Be aware of fabricated Ahadeeth
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Aur Andhoon say, aur bahr chall par chalnay waloon say,
aur sumum, bukyun type waloon say.................................
such bolo
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
اور غلام احمد پرویز کے اندھے مقلدوں سے;)
WatanDost
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
atensari
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Can you show me where did I said those books were compiled (not written) during the life of Prophet. How far Mr b and G are from the Time of Prophet?
لَّقَدْ كَانَ لَكُمْ فِى رَسُولِ ٱللَّهِ أُسْوَةٌ حَسَنَةٌۭ لِّمَن كَانَ يَرْجُوا۟ ٱللَّهَ وَٱلْيَوْمَ ٱلْءَاخِرَ وَذَكَرَ ٱللَّهَ كَثِيرًۭا {33:21**
Assuredly there hath been for you: in the apostle of Allah an excellent pattern for him who hopeth in Allah and the Last Day and remembereth Allah much.
تم کو پیغمبر خدا کی پیروی (کرنی) بہتر ہے (یعنی) اس شخص کو جسے خدا (سے ملنے) اور روز قیامت (کے آنے) کی اُمید ہو اور وہ خدا کا ذکر کثرت سے کرتا ہو
What is the better source to know the Auswa of Rasool, Saheehan or b and G.
[MENTION=6134]atensari[/MENTION],
a) Allah's book is complete for those who wish to do good;
b) Itbaha-e-Quran is Hukam of Allah as far as Book is concerned;
c) The best source of knowing about Huswa Husna is Quran;
d) last and not least also remember Huswa Husna of Ibrahim(as);
a) Allah's book is complete for those who wish to do good;
b) Itbaha-e-Quran is Hukam of Allah as far as Book is concerned;
c) The best source of knowing about Huswa Husna is Quran;
d) last and not least also remember Huswa Husna of Ibrahim(as);
pathseeker
Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
- [h=2]Fitna Munkareen-e-Hadith[/h]
atensari
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a. Did I said Quran is not complete? Are you sure you never have to look outside Quran to do good?
b. Is Itabha-e-Rasool is not Hukam of Allah?
d. Hadeeth is second best source to know Huswa Hasana
pathseeker
Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
[MENTION=7169]babadeena[/MENTION]
:You_Rock_Emoticon:
what an understanding of QURAN!
:You_Rock_Emoticon:
a) I give you verse from Quran, what lesson you derive from that? If Quran caters the needs, then
no need to look around?
b) yes it is, but depends what you mean by itabha-e-rasool. (for you it is Sahi Bukhairi for me not);
d) Hadeeth. One has to remain very careful, neither to reject outrightly nor to accept blindly, specially
when it is proved that there were fabricated and there is possibility.
You do not understand even two clear verses pasted in previous posts and come
here to discuss with copy n paste.
w-a-n-t-e-d-
Minister (2k+ posts)
Munkireen hadith mirza ghulam ahmad parvez say Allah swt siasat pk k adim say lay kar akhri guest tak k imaan ki hifazat farmayin ameen
atensari
(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
a. What lesson is given in this Ayat:
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Say thou: if ye, are wont to love Allah, then follow me, and Allah shall rove you and forgive you your sins; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
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b. If you think a person far from Prophet time can describe Auswa e Hasana better then a person who was close, I am not with you.
c. Your company need to took some pains and compile the Hadeeth with reasons they think don't worth accepting.
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Identifying hadiths from false ones has become more of a game than
a task...
What is Sahih in ones madhab, it is batil in the other...
Unless one knows the true usuls surrounding the acceptance and the rejection of the hadiths, he or she will not be in a proper position to judge what is Sahih and what is Batil...
The easy way forward...explained by the Prophet himself:
"Take what agrees with the Quran and leave what disagrees with it"
a task...
What is Sahih in ones madhab, it is batil in the other...
Unless one knows the true usuls surrounding the acceptance and the rejection of the hadiths, he or she will not be in a proper position to judge what is Sahih and what is Batil...
The easy way forward...explained by the Prophet himself:
"Take what agrees with the Quran and leave what disagrees with it"
When I wrote that "ALL DIFFERENCES AND DISPUTES IN ISLAMIC UMMAH ARE\
DUE TO HADITHS", people come to my head and start accusing me. You take any matter
of difference, either between Shias and Sunnis, or among Sunnis and among Shias, and
then all other sects, every road will be leading towards "Hadiths". I really wonder one thing,
when the command for Salaat came for the very first time to our Prophet(PBUH), it was
shown to the people:
a) what to recite;
b) how much to recite;
c) how to recite
Then either the salaat kept on changing or Hadith kept on changing, otherwise it should have
been one and only one Hadith.
[MENTION=6134]atensari[/MENTION],
I would have loved to reply to your post, but since it is off-topic. You can start
another thread on "Itbah-e-Rasool", what it means according to your view or your
Imam's view. It will be discussed. Here on this topic, you please discuss how it
is possible to fabricate a Hadith, is it still being fabricated or twisted and how it
is not possible to alter Quran, never and never.
I would have loved to reply to your post, but since it is off-topic. You can start
another thread on "Itbah-e-Rasool", what it means according to your view or your
Imam's view. It will be discussed. Here on this topic, you please discuss how it
is possible to fabricate a Hadith, is it still being fabricated or twisted and how it
is not possible to alter Quran, never and never.
Deene islam par bahot kaam ki zaroorat hai takeh deen ki asliyat ham logoon ki samajh main aa sake.
masala sirf yeh nahin hai keh sirf quran ko samajhne ki zaroorat hai bulkeh hadeeth ko bhi samajhne ki zaroorat hai.
Jis tarha qurani ilfaaz ko ghalat salat maani diye ge hen isi tarha hadeeson ke ilfaaz ko bhi ghalat salat maani diye ge hen jis ki waja se bahot se rawayaat ko ghalat samajh ki waja se bebunyaad qaraar de diya gaya hai.
ummat agar ikhtilafaat ka khaatma chahti hai to phir islami abaaraat par phir se teqeeq ki zaroorat hai takeh aik aik lafz par khoob ghoro fikf kar ke un ke mataalib maloom kiya jaaye.
Quran aur saheeh ahadeeth main tasaadum mumkin hi nahin hai lakin museebat yeh aan padi hai keh ham logoon ne ilfaaz ke maani par sochna band kar diya hai. hamare paas ilfaaz ke maani ka zakhira bahot hi kam hota aur phir un cheezun ka bhi ham ko pata nahin hota jo quran aur hadith main zare behs laayee gaee hen.
jab ilfaaz ke aik aad maani ke siwaa aur maani maloom hi nahin hoon ge ya phir aik aik lafaz par koi bhi kabhi bhi ghor hi nahin kare ga to phir nateeja khud hi zahir hai.
kyun keh abaartun ka siyaqo sabaaq maloom karna itna aasan nahin jitna keh samja jaata hai.
is ka andaaza har shakhs quran ki choti choti soortun ko pad kar lagaa sakta hai keh kia oot pataang tarjame kiye ge hen. quran ki abaarat main koi nazmo zabt hi maloom nahin padta. saaf maloom hota hai keh jin loggon ne tarjme kiye hen woh baat ko bilkul hi nahin samjhe.
is liye ham sab ko koshish karni chahiye keh waqt quran ko samajhne main sarf karen aur jo hazraat bhi beqaar kisam ki behsun main waqat zaaya kar rehe hen bebunyaad aqaaid ko saabit karne ke liye un ka is taraf tawajo dena bahot hi zaroori. Is se aik teer se do shikaar ho jaayen ge. apne khayalaat ki drustgi bhi ho jaaye gi aur doosrun ki madad bhi agar aap khud kisi saabit shuda nateeje par pohnche..
Yeh baat ab teh shuda hai ke islam main mullaiyat ki koi gunjaaish nahin hai aur na hi malukiyati nazriyaat ki aur na us tarz par waza kiye ge qawaaneen ki jin ko molvi log shareeat ka naam de kar islam ko jad se ukhaad rehe hen aur is ko duniya main badtareen mazhab saabit kar rehe hen jis se log door bhaag rehe hen.
yahee waja hai mullah geeri bahot hi badnaam ho chuki hai.
aik baat sab ko achhi tarah samajh leni chahiye keh jab tak ham log mazhab aur mazhabi peshwaiyat se peecha nahin chhudwaayen ge aur jab tak ham log jageerdaari zehniyat se peechha nahin chhudwaayen ge ham duniya main zaleel hote rehe ge. ham logoon main bhaichara qaayem nahin ho sakta.
is ki waja yeh hai keh hamaare darmiyan tamaam tar ikhtilaafaat in dono cheezun ki pedawaar hen.
masala sirf yeh nahin hai keh sirf quran ko samajhne ki zaroorat hai bulkeh hadeeth ko bhi samajhne ki zaroorat hai.
Jis tarha qurani ilfaaz ko ghalat salat maani diye ge hen isi tarha hadeeson ke ilfaaz ko bhi ghalat salat maani diye ge hen jis ki waja se bahot se rawayaat ko ghalat samajh ki waja se bebunyaad qaraar de diya gaya hai.
ummat agar ikhtilafaat ka khaatma chahti hai to phir islami abaaraat par phir se teqeeq ki zaroorat hai takeh aik aik lafz par khoob ghoro fikf kar ke un ke mataalib maloom kiya jaaye.
Quran aur saheeh ahadeeth main tasaadum mumkin hi nahin hai lakin museebat yeh aan padi hai keh ham logoon ne ilfaaz ke maani par sochna band kar diya hai. hamare paas ilfaaz ke maani ka zakhira bahot hi kam hota aur phir un cheezun ka bhi ham ko pata nahin hota jo quran aur hadith main zare behs laayee gaee hen.
jab ilfaaz ke aik aad maani ke siwaa aur maani maloom hi nahin hoon ge ya phir aik aik lafaz par koi bhi kabhi bhi ghor hi nahin kare ga to phir nateeja khud hi zahir hai.
kyun keh abaartun ka siyaqo sabaaq maloom karna itna aasan nahin jitna keh samja jaata hai.
is ka andaaza har shakhs quran ki choti choti soortun ko pad kar lagaa sakta hai keh kia oot pataang tarjame kiye ge hen. quran ki abaarat main koi nazmo zabt hi maloom nahin padta. saaf maloom hota hai keh jin loggon ne tarjme kiye hen woh baat ko bilkul hi nahin samjhe.
is liye ham sab ko koshish karni chahiye keh waqt quran ko samajhne main sarf karen aur jo hazraat bhi beqaar kisam ki behsun main waqat zaaya kar rehe hen bebunyaad aqaaid ko saabit karne ke liye un ka is taraf tawajo dena bahot hi zaroori. Is se aik teer se do shikaar ho jaayen ge. apne khayalaat ki drustgi bhi ho jaaye gi aur doosrun ki madad bhi agar aap khud kisi saabit shuda nateeje par pohnche..
Yeh baat ab teh shuda hai ke islam main mullaiyat ki koi gunjaaish nahin hai aur na hi malukiyati nazriyaat ki aur na us tarz par waza kiye ge qawaaneen ki jin ko molvi log shareeat ka naam de kar islam ko jad se ukhaad rehe hen aur is ko duniya main badtareen mazhab saabit kar rehe hen jis se log door bhaag rehe hen.
yahee waja hai mullah geeri bahot hi badnaam ho chuki hai.
aik baat sab ko achhi tarah samajh leni chahiye keh jab tak ham log mazhab aur mazhabi peshwaiyat se peecha nahin chhudwaayen ge aur jab tak ham log jageerdaari zehniyat se peechha nahin chhudwaayen ge ham duniya main zaleel hote rehe ge. ham logoon main bhaichara qaayem nahin ho sakta.
is ki waja yeh hai keh hamaare darmiyan tamaam tar ikhtilaafaat in dono cheezun ki pedawaar hen.
