moshi ne kal indian anchor ko chup kraia islye pakistani dobra moshi ki traf daikhna shoro kardia ,pakistani qum ka allah hi hafiz hain in ke sath jitna bhi bora karey agar aik dafah siasdan india.america ya israel ke khilaf bola to unka sara gunah maf.moshi ki wajah se pakistan jal raha hain zardari and co aus par tail dal raha hai,
Akbar Bugti:What is better than seeing your enemies driven before you and then taking their women to
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interesting..
alimohsan52
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Yes I have pasted the article for your reference at the start of the thread.
This paragraph of the article makes it distinctly clear as ice that he is a self boasting killer. By his own admission he admits to killing a person at the age of 12, in this context he makes the statement of what he does to his enemies. I really do not see what is so difficult to understand from this paragraph? There is no shadow of doubt in what he means and there is no ambiguity.
Whether he is patriotic than Musharraf or not is not the topic of the thread and Is besides the point.
Also your analogy is poor if Musharraf made the statement which you quoted that may be considered to be immoral, but not a crime. Whereas there is no way Bugti made this statement in sarcasm, if hypothetically he did make the comment sarcastically, that is pretty sick mental thinking to make a sarcastic comment of raping someone. An Immoral statement cannot be compared to a self incriminating admission. There needs to be a clear distinction between the two.
Nothing whatsoever justifies rape and murder in this manner by a war lord. Hard to think how this person could be perceived to be a saint? :13: Also the hard reality is that he kicked out people from his own tribe, he was at war with them. Do consider this context.
We have various parties trying to portray him as a great leader without really mentioning his character.
He was challenging the authority of the state, what evidence is there that he was willing to hand himself in peacefully? So a fair trial could take place (If such a thing exists in Pakistan)
"To reach the cave Mr Bugti calls home, your correspondent trekked for a week through scorched valleys and moonlit hills, circumventing army pickets. Though half-crippled by thrombosis, [HI]Mr Bugti, who claims to have killed his first man at the age of twelve, was in good spirits.[/HI] “It is better to die quickly in the mountain than slowly in bed,” he said, surrounded by a silent crowd of Bugti gunmen. A fan of Nietzsche and Genghis Khan, he speaks perfect English and delights in punctiliously-pronounced discourses on the love-life of camels and wreaking horrible revenge on his foes. [HI]“What is better than seeing your enemies driven before you and then taking their women to bed?” he says. [/HI][HI]"[/HI]
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This ******* deserves to death, he killed his tribe people, Kalpar bugti was a true example of it.
Not only bugtis but all sardars should be killed brutally.
Vitamin_C
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I agree to what he said
What is better than seeing your enemies driven before you and then taking their women to bed
True story of warlords in Balochistan since thousands of years. Not only in Balochistan but in every war, the victor takes the enemys women, Khalid bin Waled also did this when he killed an enemy in another tribe he took his women. People are just 2 sensitive here it still happens, see what happens in Iraq and Afghanistan and Africa.
What is better than seeing your enemies driven before you and then taking their women to bed
True story of warlords in Balochistan since thousands of years. Not only in Balochistan but in every war, the victor takes the enemys women, Khalid bin Waled also did this when he killed an enemy in another tribe he took his women. People are just 2 sensitive here it still happens, see what happens in Iraq and Afghanistan and Africa.
punjabi_tha
Councller (250+ posts)
بگٹی کی موت پر میں صرف ایک ہی بات کہ سکتا ہوں۔ خس کم جہاں پاک۔
your deduction about Pakistani soldiers raping Bengali women is mis quote, misinformed and a blame, let me enlighten you.
http://spittoonwatch.wordpress.com/2012/07/17/the-myth-of-genocide-in-east-pakistan-in-1971/
Star Gazer
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
After reading this post I am wondering how old are you?
Where do you live? what kind of education have you received?
adnan_younus
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
ye zaleeeel aadmee tribal zalim thaaa... loag pata nahee kyun iskee raaag japtey hein..
Mojo-jojo
Minister (2k+ posts)
[h=2]Baluchistan[/h][h=3]Turning a fight into a war[/h] [h=1]Pakistan's aggressive policy towards its aggrieved west is causing chaos [/h] Jun 29th 2006 | dera bugti |From the print edition
THE castle belonging to Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti in Dera Bugti, a small town in Pakistan's western province of Baluchistan, stands like an epitaph to a lost battle. The walls have been ruined by cannon fire. Most of the local residents have fled. Those who remain in the town are mostly renegade Bugtis, of a clan opposed to Mr Bugti's God-like rule over the tribe. A few years ago, Mr Bugti drove them from Dera Bugti. But, since he began squabbling with the government, which set its troops on him last year, it has carted them back. “He's finished,” says one of their protectors, a colonel in Pakistan's frontier corps. “People want change.”
Few in Baluchistan would disagree with the second claim. It is Pakistan's biggest and poorest province: a vast expanse of arid plains and brittle hills, home to 5m people, half of whom are impoverished. It produces most of Pakistan's natural gas—including 40% from a single gasfield, at Sui, on Mr Bugti's land—yet, until recently, almost no Baluch village had access to gas. Thus marginalised, the province has arisen in insurgency every decade or so since Pakistan's creation. The biggest, in the mid-1970s, sucked in 80,000 troops and cost 8,000 lives.
The latest uprising, led by Mr Bugti, a former interior minister, now nearly 80 years old, and two other tribal lords, or sardars, has raged for the past 18 months. After the government shelled Dera Bugti last year, Mr Bugti took to the hills on camel-back to direct the insurgency, armed with a Kalashnikov and a satellite telephone. Last December, after rockets were fired at a rally attended by Pakistan's president, Pervez Musharraf, the army began assaulting him there.
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To reach the cave Mr Bugti calls home, your correspondent trekked for a week through scorched valleys and moonlit hills, circumventing army pickets. Though half-crippled by thrombosis, Mr Bugti, who claims to have killed his first man at the age of twelve, was in good spirits. “It is better to die quickly in the mountain than slowly in bed,” he said, surrounded by a silent crowd of Bugti gunmen. A fan of Nietzsche and Genghis Khan, he speaks perfect English and delights in punctiliously-pronounced discourses on the love-life of camels and wreaking horrible revenge on his foes. “What is better than seeing your enemies driven before you and then taking their women to bed?” he says.
While Bugti tribesmen harry the army, a mysterious outfit, the Baluchistan Liberation Army, which the government says is also run by the sardars, is attacking policemen and soldiers across the province. Both groups are believed to have received assistance from India, across the nearby porous border with Afghanistan. In the past few years, 400 Pakistani soldiers have been killed in the conflict, as well as several hundred people in army attacks. Pakistan's Human Rights Commission has documented government atrocities, including a massacre of 12 civilians in January.
For General Musharraf, this has become a serious headache. Gas supplies to Pakistan's main towns have been interrupted by attacks on Baluchistan's pipelines and gasfields. Construction of a vast new port, at the Baluch village of Gwadar, has been occasionally disrupted. Across Pakistan, meanwhile, for reasons including rising inflation and his pro-America policies, the general is fast becoming unpopular; and the Baluch insurgents have drawn sympathy.
Mr Bugti has a dreadful history of oppressing his people, yet the grievances he claims to be fighting for are real. Moreover, Pakistanis see the conflict as an extension of an even more unpopular campaign General Musharraf is waging against Pushtun Islamic fundamentalists in the northern tribal areas. In the past two years, for no obvious gain, over 600 soldiers have been killed there—including six on June 26th in a suicide bomb attack in North Waziristan tribal agency.
If only General Musharraf would listen to the aggrieved Baluch, his more level-headed critics say, worse violence could be averted. But that looks unlikely. In May 2005, a parliamentary committee proposed 32 sensible ways to placate them, including increased development spending and a local stake in the port at Gwadar. None of these has been taken up. And General Musharraf's hand is growing heavier. Across Baluchistan, thousands have been arrested, often merely because of their alleged nationalist opinions. An alliance between feudal tribes, like the Bugtis, and more enlightened nationalists, who despise the sardari system, has been forged by shared suffering.
“We are no longer fighting for autonomy but for survival,” says Akhtar Mengal, leader of the Baluchistan National Party (BNP), and son of another sardar. The BNP has been holding mass rallies across Baluchistan, including in the capital, Quetta, attended by teachers, doctors and students, as well as bearded tribesmen. “Our demand is simple,” he says: “Maximum autonomy; or we too will take to the mountains and fight for independence.”
General Musharraf is believed to be sincere in wanting to bring greater prosperity to Baluchistan—and to make it the hub of Pakistan's energy sector. Yet he seems convinced that to end its insurgency, he has only to crush the bothersome sardars. In that, though, he is wrong.
One may get a different take If you read the article in its entirety. I have pasted the whole article here and highlighted the parts which indicate that confrontaion and aggressive handling by Musharraf at that time was wrong and as proven later on. Bugti had flaws in his character like many of us but for the larger interest of the country he should not have been killed like this. His murder has made the situation worse. One of the big blunders of Mushi the Commando ( other than Pakistan's involvement in Afghanistan and Kargil fiasco)
may be a common practise for secularists, atheists, christians, and jews like AKBAR BUGTI but never for a true muslim, we are forbidden actually, if u ponder
Mojo-jojo
Minister (2k+ posts)
Ironically, the late Bugti was not someone who seems to have had nearly as many admirers in life as he does now in death, which is common for divisive figures who die in the name of a resistance or rebellion and become in death an untouchable symbol of that rebellion. In killing him, Musharraf miscalculated horribly, since the man came to symbolise Baluchi nationalism most in the moment when he was struck down. This is often the case with insurgencies and rebellions–charismatic or ruthless leaders can sometimes achieve as much by becoming a hallowed memory as they could have done by staying alive and making more enemies. However horrid his methods or brutal his acts (and it should be noted here that Bugti was a hardened political schemer, but hardly a terrorist), once a rebel has become a symbol to be worked up into legend and song he can be more dangerous to his enemies dead than alive.
http://larison.org/2006/08/
http://larison.org/2006/08/
I apologize if I sounded as if I talked against all Pakistanis living outside. Absolutely not.
I am talking about some, who are devoid of realities here. But maybe there are are many who live here and do the same.
But I clarify again that I did not intend to talk about all Pakistanis living outside, but some.
I am talking about some, who are devoid of realities here. But maybe there are are many who live here and do the same.
But I clarify again that I did not intend to talk about all Pakistanis living outside, but some.
Sohraab
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
The problem with these tribal sardars is that they have a big ego and want to subordinate every one around them. They use and misuse power under their belt to subdue and subjugate not only their adversaries but also their own followers. They behave like lords of jungles and show their big teeth and claws to threaten and frighten any position and it was the hall mark Akbar Bughti's character. He intimidated opposition, killed many innocent people and used violent means to achieve his ambitions.
I would have asked him if his enemy captured him and took his women to bed in front of him: how he would have felt?
I would have asked him if his enemy captured him and took his women to bed in front of him: how he would have felt?
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Read hamood ur rehman commission report.
