ترکی میں ماہ رمضان

[Pak1stani]

اپنی دوسری پوسٹ دوبارہ پڑھو.

اور جو بات تم نے اب کی ہے بہتر تھا کہ تمسخر اڑانے کی بجاے دوسری پوسٹ میں وہ لکھ دیتے

اور جو کا تم نےپوسٹ کیا ہے اس کے مطابق تو مفتی منیب بھی چاند چاند کھل رہا ہے لیکن سارا تمسخر پاپلزائی کے حصےمیں
اور کیوں نہ ہو ایک تو وہ دیوبندی اور اوپر سے پشتون

فرقہ کی گردان کون بار بار کر رہا ہے یہیں دیکھ لو ، باقی جس روز تم مرضی عید کرو کیونکہ یہ دینی معاملہ ہے جس پر کوی جبر نہیں میرا لکھنے کا مقصد یہ بتانا تھا کہ جس دن پاپلزی نے چاند دکھائی دینے کا اعلان کیا تھا اس دن چاند دس گھنٹے سے بھی کم تھا یعنی آنکھ سے دکھائی دینا ناممکن تھا ،اتنا چھوٹا چاند افق پر آتا ہی نہیں ،چاند کی ایج بائیس گھنٹے کی ہو تب وہ تھوڑی دیر کیلئے افق پر دکھائی دے سکتا ہے

 

[dildar]

یہ سارے مفتی ،مولوی ،مہتمم ،علامہ ڈنڈے کی زبان مانتے ہیں ،آپ جتنی مرضی نصیحتیں کرتے جاو نتیجہ صفر نکلے گا لیکن اگر تھوڑی سی ہمت کر کے ایسے مفتی جیل میں ڈال دیے جائیں تو دو دن میں انکی عقل ٹھکانے آجاۓ گی جب جیل میں بھوکے پیاسے پولیس کی جھڑکیاں کھائیں گے تو خود ہی حکومت کی رٹ مان لیں گے
یہ مفتی تو کچھ بھی نہیں ہے اس کے بڑے طالبان کو جب تک پیار سے نصیحت کی جاتی رہی وہ سر پر چڑھتے رہے لیکن جب سے فوج نے انکی تشریف پر گولیاں برسا نا شروع کی ہیں انکی عقل ٹھکانے آگئی ہے ، دہشت گردی ختم ہوچکی ہے

 

[Abdul Allah]

same question can also be raised about Mufti Muneeb?

No if you logically think on it.

Mufti Muneeb is head of a department which monitor moon of each month and announce it.


My question is why this difference of one days is filled over the year and again on Sahabaan both parties sight moon on same day.

 

[Abdul Allah]

agree but if we calculate the age of a new born moon which can be seen with naked eyes and use modern tools to find moon?

It can be used as an aiding tool which roaeet-e-halal did every year

 

[Pak1stani]

Never heard of Mufti Muneeb is sighting moon every month. And popalzai dont sight moon himself but its the people who bring Royat and if enough and credible people say they have sighted moon then what he should do. And Just FYI many districts in KPK has its own local Royat committees and they announces moon sighting well before Popalzai announcement. So even if Popalzai is not there in current situation There may still be 3 Eids in Pakistan and I have no problem with it.

Personally for me I wish that all Muslims all over the world celebrate Eid on same day.

No if you logically think on it.

Mufti Muneeb is head of a department which monitor moon of each month and announce it.


My question is why this difference of one days is filled over the year and again on Sahabaan both parties sight moon on same day.

 

[Abdul Allah]

Never heard of Mufti Muneeb is sighting moon every month. And popalzai dont sight moon himself but its the people who bring Royat and if enough and credible people say they have sighted moon then what he should do. And Just FYI many districts in KPK has its own local Royat committees and they announces moon sighting well before Popalzai announcement. So even if Popalzai is not there in current situation There may still be 3 Eids in Pakistan and I have no problem with it.

Personally for me I wish that all Muslims all over the world celebrate Eid on same day.

Every month you can read news of Royat announcement.

Who authorize populzai to DO any thing?? he can asked them to provide testament in front Authorize body.

Any PRIVATE Royaat Halal Commety is just like populzai


but you did not think on what i asked you to think logically why on just Eidain and Ramazan??

Think again.
Each Ramzan they Start sighting moon on same day. Most of the time Populzai sb announce it on the same day. that makes a difference of one day between the both parties but again on BARI Eid they gatther on same day. and then again next year on Ramazan on the same day. 9,10 Muharam on same day, 12 Rabi ul Awal on same day, and many more Where that one day difference goes?? I hope you understand what i am trying to say.

 

[Pak1stani]

Eid and Ramadan are important event and people are more interested in them so they sit to sight moon during these events.

If in some city enough people sight moon and give Shahdah then should people celebrate Eid or Not?

Every month you can read news of Royat announcement.

Who authorize populzai to DO any thing?? he can asked them to provide testament in front Authorize body.

Any PRIVATE Royaat Halal Commety is just like populzai


but you did not think on what i asked you to think logically why on just Eidain and Ramazan??

Think again.
Each Ramzan they Start sighting moon on same day. Most of the time Populzai sb announce it on the same day. that makes a difference of one day between the both parties but again on BARI Eid they gatther on same day. and then again next year on Ramazan on the same day. 9,10 Muharam on same day, 12 Rabi ul Awal on same day, and many more Where that one day difference goes?? I hope you understand what i am trying to say.

 

[Abdul Allah]

Eid and Ramadan are important event and people are more interested in them so they sit to sight moon during these events.

If in some city enough people sight moon and give Shahdah then should people celebrate Eid or Not?

I think i fail again to show you what is the point.


I am asking you to think that Where that one day difference goes??

If in 2015 on 29th rajab both parties gather to sight Ramazan moon and moon is sighted one day earlier and announce Ramazan by populzai sb.

Dont you think in 2016 populzai sb and other like him must be gather one day earlier as when rest of the pakistan would be on 28th they must be on 29th rajab??

But you will see that in 2016 they will gather on same day.

My question and concern is about one day difference that appear in start of ramazan and vanish every year in on 29th rajab.



First of all WHY they did not appear infront of Official Royaat committee ???

 

[Pak1stani]

Indeed they do appear in local Govt. committees but at the end it's Mufti Muneeb Central Royit Committee which don't accept their Shahadat.

Some months can be 29 some can be 30

My point is if local people give shahadat for moon sighting they should celebrate and other people have no right to object. If Mufti Muneeb cant sight moon and announces Eid one day later I have no problem with that.

And if one decide to do Eid based on scintific sighting of Moon I have no problem with that too rather I prefer it.

I think i fail again to show you what is the point.


I am asking you to think that Where that one day difference goes??

If in 2015 on 29th rajab both parties gather to sight Ramazan moon and moon is sighted one day earlier and announce Ramazan by populzai sb.

Dont you think in 2016 populzai sb and other like him must be gather one day earlier as when rest of the pakistan would be on 28th they must be on 29th rajab??

But you will see that in 2016 they will gather on same day.

My question and concern is about one day difference that appear in start of ramazan and vanish every year in on 29th rajab.



First of all WHY they did not appear infront of Official Royaat committee ???

 

[Abdul Allah]

Indeed they do appear in local Govt. committees but at the end it's Mufti Muneeb Central Royit Committee which don't accept their Shahadat.

Some months can be 29 some can be 30

My point is if local people give shahadat for moon sighting they should celebrate and other people have no right to object. If Mufti Muneeb cant sight moon and announces Eid one day later I have no problem with that.

And if one decide to do Eid based on scintific sighting of Moon I have no problem with that too rather I prefer it.

Why not? why not it is accepted??

Yes some months are 29 and some of 30 but Why this coincidence occur every year?? that on ramazan they get difference of one day but then it is vanish??

Me too . I do not have any issue in it. but my concern is on the authenticity . and the way it happen only on ramazan and eid and the way this one day difference coincidence happened every year.

So i will go with the one who have Weather forecasting authorities and Astronomy department with him to help and the rest of the pakistan as witness but not with some saying falaaan pahari par aik ghur sawar ny chaand daikh lia.

 

[Pak1stani]

One can ask from Mufti Muneeb why He don't accept witnesses from KPK. And Why Mufti Muneeb never sighted a moon?

And if enough people from one part of country give shahadah one should accept or not? Popalzai don't announce id from his own but people come to him or other local committee contact him and give shahadah. Same people and committees also contact Govt. committee but Govt. committee don't accept.

Why not? why not it is accepted??

Yes some months are 29 and some of 30 but Why this coincidence occur every year?? that on ramazan they get difference of one day but then it is vanish??

Me too . I do not have any issue in it. but my concern is on the authenticity . and the way it happen only on ramazan and eid and the way this one day difference coincidence happened every year.

So i will go with the one who have Weather forecasting authorities and Astronomy department with him to help and the rest of the pakistan as witness but not with some saying falaaan pahari par aik ghur sawar ny chaand daikh lia.

 

[Abdul Allah]

One can ask from Mufti Muneeb why He don't accept witnesses from KPK. And Why Mufti Muneeb never sighted a moon?

And if enough people from one part of country give shahadah one should accept or not? Popalzai don't announce id from his own but people come to him or other local committee contact him and give shahadah. Same people and committees also contact Govt. committee but Govt. committee don't accept.

He did answer on that in past will try to find it out to share here.


Accepting Shahda is not depending on Number of the people

You are not commenting on it

Why this coincidence occur every year?? that on ramazan they get difference of one day but then it is vanish??

 

[Pak1stani]

I answer this that during other months people in KPK don't sit and see moon since it's of less importance. So they dont care about other months.

So If a number of good muslims some time included Hafiz Qurans give Shahda and Mufti Muneeb dont accept it then on what accepting of Shahda by Mufti Muneeb depends?

He did answer on that in past will try to find it out to share here.


Accepting Shahda is not depending on Number of the people

You are not commenting on it

Why this coincidence occur every year?? that on ramazan they get difference of one day but then it is vanish??

 

[auqab]

آنا کا مسلہ نہیں بلکہ تمہارے فرقہ وارانہ ذھن کا ہے ، جو کام پاپلزائی کر رہا ہے وہی مفتی منیب بھی ، اگر تمسخر اڑانا ہے تو پھر سب کا

firqa parasto aur firqa bazi per khuda ki ******!

lekin ik farq marhoze khatir rekhiyae qibla: k mufti muneed ko mumlikat nae official uhda dia hua hae jab kae mufti popalzae nae mumlikat ki nafi mae ik private dukaan lagae hoi hae!

mumlikat ka haq ik fard nahi cheen sakta, yae baghawat hae!

 

[Abdul Allah]

I answer this that during other months people in KPK don't sit and see moon since it's of less importance. So they dont care about other months.

So If a number of good muslims some time included Hafiz Qurans give Shahda and Mufti Muneeb dont accept it then on what accepting of Shahda by Mufti Muneeb depends?

So dont you think We should rely on those who are putting effort to do it every month.?? and got all possible facility to properly do it .???


being Hafiz Quran is something that makes a shahda valid???

 

[Pak1stani]

So will only shahada from punjab will make it acceptable or what ?

if there is valid local shahda for moon people should follow that instead of waiting for shahda from 1500km away.

So dont you think We should rely on those who are putting effort to do it every month.?? and got all possible facility to properly do it .???


being Hafiz Quran is something that makes a shahda valid???

 

[Pak1stani]

If there is local shahda people should follow it instead of waiting for shahda from 1500 km away. Just like people follow local prayer timing

firqa parasto aur firqa bazi per khuda ki ******!

lekin ik farq marhoze khatir rekhiyae qibla: k mufti muneed ko mumlikat nae official uhda dia hua hae jab kae mufti popalzae nae mumlikat ki nafi mae ik private dukaan lagae hoi hae!

mumlikat ka haq ik fard nahi cheen sakta, yae baghawat hae!

 

[Abdul Allah]

So will only shahada from punjab will make it acceptable or what ?

if there is valid local shahda for moon people should follow that instead of waiting for shahda from 1500km away.

Did i mention Punjab??

what are the measure to identify valid shahda??

Do you think a person with heavy telescope and weather forecasting authorities and astronomy dept can sight moon or someone who claim to see on falaan pahari???

 

[Pak1stani]

No you didn't specifically mentioned Punjabi or Sindhi byt Then what is left if a Muslim with good conduct comes and you reject his shahda.

If since can tell you about the moon location exactly why waste millions of taxpayers money on mufti muneeb and his telescopes?

Did i mention Punjab??

what are the measure to identify valid shahda??

Do you think a person with heavy telescope and weather forecasting authorities and astronomy dept can sight moon or someone who claim to see on falaan pahari???

 

[Abdul Allah]

No you didn't specifically mentioned Punjabi or Sindhi byt Then what is left if a Muslim with good conduct comes and you reject his shahda.

If since can tell you about the moon location exactly why waste millions of taxpayers money on mufti muneeb and his telescopes?

let say

You are a qazi

You got a Havey telescope like this one

and equipment like this

and you got help of other persons who got similar type of telescopes to sight the moon in all over the country

and then you got weather forecasting and astronomy department verdict with you.


and on the other hand there is an unknown man who claim to see moon with naked eyes.

What should you do.??