Bride & Groom are ready but not a Secular State!!!

[desan]

 

[Landmark]

Mtlb larki hindu he rehe ghe or larka muslim
Or molvi sab nika kases karwain ghe ?

Tuba tuba

 

[Diesel]

india ma ab nam ki hi musalmani ha..

 

[Imranpak]

Indian Muslim's are a disgrace. When Allah has clearly forbidden Muslim's marrying idolaters these sell outs are mocking divine law. Would be much better if they all converted to Hinduism instead of displaying such hypocrisy . It is no wonder that Allah is punishing them through the RSS and BJP. Ultimately, punishment is always from Allah. Their so so called Muslim's are Hindu bum licker's who would sell their mother's to be accepted. Lanath hai iss ghatiya qom par!

 

[Mughal1]

jab tak log un kitaabun ko samajh ker nahin padhte jin ko woh khudaa ki kitaaben samajhte hen un ka aapas ka koi masla bhi jo khudaa ke mutaliq hai hal nahin ho ga.

sab se pehli baat to ye hai keh kia khudaa insaani shakal main is duniya main aa sakta hai? her giz nahin. kyun nahin? is liye keh khudaa jo hai woh hamesha se hai aur woh hamesha wohee rahe ga jo hai ya jaisa hai. warna us ki zaat per hamaishgi ka itlaaq nahin ho sakta. yani jo hamesha se na ho woh khudaa ho hi nahin sakta aur jo hamesha se khudaa ho woh kisi aur shai main badal hi nahin sakta warna woh woh nahin rehta jo woh tha balkeh woh woh ho jaaye ga jo hamesha se nahin tha.

jis din logoon ko ye baat theek tarah se samajh main aa gayee woh khudaa ke baare main betuke khayalaato nazriyaat se tobah ker len ge. is main sab se badaa qasoor khud ko musalmaan kehlwaane waale un musalmaanu ka hai jinhune quraan per kabhi ghoro fiker kerna gawaara hi nahin kiya. warna is duniya main koi aik shakhs bhi is qisam ke aqeede ka na milta jaise keh hindu ya isaee.

doosri baat ghor se samajhne ki ye hai keh is duniya main quraan ke siwaa koi aik kitaab bhi khudaa ki taraf se hone ka dawaa hi nahin kerti. kia ye baat ajeeb nahin hai keh log logoon ki apni taraf se khudaa ke mutaliq likhi gayee kitaabun ko khudaa ki kitaaben kehte hen. logoon ka ye ahmaq pan door kerna kis ki duty lagayee gayee hai? quraan ko maanane ka dawaa kerne waalun ki. kia ye ahmaq log jaante hen keh un ki ye duty hai khudaa ki traaf se jo quraan ko kabhi ghoro fiker se padhne ki takleef hi gawaara nahin kerte?

lihaaza ahmaq logoon ka khud ko musalmaan kehlwaana ya hindu isse kia farq padta hai jabkeh khud, khud ko musalmaan kehlwaane waale ko ye maloom hi nahin hai keh deene islam kia hai? agar musalmaan aise na hote to kia aaj in ki ye haalat hoti ya ho sakti thi? her giz nahin.

bas itini baat samajhne ki zaroorat hai insaanu ko keh duniya ke sab insaan aapas main bhai bhai hen aur quraan sab ki kitaab hai khudaa ki taraf se. ye baaten khud quraan hi main likhi hui hen. yahee wajah hai sab log is lihaaz se ahle kitaab hi hen. chahe woh us kitaab ko theek tarah se maane ya nahin. maane ge to khud un ka apna hi faaida hai keh in ki zindagiyan jannat ban jaayen gi issi duniya main aapas main aik doosre ki madad se aur agar nahin maane ge to aapas main ladte jhagadte hi rahen ge aur yun aik doosre ki zindagiyan jahanam banaate rahen ge. For a detailed explanation of things about the quran, deen of islam and pakistan see HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE and HERE.

 

[There is only 1]

ویسے مسلمانوں میں لڑکی کی پہلی شادی بغیر ولی کے نہیں ہو سکتی ، جب کہ سیکولر قوانین کے مطابق لڑکی جو چاہے کرے ​

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اس لئے انڈیا میں یہ کیس مضحکہ خیز ہیں جن میں مسلمان لڑکا کسی لڑکی سے بغیر ولی کی اجازت سے شادی کرتا ہے اور سیکولر انڈیا اس میں رکاوٹ ڈالتا ہے ​

 

[Username2020]

jab tak log un kitaabun ko samajh ker nahin padhte jin ko woh khudaa ki kitaaben samajhte hen un ka aapas ka koi masla bhi jo khudaa ke mutaliq hai hal nahin ho ga.

sab se pehli baat to ye hai keh kia khudaa insaani shakal main is duniya main aa sakta hai? her giz nahin. kyun nahin? is liye keh khudaa jo hai woh hamesha se hai aur woh hamesha wohee rahe ga jo hai ya jaisa hai. warna us ki zaat per hamaishgi ka itlaaq nahin ho sakta. yani jo hamesha se na ho woh khudaa ho hi nahin sakta aur jo hamesha se khudaa ho woh kisi aur shai main badal hi nahin sakta warna woh woh nahin rehta jo woh tha balkeh woh woh ho jaaye ga jo hamesha se nahin tha.

jis din logoon ko ye baat theek tarah se samajh main aa gayee woh khudaa ke baare main betuke khayalaato nazriyaat se tobah ker len ge. is main sab se badaa qasoor khud ko musalmaan kehlwaane waale un musalmaanu ka hai jinhune quraan per kabhi ghoro fiker kerna gawaara hi nahin kiya. warna is duniya main koi aik shakhs bhi is qisam ke aqeede ka na milta jaise keh hindu ya isaee.

doosri baat ghor se samajhne ki ye hai keh is duniya main quraan ke siwaa koi aik kitaab bhi khudaa ki taraf se hone ka dawaa hi nahin kerti. kia ye baat ajeeb nahin hai keh log logoon ki apni taraf se khudaa ke mutaliq likhi gayee kitaabun ko khudaa ki kitaaben kehte hen. logoon ka ye ahmaq pan door kerna kis ki duty lagayee gayee hai? quraan ko maanane ka dawaa kerne waalun ki. kia ye ahmaq log jaante hen keh un ki ye duty hai khudaa ki traaf se jo quraan ko kabhi ghoro fiker se padhne ki takleef hi gawaara nahin kerte?

lihaaza ahmaq logoon ka khud ko musalmaan kehlwaana ya hindu isse kia farq padta hai jabkeh khud, khud ko musalmaan kehlwaane waale ko ye maloom hi nahin hai keh deene islam kia hai? agar musalmaan aise na hote to kia aaj in ki ye haalat hoti ya ho sakti thi? her giz nahin.

bas itini baat samajhne ki zaroorat hai insaanu ko keh duniya ke sab insaan aapas main bhai bhai hen aur quraan sab ki kitaab hai khudaa ki taraf se. ye baaten khud quraan hi main likhi hui hen. yahee wajah hai sab log is lihaaz se ahle kitaab hi hen. chahe woh us kitaab ko theek tarah se maane ya nahin. maane ge to khud un ka apna hi faaida hai keh in ki zindagiyan jannat ban jaayen gi issi duniya main aapas main aik doosre ki madad se aur agar nahin maane ge to aapas main ladte jhagadte hi rahen ge aur yun aik doosre ki zindagiyan jahanam banaate rahen ge. For a detailed explanation of things about the quran, deen of islam and pakistan see HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE and HERE.

Who told you or how you can prove kay Quran ka dawa kay yeh god (allah) ki taraf say hai is right. Also how did you come to the conclusion no other group can claim, their book is from God? Judo-Christians claim the same thing about old and new testament that it is from God.

 

[Mughal1]

Who told you or how you can prove kay Quran ka dawa kay yeh god (allah) ki taraf say hai is right. Also how did you come to the conclusion no other group can claim, their book is from God? Judo-Christians claim the same thing about old and new testament that it is from God.

dear username, do you agree with my first point before we go on to the second?

regards and all the best

 

[Vitamin_C]

dear username, do you agree with my first point before we go on to the second?

Your God must be a terrible writer that one can only understand his writing if you read it a certain way.

Could he have not found a better way to deliver his message than to write a book when 98% of the population cannot read and write including the person to whom he is revealing the book. Is he a God or is he Mr.Bean?

This is hilarious but also sad at the same time that so many billions people have been fooled and continue to be fooled by organized religions.

 

[atensari]

غیر مسلم بنیاد پرست سیکولر نقاب لگا کر مذہبی مقاصد حاصل کر رہے ہیں اور مسلمان سیکولر بننے کے چکر میں خوار ہیں​

 

[Citizen X]

Your God must be a terrible writer that one can only understand his writing if you read it a certain way.

Could he have not found a better way to deliver his message than to write a book when 98% of the population cannot read and write including the person to whom he is revealing the book. Is he a God or is he Mr.Bean?

This is hilarious but also sad at the same time that so many billions people have been fooled and continue to be fooled by organized religions.

Yeah he should have streamed his message on Netflix or released a DVD instead. ? ? ? ? ? ?

 

[Username2020]

Who told you or how you can prove kay Quran ka dawa kay yeh god (allah) ki taraf say hai is right. Also how did you come to the conclusion no other group can claim, their book is from God? Judo-Christians claim the same thing about old and new testament that it is from God.

your first point is very vague, what do you mean kay khuda insani shakal nahe lay sakta? Quran and Sunnah is filled with passages where allah has all sort of body parts and they are not even literal. Do you think allah has limitation to what shape he can adopt?

 

[Mughal1]

your first point is very vague, what do you mean kay khuda insani shakal nahe lay sakta? Quran and Sunnah is filled with passages where allah has all sort of body parts and they are not even literal. Do you think allah has limitation to what shape he can adopt?

Dear username, my point is very simple, which is, God is what he is, what he was and what he will be always. In other words nature of being of God is fixed. God cannot be one thing one day and another thing another day and so on and so forth. That which changes its nature of being with time cannot be God.

As for your other question, it seems you have not read books which people attribute to God. Please read them. They do not claim to be from God. People do claim they were written by people who were inspired by God. Had God inspired them, the books which people wrote will have been like the quran. Here is a link where you can see almost all such texts https://www.sacred-texts.com/world.htm , you can find almost all the information you need bout these texts on internet.

You will see how different the quranic text style is from all these texts as I have explained it. If God wanted to pass on his message to people then he did not need to inspire people to write their own stories about God and things but they should have spoken as mouth pieces of God. A clear proof they were not inspired by God but nonetheless they were inspired to write their own thoughts about God and other things. This is why the quran is the only book of its kind in the human world.

You have also raised another question that, how do I know the quran is actual word of God. For that one has to enable oneself to be bale to understand the quran in its proper context. I have explained how one can do that. When you have time please go through my first link above.

regards and all the best.

 

[Mughal1]

Your God must be a terrible writer that one can only understand his writing if you read it a certain way.

Could he have not found a better way to deliver his message than to write a book when 98% of the population cannot read and write including the person to whom he is revealing the book. Is he a God or is he Mr.Bean?

This is hilarious but also sad at the same time that so many billions people have been fooled and continue to be fooled by organized religions.

Dear vitamin c, the main thing you did not talk about is, the purpose. If God has created this creation then it is obvious he did not create it for our purposes for but his own purpose. So God had to do each and everything that fulfilled his purpose. This is why God is bound by this purpose and he cannot act contrary to that purpose no matter what.

The quran is a book that explains that very purpose and it also explains what is our role in this grand scheme of things and how we can fulfil it. In other words the quran tells us what we need to do so that the purpose for which God has created us could become fulfilled.

This very clearly shows that you never learned the needed knowledge to understand the quranic text purposefully properly. Otherwise the nature of your questing will have been very different. You have been spending a lot of time in learning things which are also good but not good enough to help you understand the message in the quran properly.

You do not know and you do not want to know, how to discover proper context of the quranic text. This is why you are confused. You are saying God should have done this or that and the other and that clearly shows you have no idea how to tackle this problem to solve it for yourself. It only shows due to your utter ignorance you have failed very badly to make proper sense of the quranic text the way the quran is. This is why you are suggesting alternative to the quran when the quran makes perfect sense to those who learn how to understand it properly.

You said and I quote, "Your God must be a terrible writer that one can only understand his writing if you read it a certain way." All I can suggest for you is, take a break and start studying the quran the way i suggest. After all we all learn things the way we can make sense of them and not the way we can never understand them.

I hope you come out of your confusion soon.

Regards and all the best.

 

[Vitamin_C]

This is why God is bound by this purpose and he cannot act contrary to that purpose no matter what.

I thought God is almighty and is not bound by anything.

 

[Vitamin_C]

This very clearly shows that you never learned the needed knowledge to understand the quranic text purposefully properly.

Maybe he should have written the book properly so everyone can understand it. Not just Arabs who know how to read and write and to read the book in a certain way.

It just shows that it was written by someone with limited abilities and now we have to pay for that by trying to learn how to read it in a specific manner. Definitely not something that a creator of 400 billion galaxies would do.

 

[Username2020]

Dear username, my point is very simple, which is, God is what he is, what he was and what he will be always. In other words nature of being of God is fixed. God cannot be one thing one day and another thing another day and so on and so forth. That which changes its nature of being with time cannot be God.

As for your other question, it seems you have not read books which people attribute to God. Please read them. They do not claim to be from God. People do claim they were written by people who were inspired by God. Had God inspired them, the books which people wrote will have been like the quran. Here is a link where you can see almost all such texts https://www.sacred-texts.com/world.htm , you can find almost all the information you need bout these texts on internet.

You will see how different the quranic text style is from all these texts as I have explained it. If God wanted to pass on his message to people then he did not need to inspire people to write their own stories about God and things but they should have spoken as mouth pieces of God. A clear proof they were not inspired by God but nonetheless they were inspired to write their own thoughts about God and other things. This is why the quran is the only book of its kind in the human world.

You have also raised another question that, how do I know the quran is actual word of God. For that one has to enable oneself to be bale to understand the quran in its proper context. I have explained how one can do that. When you have time please go through my first link above.

regards and all the best.

Dear Mughal,
Thank you for having a decent conversation as it it certainly not a norm on this forum atleast. The Jewish view of god claims he is very much that you have said, BUT they do believe in a Messiah that comes from the eternity (means he is out of realm of time) The very nature of god is complex to comprehend even in old testament. Just to quote 1 passage, read from old testament book (Micah chapter 5 verse 2 - 3) The Christians believe that Messiah to be Jesus, who possess the same nature of God and share the same being. By your standard of the Quranic text, this is solely based on the testimony of one person "Muhammad - The prophet of islam" . The Quran is his prove and HIS prove of being a prophet is Quran. This is a circular reasoning and does not lead anywhere. It is very well documented on how there are several qurans in the world even right now. Hafz edition being the one standardize in 1924 and largely used in Islamic world. In short even quran doesn't fit the same criteria you have laid, It is the book revealed by a man, who never talked to his god face to face and his followers thought of him being divine and copied it much much later in form of a book shattering the tradition of Hafiz e quran.

 

[Mughal1]

I thought God is almighty and is not bound by anything.

Dear vitamin c, if God was not bound by anything then how could he be believed about anything at all? I mean he made a lot of promises with humanity and if he is not bound by his words then is there any point in faith in words of God? As I already said, you come across as a very confused person in this regard. Hope you improve your reasoning. Even suppositions need ability of consistency in reasoning.

regards and all the best

 

[Mughal1]

Maybe he should have written the book properly so everyone can understand it. Not just Arabs who know how to read and write and to read the book in a certain way.

It just shows that it was written by someone with limited abilities and now we have to pay for that by trying to learn how to read it in a specific manner. Definitely not something that a creator of 400 billion galaxies would do.

Dear vitamin c, stop looking at God as a human baby. The quran is perfect as it is for the purpose it is revealed. All you need to do is learn how to make proper sense of it. If you don't you will remain confused for as long as you do not. However it is all up to you.


regards and all the best.

 

[Vitamin_C]

Dear vitamin c, if God was not bound by anything then how could he be believed about anything at all? I mean he made a lot of promises with humanity and if he is not bound by his words then is there any point in faith in words of God? As I already said, you come across as a very confused person in this regard. Hope you improve your reasoning. Even suppositions need ability of consistency in reasoning.

regards and all the best

Its a logical question. If Quran says God is almightly and omnipotent, it means that he is not bound by anything. But if he is bound by certain things that means he is not omnipotent and almighty, its a logical contradiction. God cannot be Omnipotent and bound at the same time.