best reference from Quran against DEMOCRACY.

[atensari]

quran ki samajh ki bunyaad aqalo fahem hai warna insaan aik jaanwar hai. yahan democracy ki nafi nahin hai balkeh behs ilmo jahalaat main farq par hai. jahiloon ki aksriyat jahil hi ho gi aur ehle ilm ki aksariyat ehle ilm ki hi aksriyat ho gi.

ehle ilm woh hen jin ko ilm ki aqdaar ka ilm hai is liye woh baatun ko apne maqaam ke ehtbaar se samajhte hen mehz bebunyaad maloomaat ko ilm nahin kehte woh sirf maloomaat hi hen.

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کیا ٥١% حلال کو حرام اور حرام کو حلال قرار دے سکتے ہیں؟
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[Wadaich]

ہے وہی سازِ کہن مغرب کا جمہوری نظام
جس کے پردوں میں نہیں غیر از نوائے قیصری
دیو اِستبداد جمہوری قبا ٰمٰیں پائے کوب
تو سمجھتا ہے یہ آزادی کی ہے نیلم پری
مجلسِ آئین و اصلاح و رعایات و حقوق
طب مغرب میں مزے میٹھے اثر خواب آوری...............................................................................................................................
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اُٹھا کے پھینک دو باہر گلی میں
نئ تہذیب کے انڈے ہیں گندے
الکشن، ممبری، کونسل، صدارت
بنائے خوب آزادی نے پھندے
میاں نجار بھی چھیلے گئے ساتھ
نہایت تیز ہیں یورپ کے رندے

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[MENTION=10641]wadaich[/MENTION],
[MENTION=17789]WatanDost[/MENTION],
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Demoncrazy is a system whose prerequisite is tear nations body into two halves for its existence. More the parts of your nation's body the more naked is dance of the devil.

 

[QaiserMirza]

اس تھریڈ کو شروع کرنے کا مقصد یہ تھا کہ میرا جو حاصل مطالعہ ہے اس کو دوسروں تک پہنچوں تاکہ اور لوگ بھی مستفید ہوں اور اگر آپ بھی چاہیں تو اپنا نکتہ فہم بتائیں
مختلف علما ایک ہی آیت پر مختلف نظریہ رکھتے ہیں ، اس ختلاف کا مطلب کبھی بھی قران کی تعلیمات سے انحراف نہیں ہوتا بلکہ اس کی تشریح ہوتی ہے
میرا مقصد بھی یہ ہی تھا کہ ہم اپنے اپنے خیالات دوسروں تک پہنچائیں ، شاید اس طرح ہم الله کے پیغام کو زیادہ بہتر انداز سے سمجھ سکیں
یہ ہی بہترین علم ہے کہ خود بھی سیکھیں اور دوسروں کو منتقل کریں


مگر ٨٠ سے زیادہ پوسٹ پڑھ کر اپنا سر ہی پیٹنے کو دل چاہتا ہے
پھر یقین اور مستحکم ہوجاتا ہے الله کے کلام پر کہ اکثریت کے کہنے پر چلو گے تو وہ تم کو زمین میں دھنسا دیں گے


علما اکرام نے اپنی ساری زندگیاں لگا دیں علم حاصل کرنے کے لیے
حضرت عمر نے کئی سال صرف سورہ بقرہ سمجھنے میں صرف کیے ، کیا وہ صاحب لسان نہیں تھے
ہماری کیا حیثیت ، ہم تو ان کی جوتیوں کے خاک کے برابر بھی نہیں
اسی لیے ہم کوشش کرتے ہیں کہ ان ہستیوں سے فیض حاصل کریں جنہوں نے اپنی زندگیاں لگا دیں الله کے راستے میں


اس تھریڈ کا رخ کسی اور ہی طرف موڑ دیا گیا ، جہاں سب نے اپنے اپنے دل کی بھڑاس بھی نکال دی
مجھ کو برا بھلا بھی کہا گیا ، اور بھی بہت کچھ سننے کو ملا
جب بھی مجھے سے کوئی اختلاف کرتا ہے اور تو میں اپنے آپ کی اصلاح کرنے کی کوشش کرتا ہوں
اور اگر میں اپنے آپ کو غلطی پر پاتا ہوں تو الله کا شکر ادا کرتا ہوں کہ اس نے مجھ کو سیدھی راہ دکھائی اور دعا کرتا ہوں اس کے لیے جس نے میری اصلاح کی
اور جب گالیاں اور برا سنتا ہوں تو بھی الله کا شکر ادا کرتا ہوں کہ اس نے میرے حسنات میں اضافہ فرمایا


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[1 ummah]

Are qaiser bhai yeh aayat mutlaq nahin hai warna is ki zad se mullah bhai bhi nahin bach sakte.

asal baat yeh hai keh insaanu ki ziyaada tadaad ilm nahin rakhti thi jab quran naazil hua tha aur jab bhi yeh haalat ho gi zahir hai duniya gumrah hi ho gi aur rehe gi. ilm ke baghair insaan aik jaanwar se ziyada kuchh nahin hai.

ehle ilm jab duniya main ziyaada hun ge tab is aayat ka itlaaq majority par nahin ho ga.

rahee democracy ki baat to woh agar insaanu ko fil waaqe hi haqe khud ikhtiyaari deti hai to yahee islam ka pehla usool hai. Freedom of man from man is fundamental principle of islam or rather foundation of islam. apne chaice se aadmi jo kare us ka woh khud zimmadaar hai.

western democracy main maal chalta hai is liye yeh paise waalun ki taaqat ka rule hai. agar paise ka zor bhi darmyaan se hataa diya jaaye to phir western democracy aur isamic democracy main koi farq nahin rehta. yeh infraadi haqooq ki baat hai agar sab ko yaksaan haqooq haasil ho jaayen to phir slavery of man by another man becomes obsolete. aaj ka dor bhi baadshaahat hi ka dor hai haan farq yeh hai ke aaj kisi aik shakhs ki apni badni taaqat ke zariye baadshahat nahin hai na hi ilm ke zariye hai. aaj daulat waalun ki aapas main saazbaaz ke zariye hakoomatun kaa dor hai. isi hisaab se qanoon banaaye jaate hen jo sirf daulat mand logoon ko hi suit karte hen ghareebun ko nahin.

democracy asal main tab ho gi jab islam poora poora nafiz ho ga aik dastoor ki hesiyat se aur qanoon ki baaladasti ho gi ashkhaas ki nahin. na koi haakim ho ga na mahkoom balkeh sab qanoon ke paband hun ge.

omg!! mughal! wasnt expecting this from u! ... ur defining majority is ok but ur democrazy= islam philosophy was shock!

 

[1 ummah]

bro,may Allah give ajar 4 ur efforts...
democracy is kufar has many evidences, u particularly mentioning "majority" issue indeed Allah has touched every topic,subhanallah!
as our aqeeda is ,we r obliged to obey Allah, n in many ayas Allah tells not to follow desires of ppl n obey Allah, and ALLAH says " no man or woman has right to decide on a matter wen Allah has decided about it!"
and Allah says " hukm to sirf allah ka hai".....

 

[drmanzoormian]

Interesting subject. All subscribes have been upset and scornful: Is it democracy preached.

First lesson of democracy is respect of others' views, tolerance- whether you like them or not.

U find mullas' yelling on each other five times a day without regard notwithstanding, there is any one sick, a student preparing for exams or some body trying to sleep or relax after long days hard work. Don't tell me me these mullas and 95 % illiterate, jahil crowds are wrong.
5% so called SAMAJDAR and literate should go away and live in dens/jungles.

Good luck; you are not going any where, this is our destiny.

 

[Mughal1]

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کیا ٥١% حلال کو حرام اور حرام کو حلال قرار دے سکتے ہیں؟
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jahan tak dastoor ka taluq hai woh to khudaa ke siwaa ka haq hi nahin hai haan khudaa ne khud hi insaanu ko haq diya hai keh woh us ke diye hue usoolun ke mutaabiq qawaneen banaayen.

jo qawaneen log basaboot khudayee usoolun ke mutaabiq banaayen woh khudaa ke qawaneen hi tasawwur hun ge.

Allah ke halaalo haraam ko bila daleel apni taraf se idhar udhar karna khilaafe islam hai kyunkeh is islam ka maqsad hi fot ho jaata hai.

asal behs yeh hai jis cheez ko log halal yaa haraam kehte hen kia woh qurani usoolun ke teht halaalo haram saabit ki jaa sakti hai? maslan nahaq kisi ko qatal kar dena haraam hai. is baat main to koi shak kar hi nahin sakta keh aisa karna ghalat hai magar jab ham is baat ka itlaaq karen kisi waaqe par to phir ham ko uljanu ka saamna ho ga. yani agar kisi ne kisi ko qatal kar diya hai to ab uljhan is baat main ho gi ke aaya yeh qatal nahaq tha ya jaaiz.

isi tarah har aik qanoon bhi zaroori nahin hai ke woh drust akhaz kiya gayaa ho. maslan murtad ke qatal ka maamla. is main na qanoon ko drust saabit kiya jaa sakta aur na hi is qanoon ke itlaaq ke baare main asaani se kisi saaf saaf nateeje per pohncha jaa sakta hai.

isi liye qanooni behsen asaan nahin hen ke har koi uth kar doosre per fatwe lagaata phire.

aaj hamaare samne khud yeh masla bana huwa hai keh court ki kia hesiyat hai aur parliament ki kia hesiyat aur bade bade mareene qanoon uljhan main hen.

abhi tak kisi molvi ne bhi koi mashwara nahin diya keh baladasti kis ko hai. yaheen pohnch kar pata chalta hai koi kitne paani main hai.

 

[Mughal1]

Demoncrazy is a system whose prerequisite is tear nations body into two halves for its existence. More the parts of your nation's body the more naked is dance of the devil.

Dear wadaich, you have raised a very important point. division if based upon negative discrimination then it is exactly as you stated and that is what is wrong with western democracy because it began on the basis various parties with various conflicting interests eg industrialists' party v labourers' party. but concept of majority rule in itself is not wrong ie if the main interest is freedom, justice, fairness, compassion, brotherhood, progress and prosperity for sake of peace between all involved then matters can be decided based upon majority decisions. It is because values and principles are important upon which decisions are required or based. So long as we have discrimination for positive reasons ie organisational and management purposes then it is fine.

 

[Mughal1]

omg!! mughal! wasnt expecting this from u! ... ur defining majority is ok but ur democrazy= islam philosophy was shock!

No dear 1 ummah, democracy does not equal islam but democracy as a rule based upon majority decision is fine because that is the right given to people by Allah. For example, we cannot force convert people to islam and likewise we cannot form or implement any laws without majority accepting them. We have history as a witness that people never abide by laws they do not like and they cannot be enforced either because we can never have 24x7 watch over every individual. So people who do not like a law they will break it especially when there is no one watching them.

This is why it is stupid even think about forcing people into doing something against their will never mind calling such a silly idea islamic. islamic democracy is free of personal interests because it is community based system rather than individualism. I was just talking about democracy as a decision making process or mechanism but thanks for helping me clear the confusion.

regards and all the best.

 

[QaiserMirza]

Interesting subject. All subscribes have been upset and scornful: Is it democracy preached.

First lesson of democracy is respect of others' views, tolerance- whether you like them or not.

U find mullas' yelling on each other five times a day without regard notwithstanding, there is any one sick, a student preparing for exams or some body trying to sleep or relax after long days hard work. Don't tell me me these mullas and 95 % illiterate, jahil crowds are wrong.
5% so called SAMAJDAR and literate should go away and live in dens/jungles.

Good luck; you are not going any where, this is our destiny.

کیا آپ کی مراد پانچ وقت کی آذان سے ہے ?

 

[1 ummah]

No dear 1 ummah, democracy does not equal islam but democracy as a rule based upon majority decision is fine because that is the right given to people by Allah. For example, we cannot force convert people to islam and likewise we cannot form or implement any laws without majority accepting them. We have history as a witness that people never abide by laws they do not like and they cannot be enforced either because we can never have 24x7 watch over every individual. So people who do not like a law they will break it especially when there is no one watching them.

This is why it is stupid even think about forcing people into doing something against their will never mind calling such a silly idea islamic. islamic democracy is free of personal interests because it is community based system rather than individualism. I was just talking about democracy as a decision making process or mechanism but thanks for helping me clear the confusion.

regards and all the best.

as if the current system is not by force n we r very happily accepting all the tax,it is withour FREE will we are being bombed,we agreed to have rulers who we know do nothing but credit their accounts around the world!
we do let the gov implement laws what ever they want coz they have power not we,the only option is rebel!!! (as/or they are corrupt)
we are muslims we agree to live according to islam
a very few %age of who finds islam eu! but they will abide !
democracy today is not in its pure "true" form besides the very fact its against our aqeeda n is kufr/shirk!..
it was a revolution as result of zulm of monarchy ppl decided to change this 1 man dictatorship, n give ppl the power to have rules which they mutually agree for n so on!

rules are broken in every systen and in every time! thats y Allah HAS GIVEN PUNISHMENTS TO BE IMPLEMENTED (like rest of rules,n no pick n choose is allowed,nor partial implementation allowed)
n we shud keep in mind AQEEDA! islamic system is such a system which purifies hearts,as socity and education etc will be accordingly..
n when u say "we cannot convert ppl by force"...this is rule by Allah, we didnt decided we wont do this!
n rules wen given by Allah have to be forced!
when ur kid wants to play with fire u wont give him "freedom" to do so! similar is islam Allah ki baat as Allah subhanawatalla says; u might dislike somthing we command or like somthing forbiden! but ur aql is mehdood, so in front of Allah's decisions ur is as nuksandeh n foolish as adult n kid..!
leme tell u today u trade with india,besides apparent conditions n all r not gud 4 us, it is haram, to have contract/treaty with those who are in war with muslims...in case u forgot.. india is openly on war,killing n invading muslims n islamic land...
just trying to tell how majority allowed wat Allah declared haram..
democrcy is free will bul...t but islam is will to Allah's COMMANDS!! n thats y democrazy is haram!

 

[1 ummah]

کیا آپ کی مراد پانچ وقت کی آذان سے ہے ?

qaisr bro, Allah has allowed us not 2 do dawah,wen we dont think the person wud ever take hadaya...i sujest ..ignore as hearts n eyes seem sealed..
indeed Allah GIVES HADAYA...

 

[QaiserMirza]

qaisr bro, Allah has allowed us not 2 do dawah,wen we dont think the person wud ever take hadaya...i sujest ..ignore as hearts n eyes seem sealed..
indeed Allah GIVES HADAYA...

ہمیں نہیں معلوم کس کے دل میں کیا ہے
ہمارا کام الله کے پیغام کو دوسروں تک پہنچانا ہے
اسی طرح نبی کا کام بھی الله کے پیغام کو پہنچانا ہے
ہدایت دینا الله کا کام ہے ، جس کو چاہے دے
اسی طرح ہدایت مانگنے سے ہی ملتی ہے
مثال ابو طالب کی ہے ، نبی کی خواہش کے باوجود انھوں نے ہدایت نہیں مانگی
اور نبی کی دلی خواہش کے باوجود اسلام قبول کیے بغیر اس دنیا سے چلے گیے​

 

[QaiserMirza]

 

[QaiserMirza]

 

[Hasan Bin Tariq]

Bhai ne Jo ayat quote ki ha Sura Al inam, 16, us se ghalat mafhoom nikala ja rha ha!!

AKSARIAT (Majority) ghalat ho skti ha, but is ka ye matlab ni ha k DEMOCRACY(consultative) System hi ghalat ha! Quran mein sirf ek ni muttadid ayat han jo Consultation and bahemi mushawarat ki taleem deti han,

Some for reference:

1-Sura Al Shura, ayat 38
2-Sura Al Imran, ayat 159
3-Sura Al Mujadila, ayat 11
4-Sura Al Mujadila, ayat 09
5-Sura Al Noor, ayat 62

Aur bahemi mushawarat (Shura) ka matlab hi yehi hota ha k consensus se decision liya jayega! otherwise agar sirf chnd log hi decision le len jo minority mein ho to kabhi bhi wo decision agreement se implement ni ho payega, agar hoga bhi to sirf zabardasti se!!

Aur Rahi bat aksariat ki to wo Ghalat bhi ho skti ha aur sahi bhi!! Aur Quran men mutaddid maqamat par ye aya ha k Aksariat mushrikon ki ha, Aksariat iman na lane walon ki ha, and so on.

Aur jis Ayat ko bhai ne quote kia ha us k akhir ka hisa hi dekh lijiye! Aksariat se murad wo log han jo Dalail se bat ni karte balke apni man mani chahte han aur sirf apni soch ko hi muqaddam rakhte han!!

Lekin agar aksariat Iman walon ki (Muslims) ki ho Jaye to tab bhi Aap yehi kahn ge k Yeh GUMRAH han aur jhoot bolte han aur ALLAH k raste se dur kardenge??

Aur Akhir mein, Ap ye bata dein k "Khilafat" mein kya hota ha?? Kya us mein majority ka decision FINAL ni hota?? Agr for example, 10 elected members ki cabinet ha, aur un ko ek KHALIFA elect karna ha to kese karenge?? Majority Votes hi count hote han!!


Thank you