The attack on Ahmediya community in Lahore and the subsequent attack in Jinnah hospital does point towards a disturbing presence of militants in Punjab. So were all of these foreign elements? They must have network in Punjab which is why the attacks were well coordinated. The Taliban are barbarians please do not bifurcate them on ethnic lines and they are present all over Pakistan so we have to act wherever these miscreants are present.
America Punjab mai b army operation karwana chahta hai | The war on terror comes to Punjab|Blackwate
greywolf
Councller (250+ posts)
hahahahahaha .... mere bhai ... mere pyaray bhai .... If Lahore attacks are the proofs of militants' presence ..... then I strongly endorse that first and foremost operation must be done in New York ... remember 9/11 happened there and then Times Square ...... LOL!
wanderer
Siasat.pk - Blogger
Seriously ?!?!?!?
U panic NOW ?!?!?! Suddenly.. everyone wakes up ?
Rana Tahir Mahmood
Senator (1k+ posts)
It must be a joke?
greywolf
Councller (250+ posts)
Satire actually ... he means perhaps we should never stop at anything ... even we must be subjugated by these three musketeers US, India and Israel and even then some Pakistanis would be singing star-spangled banner. duhhhhh
Rana Tahir Mahmood
Senator (1k+ posts)
Well said........................
Ammad Hafeez
Minister (2k+ posts)
Pakistan rules out offensive against Punjab militants
Militancy seems to be gaining ground in PunjabPakistani Interior Minister Rehman Malik has stressed there are no plans for military action against militants in the Punjab province.
His remarks came hours after he told a parliamentary committee that "Punjabi Taliban" were entrenched in southern parts of Punjab.
Mr Malik said they were planning to destabilise the country.
Few Pakistani officials have acknowledged the existence of militant bases in Punjab despite media reports.
Over the past few years Pakistan has been waging a bitter battle against militants in the north of the country.
Any suggestion that the war is now spreading to the rest of Pakistan would raise concerns about the country's stability - both at home and abroad.
'Effective action'Mr Malik's comments come days after militants killed more than 90 people in attacks on two mosques of the minority Ahmedi Muslim community in Lahore.
Most Pakistani militancy has been in the north-westThe attacks are being blamed on what are called the Punjabi Taliban, a loose alliance of militant groups linked to Taliban and al-Qaeda militants in Pakistan's north-western tribal areas.
The Punjab Chief Minister, Shahbaz Sharif, accused Mr Malik of "provincialism" for his use of the term "Punjabi Taliban".
This is the first time a top government minister has acknowledged that militants have bases in southern parts of Punjab province, which houses more than half of the country's population.
"No military operation is planned against banned [militant] outfits in Punjab... [but] effective action would jointly be taken [with the Punjab government] to eliminate them," Pakistan's official APP news agency quoted him as telling journalists on Wednesday.
Earlier, while briefing a parliamentary interior committee meeting, Mr Malik said groups of "Punjabi Taliban" had been involved in attacks in Islamabad, Rawalpindi, Lahore and elsewhere in Punjab province.
He said these groups were entrenched in Punjab and were becoming increasingly dangerous.
Most parliamentarians from southern Punjab have been reluctant publicly to admit the existence of militants there, presumably due to reasons of personal security.
The ruling party of the Punjab province, the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) has also sought to dispel media reports that Taliban fighters hailing from Punjab province may have hideouts there.
A top minister of Punjab, Rana Sanaullah, recently attracted criticism for seeking the support of a militant organisation, Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan, during a by-election in March.
Source
His remarks came hours after he told a parliamentary committee that "Punjabi Taliban" were entrenched in southern parts of Punjab.
Mr Malik said they were planning to destabilise the country.
Few Pakistani officials have acknowledged the existence of militant bases in Punjab despite media reports.
Over the past few years Pakistan has been waging a bitter battle against militants in the north of the country.
Any suggestion that the war is now spreading to the rest of Pakistan would raise concerns about the country's stability - both at home and abroad.
'Effective action'Mr Malik's comments come days after militants killed more than 90 people in attacks on two mosques of the minority Ahmedi Muslim community in Lahore.
The Punjab Chief Minister, Shahbaz Sharif, accused Mr Malik of "provincialism" for his use of the term "Punjabi Taliban".
This is the first time a top government minister has acknowledged that militants have bases in southern parts of Punjab province, which houses more than half of the country's population.
"No military operation is planned against banned [militant] outfits in Punjab... [but] effective action would jointly be taken [with the Punjab government] to eliminate them," Pakistan's official APP news agency quoted him as telling journalists on Wednesday.
Earlier, while briefing a parliamentary interior committee meeting, Mr Malik said groups of "Punjabi Taliban" had been involved in attacks in Islamabad, Rawalpindi, Lahore and elsewhere in Punjab province.
He said these groups were entrenched in Punjab and were becoming increasingly dangerous.
Most parliamentarians from southern Punjab have been reluctant publicly to admit the existence of militants there, presumably due to reasons of personal security.
The ruling party of the Punjab province, the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) has also sought to dispel media reports that Taliban fighters hailing from Punjab province may have hideouts there.
A top minister of Punjab, Rana Sanaullah, recently attracted criticism for seeking the support of a militant organisation, Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan, during a by-election in March.
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Ammad Hafeez
Minister (2k+ posts)
Blast heard in Lahore..What are you Doing Khadim-e-Aala
LAHORE: A blast was heard in Kot Abdul Malik area of Lahore. Rescue 1122 teams have been send to the scene.
:cry_smile::cry_smile::cry_smile::cry_smile::cry_smile::cry_smile::cry_smile::cry_smile:
http://geo.tv/6-3-2010/66110.htm
Where are you Khadim-e-Aala??
LAHORE: A blast was heard in Kot Abdul Malik area of Lahore. Rescue 1122 teams have been send to the scene.
:cry_smile::cry_smile::cry_smile::cry_smile::cry_smile::cry_smile::cry_smile::cry_smile:
http://geo.tv/6-3-2010/66110.htm
Where are you Khadim-e-Aala??
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Ammad Hafeez
Minister (2k+ posts)
Is the PML-N govt waiting for a "standard" Talibanisation of the area to start before it moves to control the situation?
Afsr
MPA (400+ posts)
Blackwater in South Punjab
http://www.ummatpublication.com/2010/06/03/story2.html
http://www.ummatpublication.com/2010/06/03/lead20.html
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ميرا آپ سے ايک سوال ہے۔ کيا 80 کی دہائ ميں جب امريکہ افغانستان میں سويت فوج کے مقابلے ميں مجاہدين کی مدد کر رہا تھا تو کيا پاکستان ميں امريکہ مخالف جذبات کی شدت ميں کوئ کمی آئ تھی؟ جہاں تک مجھے ياد پڑتا ہے سب سے مشہور امريکہ مخالف نعرہ "امريکہ کا جو يار ہے غدار ہے، غدار ہے" اسی دور ميں منظر عام پر آيا تھا جب امريکہ ايک جارح فوج کے مقابلے ميں ايک مسلمان ملک کی مدد کر رہا تھا۔
اور يہ بھی ايک حقيقت ہے کہ امريکہ سے نفرت کرنے سے پہلے آپ کو وہ تمام مالی امداد نظرانداز کرنا ہو گی جو امريکہ نے پچھلے 60 برسوں کے دوران تعمير وترقی کے ضمن ميں پاکستان کو دی ہے۔ اسی طرح سال 2005 کے زلزلے کے بعد امريکہ کی طرف سے دی جانے والی امداد، فوجی سازوسامان اور سکالرشپس بھی نظر انداز کرنا ہوگی۔ يقينی طور پر اگر آپ ان تاريخی حقائق کو نظرانداز کر ديں تو پھر امريکہ سے نفرت کرنے ميں حق بجانب ہيں۔
فواد ڈيجيٹل آؤٹ ريچ ٹيم يو ايس اسٹيٹ ڈيپارٹمينٹ
Ammad Hafeez
Minister (2k+ posts)
Official Admits Militancys Deep Roots in Pakistan
Rehman Malik, Pakistans interior minister, said militants were entrenched in the southern portion of Punjab Province.
The statements by the interior minister, Rehman Malik, after the killing of more than 80 people at two mosques last week here in Lahore, were exceptional because few Pakistani politicians have acknowledged so explicitly the deep roots of militancy in Pakistan. They also highlighted the seeming impotence of the civilian government to root out the militant groups, even in Punjab Province, providing a troubling recognition that decades of state policy to nurture extremism had come home to roost in the very heart of the country.
The extent of the problem has become an increasing concern for the United States, which has pressed the government to deal with the issue with renewed urgency since the failed attempt by a Pakistani-American to explode a car bomb in Times Square.
Were dealing with a problem that is so deeply burrowed into the bosom of the society, said a senior Western official about the difficulty of loosening the grip of the militant groups. And were dealing with a government that is unhappy within itself.
The problem for Pakistan, Western officials and some Pakistani politicians said, is not only the specific acts of terrorism by these groups, but the far more pervasive jihadi mentality that has been nurtured in the society by an extensive network of extremist madrasas and mosques.
Mr. Maliks remarks in which he rattled off a host of extremist groups once supported by the state were a nod to these larger problems. In contrast to the tribal areas at the nations periphery, where the military is battling the Pakistani Taliban on several fronts, militants were now active in the southern part of Punjab and were trying to destabilize the country, he said.
Though Mr. Malik seemed to hint at possible military action in Punjab, the civilian government, led by the Pakistan Peoples Party, the more secular of the political parties in Pakistan, has little leverage to make it happen.
The Pakistani military, which still holds most power, has shown little interest in taking on extremist groups in Punjab. The province is a major recruiting area for the army, and many of the militant groups there were created by the state decades ago and have been fostered since as arms of Pakistans enduring anti-India strategy.
To a large degree, they have slipped from the control of their handlers in the military and intelligence services, according to Western diplomats and Pakistani security experts, and have linked up with Taliban fighters and other militant groups that are now striking deeper into Pakistan in an effort to overthrow the state.
Today these militants move back and forth easily between the tribal areas for training and Punjab, where they carry out a rising number of spectacular attacks.
They Lashkar-e-Janghvi, the Sipah-e-Sohaba Pakistan and Jaish-e-Mohammad are allies of the Taliban and Al Qaeda, Mr. Malik told reporters in Lahore after the mosque attacks.
The loose conglomerate of militants that Mr. Malik listed is now being grouped by officials and others under the name of the Punjabi Taliban, a designation that itself highlights the expanding nature of the threat in Pakistans most important province and the militants shifting ambitions. Under that rubric also falls Lashkar-e-Taiba, an anti-India militant group. Like the others listed by Mr. Malik, Lashkar-e-Taiba has been banned by the state, but continues to operate under a different name and apparently with the blessing of the military.
The Punjabi Taliban took credit for the assaults on the two Ahmadi mosques last Friday. At least one of the men arrested by the Pakistani authorities in connection with the Times Square bombing case is connected to Jaish-e-Mohammed, according to law enforcement officials in Karachi.
Adding to the difficulty of clamping down on the groups, the Punjabi government, led byShahbaz Sharif, a leader of the more conservative Pakistan Muslim League-N and a chief political rival of President Asif Ali Zardari, has stopped short of condemning the militants. In some respects, he has treated them as allies.
Two months ago, Mr. Sharif asked the Taliban to stay away from Punjab, arguing that his party and the Taliban had a common enemy in the United States. The Punjab government is in a state of denial, said Arif Nizami, a columnist with the newspaper The News. Mr. Sharif played down the attack on the two mosques in Lahore, Punjabs capital. Instead, he visited the wounded survivors in a hospital quietly at night without the usual television coverage.
The groups hold such sway that Pakistani politicians frequently pander to some, like the pro-Taliban Sipah-e-Sohaba Pakistan, during elections.
In a bold illustration of the power of one of the militant groups in southern Punjab, the provincial law minister, Rana Sanaullah, campaigned alongside the leader of Sipah-e-Sohaba, Maulana Muhammad Ahmed Ludhianvi, during a March by-election for the provincial assembly in the city of Jhang.
In an interview, Mr. Sanaullah, said he saw nothing wrong with campaigning with Mr. Ludhianvi. It was a good thing, he said, because it helped bring groups that he described as no longer militant into the democratic mainstream. If they want to be law-abiding citizens, we should allow them to be, Mr. Sanaullah said.
Mr. Sanaullah was not alone in seeking votes from Sipah-e-Sohaba. A candidate for the National Assembly running for the Pakistan Peoples Party also won with its support earlier this year.
Though security is a paramount concern, government officials and others acknowledge that the problem of militancy will not be solved by military force alone. Having been nurtured through generations, it will also not be undone quickly.
A program announced by Mr. Zardari two years ago to rein in the madrasas has yet to get off the ground, blocked by bureaucratic inertia and fears of a backlash from powerful conservative religious groups, Pakistani officials say. As state-sponsored education becomes too expensive for poor parents, the number of madrasas has actually increased in the past three years, to more than 17,000 in 2010 from 13,000 in 2007. At least several thousand of the madrasas churn out militant students, experts say.
http://nyti.ms/dCMA2I
The sister of a police officer, Zulfiqar Ali, mourned next to his coffin before his burial in Lahore, Pakistan, on Tuesday. He was killed when militants stormed a hospital on Sunday.
LAHORE, Pakistan Days after one of the worst terrorist attacks inPakistan, a senior Pakistani official declared in a surprising public admission that extremist groups were entrenched in the southern portion of the nations most populous province, underscoring the growing threats to the state.Rehman Malik, Pakistans interior minister, said militants were entrenched in the southern portion of Punjab Province.
The statements by the interior minister, Rehman Malik, after the killing of more than 80 people at two mosques last week here in Lahore, were exceptional because few Pakistani politicians have acknowledged so explicitly the deep roots of militancy in Pakistan. They also highlighted the seeming impotence of the civilian government to root out the militant groups, even in Punjab Province, providing a troubling recognition that decades of state policy to nurture extremism had come home to roost in the very heart of the country.
The extent of the problem has become an increasing concern for the United States, which has pressed the government to deal with the issue with renewed urgency since the failed attempt by a Pakistani-American to explode a car bomb in Times Square.
Were dealing with a problem that is so deeply burrowed into the bosom of the society, said a senior Western official about the difficulty of loosening the grip of the militant groups. And were dealing with a government that is unhappy within itself.
The problem for Pakistan, Western officials and some Pakistani politicians said, is not only the specific acts of terrorism by these groups, but the far more pervasive jihadi mentality that has been nurtured in the society by an extensive network of extremist madrasas and mosques.
Mr. Maliks remarks in which he rattled off a host of extremist groups once supported by the state were a nod to these larger problems. In contrast to the tribal areas at the nations periphery, where the military is battling the Pakistani Taliban on several fronts, militants were now active in the southern part of Punjab and were trying to destabilize the country, he said.
Though Mr. Malik seemed to hint at possible military action in Punjab, the civilian government, led by the Pakistan Peoples Party, the more secular of the political parties in Pakistan, has little leverage to make it happen.
The Pakistani military, which still holds most power, has shown little interest in taking on extremist groups in Punjab. The province is a major recruiting area for the army, and many of the militant groups there were created by the state decades ago and have been fostered since as arms of Pakistans enduring anti-India strategy.
To a large degree, they have slipped from the control of their handlers in the military and intelligence services, according to Western diplomats and Pakistani security experts, and have linked up with Taliban fighters and other militant groups that are now striking deeper into Pakistan in an effort to overthrow the state.
Today these militants move back and forth easily between the tribal areas for training and Punjab, where they carry out a rising number of spectacular attacks.
They Lashkar-e-Janghvi, the Sipah-e-Sohaba Pakistan and Jaish-e-Mohammad are allies of the Taliban and Al Qaeda, Mr. Malik told reporters in Lahore after the mosque attacks.
The loose conglomerate of militants that Mr. Malik listed is now being grouped by officials and others under the name of the Punjabi Taliban, a designation that itself highlights the expanding nature of the threat in Pakistans most important province and the militants shifting ambitions. Under that rubric also falls Lashkar-e-Taiba, an anti-India militant group. Like the others listed by Mr. Malik, Lashkar-e-Taiba has been banned by the state, but continues to operate under a different name and apparently with the blessing of the military.
The Punjabi Taliban took credit for the assaults on the two Ahmadi mosques last Friday. At least one of the men arrested by the Pakistani authorities in connection with the Times Square bombing case is connected to Jaish-e-Mohammed, according to law enforcement officials in Karachi.
Adding to the difficulty of clamping down on the groups, the Punjabi government, led byShahbaz Sharif, a leader of the more conservative Pakistan Muslim League-N and a chief political rival of President Asif Ali Zardari, has stopped short of condemning the militants. In some respects, he has treated them as allies.
Two months ago, Mr. Sharif asked the Taliban to stay away from Punjab, arguing that his party and the Taliban had a common enemy in the United States. The Punjab government is in a state of denial, said Arif Nizami, a columnist with the newspaper The News. Mr. Sharif played down the attack on the two mosques in Lahore, Punjabs capital. Instead, he visited the wounded survivors in a hospital quietly at night without the usual television coverage.
The groups hold such sway that Pakistani politicians frequently pander to some, like the pro-Taliban Sipah-e-Sohaba Pakistan, during elections.
In a bold illustration of the power of one of the militant groups in southern Punjab, the provincial law minister, Rana Sanaullah, campaigned alongside the leader of Sipah-e-Sohaba, Maulana Muhammad Ahmed Ludhianvi, during a March by-election for the provincial assembly in the city of Jhang.
In an interview, Mr. Sanaullah, said he saw nothing wrong with campaigning with Mr. Ludhianvi. It was a good thing, he said, because it helped bring groups that he described as no longer militant into the democratic mainstream. If they want to be law-abiding citizens, we should allow them to be, Mr. Sanaullah said.
Mr. Sanaullah was not alone in seeking votes from Sipah-e-Sohaba. A candidate for the National Assembly running for the Pakistan Peoples Party also won with its support earlier this year.
Though security is a paramount concern, government officials and others acknowledge that the problem of militancy will not be solved by military force alone. Having been nurtured through generations, it will also not be undone quickly.
A program announced by Mr. Zardari two years ago to rein in the madrasas has yet to get off the ground, blocked by bureaucratic inertia and fears of a backlash from powerful conservative religious groups, Pakistani officials say. As state-sponsored education becomes too expensive for poor parents, the number of madrasas has actually increased in the past three years, to more than 17,000 in 2010 from 13,000 in 2007. At least several thousand of the madrasas churn out militant students, experts say.
http://nyti.ms/dCMA2I
ConcernedPakistani
MPA (400+ posts)
Yes Rehman Malik and USA, INDIA are very sincere to Pakistan . Do whatever they say
Lucky4u
Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Dear Fawad!
Nice work but you can't impress some one who grew up with US friendship.
Your first point that US helped a Muslim country against an intruder, sorry my Dear but it was not for a Muslim country it was a war between US and the then USSR. If US was so fond of helping other countries against intruders then where was your US when India attacked Pakistan in 1971???? although they promised that the help is on the way.............
So far your aid and help is concern, yes we got a lot of it and we are not proud of that instead we are ashamed of that and you won't be using this argument once this new Pakistani generation get a chance to rule.
BTW US also provided aid to Iraqi people while bombing them, do you remember that????? First dropping Daisy cutter bombs and then throwing food packages.......... Nice work, Right???
There is a free advice for friends like you,,,,,, You can't change this opinion against US in Pakistan. It will change the day we start talking to US on level terms. So don't worry.
-peace
US State Department
Banned
Fawad Digital Outreach Team US State Department
سال 1971 کی پاک بھارت جنگ اور امريکہ کی جانب سے ايک بحری جہاز کا مبينہ وعدہ
امريکہ اور پاکستان کے تعلقات کے حوالے سے اس "واقعے" کا ہميشہ ذکر کيا جاتا ہے اور 1971 کی جنگ ميں امريکہ کی جانب سے فوجی امداد نہ ملنے کو اس دليل کے طور پر پيش کيا جاتا ہے کہ امريکہ نے وعدے کے باوجود مشکل وقت ميں پاکستان کی مدد نہيں کی۔ اس حوالے سے اہم بات يہ ہے کہ کبھی کسی فوجی معاہدے، کسی امريکی اہلکار کے سرکاری بيان يا کسی ايسی مصدقہ دستاويز يا شخصيت کا ذکر نہيں کيا جاتا جس کی بنياد پر حقائق کی تحقيق کی جا سکے۔
ميں نے يو ايس اسٹيٹ ڈيپارٹمنٹ سے 1971 کی پاک بھارت جنگ اور اس حوالے سے امريکہ کے کردار کی حقيقت جاننے کے ليے بہت سی دستاويز حاصل کی ہيں جن ميں کچھ متعلقہ مواد يہاں پيش کر رہا ہوں۔
اگست 16 1971 کی يہ دستاويزايک رپورٹ پر مبنی ہے جو ہنری کسنجر نے اس وقت کے امريکی صدر کو ارسال کی تھی جس ميں 16 دسمبر 1971 کے واقعے سے چند ماہ قبل امريکی حکومت کی برصغير ميں بڑھتی ہوئ کشيدگی کے پس منظرميں خارجہ پاليسی کی وضاحت ہوتی ہے۔
اس پورٹ کے صفحہ نمبر 2 پر ہنری کسنجر لکھتے ہيں کہ
"ميں نے برصغير کے حوالے سے اپنی پاليسی ميں واضح کيا ہے کہ ہم ہر ممکن کوشش کر رہے ہيں کہ معيشت اوربنگالی مہاجرين کے مسائل کو سياسی معاملات خاص طور پر مشرقی بنگال کے معاملے سے الگ رکھا جاۓ کيونکہ يہ وہ معاملات ہيں جہاں ہم مدد کرنا چاہتے ہيں۔ مشکل ترين اندرونی مشکلات کے باوجود ہم نہ ہی پاکستان کی سبکی چاہتے ہيں اور نہ ہی دوسروں کو ايسا موقع دينے کے حق ميں ہيں۔ بنگالی مہاجرين کے حوالے سے بھارت کی مشکلات سے آگاہ ہيں ليکن اس صورت حال کی آڑ ميں بھارت کو پاکستان سے پرانے حساب پورے کرنے ميں اس کا ساتھ نہيں ديں گے۔ ہم نے بھارت پر واضح کر ديا ہے کہ کسی فوجی کاروائ کی صورت ميں اس کی معاشی امداد بند کر دی جاۓ گی"۔
اسی دستاويز کے صفحہ نمبر 7 ميں فرانس ميں چين کے سفير ہوانگ چين اور ہنری کسنجر کی گفتگو کا يہ حصہ امريکی پاليسی کی وضاحت کرتا ہے۔ ہنری کسنجر کے مطابق
" اگر بھارت نے ہميں مشرقی پاکستان کے سياسی مسلۓ ميں ملوث کرنے کی کوشش کی تو ہمارا موقف يہ ہو گا کہ اس کا انحصار پاکستان پرہے نا کہ امريکہ پر۔ ہم چاہتے ہيں کہ پاکستان بنگالی مہاجرين کی واپسی اور ان کی آبادکاری اور بہبود کا ايسا مربوط پروگرام تيار کرے کہ بھارت کو مداخلت کا موقع نہ مل سکے"
اسی صفحے پر گفتگو کا يہ حصہ خاصہ اہم ہے۔۔۔
"ميں آپ کو ذاتی حيثيت ميں يہ بات بتا رہا ہوں کہ ہمارا تاثر يہ ہے کہ حکومت پاکستان قابل احترام ليکن سياسی تدبر سے عاری ہے۔ پاکستان کے جتنے بھی دوست ہيں انھيں چاہيے کہ وہ اس امر ميں پاکستان کی حوصلہ افزائ کريں تاکہ مہاجرين کی واپسی کو يقينی بنايا جا سکے۔ صرف اسی صورت ميں ہماری حکمت عملی کو کاميابی مل سکتی ہے جس کے مطابق ہم چاہتے ہیں کہ بھارت کو فوجی مداخلت کا کوئ موقع نہ ملے۔"
پاکستان کو کسی بھی قسم کی فوجی امداد کی فراہمی کے حوالے سے امريکی پاليسی کی وضاحت اسی رپورٹ کے صفحہ 8 پر موجود ہے
"کانگريس کے فیصلے کے مطابق ہم کسی بھی قسم کی فوجی امداد نہيں دے سکتے۔ ليکن اگر پاکستان کے دوسرے دوست فوجی سازوسامان فراہم کرنا چاہيں تو ہم يہ بات سمجھ سکتے ہيں۔ تاہم مشرقی پاکستان ميں انارکی روکنے کے ليے ہم ہر قسم کی معاشی امداد اور خوراک کی فراہمی کے پروگرام کو يقينی بنائيں گے۔"
پندرہ نومبر1971 کی اس دستاويز ميں "ٹاسک گروپ" بيجھنے کا ذکر موجود ہے ليکن اس کا مقصد کسی ايک فريق کی مدد نہيں بلکہ حالات بگڑنے کی صورت ميں کسی تيسرے فريق کو اس تنازے ميں شامل ہونے سے روکنا تھا۔
سات دسمبر 1971 کی اس دستاويز کے مطابق امريکہ نے پاکستان اور بھارت پر يہ واضح کر ديا تھا کہ جنگ کی صورت ميں دونوں ممالک کو امريکہ کی جانب سے کسی بھی قسم کے فوجی سازوسامان کی ترسيل نہيں کی جاۓ گی۔ اسی دستاويز سے يہ بات بھی ثابت ہوتی ہے کہ پاکستان کے صدرجرنل يحيی اس حقيقت سے پوری طرح آگاہ تھے اور انھوں نے اس ضمن ميں جارڈن کے شاہ حسين سے ايف 104 طياروں کی فراہمی کی درخواست بھی کی تھی۔
اسی رپورٹ کے صفحہ 5 کا آخری پيراگراف انتہاہی اہم ہے جس کے مطابق
امريکہ نے 1965 سے جاری پاک بھارت کشيدگی کے بعد سے دونوں ممالک کو مہلک ہتھیاروں کی فراہمی روک دی ہے۔ اس قانون ميں صرف ايک بار نرمی اکتوبر 1970 ميں کی گئ تھی جب پاکستان کو20 ايف 5 طياروں کی فراہمی کا وعدہ کيا گيا تھا ليکن اس معاہدے پر حکومت پاکستان نے دستخط نہيں کيے تھے۔
ان دستاويزی ثبوتوں کی موجودگی ميں يہ دعوے کرنا کہ امريکہ نے 1971 کی جنگ ميں پاکستان کی فوجی امداد کے وعدے کيے تھے بالکل بے بنياد ثابت ہوجاتے ہيں۔
پاک بھارت 1971 کی جنگ میں امريکہ کا کردار سمجھنے کے ليے 7 دسمبر 1971 کو وائٹ ہاؤس ميں ہنری کسنجر کی يہ پريس کانفرنس نہايت اہم ہے۔ دلچسپ بات يہ ہے کہ اس وقت سفارتی سطح پر امريکہ پر اس حوالے سے کڑی تنقيد کی جا رہی تھی کہ امريکہ کا جھکاؤ مکمل طور پر پاکستان کی جانب تھا،جيسا کہ پريس کانفرنس ميں کيے جانے والے مختلف سوالوں سے واضح ہے۔
ويسے يہ بات خاصی دلچسپ ہے کہ 1971 کی پاک بھارت جنگ کے ضمن ميں ايک بحری بيڑے کا ذکر اس طرح کيا جاتا ہے جيسے پوری جنگ کے نتيجے کا دارومدار محض اسی بات پر تھا۔ يہ حقيقت ہے کہ 1971 کی جنگ ميں ناکامی پر پاکستانی قائدين کی سياسی ناکامی کو تسليم کرنے کے مقابلے ميں امريکہ کو مورد الزام قرار دينا زيادہ آسان ہے۔ ليکن ايسے سينکڑوں دستاويزی ثبوت موجود ہيں جس ميں امريکی حکومت کا موقف واضح ہے جس کے مطابق دونوں ممالک پر يہ واضح کر ديا گيا تھا کہ جنگ کی صورت ميں دونوں ممالک کو کسی بھی قسم کی فوجی امداد مہيا نہيں کی جاۓ گی۔
فواد ڈيجيٹل آؤٹ ريچ ٹيم يو ايس اسٹيٹ ڈيپارٹمينٹ
greywolf
Councller (250+ posts)
Then do you think that third party was stopped ?
The rest of what you quote from Henry Kissinger ...... I guess you need a lot of education out of American nutshell to realize that person. Whatever you are posting here from US State Department is American version of excuses so do you think they are reliable.
I agree that we would have never trust America ... or should never do so in the future because according to your own post ... US holds a neutral policy regarding its "strongest" ally Pakistan. LOL!
Why don't your American friends dare tell the truth that it was American anger over Pakistan's siding with China in 1962 war of China with India. Exactly at that time when india was trying to stir the pot with China ... Pakistan accelerated its activities in Kashmir region which resulted in india's shameful defeat at Chinese hands ... and then they were brutally failed in 1965 against Pakistan in achieving even an inch ... let alone they lost their own territories to Pakistan. Why don't they tell the people the truth for a change ..... tell them to at least taste the truth sometimes. Will surely help their ugly mischievous menace syndrome.
This was sweet to tell us that the entire war was not on the axis of a naval ship or fleet ... had they had an iota of shame in themselves they should have realized the service Pak Army has provided them in defeating USSR. If they can need Pakistan in their oh-so-big cold war with another rival super-power ... Pakistan can also call upon them for a military backing in event of such a situation ... what are friends for ? Or probably US also does not think of us as friends or allies ... so fold up this bullshit about Pakistan's ill-placed perception of US friendship or shifting the blame.
Also care to ask your american friends why are they trying to build a missile shield right after Russia's test of long-range missiles ... ask them if they feel threatened ? So much for their military dominance.
Lucky4u
Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
ويسے يہ بات خاصی دلچسپ ہے کہ 1971 کی پاک بھارت جنگ کے ضمن ميں ايک بحری بيڑے کا ذکر اس طرح کيا جاتا ہے جيسے پوری جنگ کے نتيجے کا دارومدار محض اسی بات پر تھا۔ يہ حقيقت ہے کہ 1971 کی جنگ ميں ناکامی پر پاکستانی قائدين کی سياسی ناکامی کو تسليم کرنے کے مقابلے ميں امريکہ کو مورد الزام قرار دينا زيادہ آسان ہے۔ ليکن ايسے سينکڑوں دستاويزی ثبوت موجود ہيں جس ميں امريکی حکومت کا موقف واضح ہے جس کے مطابق دونوں ممالک پر يہ واضح کر ديا گيا تھا کہ جنگ کی صورت ميں دونوں ممالک کو کسی بھی قسم کی فوجی امداد مہيا نہيں کی جاۓ گی۔
فواد – ڈيجيٹل آؤٹ ريچ ٹيم – يو ايس اسٹيٹ ڈيپارٹمينٹ
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My Dear Fawad!
Aren't you forgetting something??? While answering on behalf of US State Department, you should at least have an insight of the region and its politics (I am not trying to be personal, if it sounds like that, I am sorry) ----- You are telling me that US made it clear that she will not help either India or Pakistan...... Have you heard about ''Southeast Asia Treaty Organization (SEATO)'' and ''Central treaty organization (CENTO)''???
My Dear Friend, Pakistan was in alliance of collective defense with US..... US was not supposed to send us only a single ship but to fight our enemy with us, At least this was what SEATO and CENTO says.....
You can now ask you State Department to send you documents about SEATO and CENTO....
-Peace
ConcernedPakistani
MPA (400+ posts)
USA has always been so faithful to Pakistan. Pakistan ka kasoor he sab kuch. USA has been so good with all the countries in South America, Asia, Africa. Anyone can verify this fact from history.
sangeen
Minister (2k+ posts)
concernedPakistani are you also on the payroll of US state depart???? or an indian????? you look like the eastern counterpart of fawad sahib but it looks you are doing it for free while fawad's earning $$$$$$ or are you trying to persue a career in US state dept????? sorry for being personal but it is true....
