Calling another Muslim a Kafir ? A very very serious Issue... Please please read it...

[FaisalKh]

There are many brothers/sisters here who call each other qadiani, jew, kafir etc... even though they might not be sure about it... Please read the following two Hadith shareef how serious this matter is and if someone dies in the state of kufr what will be his/her destination everybody knows very well... Please never ever call a Muslim brother/sister kaafir as this reverts to the caller if other person is Muslim... May Allah SWT save and strengthen our Eemaan and increase our Knowledge of Deen Aameen... :jazak:

Chapter 326
Prohibition of Calling a Muslim an Infidel



1732. Ibn `Umar (May Allah be pleased with them) said: The Messenger of Allah pbuh said, "When a person calls his brother (in Islam) a disbeliever, one of them will certainly deserve the title. If the addressee is so as he has asserted, the disbelief of the man is confirmed, but if it is untrue, then it will revert to him.''
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].

Commentary: We learn from this Hadith that to call a Muslim a Kafir is strictly prohibited because if the one who has been called as such does not have the traits which makes him a Kafir, then the one who says it will be held Kafir.



1733. Abu Dharr (May Allah be pleased with him) said: I heard the Messenger of Allah pbuh saying, "If somebody accuses another of disbelief or calls him the enemy of Allah, such an accusation will revert to him (the accuser) if the accused is innocent.''
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].

Commentary: This Hadith also tells us that to call without reason any Muslim a Kafir or enemy of Allah is strictly prohibited.



Source: http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/hadeeth/riyad/17/chap326.htm

 

[w-a-n-t-e-d-]

Re: A very very serious Issue... Please please read it...

ji bilkul kise musalman ko kafir nahi kehna chaeyh

magar kafir ko tu kafir kehna Sunatullah Hai Sunnat-e-Rusool saww hai na bhai ???

 

[FaisalKh]

Re: A very very serious Issue... Please please read it...

ji bilkul kise musalman ko kafir nahi kehna chaeyh

magar kafir ko tu kafir kehna Sunatullah Hai Sunnat-e-Rusool saww hai na bhai ???

Jiii aap sahi kehtey hain ke kafir ko kafir hi kehna chahiye lekin yahan hum political issues per ya geographical issues per dosray Muslim brothers ko qadiani, jew , kaafir waghera keh daltay hain (Allah SWT maaf karay Aaameen) halankay aap ke paas koe thoss saboot nahi hota ke aaya wo waqae non Muslim hai?... Humain is se bachna chahiye kyon ke Hadith Shareef mai wazih tor per bataya gaya hai ke us ke kiya nuksanaat hain :jazak:

 

[w-a-n-t-e-d-]

Re: A very very serious Issue... Please please read it...

Jiii aap sahi kehtey hain ke kafir ko kafir hi kehna chahiye lekin yahan hum political issues per ya geographical issues per dosray Muslim brothers ko qadiani, jew , kaafir waghera keh daltay hain (Allah SWT maaf karay Aaameen) halankay aap ke paas koe thoss saboot nahi hota ke aaya wo waqae non Muslim hai?... Humain is se bachna chahiye kyon ke Hadith Shareef mai wazih tor per bataya gaya hai ke us ke kiya nuksanaat hain :jazak:

BarakAllah Fi'

Apny bohat achi baat kahi

kise ko lisani ya zubani tassub ki bunyad pay nahi kehna chaeyh...


Aqaed ki bunyaad pay kehna chayeh wo bhi thoos daleel k sath ... warna khamoshi achi

 

[United4Pak]

You are preaching among the people where majority believe if you disagree with them then you are tafkiri, kafiir, indian agent, CIA taw agent and qadiyani Zionist too.

 

[shamsheer]

You are preaching among the people where majority believe if you disagree with them then you are tafkiri, kafiir, indian agent, CIA taw agent and qadiyani Zionist too.

I liked your post becuase I see the message but do not mix Qadiyanies, Indian Agents, CIA agents with muslims. Every body who beleives in Kalima Tayaba and consider Prophet Muhammad Ibn Abdullah PBUH as the last and final messenger and after that no body gets wahi of any kind is a muslim and should not be called kafir no matter how bad their beliefs are. According to Imam Malik there is no argument in deen and a momin only argue with a non muslim but we have ganga flowing in reverse in most cases.

 

[phoenix]

Well said ganga flowing in reverse and that is because we lack patience in our selves.May Allah swt give all of patience to understand our muslim brothers.

 

[crankthskunk]

You are preaching among the people where majority believe if you disagree with them then you are tafkiri, kafiir, indian agent, CIA taw agent and qadiyani Zionist too.

Well, those who are known Qadianis then they should be called Qadianis. For rest I agree, we shouldn't be worried about the Sects and divisions. As I said before, most of the sects and divisions were created 150 to 250 years ago in India during the time of the British. Who had a well advertised policy of "divide and rule".

Let's look at the facts, during that period we had "Deobandi" "Bralvi" "Ahle-Hadis" sects established in India, then there was "Sir Syed" who started to use "Laws of nature" for the translation of the Holy Quran, his purposeful distortions about the Holy Quran's meanings have created many more deviant people in India and Pakistan. And then there was "Mirza Kazzab".

I warn my Muslim brothers and sister about one deception of "Qadianis", many people fall victim to their deception and call them "Ahmadis". Please if you are Muslims never ever call them "Ahmadis". If you do, they succeeded.

Let me explain please, Mirza said he is the real "Ahmad", who was mentioned in the Bible as prophecy for a coming of a Prophet. And then another lie that in the Holy Quran the verse 61:6 also mentioned Mirza's name (Nauzobillah).

61:6 And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the apostle of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of an Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!"

We know that the verse is for Prophet Muhammad SAW, whose name was also "Ahmad" SAW.

So if you call them "Ahmadis" you fall to their deception and accept that he is not only a Prophet prophecised in the Bible but also his name was mentioned in the Holy Quran (Nauzobillah).

Mirza was a Ghulam of Ahmad, and not Ahmad SAW who is our beloved Prophet. That's why he was named Ghulam-e-Ahmad like million others in the sub-continent.

Please don't fall pray to their deception, my request to all of you.

 

[Night_Hawk]

Well, those who are known Qadianis then they should be called Qadianis. For rest I agree, we shouldn't be worried about the Sects and divisions. As I said before, most of the sects and divisions were created 150 to 250 years ago in India during the time of the British. Who had a well advertised policy of "divide and rule".

Let's look at the facts, during that period we had "Deobandi" "Bralvi" "Ahle-Hadis" sects established in India, then there was "Sir Syed" who started to use "Laws of nature" for the translation of the Holy Quran, his purposeful distortions about the Holy Quran's meanings have created many more deviant people in India and Pakistan. And then there was "Mirza Kazzab".

I warn my Muslim brothers and sister about one deception of "Qadianis", many people fall victim to their deception and call them "Ahmadis". Please if you are Muslims never ever call them "Ahmadis". If you do, they succeeded.

Let me explain please, Mirza said he is the real "Ahmad", who was mentioned in the Bible as prophecy for a coming of a Prophet. And then another lie that in the Holy Quran the verse 61:6 also mentioned Mirza's name (Nauzobillah).



We know that the verse is for Prophet Muhammad SAW, whose name was also "Ahmad" SAW.

So if you call them "Ahmadis" you fall to their deception and accept that he is not only a Prophet prophecised in the Bible but also his name was mentioned in the Holy Quran (Nauzobillah).

Mirza was a Ghulam of Ahmad, and not Ahmad SAW who is our beloved Prophet. That's why he was named Ghulam-e-Ahmad like million others in the sub-continent.

Please don't fall pray to their deception, my request to all of you.

Jazak Allah Khair brother.
You have put it very eloquently. I do read your comments regularly, and those comments are worth reading.

 

[crankthskunk]

Jazak Allah Khair brother.
You have put it very eloquently. I do read your comments regularly, and those comments are worth reading.

Thank you brother for nice comments. I am just doing my duty as a Muslim and for the Love of our beloved Prophet Muhammad SAW.

 

[EniGma90]

Well, those who are known Qadianis then they should be called Qadianis. For rest I agree, we shouldn't be worried about the Sects and divisions. As I said before, most of the sects and divisions were created 150 to 250 years ago in India during the time of the British. Who had a well advertised policy of "divide and rule".

Let's look at the facts, during that period we had "Deobandi" "Bralvi" "Ahle-Hadis" sects established in India, then there was "Sir Syed" who started to use "Laws of nature" for the translation of the Holy Quran, his purposeful distortions about the Holy Quran's meanings have created many more deviant people in India and Pakistan. And then there was "Mirza Kazzab".

I warn my Muslim brothers and sister about one deception of "Qadianis", many people fall victim to their deception and call them "Ahmadis". Please if you are Muslims never ever call them "Ahmadis". If you do, they succeeded.

Let me explain please, Mirza said he is the real "Ahmad", who was mentioned in the Bible as prophecy for a coming of a Prophet. And then another lie that in the Holy Quran the verse 61:6 also mentioned Mirza's name (Nauzobillah).



We know that the verse is for Prophet Muhammad SAW, whose name was also "Ahmad" SAW.

So if you call them "Ahmadis" you fall to their deception and accept that he is not only a Prophet prophecised in the Bible but also his name was mentioned in the Holy Quran (Nauzobillah).

Mirza was a Ghulam of Ahmad, and not Ahmad SAW who is our beloved Prophet. That's why he was named Ghulam-e-Ahmad like million others in the sub-continent.

Please don't fall pray to their deception, my request to all of you.

[MENTION=12943]crankthskunk[/MENTION] Bro, Mashalla very well described, :d6c: It was the british empire (dajjals empire in fact) who created many sects among muslims and now these new born sects are declaring everybody apostate except them... Inkay siwa sab kafir hayn ...lol

 

[Malik495]

Re: A very very serious Issue... Please please read it...

Jiii aap sahi kehtey hain ke kafir ko kafir hi kehna chahiye lekin yahan hum political issues per ya geographical issues per dosray Muslim brothers ko qadiani, jew , kaafir waghera keh daltay hain (Allah SWT maaf karay Aaameen) halankay aap ke paas koe thoss saboot nahi hota ke aaya wo waqae non Muslim hai?... Humain is se bachna chahiye kyon ke Hadith Shareef mai wazih tor per bataya gaya hai ke us ke kiya nuksanaat hain :jazak:

Acha to phir kaafir ko kis naam se pukarna chaye bhayya? musalmaan to kahnay se rahay............

 

[United4Pak]

Well, those who are known Qadianis then they should be called Qadianis. For rest I agree, we shouldn't be worried about the Sects and divisions. As I said before, most of the sects and divisions were created 150 to 250 years ago in India during the time of the British. Who had a well advertised policy of "divide and rule".

Let's look at the facts, during that period we had "Deobandi" "Bralvi" "Ahle-Hadis" sects established in India, then there was "Sir Syed" who started to use "Laws of nature" for the translation of the Holy Quran, his purposeful distortions about the Holy Quran's meanings have created many more deviant people in India and Pakistan. And then there was "Mirza Kazzab".

I warn my Muslim brothers and sister about one deception of "Qadianis", many people fall victim to their deception and call them "Ahmadis". Please if you are Muslims never ever call them "Ahmadis". If you do, they succeeded.

Let me explain please, Mirza said he is the real "Ahmad", who was mentioned in the Bible as prophecy for a coming of a Prophet. And then another lie that in the Holy Quran the verse 61:6 also mentioned Mirza's name (Nauzobillah).



We know that the verse is for Prophet Muhammad SAW, whose name was also "Ahmad" SAW.

So if you call them "Ahmadis" you fall to their deception and accept that he is not only a Prophet prophecised in the Bible but also his name was mentioned in the Holy Quran (Nauzobillah).

Mirza was a Ghulam of Ahmad, and not Ahmad SAW who is our beloved Prophet. That's why he was named Ghulam-e-Ahmad like million others in the sub-continent.

Please don't fall pray to their deception, my request to all of you.

I think you didn't get my point. If someone wants to call himself Qadiyani/ Ahmadi/ Christian then let them be. It's like if I want to call myself Muslim then let me be. I just believe in one Allah and Mohammed (pbuh) his last prophet so let me call myself muslim and don't call me a CIA agent, RAW agent, Qadiyani just because I don't agree to your version of understanding of Islam/ politics etc.

 

[karachiwala]

I think you didn't get my point. If someone wants to call himself Qadiyani/ Ahmadi/ Christian then let them be. It's like if I want to call myself Muslim then let me be. I just believe in one Allah and Mohammed (pbuh) his last prophet so let me call myself muslim and don't call me a CIA agent, RAW agent, Qadiyani just because I don't agree to your version of understanding of Islam/ politics etc.

The following paragraphs are from the article "

Common doubts about
The Qadiani Sect
by Yusuf Smith
​

If anyone wants to know why Muslims react so strongly to false prophets, they should look at our religion, and our experience, which begins from the time of the Sahaba. Islam is truth, and although "Truth stands apart from error", its defenders are also given the authority to defend it. This includes fighting false prophets and their followers, by the sword if necessary. The most notorious false prophet from that period was Musaylima, who was notorious for his brutality; he tortured the Muslims' messenger (Habib b. Zaid, may Allah be pleased with him) to death by hacking off his limbs in front of a group of people. Another, Al-Aswad al-Ansi, demonstrated the falsity of his claims to anyone who was in doubt through his diabolical behaviour in Yemen. He was killed by a Sahabi named Fayruz al-Daylami (radhi' Allahu 'anhu), and the Prophet (sall' Allahu 'alaihi wa sallam) called him a "righteous servant". As for Musaylima himself, two Sahabis are credited with killing him (Abdullah b. Zaid, the brother of the aforementioned Habib, and Wahshi, may Allah be pleased with them all). They are praised for this, because it was good. Musaylima was an enemy of Islam and a cruel tyrant.
Read any account of the Qadianis' behaviour in Pakistan, and you will discover that they are a vile, diabolical sect whose "civilised" front is just that - a front. Given the way the Sahaba reacted to the early false Prophets in the Arabian peninsula, one can only conclude that the Qadianis have got off lightly in Pakistan. They still exist, and the Pakistani government does not allow them to call themselves Muslims because they are not Muslims. You cannot sell an empty box and call it a computer if it has no CPU inside. With that borne in mind, how can someone be allowed to call something Islam, when it rejects (whatever weasel words it uses) a central tenet of Islamic doctrine (aqida)?
Some people who spend time with Qadianis are impressed by the superficial unity and friendliness of this group, in comparison with what one may find in some of the mosques set up by Sunnis from the subcontinent. I have to add here that I have never encountered hostility in any of the Sunni mosques I have attended (except in one, and that was not from Sunnis), but there is a very simple reason why the Qadianis are united, which is that in comparison with Sunni Islam they are a tiny sect. The Muslim Council of Britain estimates that the sect (which, by the way, is notorious for exaggerating its membership) has no more than a million members worldwide, (and most of these are Punjabis, as with the Sikh cult); Sunnism, on the other hand, has hundreds of millions of adherents in a swathe of land which stretches all the way from Morocco to the Phillipines and Indonesia; it is a major religion in Russia and China, and in Africa; its members speak all of the world's major languages. Yet despite all this diversity, they all follow four schools of law and two (very similar and mutually accepting) schools of doctrine. A Sunni Muslim from Morocco would find the customs of Indonesia, Kenya or Pakistan not dissimilar from his own. This is a miraculous proof of the Truth of Islam, and this situation remained through centuries when there were no telephones or computer networks. Like the Jews, until quite recently, the Qadianis are able to keep their membership united by rattling off tales of their past persecutions and trials. (Unlike the Jews, their 'persecution' has not included massacres, pogroms and death camps.) It is also easy for the Qadianis to play up their "friendliness" and "unity" to score empty points off other Pakistanis, and to liberalise aspects of their religious law. In truth, they have no ethnic division because almost all of their Pakistani flock come from one ethnic group: the Punjabis. They do not have sectarian divisions, because they are a small sect themselves. They do not have a Breilawi/Deobandi division problem, because the Breilawis and Deobandis are two separate groupings while the Qadianis are a third, who unlike the other two, are not Muslim. So let no-one be deceived by these tactics of theirs.

 

[FaisalKh]

Re: A very very serious Issue... Please please read it...

Acha to phir kaafir ko kis naam se pukarna chaye bhayya? musalmaan to kahnay se rahay............

Kaafir ko to bhai kaafir hi kehtay hain... yahan to baat Muslims ki ho rahi hai jin ko without any knowledge hum non Muslims ke alqaab de daitay hain halankay ye kaafi serious baat hai... agar kisi ko apni akhirat ki fikar hai to..... :jazak:

 

[karachiwala]

Special Correspondent in Kababeer
Dr. A. M. Odeh [SIZE=+3]K[/SIZE]ababeer, a small town on Mount Karmel in Haifa, Occupied Palestine in Israel, is the center of Ahmadiyya activities inside Israel. Established in 1928, 99% of the residents of this town belong to Ahmadiyya creed, whose ancestor, Mr. Abdul Qadir Odeh, was the first Palestinian to embrace Ahmadiyyat at the hand of an Ahmadiyya Missionary from India, Jalaluddin Shams, under the false impression that Mirza Ghulam is a reformer and a Mujaddid in Islam. Little did he know at the time that this reformer in Islam, had later claimed to have become a Promised Messiah and Prophet in his own right. Some 2000 members of this community belong to more or less to the same family. In recent years the numbers have been dwindling and currently they are estimated to be only around 850 Qadianis in Palestine.
Qadiani Community occupies a special place in the Israeli/Western clandestine world. They have played a significant role as spies during and the 1st and 2nd world wars in the Middle Eastern Region. Full extent of their activities can be read from the articles under the heading of "Ahmadiyya Movement - British Jewish Connection" on my web site.
It is worth remembering that Kababeer is strategically located on Mount Karmel, overlooking the Athleeth Harbour and it Naval Base and Ordinance factory on one side and the Haifa Harbour on the other. 99% population of this town is Palestinian Arab belonging to Qadiani community. Zionists have known to displace/eleminate Palestinians from areas of much less importance. The village of Dier Yaseen was wiped from the face of earth, killing all its inhabitants. (Crossroads to Israel by Christopher Sykes, Promise and Fulfilment by Arthur Koestler, The Other Exodus by Erskine Childerns) and yet the same Zionists continue to tolerate Qadianis residence at such an important place for obvious reasons. Jama'at Ahmadiyya publishes its arabic propaganda literature by the name of AlBushra, from this place for distribution among the Arab World.
Even today Ahmadis play significant role in the Israeli administration. By taking advantage of their Palestinian origin, their muslim-sounding names and by the ignorance of people about the true nature of Ahmadiyya Movement, they play the role of fifth columnists among the Palestinian muslims, protecting the interest of their Masters. For instance:

• Musa Sarwar: The Incharge of Passport and ID Card section in the Ministry of Interior.
• Abdullah Asad: 'Raees Bait-ul-Tasaareekh' Incharge of the Dept which gives permission to build houses in Israel. No wonder Arab homes are every now and then being demolished. This man takes advantage of his Arab identity to inflitrate and perform his clandestine activities against arabs.
• Ibrahim Asad: During 60s to 80s he was the Mossad agent in Germany but was deported when he was exposed. Now he is 'Mufattish Fanni' Inspector of Schools for Arabs. In this capacity he controls the kind of education and research is being done in Arab Colleges and Universities inside Israel. He never allows such research which can elevate the Palestinians inside Israel.
• Jama'at Ahmadiyya has special links with the Zionist state. Ahmadiyya Headquarter play host to the Jewish Dignitaries from Israel. (Khatme Nabuwat Magazine Vol. 9. No. 5, P.8)
• During the crackdown on Arabs inside Israel, as soon as the ID cards show the place of residence is Kababeer, soldiers allow the bearer of the card to go free, saying: Let him go. This is our man.

I (Dr. A Odeh) have been a born Ahmadi, an unfortunate event over which I had no control. I had been very active in various official capacities in the community - President Khuddamul Ahmadiyya, Member Majlis-e-Shoora, President of Stockholm Jamaat and finally President of Jamaat Ahmadiyya of Sweden, a post which I held till I denounced Mirza Ghulam A Qadiani and Ahmadiyyat in 1989. Fa AlHamdolillah 'ala zaalik. During my recent visit to Kababeer, I discovered some very startling things which I would like to share with my readers. Like anywhere else in the Ahmadiyya Jamaat, the community in Israel is always controlled by the Missionary, who is usually a Punjabi Qadiani, usually bearing Indian Passport, since a Pakistani is not allowed in Israel. The post of Missionary or Mubasshir, as he is usually called, is a very lucrative one, giving a lot of material benefits. Missionary in Israel was not any different in that sense and this had created a lot of harsh feelings among the qadianis of Kababeer. The last Missionary, Mr Kauther Qadiani from India, made a lot of money in the name of collecting chanda for the new mosque. Ordinary qadianis grew resentful and tired of financial offerings to the Missionary in charge who was more interested in filling his pockets than doing tabsheer. They complained to the London headquarter and Mr Kauther was disgracefully removed in the summer of 1997.
These activities of Missioanries has resulted in the division of Jama'at into three factions in recent years:

1. True Ahmadis - who are with the Missionaries and thus with the London Leadership.
2. Ahmadies who are openly against Missionaries, but still respect the HQ.
3. Ahmadies who are least bothered about the present day Jamaat in London.

After the departure of Mr Kauther, a Palestinian, Mr. Falah Odeh, became a temporary Amir of the Israeli Jama'at. For a period of seven months, from June 1997 to Dec. 1997, there was no Missionary in Israel. In Dec 1997, a new young missionary, Mr. Baset Rasool Daar, arrived from India. He hailed from Kashmir and felt proud of his Jewish lineage, one of his parents being of Jewish descent. Missionary order Qadianis to kill their daughters:

This new missionary who arrived at the end of 1997, was a young man, who speaks good English but knows only little Arabic. He had a uphill task of establishing the authority of Missionary-in-charge. Because of the dwindling population of Ahmadis, he
ordered all Ahmadis to fill in the Ba'ait form again. Palestinians in Isreal, Ahmadis and non-Ahmadis have been living a life where they were comfortably intermixing with Muslims, who are totally ignorant of the real beliefs of Mirza Ghulam A Qadiani. The younger generation is more open minded, and mixed marriages were not uncommon. Soon this new missioanry discovered that some of the girls belonging to the Qadiani families are either engaged or married to Muslims living in other areas. One such person was M.A. Odeh who is the father of two grown up children. He is a born Qadiani, an Acamedician and a Contractor by profession. He had been a devout Ahmadi all his life and had previously taught at the Ahmadiyya School in Kababeer. His son is also a devoted Ahmadi and is close to the new missionary, Mr. Daar. When M.A. Odeh submitted the duly filled Ba'aith form for his family, Missionary refused to accept his Ba'aith form, until he forces his daughter to break the engagement with a Muslim. He asked the missionary what does he think of his son who is close to him. Missionary expressed his total satisfaction with the young ahmadi. M.A. then said that he gave the same upbringing to both his children, one chose to remain Ahmadi and the other chose to leave it. Missionary again asked him to force his daughter to break this engagement. When he expressed his inability to do that, to his utter dismay, missionary ordered him to kill his daughter. There was so much he can take. He started screaming at the missionary. The other person present tried to play down the whole issue by saying that the Missionary does not speak english well and perhaps there is some misunderstanding. But M.A., who himself speaks good English, said that Missionary speaks good English and there is no confusion what he is saying and that he wants me either to stop my daughter from getting married to a Muslim or kill her.
Another Ahmadi had a similar experience. M.M.Odeh is an iron monger by profession and lives beside the Ahmadiyya Mosque. He is a born Ahmadi with three grown up daughters. When he took his Ba'aith form, missionary refused to accept it until he force his daughter to break her engagement with a Muslim. When he expressed his inability to do that, Missionary ordered him to kill his daughter. M.M. could not believe his ears.
Similar incidents were reported with other Ahmadis whose daughters are engaged or married to Muslims. People are wondering what kind of a reformer/prophet Mirza was and what kind of Islam he is preaching? Holy Prophet Muhammad SAAW put an end to the killing of daughters by the pagan Arabs and this so-called prophet's missionaries are asking them to kill their daughters!!!
While this controversy is continuing, a new, older Missionary, Mr. Mohammed Omar, has arrived from Qadian Indian, to contain the damage done by the militant approach of Mr. Baset Daar.
Dr. A.M. Odeh
Dr. Syed Rashid Ali
Anti Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam
5th June 1999

 

[crankthskunk]

I think you didn't get my point. If someone wants to call himself Qadiyani/ Ahmadi/ Christian then let them be. It's like if I want to call myself Muslim then let me be. I just believe in one Allah and Mohammed (pbuh) his last prophet so let me call myself muslim and don't call me a CIA agent, RAW agent, Qadiyani just because I don't agree to your version of understanding of Islam/ politics etc.

I not only got your point but agreed to it in most part except one. I have already explained it and the brothers here understood perfectly well what I wrote.

Another Brother posted an Article about other Kazzabs who claimed Prophethood. Now let me expand on that a little, in the fight against Muslim Kazzab hundreds some say thousands of Sahaba's RA were "Martyred". You will agree, Sahabas RA were taught the Holy Quran and Islam by no other than our Beloved Prophet SAW. I think I can safely say, they understood Islam better than anyone of us and others who are in this world at present or recent past. Now you should think, were their scarifies and Martyrdom without reasons?

They could have adopted the same attitude, let them call themselves "Muslims". Couldn't they? So why they did not allowed it? You think about it.

Let me inform my brothers and sisters here, for almost 5 years I have advertised my "Butler Test" and challenged Qadianis to take up on my test. My "Butler Test" is based on simple principle of "Identity" and its theft. Identity theft is a criminal offence in most of the Western Countries.

I challenge any Qadiani to give me a written undertaking that he/she agrees on the principle that a "Butler" or any other servant in the Royal household can remove his/her title and call himself/herself as King/Queen. For example a "Butler" to the Queen can remove her title of Butler and can proclaim that she is "The Queen". And not "Butler to the Queen".

If anyone has the courage, I will issue them a high court writ. To date, no Qadiani dared to take up this challenge, knowing fully well if any such case hit the headlines, not only they would lose the case to support such ridiculous idea but also would get huge negative publicity.

They are two mindful and scared to disturb the Queen, British Government and people etc for subscribing to such an idea.
But these liars have no shame to steal the name of our Holy Prophet SAW.

After all there is no difference, Mirza Kazab was Ghulam-e-Ahmad i.e. Servant/Slave of Ahmad. But this liar removed his title of Servant/Slave given by his parents to show their love towards Prophet SAW, and proclaimed that he is actual "Ahmad" who was prophesised in the Bible and based on this Prophesy the Holy Quran actually state "Ahmad" the second name of Prophet SAW.

Now you are trying to mislead Muslims here that it should be ok for them to call themselves mischievously as "Ahmadis" trying to fool the Muslims? And despite me explaining in very clear manner why they call themselves "Ahmadis" you say we should let them succeed establishing "Mirza Kazzab" as a Prophet mentioned in the Holy Quran and Holy Bible?

What agenda do you have actually?

 

[cefspan]

Re: A very very serious Issue... Please please read it...

ji bilkul kise musalman ko kafir nahi kehna chaeyh

magar kafir ko tu kafir kehna Sunatullah Hai Sunnat-e-Rusool saww hai na bhai ???

Bhai, kabhi kisi katar maulvi sae behas kraen , if u outclass him , tab wo ap ko kafir bhi kahae ga aur gaaliyan bhi nikalae ga......

 

[canadian]

I agree.We should obsolutely avoid that.That creates rift and bitterness which eventually leads to fragmentation of our faith.

 

[truemuslim]

Kafir ko kafir nahin kahain gay to kiya kahain.
Miza claimed to be reincarnation of Prophet SAW and Issa AS as well as return of all prophets of Islam and Jews and Christians and also return of Krishnaa. Then he claimed to be Allah himself in his kashaff (true dream)
Any good muslim should consider them kafir.