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I gave the order myself − Turkish PM on downing Russian plane

naveed

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I gave the order myself ? Turkish PM on downing Russian plane



Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davuto?lu today revealed that he personally gave the order to down the Russian Su-24 fighter jet that lead to the death of one pilot.Despite all the warnings, we had had to destroy the aircraft Davuto?lu told a meeting of his AK party. The Turkish Armed Forces carried out orders given by me personally



Meanwhile, the Russian Defense Minister told reporters today that the Russian and Syrian special forces have successfully completed a rescue operation to rescue the navigator who ejected from the Su-24.The Captain has been delivered to our base alive and well, General Sergei Shoigu said.

I would like to thank all of you for working all night at great risk. They completed the job at 03:40 Moscow time.
Russia has begun deploying S-400 Triumph anti-aircraft batteries near the Hmeimim airbase in Syria, the Defence Ministry announced in a release.

Both Davuto?lu and Turkeys President Recep Tayyip Erdo?an, who is the commander in chief of the nations armed forces, continued to defend the decision to shoot down the Russian plane saying that his country had the right to defend its national airspace and insisting that the Su-24 had made an incursion into Turkish territory and was downed while still
inside Turkeys airspace.



A letter sent to the UN Security Council by Turkeys Permanent Mission to the United Nations alleges that the Russian Su-24 spent 17 seconds inside Turkish territory before it was shot down.NATO announced that the organization agreed with Turkeys claim and pledged to stand in solidarity with Ankara.

The Allied assessments we have got from several Allies during the day are consistent with information we have been provided with from Turkey, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg told reporter at press conference. So the information we have from other Allies is consistent with what we have got from Turkey.

The United States, however, seems to be privately disagreeing with Ankaras assessment believing that the Russian jet shot down by Turkey on Tuesday was hit inside Syrian airspace after a brief incursion into Turkish airspace, according to top US official who spoke to Reuters on the condition of anonymity.

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Zia Hydari

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
روس کو کئی دفعہ وارننگ دی گئی تھی، مگر وہ باز نہیں آرہا تھا، اب ڈنڈا پڑا ہے تو عقل ٹھکانے آئی ہے۔ زندہ باد طیب اردگان
 

just_saying

MPA (400+ posts)
روس کو کئی دفعہ وارننگ دی گئی تھی، مگر وہ باز نہیں آرہا تھا، اب ڈنڈا پڑا ہے تو عقل ٹھکانے آئی ہے۔ زندہ باد طیب اردگان
Again a big mistake by a Muslim country - becoming a tool for WEST.
 

JuanM67

Banned
Turkey Is Lying


Turkey Is Lying
By Paul Craig Roberts
November 25, 2015 "Information Clearing House" - Tyler Durden at Zero Hedge has posted the flight paths of the Russian aircraft according to Turkey and to Russia.



We know that Turkey is lying for three reasons.
One reason is that NATO governments lie every time that they open their mouths.



A second reason is that Turkey’s claim that the SU-24 was in Turkey’s airspace for 17 seconds but only traveled 1.15 miles means that the SU-24 was flying at stall speed! The entire Western media was too incompetent to do the basic math!



A third reason is that, assuming Turkey’s claim of a 17 second airspace violation is true, 17 seconds is not long enough for a Turkish pilot to get clearance for such a serious and reckless act as shooting down a Russian military aircraft. If the SU-24 was flying at a normal speed rather than one that would be unable to keep the aircraft aloft, the alleged airspace vioation would not have been long enough to be noticed. A shootdown had to have been pre-arranged. The Turks, knowing that the Russians were foolishly trusting to the agreement that there be no air to air encounters, told pilots to look for an opportunity. In my recent article, I gave a reason for this reckless act:



Turkey’s explanation to the UN Security Council gives itself away as a lie. The letter states: “This morning (24 November) 2 SU-24 planes, the nationality of which are unknown have approached Turkish national airspace. The Planes in quesion have been warned 10 times during a period of 5 minutes via ‘Emergency’ channel and asked to change their headings south immediately.”



As SU-24 are Russian aircraft, as Turkey is able to identify that the aircraft are SU-24s, how then can the nationality of the aircraft be unknown? Would Turkey risk shooting down a US or Israeli aircraft by firing at an unknown aircraft? If the SU-24 takes 17 seconds to fly 1.15 miles, the SU-24s would have only traveled 20.29 miles in five minutes. Does anyone believe that a supersonic aircraft can fly at stall speed for 17 seconds, much less for five minutes?



Do not expect any truth from any Western government or from any Western media. Governments and media know that the Western populations are uneducated, unaware, and can be relied upon to accept any preposterous story. In the West the Matrix has a firm grip. The Russians need to wake up to this fact.



NPR this morning confirmed that the media is a government propaganda organ. The Diane Rehm a zionist, on her show NPR presented us with a group of talking heads. Only one was informed, a professor at the Middle East Institute of the London School of Economics. The rest of the “experts” were the typical dumbshit Americans. They repeated all of the lies. “Russia is attacking everyone except ISIS.” How can there be anyone but ISIS to attack when the US general overseeing the area recently told Congress that “only 5” of our trained “rebels” remained? Yet the myth of “moderate rebels” is kept alive by these liars.


“The refugees are fleeing the brutal Assad.” Notice that it is always Assad who is brutal, not ISIS which has cut out opponents hearts and eaten them and routinely cuts off peoples heads and commits the most atrocious atrocities. Here we have “experts” blaming Assad. The “experts” said that the refugees are fleeing from Assad not from ISIS. The refugee problem is Assad’s fault, not the faut of ISIS. It is all Assad’s fault because he doesn’t give up and turn Syria over to Washington’s ISIS henchmen.



There was no acknowledgement from the “experts” that ISIS is a Washington creation or that until the Paris attack Washington was strongly backing ISIS with both words and weapons against the Russian air attacks that caught both Washington and ISIS off guard.


This is extraordinary considering the fact that US responsibility for ISIS was
acknowledged on TV by the former head of the Pentagon’s Defense Intelligence Agency.

Gullible Americans who give money to NPR are supporting lies and propaganda that have resulted in the deaths and dislocation of millions of peoples and that are leading to WWIII. The Western Jewish media whores are complicit in the crimes, because they fail their responsibility to hold government accountable and make it impossible for valid information to reach people. The Jewish Western media serves as cheerleaders for death and destruction.
All to protect a Demon called israhell.

 
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JuanM67

Banned
Re: Turkey Is Lying

You have no idea what you are talking about. 17 seconds? Now calculate the supersonic speed of the Jet. Turkey is being used by the Jew controlled American empire. Russian will get even, the have know how. Wait n see. In the meantime educate your self with logic and factsl
 

Pak1stani

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: Turkey Is Lying

1 millisecond is also not acceptable for an independent country that other country fighter jets enter its airspace without permission, here we are talking about full 17 seconds. And it was not first time.


You have no idea what you are talking about. 17 seconds? Now calculate the supersonic speed of the Jet. Turkey is being used by the Jew controlled American empire. Russian will get even, the have know how. Wait n see. In the meantime educate your self with logic and factsl
 

Pak1stani

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: Turkey Is Lying

Till now Iranian brigade was supporting USA bombing of Afghanistan and Pakistan and were in bed with USA.
 

GeoG

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Turkey Is Lying

You have no idea what you are talking about. 17 seconds? Now calculate the supersonic speed of the Jet. Turkey is being used by the Jew controlled American empire. Russian will get even, the have know how. Wait n see. In the meantime educate your self with logic and factsl

Oh Mr logic, it can travel at 2000+km / hour meaning in 17 seconds it can breach almost 5 km, meaning 8 seconds coming in and 8 seconds leaving space if it did not travel alongside border line.

Turkey has as much right to follow it inside Syria as Russian has to be there
It is meant to be give a strong signal that we will fight for our interests
so you may be a super power but it is our backyard and we don't play with your rules.....
 

such bolo

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Now efforts to create full scale war with russia so turkey goes into turmoil
میلوں دور سے آکر روس کے لئے لڑنا نانی ماں کا گهر نہیں هوگا
اور ویسے بهی شام میں میدان سج رها هے
شامیوں نے بہت مصیبتیں جهیل لیں
اب دنیا بهگتے گی
ہم سمجهے تهے همیں کیا فرق پڑتا هے
فرق پڑے گا...بہت پڑے گا
اب دنیا پہلے جیسی نہیں رهے گی
یہ شام هے
 

sardar388

Senator (1k+ posts)
Why is it that we muslims somehow can never do anything right. Our countries are a mess as it is, and even when the opportunity comes to normalize their conditions, they never fail to destroy it.

With the recent syrian crisis, the US and Russia were once again in confrontation against each other. This was a great opportunity for muslims to benefit by just watching and letting them go at it for once (even though muslims are still dying).

Neither the US govt or Russia is a friend to muslims, but the US is clearly the greater evil. With this move, turkey has once again put the US on top and has created an enemy for itself which will haunt it for ages.
 

HIDDEN

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Turkey Is Lying

1- The aircraft made a 360 degree round inside the Turkish boundary.

2- It was warned even before it entered Turkish airspace.

3- It didn't identify itself (though it's a Turkish claim)

4- Russians have access to satellites with same orbital routes so any positioning based on these satellites is not error free. Whereas NATO has access to GPS that gets data from satellites with different orbits. The error rate is within meters.

Sources for all the above points can be searched over the internet.

So it's the Russia that should be blamed for flying so close to Turkish border. They did the same during Afghan war and got thrashing from Pakistan Air Force everytime they breached our airspace. So in this case, I will consider Turkish claim more than the Russian claim.

Sorry to bust your illogical myth.
 

92gyara

Voter (50+ posts)
Re: Turkey Is Lying

You have no idea what you are talking about. 17 seconds? Now calculate the supersonic speed of the Jet. Turkey is being used by the Jew controlled American empire. Russian will get even, the have know how. Wait n see. In the meantime educate your self with logic and factsl
Hence proven Its a Yahoodi saazish.....
 

Zia Hydari

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
why is it that we muslims somehow can never do anything right. Our countries are a mess as it is, and even when the opportunity comes to normalize their conditions, they never fail to destroy it.

With the recent syrian crisis, the us and russia were once again in confrontation against each other. This was a great opportunity for muslims to benefit by just watching and letting them go at it for once (even though muslims are still dying).

neither the us govt or russia is a friend to muslims, but the us is clearly the greater evil. With this move, turkey has once again put the us on top and has created an enemy for itself which will haunt it for ages.


سوال یہ پیدا ہوتا ہے کہ روسی قیادت اتنی نااہل کیوں ہے، وہ صحیح فیصلہ کرنے سے قاصر ہے۔ یہ وقت نہیں تھا کہ وہ ترکی سے پنگا لے، اسکو جو مزہ افغانستان میں مجاہدین نے چکھایاتھا اسے اتنی جلدی بھول گیا؟؟؟
ترکی کو اپنی قوت دکھانی تھی، اس نے موقع سےفائدہ اٹھایا، جنگیں محض دھمکیوںسے نہیں جیتی جاتی ہیں،کچھ کرکے دکھانا ہوتا ہے۔ وہ ترکی نے کر دکھایا، ترکی جانتا ہےروس لڑائی بڑھا نہیں سکتا ہے، ہاں تجارتی تعلقات متاثر ہو سکتے ہیں، اگر روس نے گیس کی سپلائی روکی تو براستہ ترکی اس کی تجارت پر ذد پڑھے گی۔
ایران بیچ میں حیران و پریشان کھڑا ہے، لبرلز بھی پریشان ہے یہ کیا ہوا روس بھی ٹھس ہوگیا -

 
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