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Davis issue a complex court case: FO
ISLAMABAD: Sources at Pakistan Foreign office termed as complicated court case the issue of Raymond Davis, the US national and murderer of two Pakistanis in Lahore who is presently in the custody of law enforcing authorities in Pakistan, Geo News reported Saturday.
According to Blue Book, only the diplomatic card issued by Pakistans Foreign Office confirms whether someone is a diplomat.
Sources said that the case of Raymond Davis is a complicated one because in this case not only laws of the land are significant but the international and US laws also have importance. The definition of immunity is not the same in different countries, the source added.
A total of four cases relating to diplomatic issues are in progress in a Lahores court. Para-wise replies are in the process of being made for these cases which will be sent to Law Division.
The sources said that there was no report from Japan of any Pakistanis going missing.
http://www.geo.tv/important_events/2011/raymond_davis/pages/english_news.asp
According to Blue Book, only the diplomatic card issued by Pakistans Foreign Office confirms whether someone is a diplomat.
Sources said that the case of Raymond Davis is a complicated one because in this case not only laws of the land are significant but the international and US laws also have importance. The definition of immunity is not the same in different countries, the source added.
A total of four cases relating to diplomatic issues are in progress in a Lahores court. Para-wise replies are in the process of being made for these cases which will be sent to Law Division.
The sources said that there was no report from Japan of any Pakistanis going missing.
http://www.geo.tv/important_events/2011/raymond_davis/pages/english_news.asp
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Davis issue Pakistan has not yet approached Saudi Arabia
by Muhammad Saleh Zaafir
ISLAMABAD: Saudi Arabia is prepared to play a role in the settlement of the complex case of US killer Raymond Davis who is involved in the double murder of two innocent youngsters of Lahore and currently behind the bar in the city prison.
Saudi willingness is available in the backdrop of difficulties being faced by Pakistan in the matter but Islamabad has not asked Riyadh to use its good offices in this regard as yet.
Highly placed diplomatic sources told The News here Wednesday that Saudi Arabia has gathered relevant details through normal channels about the case in which Raymond Davis is implicated but it has not dropped any hint for playing any role viewing it as domestic matter of Pakistan.
Saudi ambassador in Pakistan Abdul Aziz Ibrahim bin Saleh Al-Ghadeer while in a brief chat with this scribe categorically said Wednesday that his country is willing to help brotherly people and country for their wellbeing and interests in any difficulty but refuted the impression that the Saudi government has volunteered any service in this regard.
The Saudi envoy brushed aside the impression that the current visit of Chief of Royal Saudi Army General Saleh Al-Mahia to Pakistan had anything to do with the case of the US citizen in Lahore jail. “It is a professional and bilateral visit of the Saudi land forces chief who had important discussions with his counterpart in Pakistan and other officials. He will spent another day in Pakistan before returning home Friday,” he said.
http://www.geo.tv/important_events/2011/raymond_davis/pages/english_news.asp
by Muhammad Saleh Zaafir
ISLAMABAD: Saudi Arabia is prepared to play a role in the settlement of the complex case of US killer Raymond Davis who is involved in the double murder of two innocent youngsters of Lahore and currently behind the bar in the city prison.
Saudi willingness is available in the backdrop of difficulties being faced by Pakistan in the matter but Islamabad has not asked Riyadh to use its good offices in this regard as yet.
Highly placed diplomatic sources told The News here Wednesday that Saudi Arabia has gathered relevant details through normal channels about the case in which Raymond Davis is implicated but it has not dropped any hint for playing any role viewing it as domestic matter of Pakistan.
Saudi ambassador in Pakistan Abdul Aziz Ibrahim bin Saleh Al-Ghadeer while in a brief chat with this scribe categorically said Wednesday that his country is willing to help brotherly people and country for their wellbeing and interests in any difficulty but refuted the impression that the Saudi government has volunteered any service in this regard.
The Saudi envoy brushed aside the impression that the current visit of Chief of Royal Saudi Army General Saleh Al-Mahia to Pakistan had anything to do with the case of the US citizen in Lahore jail. “It is a professional and bilateral visit of the Saudi land forces chief who had important discussions with his counterpart in Pakistan and other officials. He will spent another day in Pakistan before returning home Friday,” he said.
http://www.geo.tv/important_events/2011/raymond_davis/pages/english_news.asp
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Davis issue a complex legal case: FO
Updated at 2245 PST Saturday, March 12, 2011
ISLAMABAD: Sources at Pakistan Foreign office termed as complicated legal case the issue of Raymond Davis, the US national and murderer of two Pakistanis in Lahore who is presently in the custody of law enforcing authorities in Pakistan, Geo News reported Saturday.
According to Blue Book, only the diplomatic card issued by Pakistans Foreign Office confirms whether someone is a diplomat.
Sources said that the case of Raymond Davis is a complicated one because in this case not only laws of the land are significant but the international and US laws also have importance. The definition of immunity is not the same in different countries, the source added.
A total of four cases relating to diplomatic issues are in progress in a Lahores court. Para-wise replies are in the process of being made for these cases which will be sent to Law Division.
The sources said that there was no report from Japan of any Pakistanis going missing.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/NewsDetail.aspx?ID=12496
Updated at 2245 PST Saturday, March 12, 2011
ISLAMABAD: Sources at Pakistan Foreign office termed as complicated legal case the issue of Raymond Davis, the US national and murderer of two Pakistanis in Lahore who is presently in the custody of law enforcing authorities in Pakistan, Geo News reported Saturday.
According to Blue Book, only the diplomatic card issued by Pakistans Foreign Office confirms whether someone is a diplomat.
Sources said that the case of Raymond Davis is a complicated one because in this case not only laws of the land are significant but the international and US laws also have importance. The definition of immunity is not the same in different countries, the source added.
A total of four cases relating to diplomatic issues are in progress in a Lahores court. Para-wise replies are in the process of being made for these cases which will be sent to Law Division.
The sources said that there was no report from Japan of any Pakistanis going missing.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/NewsDetail.aspx?ID=12496
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I read your post script below:
" I belive that real muslim do
1- belive in ONE "ALLAH" SWT. 2- belive in Last Holy "Quran". (Belive in all other Holy Books of ALLAH)
3- belive in Last Prophecy of Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). and he is last Prophet of ALLAH no one will come after him. and follow his life patron."
Do you mean life pattern or life patron??
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thank you gazoo bhai for correction even i didn't notice this mistake. real word is pattern.....
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Davis immunity case: govt to reply today
Updated at 915 PST Monday, March 14, 2011
LAHORE: The Ministry of Foreign Affairs is to submit its reply to the Lahore High Court today regarding immunity of arrested CIA contractor Raymond Davis.
An Additional District and Sessions Judge (AD&SJ) on March 03, 2011 rejected the application of US national Raymond seeking diplomatic immunity in murder trial against him.
The court held that the accused did not enjoy immunity as the required certificate by Foreign Ministry was not submitted.
AD&SJ Muhammad Yousaf Aujla was hearing the murder trial inside Kot Lakhpat Jail against Raymond Davis for killing two Pakistanis.
Lahore High Court Chief Justice Ijaz Ahmad Chaudhry had heard the petitions regarding Raymond's immunity as the Deputy Attorney General sought time from the court to reply on behalf of the Foreign Ministry.
The Lahore High Court on the last hearing strongly directed the minister concerned to clear the status of Davis on March 14.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/NewsDetail.aspx?ID=12557
Updated at 915 PST Monday, March 14, 2011
LAHORE: The Ministry of Foreign Affairs is to submit its reply to the Lahore High Court today regarding immunity of arrested CIA contractor Raymond Davis.
An Additional District and Sessions Judge (AD&SJ) on March 03, 2011 rejected the application of US national Raymond seeking diplomatic immunity in murder trial against him.
The court held that the accused did not enjoy immunity as the required certificate by Foreign Ministry was not submitted.
AD&SJ Muhammad Yousaf Aujla was hearing the murder trial inside Kot Lakhpat Jail against Raymond Davis for killing two Pakistanis.
Lahore High Court Chief Justice Ijaz Ahmad Chaudhry had heard the petitions regarding Raymond's immunity as the Deputy Attorney General sought time from the court to reply on behalf of the Foreign Ministry.
The Lahore High Court on the last hearing strongly directed the minister concerned to clear the status of Davis on March 14.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/NewsDetail.aspx?ID=12557
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Pakistani court dodges decision on CIA contractor's immunity
By Mubasher Bokhari
Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:41am GMT
LAHORE, Pakistan, March 14 - A Pakistani court declined to rule on Monday on whether a CIA contractor held on murder charges has diplomatic immunity, saying a court hearing the murder case would decide.
The ruling by the Lahore High Court is likely to extend a crisis in ties between the United States and Pakistan over contractor Raymond Davis, who is on trial for double murder, and complicate efforts to secure his release.
"The case is in a trial court ... It will decide on his immunity," Chief Justice Ejaz Chaudhry told the court in the eastern city.
Davis, 36, shot dead two Pakistanis in Lahore on January 27. He said he acted in self-defence and the United States says he has diplomatic immunity and should be repatriated.
Pakistan says the courts must decide.
The High Court had been considering whether he had immunity while a criminal court is due to resume hearing the murder charges on Wednesday. If convicted, Davis could face the death penalty.
The case has shaken relations between the United States and Pakistan, a vital ally in the U.S.-led campaign against Taliban militants in Afghanistan.
(Writing by Rebecca Conway; Editing Robert Birsel)
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/03/14/uk-pakistan-usa-idUKTRE72D1GX20110314
By Mubasher Bokhari
Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:41am GMT
LAHORE, Pakistan, March 14 - A Pakistani court declined to rule on Monday on whether a CIA contractor held on murder charges has diplomatic immunity, saying a court hearing the murder case would decide.
The ruling by the Lahore High Court is likely to extend a crisis in ties between the United States and Pakistan over contractor Raymond Davis, who is on trial for double murder, and complicate efforts to secure his release.
"The case is in a trial court ... It will decide on his immunity," Chief Justice Ejaz Chaudhry told the court in the eastern city.
Davis, 36, shot dead two Pakistanis in Lahore on January 27. He said he acted in self-defence and the United States says he has diplomatic immunity and should be repatriated.
Pakistan says the courts must decide.
The High Court had been considering whether he had immunity while a criminal court is due to resume hearing the murder charges on Wednesday. If convicted, Davis could face the death penalty.
The case has shaken relations between the United States and Pakistan, a vital ally in the U.S.-led campaign against Taliban militants in Afghanistan.
(Writing by Rebecca Conway; Editing Robert Birsel)
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/03/14/uk-pakistan-usa-idUKTRE72D1GX20110314
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Foreign ministry fails to confirm Davis' immunity
Published: March 14, 2011
LHC questions foreign ministry's stance and says it is not being clear on the matter. PHOTO: AFP/FILE
LAHORE: The foreign ministry on Monday informed the Lahore High Court (LHC) that Raymond Davis had a diplomatic passport and was given an official business visa but they did not confirm whether the American gunman enjoyed diplomatic immunity.
The LHC questioned the foreign ministrys stance and said it was not being clear on the matter.
Chief Justice Ejaz Hussain then disposed off the petitions questioning Daviss immunity, saying the issue will now be settled in the trial court.
The court also asked the foreign ministry to submit a reply on a petition challenging Vienna convention.
Davis faces double-murder charges for gunning down two men in Lahores Mozang area on January 27, 2011, and has been a source of strained relations between Pakistan and the United States.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/132373/foreign-ministry-fails-to-confirm-daviss-immunity/
Published: March 14, 2011
LHC questions foreign ministry's stance and says it is not being clear on the matter. PHOTO: AFP/FILE
LAHORE: The foreign ministry on Monday informed the Lahore High Court (LHC) that Raymond Davis had a diplomatic passport and was given an official business visa but they did not confirm whether the American gunman enjoyed diplomatic immunity.
The LHC questioned the foreign ministrys stance and said it was not being clear on the matter.
Chief Justice Ejaz Hussain then disposed off the petitions questioning Daviss immunity, saying the issue will now be settled in the trial court.
The court also asked the foreign ministry to submit a reply on a petition challenging Vienna convention.
Davis faces double-murder charges for gunning down two men in Lahores Mozang area on January 27, 2011, and has been a source of strained relations between Pakistan and the United States.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/132373/foreign-ministry-fails-to-confirm-daviss-immunity/
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Lessons from Davis saga
By Moeed Yusuf | From the Newspaper (19 hours ago) Today
THE Raymond Davis saga has spiralled out of control from the perspective of the Pakistani and US governments. An analysis of the actions and reactions of the two sides since the shooting incident took place hints at several lessons for both.
Highlighting these is worthwhile; it may help manage future incidents more amicably.
Let me recap how the situation has evolved.
As soon as the news broke, the Washington machinery moved to exploit the behind-the-scenes comfort with certain individuals in the Pakistani government to secure Daviss release. Direct contacts insisted that Davis must be set free. Within the Pakistani political leadership, there was a desire to oblige but they remained hesitant to commit to anything given that the media had picked up the story within minutes.
Yet, mixed signals were sent with at least one key individual in the civilian set-up guaranteeing a speedy release. The message from the Pakistani diplomatic presence in Washington was also mixed, and often contradictory.
Soon, hardball was being played through public channels as well. Diplomatic immunity was made the basis for a string of
statements by US officials that suggested that Pakistan was knowingly violating its international commitments. The Pakistani governments response to this was incoherent and ambivalent. Hedging its bets, the government never confirmed immunity but never denied it altogether either.
Next, handling of the street in Pakistan has never been the forte of either government and this episode turned out to be no exception. Throughout the initial period, while the US expressed empathy on a few occasions, no effort was made to make this the thrust of the message. It was not until Senator John Kerrys visit to Pakistan that a major effort was made to adopt a conciliatory tone. Even that did not last.
The Pakistani governments public stance was taken over by on-ground events. The police FIR led to initiation of legal proceedings. Once the courts were involved, the hedging strategy was never going to provide them a way out. The PPP leaderships statements therefore gradually began to affirm that the legal mechanisms would be allowed to prevail and that no back-channel deals would be made.
Finally, important to note, the relevant institutions in Pakistan and the political enclave in Islamabad were not on the same page at any point. Institutionally, both within the security and diplomatic establishments, there has been little sympathy for the US position all along. In fact, the affair has initiated serious debate about the nature of US presence in Pakistan. There seems to be a conscious decision not to give in and there is reportedly even a hint of uncharacteristic bluntness with which this is being conveyed to the US counterparts.
A number of lessons can be deciphered; all underscore the need for more institutionalised dealings.
The most obvious take-home is the growing limitation of the government in Islamabad to keep the street sentiment out of track-I. No longer can the US expect the Pakistani government, especially a politically weak one, to deliver on sensitive issues as freely as it may have in the past. If anything, the Davis controversy will make the media even more sensitive to any smoking guns in the future.
In terms of policy correction, internalising the street sentiment requires no less than an overhaul of the way in which the two sides have dealt with each other since 9/11. Dealings will have to be much more transparent and worked through established institutional channels. Individuals and their comfort levels with counterparts on the other side may be able to deliver on minor concerns, but on sensitive issues such as the one under discussion, ad hoc decision-making may have run its course.
Consider the fragility of the present model: this one incident has led the Pakistani security and diplomatic establishments to re-examine fundamental questions about the nature, desire and need for expanded US presence in Pakistan. Reason: even though some of their principles may have authorised enlarged US diplomatic and contractor presence, the relevant institutions (as a whole) were never on board and thus never bought into the logic for such decisions. Result: as organisational theory would predict, the likely institutional reaction now would be to overcorrect. In this case, it would amount to tightening of screws on US presence in Pakistan with a possible counter reaction from Washington.
Lack of institutionalisation also implies growing dysfunctionality in the system overall. If individuals in positions of power circumvent their own state institutions on a regular basis, policies and strategies are liable to reflect a disconnect.
In Pakistans case, there are two anomalous nodes: (i) the military establishments dominant role in the bilateral relationship causes a civil-military disconnect in policy preferences; and (ii) within the civilian enclave, the political leaderships propensity to deal directly with US officials rather than valuing institutional memory of organs such as the Foreign Office leaves the latter ineffective, and often in contradiction with the desires of individuals who matter.
Finally, in terms of lessons, a more institutionalised and relatively transparent framework would require new methods to manage controversies. Street sentiment is critical; therefore, winning the people over becomes an obvious target. The US will have to focus much more on a viable public diplomacy strategy in Pakistan.
Key to managing the sentiment would be the ability to show sensitivity to Pakistani norms, something the US has had a poor track record in over the past decade. For instance, a successful US response in the aftermath of the Davis episode required empathy to be the overriding message for the first week before any unpopular demand could be laid out in public. The concept does not come naturally to much of the Washington bureaucracy.
All this inevitably implies the need to tone down overall goals and expectations. Once the dealings are more formalised and transparent, the pace with which they can be processed will slow down and scrutiny will increase. The transformation will not be a painless one. Yet, it will make for a more honest, realistic and sustainable partnership.
The writer is South Asia adviser at the US Institute of Peace, Washington, D.C.
http://www.dawn.com/2011/03/14/lessons-from-davis-saga.html
By Moeed Yusuf | From the Newspaper (19 hours ago) Today
Highlighting these is worthwhile; it may help manage future incidents more amicably.
Let me recap how the situation has evolved.
As soon as the news broke, the Washington machinery moved to exploit the behind-the-scenes comfort with certain individuals in the Pakistani government to secure Daviss release. Direct contacts insisted that Davis must be set free. Within the Pakistani political leadership, there was a desire to oblige but they remained hesitant to commit to anything given that the media had picked up the story within minutes.
Yet, mixed signals were sent with at least one key individual in the civilian set-up guaranteeing a speedy release. The message from the Pakistani diplomatic presence in Washington was also mixed, and often contradictory.
Soon, hardball was being played through public channels as well. Diplomatic immunity was made the basis for a string of
statements by US officials that suggested that Pakistan was knowingly violating its international commitments. The Pakistani governments response to this was incoherent and ambivalent. Hedging its bets, the government never confirmed immunity but never denied it altogether either.
Next, handling of the street in Pakistan has never been the forte of either government and this episode turned out to be no exception. Throughout the initial period, while the US expressed empathy on a few occasions, no effort was made to make this the thrust of the message. It was not until Senator John Kerrys visit to Pakistan that a major effort was made to adopt a conciliatory tone. Even that did not last.
The Pakistani governments public stance was taken over by on-ground events. The police FIR led to initiation of legal proceedings. Once the courts were involved, the hedging strategy was never going to provide them a way out. The PPP leaderships statements therefore gradually began to affirm that the legal mechanisms would be allowed to prevail and that no back-channel deals would be made.
Finally, important to note, the relevant institutions in Pakistan and the political enclave in Islamabad were not on the same page at any point. Institutionally, both within the security and diplomatic establishments, there has been little sympathy for the US position all along. In fact, the affair has initiated serious debate about the nature of US presence in Pakistan. There seems to be a conscious decision not to give in and there is reportedly even a hint of uncharacteristic bluntness with which this is being conveyed to the US counterparts.
A number of lessons can be deciphered; all underscore the need for more institutionalised dealings.
The most obvious take-home is the growing limitation of the government in Islamabad to keep the street sentiment out of track-I. No longer can the US expect the Pakistani government, especially a politically weak one, to deliver on sensitive issues as freely as it may have in the past. If anything, the Davis controversy will make the media even more sensitive to any smoking guns in the future.
In terms of policy correction, internalising the street sentiment requires no less than an overhaul of the way in which the two sides have dealt with each other since 9/11. Dealings will have to be much more transparent and worked through established institutional channels. Individuals and their comfort levels with counterparts on the other side may be able to deliver on minor concerns, but on sensitive issues such as the one under discussion, ad hoc decision-making may have run its course.
Consider the fragility of the present model: this one incident has led the Pakistani security and diplomatic establishments to re-examine fundamental questions about the nature, desire and need for expanded US presence in Pakistan. Reason: even though some of their principles may have authorised enlarged US diplomatic and contractor presence, the relevant institutions (as a whole) were never on board and thus never bought into the logic for such decisions. Result: as organisational theory would predict, the likely institutional reaction now would be to overcorrect. In this case, it would amount to tightening of screws on US presence in Pakistan with a possible counter reaction from Washington.
Lack of institutionalisation also implies growing dysfunctionality in the system overall. If individuals in positions of power circumvent their own state institutions on a regular basis, policies and strategies are liable to reflect a disconnect.
In Pakistans case, there are two anomalous nodes: (i) the military establishments dominant role in the bilateral relationship causes a civil-military disconnect in policy preferences; and (ii) within the civilian enclave, the political leaderships propensity to deal directly with US officials rather than valuing institutional memory of organs such as the Foreign Office leaves the latter ineffective, and often in contradiction with the desires of individuals who matter.
Finally, in terms of lessons, a more institutionalised and relatively transparent framework would require new methods to manage controversies. Street sentiment is critical; therefore, winning the people over becomes an obvious target. The US will have to focus much more on a viable public diplomacy strategy in Pakistan.
Key to managing the sentiment would be the ability to show sensitivity to Pakistani norms, something the US has had a poor track record in over the past decade. For instance, a successful US response in the aftermath of the Davis episode required empathy to be the overriding message for the first week before any unpopular demand could be laid out in public. The concept does not come naturally to much of the Washington bureaucracy.
All this inevitably implies the need to tone down overall goals and expectations. Once the dealings are more formalised and transparent, the pace with which they can be processed will slow down and scrutiny will increase. The transformation will not be a painless one. Yet, it will make for a more honest, realistic and sustainable partnership.
The writer is South Asia adviser at the US Institute of Peace, Washington, D.C.
http://www.dawn.com/2011/03/14/lessons-from-davis-saga.html
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Ex-servicemen say Davis should be waterboarded
By Saba Imtiaz
Published: March 15, 2011
Protestors shout slogans against arrested US man Raymond Davis. PHOTO: AFP/FILE
KARACHI: The 2,000-member strong Pakistan Ex-Servicemen Association (PESA) is joining political parties, religious groups and security officials by diving headfirst into the chatter over the Raymond Davis issue. It plans to stage a protest in Islamabad on March 23 to raise awareness about issues of national interest, including the case of Raymond Davis.
In what appears to be yet another move to dictate the public discourse about Davis the alleged Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) employee on trial in Pakistan for killing two men ex-servicemen now plan to start a movement that will focus on Pakistan asserting its sovereignty and issues of national interest.
The demands laid out in an e-mail sent to PESAs members call for the use of interrogation techniques such as waterboarding.
The e-mail says: Raymond Davis is seen as a saboteur operating as a mercenary for the destabilisation of Pakistan, under the protection of the US government. He has been creating and executing threats to the security of our citizens and homeland. He must be fully interrogated using all methods (including water-boarding) that are used by the US against those who act against the security of the US. His network and methods must be followed and eliminated. Probability of other mercenaries/CIA operated networks must be investigated through him.
According to a 2004 CIA report, 9/11 suspect Khalid Shaikh Mohammad was waterboarded 183 times. The report defined the technique: The application of the waterboard technique involves binding a detainee to a bench with his feet elevated over his head. The detainees head is immobilised and an interrogator places a cloth over the detainees mouth and nose while pouring water onto the cloth in a controlled manner. Airflow is restricted for 20 to 40 seconds and the technique produces the sensation of drowning and suffocation.
PESA member Brigadier (retired) Mian Mahmud said, Raymond Davis is just one issue. It is about Pakistan asserting its sovereignty in these matters of national interest. We are trying to show the whole picture.
Columnist and ex-army officer Kamran Shafi said he had not seen the letter but called the notion complete and utter nonsense.
How does Raymond Davis, who is here on a valid diplomatic passport, fall into the same category as some al Qaeda chap found in Afghanistan or Somalia, the enemy combatants as the US calls them? he questioned. If there were five CIA employees living in a house in Lahore, how did the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) not know about them? Does butter melt in the mouth of the ISI?
When asked why ex-servicemen were leading the protest, Mahmud said, These ex-servicemen do have experience and can analyse these situations in a better way.
Mahmud said the steering committee created for this protest is a cross-section of civil society and includes members of Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf.
Shafi believes the association should first protest against their own service headquarters over their problems such as the National Logistics Cell issue which General Kayani said he would look into and nothing has happened on that and then deal with the civilian government.
Published in The Express Tribune, March 15th, 2011.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/132722/ex-servicemen-say-davis-should-be-waterboarded/
By Saba Imtiaz
Published: March 15, 2011
Protestors shout slogans against arrested US man Raymond Davis. PHOTO: AFP/FILE
KARACHI: The 2,000-member strong Pakistan Ex-Servicemen Association (PESA) is joining political parties, religious groups and security officials by diving headfirst into the chatter over the Raymond Davis issue. It plans to stage a protest in Islamabad on March 23 to raise awareness about issues of national interest, including the case of Raymond Davis.
In what appears to be yet another move to dictate the public discourse about Davis the alleged Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) employee on trial in Pakistan for killing two men ex-servicemen now plan to start a movement that will focus on Pakistan asserting its sovereignty and issues of national interest.
The demands laid out in an e-mail sent to PESAs members call for the use of interrogation techniques such as waterboarding.
The e-mail says: Raymond Davis is seen as a saboteur operating as a mercenary for the destabilisation of Pakistan, under the protection of the US government. He has been creating and executing threats to the security of our citizens and homeland. He must be fully interrogated using all methods (including water-boarding) that are used by the US against those who act against the security of the US. His network and methods must be followed and eliminated. Probability of other mercenaries/CIA operated networks must be investigated through him.
According to a 2004 CIA report, 9/11 suspect Khalid Shaikh Mohammad was waterboarded 183 times. The report defined the technique: The application of the waterboard technique involves binding a detainee to a bench with his feet elevated over his head. The detainees head is immobilised and an interrogator places a cloth over the detainees mouth and nose while pouring water onto the cloth in a controlled manner. Airflow is restricted for 20 to 40 seconds and the technique produces the sensation of drowning and suffocation.
PESA member Brigadier (retired) Mian Mahmud said, Raymond Davis is just one issue. It is about Pakistan asserting its sovereignty in these matters of national interest. We are trying to show the whole picture.
Columnist and ex-army officer Kamran Shafi said he had not seen the letter but called the notion complete and utter nonsense.
How does Raymond Davis, who is here on a valid diplomatic passport, fall into the same category as some al Qaeda chap found in Afghanistan or Somalia, the enemy combatants as the US calls them? he questioned. If there were five CIA employees living in a house in Lahore, how did the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) not know about them? Does butter melt in the mouth of the ISI?
When asked why ex-servicemen were leading the protest, Mahmud said, These ex-servicemen do have experience and can analyse these situations in a better way.
Mahmud said the steering committee created for this protest is a cross-section of civil society and includes members of Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf.
Shafi believes the association should first protest against their own service headquarters over their problems such as the National Logistics Cell issue which General Kayani said he would look into and nothing has happened on that and then deal with the civilian government.
Published in The Express Tribune, March 15th, 2011.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/132722/ex-servicemen-say-davis-should-be-waterboarded/
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thank you brother zeshaan for updates post....
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Raymond Davis indicted in double-murder case
Published: March 16, 2011
Davis indicted for double murder and not for other charges like espionage. PHOTO: AFP/FILE
LAHORE: A Sessions court judge in Lahore formally indicted US national Raymond Davis in the double-murder case on Wednesday.
According to Express 24/7 correspondent Muhammad Rizwan, in the hearing that took place at Kot Lakhpat jail, Davis counsel Zahid Hussain Bokhari tried to stall the ruling saying he did not trust the investigation process. However, the judge ignored his statement and formally indicted the accused.
Davis was only indicted for double murder and not for other charges like espionage. The number of counts he was formally charged with is not clear as yet.
Davis was arrested after he killed two Pakistanis, Faizan and Faheem, in Lahores Mozang area, on January 27, 2011.
In the last hearing, Davis had refused to receive any documents or sign the charge-sheet. His attorneys had said they had received it on his behalf and had asked the court to include it in its orders. According to sources they had sought further time to prepare for the trial.
Charge-sheet
Earlier, on February 15, 2011, the police had submitted a 25-page charge-sheet in the court declaring that Davis had murdered two people and was not acting in self-defence.
The charge-sheet stated that Davis self-defence plea was false as it was intentional murder. It read that the guns recovered from the possession of the deceased were not loaded and they had also not pointed a gun at Davis. Fingerprints were found on the pistols triggers and on bodies of the deceased and tests show that the bullets remained in the magazines of their guns, not the chambers.
The charge-sheet also stated that the police had recovered a GPS tracker, mobile phones, wireless sets, a survival kit and photographs from Davis car. The accused, it says, is uncooperative with the police during investigation.
The charge-sheet also contained the statements of 47 witnesses, who have said that Davis did not shoot the men in self-defence. They also said that Davis had shot directly at the two boys and kept shooting even when one of them tried to flee.
Immunity
The Lahore High Court (LHC) ruled on Monday that the matter of immunity for Davis will be decided by the trial court, and disposed of all petitions challenging his diplomatic status in Pakistan.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/133324/raymond-davis-indicted-in-double-murder-case/
Published: March 16, 2011
Davis indicted for double murder and not for other charges like espionage. PHOTO: AFP/FILE
LAHORE: A Sessions court judge in Lahore formally indicted US national Raymond Davis in the double-murder case on Wednesday.
According to Express 24/7 correspondent Muhammad Rizwan, in the hearing that took place at Kot Lakhpat jail, Davis counsel Zahid Hussain Bokhari tried to stall the ruling saying he did not trust the investigation process. However, the judge ignored his statement and formally indicted the accused.
Davis was only indicted for double murder and not for other charges like espionage. The number of counts he was formally charged with is not clear as yet.
Davis was arrested after he killed two Pakistanis, Faizan and Faheem, in Lahores Mozang area, on January 27, 2011.
In the last hearing, Davis had refused to receive any documents or sign the charge-sheet. His attorneys had said they had received it on his behalf and had asked the court to include it in its orders. According to sources they had sought further time to prepare for the trial.
Charge-sheet
Earlier, on February 15, 2011, the police had submitted a 25-page charge-sheet in the court declaring that Davis had murdered two people and was not acting in self-defence.
The charge-sheet stated that Davis self-defence plea was false as it was intentional murder. It read that the guns recovered from the possession of the deceased were not loaded and they had also not pointed a gun at Davis. Fingerprints were found on the pistols triggers and on bodies of the deceased and tests show that the bullets remained in the magazines of their guns, not the chambers.
The charge-sheet also stated that the police had recovered a GPS tracker, mobile phones, wireless sets, a survival kit and photographs from Davis car. The accused, it says, is uncooperative with the police during investigation.
The charge-sheet also contained the statements of 47 witnesses, who have said that Davis did not shoot the men in self-defence. They also said that Davis had shot directly at the two boys and kept shooting even when one of them tried to flee.
Immunity
The Lahore High Court (LHC) ruled on Monday that the matter of immunity for Davis will be decided by the trial court, and disposed of all petitions challenging his diplomatic status in Pakistan.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/133324/raymond-davis-indicted-in-double-murder-case/
