Conspiracy Revealed against Pakistan Armed Forces (Sindh Rangers Incident) - Must Watch unedited vid

[Scorpion]

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Oh Come on.

you can find a video even on this website where a single man rob a person in ATM
COME ON
Do not base your believes on assumptions.

But when for you his own words are doubt full what else I can present?

Dear off course the whole Gang will not going to enter the ATM premises . . . .

And you do not make your believes upon video graphics . . . . And neither I other wise thousands and thousand of perpetrators of fake police encounters will going to roam free . . . . Sarfaraz was just lucky after death that there was a camera team just close by other wise none of us would had take notice as we dont take with regard to the extra judicial killings taking place in Baluchistan, swat and FATA

 

[Scorpion]

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No i am building my believes on the words of that boy sarfraz.
I am building my believes what he said and how he act in that situation
For you his words are not important but your assumptions are?

I have already said that Rangers did wrong(but you should keep in mind the current situation of Khi). but It is your job to prove that he was totally innocent. but so far things shows that he was not THAT innocent you are trying to prove.

Now where is the Gun . . . . Where is the robbery . . . .

 

[psycho1]

Mian sirf ess admi sey pochta hon jis ney ye Video Uploade ki hia, jhoot muut ki. Phir be gahlat ko sahi sabit karny ki koshish kar rahy hian ye log. Mujy bataho, ager ye teri family kay kasi kay sath hota ager wo choor be hota ya jo kohi be criminal etc. tu tum phir be es kism ki video uplaode karty army or rangers kay ganday kamoon ko bachany ney kay liye????? Ye tu ek waqia hia joai sameney aya hia. abi tu Allah ka azab es army kay Gernalon par anay wala hia inshallah. dekho hota hia kiya future. mian. Gernal kayani ***** ko kuch Core commonder inside support nahi kar ray or kay rahy hian abi es ko jana chayee. Fooj kay ander be boht achy log hian jo ye sab zulm nahi chaty laken kiya karian Koom hi besharam hia. Jasy log wasy hukmran. suit these people.

 

[Scorpion]

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and one of my own friend was robbed like that in lhr in a hot day of may-june 3,4 years ago by a single man.
(althoug all what he get was 200 and nokia 1100 :) )

Which robbery dear . . . . It was a cold blooded murder . . . . .

 

[Abdul Allah]

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Now where is the Gun . . . . Where is the robbery . . . .

You know His brother is a journalist himself So ..............

any thing is possible. They might even said that oh he was sitting in the room they draged him out etc....

 

[Abdul Allah]

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Dear off course the whole Gang will not going to enter the ATM premises . . . .

And you do not make your believes upon video graphics . . . . And neither I other wise thousands and thousand of perpetrators of fake police encounters will going to roam free . . . . Sarfaraz was just lucky after death that there was a camera team just close by other wise none of us would had take notice as we dont take with regard to the extra judicial killings taking place in Baluchistan, swat and FATA

Dear camera outside the ATM shows that only one man did it.
Watch then comment.


and dear you are yet to give an logical argument on that
If gun was not his
then why he said Gun Nakili hay

If Gun is not yours you will say Yah mairi nai hy

not this
Nakili hy Main majburi main aya hoon.

Fit this all sentense in the stories you posted through news clipings

 

[Abdul Allah]

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Dear off course the whole Gang will not going to enter the ATM premises . . . .

And you do not make your believes upon video graphics . . . . And neither I other wise thousands and thousand of perpetrators of fake police encounters will going to roam free . . . . Sarfaraz was just lucky after death that there was a camera team just close by other wise none of us would had take notice as we dont take with regard to the extra judicial killings taking place in Baluchistan, swat and FATA

I have share experience of my friend with you but you are still not convinced
Any way

 

[Abdul Allah]

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Dear off course the whole Gang will not going to enter the ATM premises . . . .

And you do not make your believes upon video graphics . . . . And neither I other wise thousands and thousand of perpetrators of fake police encounters will going to roam free . . . . Sarfaraz was just lucky after death that there was a camera team just close by other wise none of us would had take notice as we dont take with regard to the extra judicial killings taking place in Baluchistan, swat and FATA

The Camera was not hidden It was on one half foot distance
Also in start the person try to show face of sarfraz to the Camera by saying Mun upar kar mun upar kar. and Sarfraz try to hide by putting his hand on face. So He acutally allow the camera man to capture the face just a normal practice

Why no body stop the camera man from filming if it was "extra judicial killing"
The whole things did not sum up .

any logical point on that.

 

[Scorpion]

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The Camera was not hidden It was on one half foot distance
Also in start the person try to show face of sarfraz to the Camera by saying Mun upar kar mun upar kar. and Sarfraz try to hide by putting his hand on face. So He acutally allow the camera man to capture the face just a normal practice

Why no body stop the camera man from filming if it was "extra judicial killing"
The whole things did not sum up .

any logical point on that.

Weather some body stops the camera man or not, still it is a extra judicial killing . . . . . Brother , any killing outside the law you cannot defend it . . . . You raised doubts regarding the Gun , And I forward you the news of the investigation from two different sources both claiming the same thing that no incident of robbery took place and no gun incident happened at all . . .

Now if you dont want believe the evidences its up to you . . . . And who claimed that the camera was hidden . . . Atleast not I
for not stopping the camera man please go and ask those stupid Ranger guys . . . . . .

And if you talk about logic . . . . than there was no logic on the first hand to even shoot that un armed Sarfaraz . . .

 

[Scorpion]

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You know His brother is a journalist himself So ..............

any thing is possible. They might even said that oh he was sitting in the room they draged him out etc....

And here your are going into conspiracy theories . . . . because if you come to the THEY MIGHT . . . logic, than in the end the security personnels may claim that this incident never happened . . . . and who is sarfaraz by the way . . . .

 

[Abdul Allah]

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Weather some body stops the camera man or not, still it is a extra judicial killing . . . . . Brother , any killing outside the law you cannot defend it . . . . You raised doubts regarding the Gun , And I forward you the news of the investigation from two different sources both claiming the same thing that no incident of robbery took place and no gun incident happened at all . . .

Now if you dont want believe the evidences its up to you . . . . And who claimed that the camera was hidden . . . Atleast not I
for not stopping the camera man please go and ask those stupid Ranger guys . . . . . .

And if you talk about logic . . . . than there was no logic on the first hand to even shoot that un armed Sarfaraz . . .

You need to get your facts re collected.

There was Gun (A TOY GUN Huh...)

Read latest facts.

 

[Abdul Allah]

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And here your are going into conspiracy theories . . . . because if you come to the THEY MIGHT . . . logic, than in the end the security personnels may claim that this incident never happened . . . . and who is sarfaraz by the way . . . .

I am stating the fact that His brother is a journalist So where is consipiracy theory in it?

 

[Abdul Allah]

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Weather some body stops the camera man or not, still it is a extra judicial killing . . . . . Brother , any killing outside the law you cannot defend it . . . . You raised doubts regarding the Gun , And I forward you the news of the investigation from two different sources both claiming the same thing that no incident of robbery took place and no gun incident happened at all . . .

Now if you dont want believe the evidences its up to you . . . . And who claimed that the camera was hidden . . . Atleast not I
for not stopping the camera man please go and ask those stupid Ranger guys . . . . . .

And if you talk about logic . . . . than there was no logic on the first hand to even shoot that un armed Sarfaraz . . .

I am not defending his killing. re read my post again and again.
It is not I who raised doubts about the Gun

It was words of the boy himself


dear you are yet to give an logical argument on that
If gun was not his
then why he said Gun Nakili hay

If Gun is not yours you will say Yah mairi nai hy

not this
Nakili hy Main majburi main aya hoon.

Fit this all sentense in the stories you posted through news clipings

 

[hmaliks]

Ranger seems to have done the right thing under the circumstances. Great Post!

 

[Scorpion]

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I am not defending his killing. re read my post again and again.
It is not I who raised doubts about the Gun

It was words of the boy himself


dear you are yet to give an logical argument on that
If gun was not his
then why he said Gun Nakili hay

If Gun is not yours you will say Yah mairi nai hy

not this
Nakili hy Main majburi main aya hoon.

Fit this all sentense in the stories you posted through news clipings

You need to get your facts re collected.

There was Gun (A TOY GUN Huh...)

Read latest facts.

http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.shtml?240539

FIR against Sarfaraz Shah cancelled

Sunday June 19, 2011 (1200 PST)




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Karachi: The probe team has closed the FIR which was lodged against Karachi youth Sarfraz Shah in which it was alleged that the deceased had robbed a family.

Instead, it ordered the lodging of two separate FIRs against Rangers personnel and Afsar Khan, the man who lodged the original FIR.

A senior member of the probe team said that they have investigated the FIR lodged by Afsar Khan against Sarfaraz in which it was alleged that he was killed by the Rangers personnel while he was robbing a family. During the probe they had not found any clues or evidence and the said FIR was found to be forged and bogus after which they had closed the FIR in C-Class.

Moreover, the weapon mentioned in the FIR which the complainant claimed to have recovered from Sarfraz’s possession was found to be a toy pistol and was handed over to the complainant by SI Baha-ur-Rehman of the Sindh Rangers.

In this regard, they have ordered to lodged separate FIRs against Afsar Khan and SI Rehman of the Rangers for registering a fake and bogus FIR.

End.

Dear,

these are the latest facts as per the investigation . . . Even the toy gun was handed over by the security personnels . . . .
Regarding the boys statement . . . I again say that when some body is beaten, he's under threat and under mental pressure . . . You can expect any statement from him . . . . What matters in court are the statements in front of judge,proofs and circumstantial evidences which all point out against the Rangers and the initial complainants . . . . .

 

[Abdul Allah]

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http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.shtml?240539


Dear,

these are the latest facts as per the investigation . . . Even the toy gun was handed over by the security personnels . . . .
Regarding the boys statement . . . I again say that when some body is beaten, he's under threat and under mental pressure . . . You can expect any statement from him . . . . What matters in court are the statements in front of judge,proofs and circumstantial evidences which all point out against the Rangers and the initial complainants . . . . .

Are you really serious ? or just keep posting for the sake of arguments?
If the TOY gun was not his then WHY a TOY GUN?
Was it IMPOSSIBLE for rangers to use REAL GUN to make there case STRONG?

You really need to think with care

 

[Scorpion]

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Are you really serious ? or just keep posting for the sake of arguments?
If the TOY gun was not his then WHY a TOY GUN?
Was it IMPOSSIBLE for rangers to use REAL GUN to make there case STRONG?

You really need to think with care

dear ,

The Police and Rangers first recovered a real weapon which was later converted into a fake one , First there was an encounter which later was changed into death in custody, First the sarfaraz was charged of trying to snatch the security personnel weapon which was later changed into begging for life, Rehman Malik initially charged him for leading a group of nine thugs however neither a group nor any thugs were discovered . . . . And so on and on . . .

And why a toy gun even when sarfaraz was unarmed is my question . . . . .

You either believe truth speaking Rehman Malik, Most corrupt Police or Politicized Rangers, its up to you as I consider them worst than an animal . . . .

They made their Card castle on the foundation of lies and it therefore collapsed . . . . . . . . . .

 

[Abdul Allah]

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dear ,

The Police and Rangers first recovered a real weapon which was later converted into a fake one , First there was an encounter which later was changed into death in custody, First the sarfaraz was charged of trying to snatch the security personnel weapon which was later changed into begging for life, Rehman Malik initially charged him for leading a group of nine thugs however neither a group nor any thugs were discovered . . . . And so on and on . . .

And why a toy gun even when sarfaraz was unarmed is my question . . . . .

You either believe truth speaking Rehman Malik, Most corrupt Police or Politicized Rangers, its up to you as I consider them worst than an animal . . . .

They made their Card castle on the foundation of lies and it therefore collapsed . . . . . . . . . .

I am not talking about any STATEMENTS
other than present in the video.
I am not talking about what he says what she says
I am talking about what we say in video.

you are yet to answer my question.

you are denying that even the "TOY GUN" was not his.

although he admit it.
and
Was it impossible for the rangers to use original gun?

 

[pakistani 86]

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ye bht bachgana soch hai safarmai.aap clearly dekh rhy ho k wo aik foji se hathyar cheen'ny ki koshish kr rha hai.or foji ka hathyar us ka libas hota hai ap usy sar e aam nanga krny ki jur'at nhn kr sakty ye basic human rights ki clear cut violation hai.or wesy b jb wo pakra gya hai to usy orders ko obey krna chahye tha.what if he would get that weapon from this ranger guy and start killing them?hmari foj hmara asset hai aaj tak agr ye mulk dushman ki zad se mehfooz hai to us ki waja borders pe bethy hmary wo jawan hain jin ki ankhon mein khof nhn hai warna hm yahan apny gharon mein kitny khofzada hain ye to ap ko pata ho ga he

 

[pakistani 86]

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agar aik lamhy k lye maan b lia jaye k rangers ne jaan boojh kr asa kia to buniadi sawal to ye paida hota hai k q?rangers ne asa q kia?were they so frustrated k unhen aik begunaah ki jaan leny ki zrurt par gai?kya wo shehr ki sarkon pe is lye gasht kr rhy thy k wo kisi ki jan le saken?incredibly abi tak kisi ne b is point ko raise nhn kia.media ne is pehlu pe apni tehqeeqat q nhn kin?kya wahan mojood eye witnesses se kisi ne ja k interview kia?zahir hai wo family jisy lootny ki baat ho rhi hai wo b kahin na kahin to ho gi us ka pata chalaya jaye wo banda jis ne sarfraz ko rangers k hawaly kia us ka byan q nhn samny laya gya?wesy to ye hr jaga pohnch jaty hain wahan b jahan in ki koi zrurat nhn hoti and one more strange thing for which i totally agree with abdul Allah that when the whole scene was carrying out why didnt anyone try to snatch the camera from the camera man?if it was likely to be an extra judicial killing then why didnt the rangers try to confiscate that camera why did they let the camera man to shoot a killing and then put it on the tv channels?