Chinese Made J10 join Pak Airforce
digitalzygot
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Bro main difference b/w both aircraft is that su-30 is an air superiority war plane while j-10 is a strike fighter. U can compare j-10 with f-16. In a dog fight f-16 has an edge over j-10. but there is comparison b/w su-30 and j-10, however in 4th generation war planes j-10/11 comes after f-16 and su-30...
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Malik495
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
yaar you should watch ** Rang De Basanti Movie** and then write something about indian airforce scams.. Indian airforce has the record of most air crashes ..
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crankthskunk
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FC20 were ordered long time ago, Pakistan took active part in its design and avionics with China. They are specifically designed to take care of the two Indian jets Mirage 2000 and Su30. FC20 are produced in cooperation with China on the same line as J17 but on slightly lower technical input in the design.
History of J10 includes, rumours Pakistan gave an F16 to the Chinese for reverse engineering, Israel handing over the Levi program to the Chinese, Levi was also based on F16 project, it can be safely assumed that PAF was involved in J10 project from the start like it was for JF17 or FC1. In 2004 Air Chief Marshal Kaleem Sadat stated that PAF will induct J10 when it became available in 5/6 years time, when Chinese have enough for their requirements.
There is another fighter J11, the Russian maintained it is a copy of SU27, with improved aerodynamics and avionics, Pakistan also will be acquiring versions of J11, including latest under development J11E, once again with specific requirements.
As much as India is concerned their pilot training and professional skills are so poor that even the best aircraft would become a poison chalice for them. They have lost over 10 Mirage 2000 and 3 SU30 in recent years.
Thats the reason one should have equal technical education in both theory and in practical. Their engineers are trained in American engineering specs lyk us (iso) while they are using sukhois as their main fighter aircrafts. but its highly doubtful that pak played any role in j-10/11.. as far as reverse technology of f-16 is concerned, its 100% accurate, but if india goes for an agreement wid russia regarding su-35 then pak will be in desperate need of j-20 or f-22 because it will completely shift the balance of power..
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made its first flight in Jan. Coming in 2017-18..
Well SU 30 is not to be neutralized by J10.
J10 is no way near to F22.
Any plane that comes near F22 is Su 30-35
F35 is not air superiority plane its replacement of f16 in coming days.
crankthskunk
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
There are two aspect of what you wrote;
1- Technical education in both theory and practice. It boils down to one simple fact, Pakistans Engineering and Research base. Unless there is a dramatic shift in its Research and Engineering base, practical participation is difficult.
2- Pakistanis due to this fact take full part in technical discussions on its design, manoeuvrability, avionics etc, but practically they can not participate, China has far better technical and engineering base.
3- It is like two partners, one good in its outlook to the technology due to its access to some limited western technologies, and other good in Engineering base and Russian Technologies.
4- China started to move forward in airframe design, electronics and avionics, because of Pakistani co-operation. Pakistani may not offer much technical help hindered due to their limited Engineering base, but they offered lots of know how and information on the technical aspect of fighter jets and avionics. Pakistan has played a crucial part in the production of Chinese AWACS, recently acquired by Pakistan Air Force.
Compare this with India, they boost a lot about their Engineering and manufacturing base, but they are so much behind technical application when it comes to cutting edge technologies that the results are always disappointing.
The embarrassments for Indian are countless, from fiasco in LCA to failed tests in missile technologies, including Brhamos, Arujun tank and so on.
Most of the projects were on borrowed technologies, primarily Russians, but it does not stop Indian boosting of indigenous production. Everyone with the knowledge knows the reality of Indian indigenous weapons.
Comparing to Indian waste of money for decades, Pakistanis have worked intelligently in their pursued of achieving reasonable independence in weapons with limited financial resources they have. Pakistan now produce, tanks, and other arms which goes a long way to have self reliance. JF17 adds another dimension to have domestically produced workhorse. Adding J10 and J11 at later dates would enhance their capabilities to no end. Hopefully with expanding Engineering base and acquired know how, Pakistan will produce J10 and J11 locally. At least Pakistan can not be hamstrung if USA pulls the scam of withdrawing its supply of parts and trade in arms with Pakistan due to sanctions.
Your concerns about SU35 are over stated, it is a better version of SU27, it was formerly known as SU27M. It closely resembles 30MKI which India already posses. It is classified as 4++ generation fighter by Sukhoi and not 5th Generation.
Pakistan shouldnt be too much worried about SU35, but concern should be PAKFA T50, a fifth generation aircraft, if it ever pulled off. Indian also boost wrongly about their participation in the production of PAKFA. Sukhoi director Mikhail Pogosyan said that Indian contribution would be in the form of joint work under the current agreement rather than as a joint venture. In plain English, India are suppose to provide the funding and get the fighters, like they do at the moment, and later on by having an assembly plant set up by Russians in India.
PAKFA T50 is comparable to F22 Raptor, apart from having 360 degree radar coverage it does not have any other significant advantage over F22 Raptor. It is estimated to cost $100 million per unit, but the cost may escalate, like it did for F22 which is over $356 million per unit. After all we know what happened to aircraft carrier Gorkov India ordered.
F22 Raptors production is been halted by USA. It is claimed that every hour of flight time by F22, it needs 30 hours of the maintenance. Jury is still out on PAKFA 50, its capabilities and cost when the project is completed, if it is completed.
When did I say that F-35 is an air superiority aircraft, its a striker lyk f-16.. Agreed wid u..
And I was talking about j-20, I wrote it by mistake, its coming in 2016-17.... F-22 vs Su-35 .wow
They are stopped at 185-7, USAF was claiming that cpu will be under 170 million.[hilar]. IAF is going to get 70 t-50s by 2020 and 50 of them will have 5th generation engines which will be delivered after 2016, by that tym hopefully j-20 will be operational but look at the cost, they are estimating it around 125 million, so do PAF have to pay 2 Billion dollars for 15-18 aircrafts??
Muhammad Tauseef A. Bajwa
Senator (1k+ posts)
JF-17 fighter jets inducted in 26th Squadron of PAF
JF-17 fighter jets inducted in 26th Squadron of PAF
Published: April 11, 2011
Pakistan's JF-17 Thunder Jet fighters have been designed in collaboration with China. PHOTO: FILE
ISLAMABAD:
A Pakistan Air Force spokesperson said on Monday that JF 17 Thunder Jet fighters have been inducted into the PAFs 26th Squadron.
Pakistans JF-17 Thunder Jet fighters have been designed in collaboration with China but have been manufactured indigenously.
The spokesperson said that the induction took place during a special ceremony at a PAF operational base.
Pakistan Air Force chief Rao Qamar Suleman made an address during the ceremony and thanked the Chinese government for its cooperation in preparing the jets.
He said Pakistan is in a state of war and the air force will do everything in its power to defend the nation.
He added the 26th Squadron previously had A5 Jet fighters only and that the JF-17 Jets will also be soon inducted in the 16th Squadron as well.
http://i1.tribune.com.pk/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/JF-171-640x480.jpg
JF-17 fighter jets inducted in 26th Squadron of PAF
Published: April 11, 2011
Pakistan's JF-17 Thunder Jet fighters have been designed in collaboration with China. PHOTO: FILE
ISLAMABAD:
A Pakistan Air Force spokesperson said on Monday that JF 17 Thunder Jet fighters have been inducted into the PAFs 26th Squadron.
Pakistans JF-17 Thunder Jet fighters have been designed in collaboration with China but have been manufactured indigenously.
The spokesperson said that the induction took place during a special ceremony at a PAF operational base.
Pakistan Air Force chief Rao Qamar Suleman made an address during the ceremony and thanked the Chinese government for its cooperation in preparing the jets.
He said Pakistan is in a state of war and the air force will do everything in its power to defend the nation.
He added the 26th Squadron previously had A5 Jet fighters only and that the JF-17 Jets will also be soon inducted in the 16th Squadron as well.
http://i1.tribune.com.pk/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/JF-171-640x480.jpg
