے روز سنایا جانے والا فیصلہ صدام حسین کی اقتدار سے علیحدگی کے بعد عراق میں کسی بھی مغربی ممالک کے شہری کو سزا دیئے جانے کا پہلا واقعہ ہے۔ ڈینئل فٹزسیمون نے بغداد میں اگست دو ہزار نو میں نشے کی حالت میں اپنے ساتھی دو کنٹریکٹروں کو قتل کردیا تھا جن کا تعلق برطانیہ اور آسٹریلیا سے تھا۔ ڈینئل کا اپنے دفاع میں کہنا تھا کہ اسے استثناء حاصل ہے اور اس نے یہ قتل اپنے دفاع میں کئے۔ عدالت نے استثناء کا دعویٰ مسترد کردیا تاہم نفسیاتی رپورٹ کے مطالعہ کے بعد ڈینئل کو سزائے موت کی بجائے بیس سال قید کی سزا سنائی۔ ادھر برطانوی سفارتخانے کا کہنا ہے کہ اپیل کے فیصلے کے بعد ہی ڈینئل کو برطانیہ منتقل کرنے کے بارے میں غور ہوگا۔ ​

http://dunyanews.tv/index.php?key=Q2F0SUQ9MyNOaWQ9MjEyOTUjTGFuZz11cmR1

 

[simple_and_peacefull]

Pak offered US Raymond’s freedom for Aafia release: report
Updated at 0300 PST Tuesday, March 01, 2011

WASHIGNTON: A US television has claimed that Pakistan government had moved US administration to release Dr. Aafia Siddiqui in exchange of Raymond Davis, Geo News reported late Monday.

However, the US had turned down Pakistani offer, the television said in its report.

According to details, a US television’s report has said that Pakistan government had asked Obama administration that a US contractor and a double murder suspect, Raymond Davis could be released if Pakistani scientist detained in US, Dr. Aafia Siddiqui is set free.

But Washington had turned down Islamabad’s demand, the report said.

That television report, citing a US official, said that in its demand, Pakistani government had asserted that it wanted Dr. Aafia Siddiqui to complete her remaining sentence in Pakistan.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/NewsDetail.aspx?ID=11870

 

[simple_and_peacefull]

Re: بغداد: عراقی عدالت سے برطانوی کنٹریکٹر کو

http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/mar2011-daily/01-03-2011/u64090.htm

Updated at: 1810 |

 

[saliaz]

agree...................

 

[AzadPakistan]

Can you please next time also tell us which news channel or newpaper actually did this. I can understand when the news says that unknown source but if it is in media than we should make sure that the media outlet is mentioned our these threads.

Pak offered US Raymond’s freedom for Aafia release: report
Updated at 0300 PST Tuesday, March 01, 2011

WASHIGNTON: A US television has claimed that Pakistan government had moved US administration to release Dr. Aafia Siddiqui in exchange of Raymond Davis, Geo News reported late Monday.

However, the US had turned down Pakistani offer, the television said in its report.

According to details, a US television’s report has said that Pakistan government had asked Obama administration that a US contractor and a double murder suspect, Raymond Davis could be released if Pakistani scientist detained in US, Dr. Aafia Siddiqui is set free.

But Washington had turned down Islamabad’s demand, the report said.

That television report, citing a US official, said that in its demand, Pakistani government had asserted that it wanted Dr. Aafia Siddiqui to complete her remaining sentence in Pakistan.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/NewsDetail.aspx?ID=11870

 

[Saboo]

Re: Ager mushraf ki hakumat hoti to raymond davis ko phansi lag chuki hoti?

stuck with "jo kehta hai wohi hota hai" syndrome

kuch log to aapko 'mushkee' keh ruhay thay!
Kia woh bhi ab mushkee ho gaaye?

 

[US State Department]

Re: Intelligence assets: After Davis arrest, US operatives leaving Pakistan

Fawad Digital Outreach Team US State Department​

يہ بات ناقابل يقين ہے کہ پاکستانی بلاگز اور فورمز پر بعض راۓ دہندگان يہ مضحکہ خيز تھیوری پيش کر رہے ہيں کہ ايک امريکی سفارت کار اپنی حکومت کے ايما پر طالبان کی ايٹمی ہتھياروں تک رسائ کو يقينی بنانے کے عمل ميں ملوث ہو سکتا ہے۔ ميں نے کچھ ٹی وی ٹاک شوز بھی ديکھے ہیں جو اس بے بنياد کہانی کی تشہير کر رہے ہيں جس کی بنیاد ای يو ٹائمز نامی ويب سائٹ پر شائع ہونے والی ايک رپورٹ ہے۔​

کوئ بھی شخص جو خبر کو رپورٹ کرنے کے حوالے سے اس ويب سائٹ کے پس منظر، صحافتی ساکھ اور تشخص کے حوالے سے معلومات رکھتا ہے، وہ اس بات کی گواہی دے گا کہ اس ويب سائٹ پر پيش کيا جانے والا کچھ مواد سنی سنائ باتوں، افواہوں اور ناقابل يقين منظرنامے پر مبنی تخلياتی کہانيوں کی بنياد پر ہوتا ہے۔​

يہاں ميں کچھ حاليہ مثاليں پيش کر رہا ہوں جہاں اس ويب سائٹ نے فلمی طرز پر بغير کسی ثبوت اور مواد کے ايسے حالات کی منظر کشی کی جو بالآخر غلط ثابت ہوۓ۔​

نومبر 28 2009 کو اس ويب سائٹ پر يہ دعوی کيا گيا کہ امريکی صدر اوبامہ نے ايک فوری حکم جاری کيا جس کے تحت جنوری 30 2010 تک امريکی افواج کی تعداد ميں ايک ملين کا اضافہ کر ديا جاۓ گا جس کی وجہ يہ بيان کی گئ کہ موسم سرما کے آخر تک امريکہ ميں خانہ جنگی کا آغاز ناگزير ہو جاۓ گا۔ ايسا کوئ واقعہ رونما نہيں ہوا۔​

http://current.com/1e97a4c​

مئ 24 2010 کو اسی ويب سائٹ نے بی پی آئل کمپنی کے تيل کے کنويں سے متعلق حادثے کے حوالے سے عوامی جذبات کو استعمال کرتے ہوۓ يہ دعوی کيا کہ تيل کے بہاؤ کا يہ حادثہ انسانی تاريخ کا سب سے بڑا حادثہ بننے والا ہے جس کے نتيجے ميں آدھے سے زيادہ براعظم امريکہ مکمل تبائ کا شکار ہو جاۓ گا۔ ہم جانتے ہیں کہ يہ دعوی بھی محض سائنس فکشن ہی ثابت ہوا۔​

http://www.eutimes.net/2010/05/toxic-oil-spill-rains-warned-could-destroy-north-america/​

اپريل 6 2010 کو اپنے مخصوص طرز رپورٹنگ کے عين مطابق اس ويب سائٹ پر دعوی کيا گيا کہ امريکی حکومت اپنی 11 مغربی رياستوں ميں 300 سے زائد "ڈيتھ کيمپ" تعمير کروا رہی ہے۔ اسی رپورٹ ميں يہ بھی کہا گيا کا صدر اوبامہ کی وزارت داخلہ 13 ملين ايکٹر زمين اپنے ہی لوگوں سے چھيننے کا منصوبہ بنا رہی ہے۔ يہ بھی بالکل غلط ثابت ہوا۔​

http://www.eutimes.net/2010/04/death-camps-warned-being-prepared-as-millions-in-us-left-hopeless/​

جون 3 2010 کو ويب سائٹ پر يہ دعوی کيا گيا کہ صدر اوبامہ سال 2012 سے قبل ہی اپنی صدرات سے مستعفی ہو جائيں گے۔ اس میں بھی کوئ صداقت نہيں ہے۔​

http://www.eutimes.net/2010/06/the-coming-resignation-of-barack-obama/​

يہ کچھ ايسی مثاليں ہیں جن سے آپ کو اس ويب سائٹ پر کی جانے والی رپورٹنگ کی نوعيت کا اندازہ ہو جاۓ گا۔ ايک ايسی ويب سائٹ جو بظاہر يورپ کی خبروں کے حوالے سے اپنی شناخت ظاہر کرتی ہے، حيرت انگيز بات يہ ہے کہ اس پر شا‏ئع ہونے والی اکثر خبروں کا يورپ سے کوئ تعلق نہيں ہے بلکہ امريکہ سے متعلق واقعات پر زيادہ فوکس کيا جاتا ہے۔ اگر اس ويب سائٹ کے عنوان سے ہٹ کر اس کی تفصيل والے سيکشن کا جائزہ ليں تو يہ حقيقت آشکار ہوتی ہے کہ يہاں بھی کوئ خاطر خواہ معلومات موجود نہیں ہيں۔ نہ ہی عملے کے ناموں کا کوئ ذکر ہے، نہ ہی کوئ ايڈريس اور نہ ہی ويب سائٹ کی کوئ تاريخ۔ ويب سائٹ کے اپنے دعوے کے مطابق يہ ايک عالمی اخبار ہے جو يورپ ميں موجود ہے ليکن اس کی فعال شاخيں امريکہ اور کينيڈا ميں ہيں۔ دلچسپ بات يہ ہے کہ اس ويب سائٹ کا ڈومين بھی يورپ ميں رجسٹرڈ نہیں ہے۔​

اس ساری معلومات اور پس منظر کو مد نظر رکھتے ہوۓ کيا کوئ بھی محترم صحافی يا ميڈيا سے متعلق کوئ شخص کسی تعميری بحث ميں اس ويب سائٹ کی کسی رپورٹ کا ريفرنس يا حوالہ پيش کرنے کا جواز رکھتا ہے؟​

فواد ڈيجيٹل آؤٹ ريچ ٹيم يو ايس اسٹيٹ ڈيپارٹمينٹ​

[email protected]​

www.state.gov​

http://www.facebook.com/pages/USUrduDigitalOutreach/122365134490320?v=wall​

 

[biomat]

Re: Intelligence assets: After Davis arrest, US operatives leaving Pakistan

Dear Fawad
Assalam-o-alaikum
can you reply please. WHY PRESIDENT OBAMA DECLARED RAYMOND DAVIS AS DIPLOMAT & CLAIMED DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY???
Just for knowledge, please dont take me wrong..
Also dont reply with usual response, show us the authentic proofs.
Jaza-k-ALLAH

 

[simple_and_peacefull]

dear azadPakistan,

the source link i had given below. its newspaper source duty give complete details. the newspaper is one top newspaper in country. its on gve tv also.

 

[crankthskunk]

Case building up, Davis involved subversive activities in Pakistan. Rehman Malik and Zardari should be tried for treason

Davis Arrest Throws US Undercover Campaign in Pakistan into Disarray

Tue, 03/01/2011 - 13:46 Anonymous
by:
Dave Lindorff

The ongoing case of Raymond Davis, the CIA contractor facing murder charges in Lahore for the execution-style slaying of two apparent agents of Pakistans Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency, is apparently leading to a roll-back of Americas espionage and Special Operations activities in Pakistan.
A few days ago, Pakistans Interior Department, which is reportedly conducting a careful review of the hundreds of private contractors who flooded into Pakistan over the last two years, many with diplomatic passports, and many others, like Davis, linked to shady security firms, arrested an American security contractor named Aaron DeHaven, a Virginia native who claims to work for a company called Catalyst Services LLC.

The Catalyst Services LLC website describes the company, with offices in Afghanistan, Dubai, the US and Pakistan, as having experience in logistics, operations, security and finance, and as having a staff led by individuals who have been involved in some of the most significant events of the last 20 years, including the break-up of the Soviet Union, the US effort in Somalia, and the Global War on Terror.

DeHaven is being held on a 14-day remand, charged with overstaying his visa and with living in an unauthorized area.

Meanwhile, the English-language Express Tribune in Pakistanreports that according to ISI sources, 30 suspected US operatives in Pakistan have suspended their operations in the country, while 12 have fled the country.
The paper quotes the Pakistan Foreign Office as saying that 851 Americans claiming diplomatic immunity are currently in Pakistan, 297 of whom are not working in any diplomatic capacity. The paper says that the countrys Interior Department claims that 414 of the total are non-diplomats. The majority of these American operatives, the paper says, are located in Islamabad (where the US is building a huge fortress-like embassy reminiscent of the one in Baghdad), with the others in Karachi, Lahore and Peshawar. Most are suspected of being involved in covert missions that report to the US Joint Special Operations Command, with many suspected of being active-duty Special Forces personnel from the Armys Delta Force. (The website of the JSOC says its responsibility is synchronizing Department of Defense plans against global terrorist networks and, as directed, conducting global operations.)

Aaron DeHaven, a US "security" contractor arrested and held by Pakistani authorities.

As I reported earlier, both Pakistani and Indian news organizations are claiming, based upon intelligence sources, that Davis was involved in not just intelligence work, but in orchestrating terrorist activity by both the Pakistani Taliban and the terrorist organization Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, which has been linked to both the assassination of Benezir Bhutto and the capture and beheading of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl. Multiple calls to members of both groups were found by police on some of the cell phones found on Davis and in his car when he was arrested in Lahore.

It is unclear how far the blow-up in Pakistan over the exposure of Americas role in stirring up unrest in that country will go. Clearly, the ISI and the Pakistani military have long had their own complicated relationship with the Pakistani Taliban, and much of the current anger in both the ISI and the military has to do with the US being found to be working behind their backs, including in its contact with those groups.

But things have been complicated too by mounting public outrage over Daviss brazen slaughter of the two Pakistanis, who reportedly were tailing him because of concerns about the nature of his activities, and who reportedly were both shot in the back. This public outrage has been further stoked by both a subsequent suicide by the 18-year-old bride of one of the victims, and by the death of an innocent bystander mowed down by a second vehicle carrying several more US contractors which sped to Davis in response to his call for assistance following the shooting. That vehicle, after running down the bystander, raced to sanctuary at the US Consulate. The men in the car, never identified by the consulate, were spirited out of the country by the US so they could avoid arrest.

Further complicating matters for the US, the province of Punjab, of which Lahore is the capital, is run by the opposition party, headed by former Pakistani prime minister Nawaz Sharif. Sharif, who still has presidential aspirations, has no incentive at all to make things easy for the countrys ruling party by letting Davis go. Indeed, with public opinion running almost 100% in favor of trying Davis for murder, Sharif can only gain by insisting that the court system have the final say.

Pakistans central government, led by President Asif Ali Zardari, clearly wants to put the Davis incident behind it by having him declared to have diplomatic immunity. Foreign Officials allege that Zardari pressured the Foreign Office in early February to backdate a letter identifying Davis as being a member of staff of the US Embassy in Islamabad, which would have afforded him such immunity from prosecution. But the countrys foreign minister at that time, Shah Mehmood Qureshi, reportedly refused, saying, "On the basis of the official record and the advice given to me by the technocrats and experts of the Foreign Office, I could not certify him (Raymond Davis) as a diplomat. The kind of by blanket immunity Washington is pressing for Davis, is not endorsed by the official record of the Foreign Ministry.

He has subsequently been ousted and replaced by Zardari.
The reality is that the US, which as required, on Jan. 25 submitted to the Foreign Office its annual list of those employees of the US Embassy whom it classified as diplomats warranting diplomatic immunity. The list had 48 names on it, and did not include Davis. Only after Daviss Jan. 27 shooting of the two Pakistani motorcyclists, on Jan. 28, did the US submit a revised list, to which Daviss name had been appended.

The US initially said Davis was an employee of the Lahore Consulate, and Davis himself told arresting police officers that he was a contractor working out of the Lahore Consulate, a role that would not afford him any diplomatic immunity, as consular workers, under the 1963 Vienna Convention on Consular Relations only receive immunity for their official duties, and in any case lose even that limited immunity in the case of grave crimes.

His current legal problems, and the public demand that he be tried (and then hanged) for the killings, has definitely led to a reduction in US undercover operations in Pakistan, and to a pullback of at least some of the Special Forces personnel operating there. It will take considerable finesse for the US and the Zardari government to put the the relationship back together--if the Pakistani military and the ISI even want to restore it--finesse that the US has not been very good at displaying.

So far, in fact, the US response to Daviss arrest has been to bluntly and publicly threaten Pakistan with a loss of foreign and military aid--a threat that seems empty given the American need for Pakistani assistance in supplying its military in Afghanistan, and its need for at least covert permission to continue sending Predator and Reaper drones across the border to attack Taliban suspects in the tribal border areas. US bluster, and some clumsy efforts to forge records that would purport to show Davis had diplomatic immunity--all widely exposed in the Pakistani media--have only served to further stoke public outrage.

Meanwhile, local authorities in Lahore at the prison where Davis is being held, are so worried that the US may try to have him killed to prevent him from spilling the beans about his activities--for example explaining why the camera he was carrying held photographs of Pakistani military installations as well as of mosques, madrassas and other schools--that they have reportedly posted special guards (unarmed as an added precaution) around his cell, and have been monitoring his food. Davis was reportedly even denied a box of chocolates sent by the US Consulate in Lahore, for fear it might have been laced with poison.

http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/node/487

 

[gazoomartian]

Re: Ager mushraf ki hakumat hoti to raymond davis ko phansi lag chuki hoti?

lagta he aapka dimaagh kuch ziada hi kharaab ho gaya he ............suni sunaee batain le kr ilzaam mat lagain agar itni umer me kuch seekha he to........i can see in pakistan there are many people who still remember musharraf............and that was a news for me.................only those who are media influenced and are fed by media propaganda are criticizing musharraf..........

bcs they are a part of this propaganda compaign.

i was in pakistan in musharraf's and now i am back in zardari's time i can feel the difference.............just come to pakistan and see the reality yourself.

reality is that it is in interest of most political parties to criticize musharraf in his absence .........

bcs they have no vision no solution to these problems.

The reason why a stupid polition like nawaz sharif is leaving PPPP is that he can see that he was also loosing support of people and in order to stop people from leaving him and joining imran khan and pervez musharraf he is now projecting differences with the government.

yeh lo ji, ub mundarja zail bhi propaganda hogaya:

1. Selling or turning over Afia to yahood. kya tum dekhtey nahi key Davis key terrorist honey key bawajood US is trying to get him out where Aafia was just accused and Mush handed her over

2. Drone attacks bhi eik propaganda bana dya aap ney

3. suicide bombing bhi propaganda.

4. Leasing of Baluchistan coast to yahood for a fistful of dollar bhi eik propaganda hai

5. aur allah janey kya kya kia hai Meer Mush ney.

Granted that drone attacks, suicide bombing, etc has increased 10 folds in PPP days, but do not forget that foundation of killing fields in Pak was laid by Mush. PPP is to be blamed for not containing it and for being agents of the enemy. But the initial responsibility Mush per hi hai

siasat key brothers and sisters, please read above and comment if you think its really my dimagh that is kharan or is it the dimaghs of Mush supporters??

samar chalo jaldi sey ub koney mein ja kar murgha bano, fata fat. 10 min tuk murgha baney raho

 

[gazoomartian]

i would suggest that ... we all post any update on Davis case in this thread. it will help keep track about all updates at one place till end of case.

let me know what you all think this thread idea..

(clap)(clap)(clap)

 

[Adeel]

i would suggest that ... we all post any update on Davis case in this thread. it will help keep track about all updates at one place till end of case.

let me know what you all think this thread idea..

Excellent Idea!

Instead of making 100s of threads on the same topic. That looses everyones interest. I am going to pull out main threads and mergethem all in here.