World of Sufism (Tasawwuf Ki Dunya)...Some Worth Reading Articles

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Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
waisay mujhay aaj tak samjh nahi aai aap logoon ki ,aap in buzurgoon se itna jelus Q ho,jaisya shetan in se jelus hota hai,har nimaz mein aap khud kehtya ho,surah Fatia ki akhri ayet ka tarjama, hum ko un logoon k rastay par chalaa jin par tera inaam howa,na k un k rastay par jin par tera ghazab howa,ab aap batao wo loog kon hain jin par inaam howa,itni mukhalfat shetan b nahi karta in naik logoon ki jitni apa kartay ho,ALLAH k wali mean dost ka zikar suntay hi aap k mathay par bal par jatay hain y,?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zeDeu-Jisw

Dear lotaa buzurg wohi sahab hen jo logoon ko deen ki taraf laayen na ke woh jo apni pooja paat main logoon ko lagaayen.

Jin logoon ne quran ko khud samjha aur doosrun ko samjhaaya woh log sab ke liye qqable ehtraam log hen. Lakin badqismati se bahot se log mehz friqwariyat phelaate hen aur man gharat kisse kahaniyan jo quran se door le jaate hen.

regards and all the best
 
waisay mujhay aaj tak samjh nahi aai aap logoon ki ,aap in buzurgoon se itna jelus Q ho,jaisya shetan in se jelus hota hai,har nimaz mein aap khud kehtya ho,surah Fatia ki akhri ayet ka tarjama, hum ko un logoon k rastay par chalaa jin par tera inaam howa,na k un k rastay par jin par tera ghazab howa,ab aap batao wo loog kon hain jin par inaam howa,itni mukhalfat shetan b nahi karta in naik logoon ki jitni apa kartay ho,ALLAH k wali mean dost ka zikar suntay hi aap k mathay par bal par jatay hain y,?

ان لوگوں کے راستے پر چلا جن پر تیرا انعام ھوا نہ کہہ ان کے جن پر عذاب۔ انعام ان پر ھوا جو اللہ کے بتائے راستے پر چلے۔ جنہوں نے اللہ کے بیجھے گئے پیغمبران کی پیروی کی۔ اگر آپ واقعی ان لوگوں کے راستے پر چلنا چاھتے ھیں جن پر انعام ھوا تو نبی پاک صلی اللہ سے بہترین کون ھوگا۔
سیدھی اور سچی بات یہ ھے کہ اللہ انہی لوگوں پر اپنا انعام کرے گا جو اس کے راستے پر چلیں گے۔ اور وہ راستہ اللہ نے ان لوگوں کو کیسے بتایا۔ قرآن سے اور نبی کے عمل سے۔ اب بجائے قرآن اور سنت پر چل کر انعام پانے کے یہ داتا دربار اجمیر شریف سے انعام لینے جاتے ھیں۔ وھاں سجدے کرتے ھٰیں ۔ وھان سے ھی سارے انعامات کا تقاضا کرتے ھیں۔ ان سے جو مر گئے اور کچھہ نہی دے سکتے اور جن کا خود بھی حساب ھونا ھے یہ پہلے ھی ان کی جنت کی کنجی تھما بیٹھی ھیں۔ آیات سے اپنی مرضی کا مطلب نکالتے ھیں اور ضعیف حدیث گھڑ گھڑ کر لاتے ھیں۔ یہ ان لوگوں کے پیچھے چلتے ھیں اور ایک دوسرے کو کافر کہتے ھیں۔ نہ نماز پڑھتے ھیں نہ روزہ رکھتے ھیں نہ زکوات دیتے ھیں ۔ لیکن مزار پر حاضری اور چادر چڑھانا دیوا جلانے تک کی عبادت رھ گئ ھے۔ اللہ ان کو ھدائت دے۔ آمین
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ رضي الله عنه قَالَ : قَالَ رَسُوْلُ اﷲِ صلي الله عليه وآله وسلم : إِنَّ اﷲَ قَالَ : مَنْ عَادَي لِي وَلِيّاً، فَقَدْ آذَنْتُهُ بِالْحَرْبِ، وَمَا تَقَرَّبَ إِلَيَّ عَبْدِيِ بِشَيئٍ أَحَبَّ إِلَيَّ مِمَّا افْتَرَضْتُ عَلَيْهِ، وَمَا يَزَالُ عَبْدِي، يَتَقَرَّبُ إِلَيَّ بِالنَّوَافِلِ حَتَّي أُحِبَّهُ، فَإِذَا أَحَْبَبْتُهُ : کُنْتُ سَمْعَهُ الَّذِي يَسْمَعُ بِهِ، وَبَصَرَهُ الَّذِي يُبْصِرُ بِهِ، وَيَدَهُ الَّتِي يَبْطِشُ بِها، وَرِجْلَهُ الَّتِي يَمْشِي بِهَا، وإنْ سَأَلَنِي، لَأُعْطِيَنَّهُ، وَلَئِنِ اسْتَعَاذَنِي، لَأُعِيْذَنَّهُ، وَمَا تَرَدَّدْتُ عَنْ شَيئٍ أَنَا فَاعِلُهُ تَرَدُّدِي عَنْ نَفْسِ الْمُؤْمِنِ، يَکْرَهُ الْمَوْتَ وَأَنَا أَکْرَهُ مَسَاءَتَهُ.

رَوَاهُ الْبُخَارِيُّ.

الحديث رقم 81 : أخرجه البخاري في الصحيح، کتاب : الرقاق، باب : التواضع، 5 / 2384، الرقم : 6137، وابن حبان في الصحيح، 2 / 58، الرقم : 347، والبيهقي في السنن الکبري، 10 / 219، باب (60)، وفي کتاب الزهد الکبير، 2 / 269، الرقم : 696.

حضرت ابوہریرہ رضی اللہ عنہ سے روایت ہے کہ حضور نبی اکرم صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم نے فرمایا : اللہ تعالیٰ فرماتا ہے : جو میرے کسی ولی سے دشمنی رکھے میں اُس سے اعلانِ جنگ کرتا ہوں اور میرا بندہ ایسی کسی چیز کے ذریعے میرا قرب نہیں پاتا جو مجھے فرائض سے زیادہ محبوب ہو اور میرا بندہ نفلی عبادات کے ذریعے برابر میرا قرب حاصل کرتا رہتا ہے یہاں تک کہ میں اس سے محبت کرنے لگتا ہوں اور جب میں اس سے محبت کرتا ہوں تو میں اس کا کان بن جاتا ہوں جس سے وہ سنتا ہے اور اس کی آنکھ بن جاتا ہوں جس سے وہ دیکھتا ہے اور اس کا ہاتھ بن جاتا ہوں جس سے وہ پکڑتا ہے اور اس کا پاؤں بن جاتا ہوں جس سے وہ چلتا ہے۔ اگر وہ مجھ سے سوال کرتا ہے تو میں اسے ضرور عطا کرتا ہوں اور اگر وہ میری پناہ مانگتا ہے تو میں ضرور اسے پناہ دیتا ہوں۔ میں نے جو کام کرنا ہوتا ہے اس میں کبھی اس طرح متردد نہیں ہوتا جیسے بندۂ مومن کی جان لینے میں ہوتا ہوں۔ اسے موت پسند نہیں اور مجھے اس کی تکلیف پسند نہیں۔

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Dear lotaa, lafaz WALI quran main pusht panai ke mani men istemaal hua hai. The supporter or backer or fighter for the cause.

Allah supports those who fight for his mission. However the question is, what is mission of Allah and who is supporting it and how?

It is most definitely not those mullas and peers who are actually leading people away from the real battle.

Please discuss 2/177, 3/92 etc and see what word BIRRA means NAIKI or freedom from ills in the human society. These false mullas and peers misinterpret the quran and try to hide behind ahadith reports and stories of saints. Long beards and choghaz like jogies to take advantage of simple minded people in the villages.

All this because people think they are highly respected religious people. I am surprised that even highly educated people also support them for reasons best known to themselves.

DEEN is not about vice and virtue in isolation per se but what people do according to the quran to satisfy demands of Allah on one hand and the humanity on the other. The truth becomes evident when we discus things in the open. Make beliefs have no foundation whatsoever in reality.

regards and all the best
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
عَنْ عُمَرَ بْنِ الْخَطَّابِ رضي الله عنه قَالَ : قَالَ النَّبِيُّ صلي الله عليه وآله وسلم : إِنَّ مِنْ عِبَادِ اﷲِ لَأُنَاسًا مَا هُمْ بِأَنْبِيَاءَ وَلَا شُهَدَاءَ يَغْبِطُهُمُ الْأَنْبِيَاءُ وَالشُّهَدَاءُ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ بِمَکَانِهِمْ مِنَ اﷲِ. قَالُوْا : يَا رَسُوْلَ اﷲِ! تُخْبِرُنَا مَنْ هُمْ؟ قَالَ : هُمْ قَوْمٌ تَحَابُّوْا بِرُوْحِ اﷲِ عَلَي غَيْرِ أَرْحَامٍ بَيْنَهُمْ، وَلَا أَمْوَالٍ يَتَعَاطُوْنَهَا، فَوَاﷲِ إِنَّ وُجُوْهَهُمْ لَنُوْرٌ وَإِنَّهُمْ لَعَلَي نُوْرٍ، لَا يَخَافُوْنَ إِذَا خَافَ النَّاسُ، وَلَا يَحْزَنُوْنَ إِذَا حَزِنَ النَّاسُ، وَقَرَأَ هَذِهِ الْآيَةَ : (أَلاَ إِنَّ أَوْلِيَآءَ اﷲِ لَا خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا هُمْ يَحْزَنُوْنَo). (يونس، 10 : 62).

رَوَاهُ أَبُوْدَاوُدَ وَالنَّسَائِيُّ.

الحديث رقم 82 : أخرجه أبو داود في السنن، کتاب : البيوع، باب : في الرهن، 3 : 288، الرقم : 3527، والنسائي في السنن الکبري، سورة يونس، 6 / 362، الرقم : 11236، والبيهقي في شعب الايمان، 6 / 486، الرقم : 8998.

’’حضرت عمر بن خطاب رضی اللہ عنہ سے روایت ہے کہ حضور نبی اکرم صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم نے فرمایا : بے شک اﷲ تعالیٰ کے کچھ ایسے برگزیدہ بندے ہیں جو نہ انبیاء کرام ہیں نہ شہداء، قیامت کے دن انبیاء کرام علیھم السلام اور شہداء انہیں اﷲ تعالیٰ کی طرف سے عطا کردہ مقام دیکھ کر اُن پر رشک کریں گے۔ صحابہ کرام رضی اللہ عنھم نے عرض کیا : یا رسول اﷲ! آپ ہمیں ان کے بارے میں بتائیں کہ وہ کون ہیں؟ آپ صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم نے فرمایا : وہ ایسے لوگ ہیں جن کی ایک دوسرے سے محبت صرف اﷲ تعالیٰ کی خاطر ہوتی ہے نہ کہ رشتہ داری اور مالی لین دین کی وجہ سے۔ اﷲتعالیٰ کی قسم! ان کے چہرے نور ہوں گے اور وہ نور (کے منبروں) پر ہوں گے، انہیں کوئی خوف نہیں ہوگا جب لوگ خوفزدہ ہوں گے، انہیں کوئی غم نہیں ہوگا جب لوگ غم زدہ ہوں گے پھر آپ صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم نے یہ آیت تلاوت فرمائی : ’’خبردار! بیشک اولیاء اللہ پر نہ کوئی خوف ہے اور نہ وہ رنجیدہ و غمگین ہوں گے۔

Dear lotaa, when the quran says that there is not going to be any fear or regret it is about having succeeded in putting in place Allahs revealed rule of law. Once people work accoridng to that law then life will be a lot better because it will be free of man made problems. Our self created problems only arise because we try to work against each other whereas the quran want us to be united and work together towards the goals set by Allah.

These like verse have nothing to do with aqeedah of saints and walies. All muslims are Allah's people if they really are muslims some are better muslims than others because they do more of that whoch Allah tells them and therefore help others more.

I want to point out some thing else as well.

A lot of verses end with Allah is aleem, raheem etc etc. They not only means that Allah knows or is merciful but that Allah makes his mercy known and he make evident for people that he knows by showing it through satisfaction or dissatisfaction of people and animal etc. So that we do not remain ignorant or un-alerted in either case.

When humanity is satisfied the commandment of Allah is fulfilled and they do not complain any more thus Allah makes known things to people if they are doing his work or not.

If humanity is crying in pain and suffering then we are not doing the work Allah told us and that also is made evident to us by crying of humanity out loud.

So the measure of who is working for Allah and who is not can be judged from that as well.

regards and all the best
 
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lotaa

Minister (2k+ posts)
bhai tum ko shayed pata nahi hay zaeef hadees ka ye matlab nahi hota k wo Naoobillah ghalt ya jhoti hadees hoti hai,jao pehlay apnay mufti se zaeef hadees ka matlab pocho,phir baat karna,waisya b aap topic se hat ge ho,baat burugoon mean ALLAH k Wali ko ho rahi thi,aap aam logoon ko b beech mein le aaye,very cheep act,aap ne kaha jo pehlay peghamber Alaihe salaam aaye un k rastay par chalaa,bhai jaan pehli sab shariyat mansookh ho chuki hain,ab bas Shariyat Muhammdi Sallallaho Alaihe Wasallam hay,,aap ki b welknown ki tafseer mein se dekha do k inaam walay loog kon hai,?ta k hum ko b pata chalay k jo apa ne kaha wo sahi hai,k ghalt,suni sunai batoon par nahi saboot aur daleel k sath baat karo,
ان لوگوں کے راستے پر چلا جن پر تیرا انعام ھوا نہ کہہ ان کے جن پر عذاب۔ انعام ان پر ھوا جو اللہ کے بتائے راستے پر چلے۔ جنہوں نے اللہ کے بیجھے گئے پیغمبران کی پیروی کی۔ اگر آپ واقعی ان لوگوں کے راستے پر چلنا چاھتے ھیں جن پر انعام ھوا تو نبی پاک صلی اللہ سے بہترین کون ھوگا۔
سیدھی اور سچی بات یہ ھے کہ اللہ انہی لوگوں پر اپنا انعام کرے گا جو اس کے راستے پر چلیں گے۔ اور وہ راستہ اللہ نے ان لوگوں کو کیسے بتایا۔ قرآن سے اور نبی کے عمل سے۔ اب بجائے قرآن اور سنت پر چل کر انعام پانے کے یہ داتا دربار اجمیر شریف سے انعام لینے جاتے ھیں۔ وھاں سجدے کرتے ھٰیں ۔ وھان سے ھی سارے انعامات کا تقاضا کرتے ھیں۔ ان سے جو مر گئے اور کچھہ نہی دے سکتے اور جن کا خود بھی حساب ھونا ھے یہ پہلے ھی ان کی جنت کی کنجی تھما بیٹھی ھیں۔ آیات سے اپنی مرضی کا مطلب نکالتے ھیں اور ضعیف حدیث گھڑ گھڑ کر لاتے ھیں۔ یہ ان لوگوں کے پیچھے چلتے ھیں اور ایک دوسرے کو کافر کہتے ھیں۔ نہ نماز پڑھتے ھیں نہ روزہ رکھتے ھیں نہ زکوات دیتے ھیں ۔ لیکن مزار پر حاضری اور چادر چڑھانا دیوا جلانے تک کی عبادت رھ گئ ھے۔ اللہ ان کو ھدائت دے۔ آمین
 

WatanDost

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
قرآن کو پڑھو اور اس پر عمل کرنے کی کوشش کرو۔ نبی پاک کی سنت پر چلو۔ اسی کو اپنا لو تو سب مشکلیں آسان ھو جائیں گی۔ یہ بزرگوں والی کہانیاں ایک دفعہ کا ذکر تھا بعد کی باتیں ھیں۔


اور ھم نے قرآن کو آسان کردیا۔ کوئی ھے کہ سوچے سمجھے۔ القرآن


Bahi SUFIA sai koi aisi baat sabit hai kai unhoon nai koi
Kaam ya baat ya taleem QURAN o SUNNAT kai khilaaf ki ho.
Baraey mehrbani jo hamari FEILD nahi us mai ham apney
FATWEY na lagaen tow yeah ziada BEHTAR nahi hai.
 
Bahi SUFIA sai koi aisi baat sabit hai kai unhoon nai koi
Kaam ya baat ya taleem QURAN o SUNNAT kai khilaaf ki ho.
Baraey mehrbani jo hamari FEILD nahi us mai ham apney
FATWEY na lagaen tow yeah ziada BEHTAR nahi hai.

sofia nay dhamaaal wala mazhab mutarif kerwaya. dhamal dance ki islam mein ijazat nahi.
 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Bahi SUFIA sai koi aisi baat sabit hai kai unhoon nai koi
Kaam ya baat ya taleem QURAN o SUNNAT kai khilaaf ki ho.
Baraey mehrbani jo hamari FEILD nahi us mai ham apney
FATWEY na lagaen tow yeah ziada BEHTAR nahi hai.

For your information, following are some quotes from the Sufi books (پڑھو اور سر دھنو).

I am superior to Prophets and I am higher in rank than they are.(Sheikh Mohiuddin Ibn-Arabi, Hadeeqa Sultania pg190)

I have denounced Islam. I believe this is incumbent on people. Allah is God sitting in the heavens, I am the God on earth. (Statement of Hussain bin Mansoor Hallaj, Khateeb Baghdadi Vol 8, Ibne Athir chapter 11:140)

There is none else worthy of worship. Come and worship me.(Mullah Jalaluddin Rumi, Mathnawi 4:52)

This morning Allah wrestled with me. He floored me because I am 2 years younger than He is. (Abul Hassan Kharqani, Fawaid Faridiya pg 78)

Alas! The Muslim fails to understand that Allah can be found only in idol worship.
(Sufi Mahmood Shabistri, Sharah Gulshan-e-Raz pg 294)

My foot is on the neck of every saint. So, I placed my foot on Hazrat Ali's neck. (Abdul Qadir Jeelani, Asrar-ul-Qadam pg 191)

I hate the God who does not appear as a dog or cat. (Ibn-Arabi, Khazeena Imaniyah pg 168)

Whenever Khwaja Maudood Chishti desired to see the Ka’bah, angels airlifted it to the land of Chisht in India. (Malfoozat Khwaja Qutubuddin Bukhtiar Kaki, Fariduddin Ganj Shakar).

One thousand years have gone and so has the time of Muhammad. Now it is my time, the time of Ahmad. The second millennium is mine.(Sheikh Ahmad Sarhindi, the so-called “Mujaddid Alf-Sani”, Revivalist of the Second Millennium. (Mubda-wa-Ma’ad)

Adam cried for 300 years, so much so that birds made nests on his face. His tears brought forth so much grass that it covered his 60 meters long body. (Rahatul Muhibbeen c/o Ameer Khusro. Khwaja Nizamuddin Awlia)

Ba-Yazeed Bustami, supposedly the head of all saints, is quoted in his Malfoozat, the book of narratives:

- I am Glorious, the Ultimate, the Pure. My Glory is beyond description. (Nauzibilla)
- My Kingdom is greater than the Kingdom of God. (Nauzibilla)
- Allah is in my pocket. (Nauzibilla)
- My flag flies higher than the flag of Muhammad (pbuh). (Nauzibilla)
- I dived into the sea of Knowledge while the Prophets watched by the shore.

Ref: Ali Hajweri, “Daata Ganj Bakhsh,” in his Kashfil Mahjoob, pg 255-256 supports Ba-Yazeed Bustami's claim that he was God in human form.

Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti Ajmeri taught his disciples a different Kalema (Creed) “There is no god but Allah and Chishti is His Messenger.” (Khwaja Fareed-ud-Din Ganj Shakar, Fawaed-us-Saalikeen pg 126-127)

Now, what message is Sheikh Afeef-ud-Din Talmisani trying to convey when he says: The Quran is loaded with Shirk (idolatry, polytheism). True Monotheism is that everything in the universe is God. (Malfoozat Talmisani pg 205)

It was right for the Pharaoh to say, “I am God”. He, of course, was a part of the Essence of God. (Malfoozat Talmisani pg 205)

Ba-Yazid Bustami could take the soul of any person whenever he wanted. My uncle Abu Raza Muhammad, upon hearing this became very upset and said, “Ba-Yazid could not return the soul and restore life. I can take a soul and return it as I want.” Then my uncle took the soul of Rahmatullah Kafshdoze and brought him back to life. (Shah Waliullah, Anfasul Afrifain pg 95)

It is obligatory upon a mu’min (believer) that he quits eating and drinking. He must get weak to the point where he becomes unable to pray.
(Sahl bin Abdullah Tastari, Malfoozat Arabi pg 289)

Hazrat Sha’raani was the Sheikh of miracles. He resided in a meadow and used to visit the town riding a wolf. He walked on water. His urine was drinkable like pure milk. (Allama Tareshi’s excerpts, Misra’ Tasawwuf pg 194).

Jalaluddin Rumi never prayed. When the time for prayers came he used to vanish. At last, it was discovered that he used to pray in the Ka’bah -2000 miles away from Quniah, five times a day.
(Khwaja Nizamuddin Awlia, Raahat-il-Quloob).

Once there was a Sheikh who used to grab a dog every day and put him on the prayer rug and said, “O dog, you are in the hands of God!” Those dogs then started walking on water and healed people by giving them Ta’weez (amulets). (Qutubuddin Bakhtiar Kaki, Malfoozat)

The dead body of a dervish was lying in a jungle laughing. I asked him, “You are dead. How can you laugh?” The dead body replied, “This is what happens in the love of Allah.” (Khwaja Ghareeb Nawaz, Moinuddin Chishti Ajmeri, Malfoozat)

The Universe lies within Koh Qaaf (the Mount Caucasus). This mountain is 40 times bigger than the earth. A cow is holding it on its head.(Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti, Dalilul Arifain).

The people of Multan refused to provide fire to Shah Shams Tabrez for roasting meat. He became enraged, brought the sun down and roasted the meat. As people became restless with heat, they came to the saint and asked his forgiveness and then he ordered the sun to go back. Since that day, the town became known for its hot summers. (Ali Quli Baghdadi, Karamaat Shah Tabrez pg 233)

Ibraheem Adham was the governor of Balakh. While hunting, a deer turned back and scolded him. Since that day, Adham quit his throne and became a saint. (“Daata” Ganj Bakhsh, the Giver of Treasures, Kalamil Marghoob pg 229)

There was a 140 year old worshipper. He had an amputated foot. When asked, he said, “I was in I’tikaaf (seclusion for worship in a Masjid). I stepped one foot out. An angel warned me, and I immediately cut off my foot with a knife.” (Moinuddin Chishti Ajmeri in Malfoozat Uthman Harooni)

A man stole shrouds from graves for 40 years, but he went to the highest degree in Paradise.Why? Because he held on to the prayer rug (he prayed all the time). (Malfoozat Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti Ajmeri, by Khwaja Qutub Alam, Daleel Arifain)
 
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Salik

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Can anybody provide any authentic Hadeeth where it is mentioned the our beloved Prophet Muhammad صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم or any Sahabi (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) were capable of being at different places at the same time?

May Allah give hidayat to my Muslim fellows to recognize these fabricated stories and give them knowledge of Quraan and Hadeeth (Aameen)

There is a simple question...which needs answering...

Who are you (What)? Who am I (What)? Who was Prophet pbuh and the rest of Anbia عليهم السلام ??

Is it the soul??? Or is it the body???? Or is it both....

Now ponder upon this dua...

Bismika Rabbi wada'tu janbi, wa bika 'arfa'uhu, fa'in 'amsakta nafsi farhamha, wa 'in 'arsaltaha fahfazha, bima tahfazu bihi 'ibadakas-salihin (You can search it in Sahih Bukhari I believe)

With Your Name my Lord, I lay myself down ; and with Your Name I rise . And if my soul You take , have mercy on it , and if You send it back then protect it as You protect Your righteous slaves.

Does that mean... We SPLIT during sleep.... So are we at two places at the same time...

Can this phenomenon happen consciously??? You can't be sure that it does or it doesn't??? Because u dont have a proof of either... but there are clues it does...

+ Prophet pbuh met Ibrahim AS and a number of prophets عليهم السلام .... I believe they all had passed away and their bodies being buried somewhere on this planet... How were they at these two places at the same time??

I think your query has been answered.....

You think the stories are fabricated... because you dont have first hand experience of what Allah SWT does for those whom He loves... I have....so I think these stories might as well be true...
 
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Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
There is a simple question...which needs answering...

Who are you (What)? Who am I (What)? Who was Prophet pbuh and the rest of Anbia عليهم السلام ??

Is it the soul??? Or is it the body???? Or is it both....

Now ponder upon this dua...

Bismika Rabbi wada'tu janbi, wa bika 'arfa'uhu, fa'in 'amsakta nafsi farhamha, wa 'in 'arsaltaha fahfazha, bima tahfazu bihi 'ibadakas-salihin (You can search it in Sahih Bukhari I believe)

With Your Name my Lord, I lay myself down ; and with Your Name I rise . And if my soul You take , have mercy on it , and if You send it back then protect it as You protect Your righteous slaves.

Does that mean... We SPLIT during sleep.... So are we at two places at the same time...

Can this phenomenon happen consciously??? You can't be sure that it does or it doesn't??? Because u dont have a proof of either... but there are clues it does...

+ Prophet pbuh met Ibrahim AS and a number of prophets عليهم السلام .... I believe they all had passed away and their bodies being buried somewhere on this planet... How were they at these two places at the same time??

I think your query has been answered.....

You think the stories are fabricated... because you dont have first hand experience of what Allah SWT does for those whom He loves... I have....so I think these stories might as well be true...


Jalaluddin Rumi never prayed. When the time for prayers came he used to vanish. At last, it was discovered that he used to pray in the Ka’bah -2000 miles away from Quniah, five times a day. (Khwaja Nizamuddin Awlia, Raahat-il-Quloob).
What a fabricated stories!

Many Sahabi (RA) were alive many years after the death of our beloved Prophet Muhammad
pbuh. Did any of those Sahabi (RA) tell any story like you are quoting above. Were these Sufis of more calibre than Sahabis(RA) ??

کچھ اللہ کا خوف کرو بھائی
 
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Raaz

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
ارْجِعْ إِلَيْهِمْ فَلَنَأْتِيَنَّهُم بِجُنُودٍ لَّا قِبَلَ لَهُم بِهَا وَلَنُخْرِجَنَّهُم مِّنْهَا أَذِلَّةً وَهُمْ صَاغِرُونَ ﴿٣٧﴾ قَالَ يَا أَيُّهَا الْمَلَأُ أَيُّكُمْ يَأْتِينِي بِعَرْشِهَا قَبْلَ أَن يَأْتُونِي مُسْلِمِينَ ﴿٣٨﴾ قَالَ عِفْرِيتٌ مِّنَ الْجِنِّ أَنَا آتِيكَ بِهِ قَبْلَ أَن تَقُومَ مِن مَّقَامِكَ*ۖ وَإِنِّي عَلَيْهِ لَقَوِيٌّ أَمِينٌ ﴿٣٩﴾ قَالَ الَّذِي عِندَهُ عِلْمٌ مِّنَ الْكِتَابِ أَنَا آتِيكَ بِهِ قَبْلَ أَن يَرْتَدَّ إِلَيْكَ طَرْفُكَ*ۚ فَلَمَّا رَآهُ مُسْتَقِرًّا عِندَهُ قَالَ هَـٰذَا مِن فَضْلِ رَبِّي لِيَبْلُوَنِي أَأَشْكُرُ أَمْ أَكْفُرُ*ۖ وَمَن شَكَرَ فَإِنَّمَا يَشْكُرُ لِنَفْسِهِ*ۖ وَمَن كَفَرَ فَإِنَّ رَبِّي غَنِيٌّ كَرِيمٌ ﴿٤٠﴾
Surah An-Namal 37-40
سلیمان نے کہا کہ اے دربار والو! کوئی تم میں ایسا ہے کہ قبل اس کے کہ وہ لوگ فرمانبردار ہو کر ہمارے پاس آئیں ملکہ کا تخت میرے پاس لے آئے (٣٨) جنات میں سے ایک قوی ہیکل جن نے کہا کہ قبل اس کے کہ آپ اپنی جگہ سے اٹھیں میں اس کو آپ کے پاس لاحاضر کرتا ہوں اور میں اس (کے اٹھانے کی) طاقت رکھتا ہوں (اور) امانت دار ہوں (٣٩) ایک شخص جس کو کتاب الہیٰ کا علم تھا کہنے لگا کہ میں آپ کی آنکھ کے جھپکنے سے پہلے پہلے اسے آپ کے پاس حاضر کئے دیتا ہوں۔ جب سلیمان نے تخت کو اپنے پاس رکھا ہوا دیکھا تو کہا کہ یہ میرے پروردگار کا فضل ہے تاکہ مجھے آزمائے کہ میں شکر کرتا ہوں یا کفران نعمت کرتا ہوں اور جو شکر کرتا ہے تو اپنے ہی فائدے کے لئے شکر کرتا ہے اور جو ناشکری کرتا ہے تو میرا پروردگار بےپروا (اور) کرم کرنے والا ہے (٤٠

There was a time when even prophets did not ask the man , how could u do this. but only Shukar , That Thanks Allah , u have blessed me the people with power.

Today people are are asking , how comes it is possible.

Same is allah Tala told in surah Kahaf. Even Hazrat musa did not denied his(Khizar's ) powers . but requested him to teach the knowledge blessed by Allah.

Pakistani 1947, do u know the name of the Allah's slave in the time os Hazrat Suleman??? otherwise I will tell u. no problem.

[HI]Try to understand the Hikmat and logic of Quran Pak.
[/HI]
It is not for copy paste.

I know you like mulla Hoor. U fovoured him and he is Salfi.
 
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Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
ارْجِعْ إِلَيْهِمْ فَلَنَأْتِيَنَّهُم بِجُنُودٍ لَّا قِبَلَ لَهُم بِهَا وَلَنُخْرِجَنَّهُم مِّنْهَا أَذِلَّةً وَهُمْ صَاغِرُونَ ﴿٣٧﴾ قَالَ يَا أَيُّهَا الْمَلَأُ أَيُّكُمْ يَأْتِينِي بِعَرْشِهَا قَبْلَ أَن يَأْتُونِي مُسْلِمِينَ ﴿٣٨﴾ قَالَ عِفْرِيتٌ مِّنَ الْجِنِّ أَنَا آتِيكَ بِهِ قَبْلَ أَن تَقُومَ مِن مَّقَامِكَ*ۖ وَإِنِّي عَلَيْهِ لَقَوِيٌّ أَمِينٌ ﴿٣٩﴾ قَالَ الَّذِي عِندَهُ عِلْمٌ مِّنَ الْكِتَابِ أَنَا آتِيكَ بِهِ قَبْلَ أَن يَرْتَدَّ إِلَيْكَ طَرْفُكَ*ۚ فَلَمَّا رَآهُ مُسْتَقِرًّا عِندَهُ قَالَ هَـٰذَا مِن فَضْلِ رَبِّي لِيَبْلُوَنِي أَأَشْكُرُ أَمْ أَكْفُرُ*ۖ وَمَن شَكَرَ فَإِنَّمَا يَشْكُرُ لِنَفْسِهِ*ۖ وَمَن كَفَرَ فَإِنَّ رَبِّي غَنِيٌّ كَرِيمٌ ﴿٤٠﴾
Surah An-Namal 37-40
سلیمان نے کہا کہ اے دربار والو! کوئی تم میں ایسا ہے کہ قبل اس کے کہ وہ لوگ فرمانبردار ہو کر ہمارے پاس آئیں ملکہ کا تخت میرے پاس لے آئے (٣٨) جنات میں سے ایک قوی ہیکل جن نے کہا کہ قبل اس کے کہ آپ اپنی جگہ سے اٹھیں میں اس کو آپ کے پاس لاحاضر کرتا ہوں اور میں اس (کے اٹھانے کی) طاقت رکھتا ہوں (اور) امانت دار ہوں (٣٩)
ایک شخص جس کو کتاب الہیٰ کا علم تھا کہنے لگا کہ میں آپ کی آنکھ کے جھپکنے سے پہلے پہلے اسے آپ کے پاس حاضر کئے دیتا ہوں۔ جب سلیمان نے تخت کو اپنے پاس رکھا ہوا دیکھا تو کہا کہ یہ میرے پروردگار کا فضل ہے تاکہ مجھے آزمائے کہ میں شکر کرتا ہوں یا کفران نعمت کرتا ہوں اور جو شکر کرتا ہے تو اپنے ہی فائدے کے لئے شکر کرتا ہے اور جو ناشکری کرتا ہے تو میرا پروردگار بےپروا (اور) کرم کرنے والا ہے (٤٠

There was a time when even prophets did not ask the man , how could u do this. but only Shukar , That Thanks Allah , u have blessed me the people with power.

Today people are are asking , how comes it is possible.

Same is allah Tala told in surah Kahaf. Even Hazrat musa did not denied his(Khizar's ) powers . but requested him to teach the knowledge blessed by Allah.

Pakistani 1947, do u know the name of the Allah's slave in the time os Hazrat Suleman??? otherwise I will tell u. no problem.

[HI]Try to understand the Hikmat and logic of Quran Pak.
[/HI]
It is not for copy paste.

I know you like mulla Hoor. U fovoured him and he is Salfi.

The Incident of the Queen of Saba:


When the queen got wind of an expected attack of the Prophet Sulaiman (AS) she proceeded towards him to patch up differences. When the King came to know of her departure,
he (AS) ordered (not begged at any shrine) one of the Jinns to bring the magnificent throne of the queen in the twinkling of an eye. The command was obeyed immediately. When the queen arrived at the court of Prophet Sulaiman (AS) after a long journey, she was asked to identify her throne. She recognised the throne and said:

"I am already aware of your power and majesty. I have come to you as your submissive servant."


The Holy Qur'an states: "So when she arrived she was asked: Is it your throne? She said: It was just like this and we were given the knowledge before it and we were already submissive and he diverted her from the worship of others besides Allah, for she was Sprung of a people that have no faith." (Quraan 27:42, 27:43)

Again it is very unfair to mention the story of Prophet Sulaiman (AS) in support of performing SHIRK. Prophet Sulaiman (AS) was given that power to bring things himself in the blink of eyes. But he decided to order some of his Jinns to perform this job, who did it as it was expected by them (and they were capable of doing it as per Quraan).
وَلِسُلَيْمَانَ الرِّيحَ غُدُوُّهَا شَهْرٌ وَرَوَاحُهَا شَهْرٌ ۖ وَأَسَلْنَا لَهُ عَيْنَ الْقِطْرِ ۖ وَمِنَ الْجِنِّ مَن يَعْمَلُ بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ بِإِذْنِ رَبِّهِ ۖ وَمَن يَزِغْ مِنْهُمْ عَنْ أَمْرِنَا نُذِقْهُ مِنْ عَذَابِ السَّعِيرِ
And to Solomon (We made) the Wind (obedient): Its early morning (stride) was a month's (journey), and its evening (stride) was a month's (journey); and We made a Font of molten brass to flow for him; and there were Jinns that worked in front of him, by the leave of his Lord, and if any of them turned aside from our command, We made him taste of the Penalty of the Blazing Fire.(Qur’aan 34:12)
اور ہوا کو سلیمان کے تابع کر دیا تھا جس کی صبح کی منزل مہینے بھر کی راہ اور شام کی منزل مہینے بھر کی راہ تھی اور ہم نے اس کے لیے تانبے کا چشمہ بہا دیا تھا اور کچھ جن اس کے آگے اس کے رب کے حکم سے کام کیا کرتے تھے اور جو کوئی ان میں سے ہمارے حکم سے پھر جاتا تھاتو ہم اسے آگ کا عذاب چکھاتے تھے​

On the other hand, there is no proof from Quraan and Authentic Hadeeths that you can go the grave of dead saint Ali Hajveri (RA) and ask for help. If someone does it he/she is performing SHIRK, the act, for which there is no forgiveness from Allah.


إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَغْفِرُ أَن يُشْرَكَ بِهِ وَيَغْفِرُ مَا دُونَ ذَ*ٰلِكَ لِمَن يَشَاءُ ۚ وَمَن يُشْرِكْ بِاللَّهِ فَقَدِ افْتَرَىٰ إِثْمًا عَظِيمًا

Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed.
(Quraan 4:48)
بے شک الله اسے نہیں بخشتا جو اس کا شریک کرے اور شرک کے ماسوا دوسرےگناہ جسے چاہے بخشتا ہے اور جس نے الله کا شریک ٹھیرایا اس نے بڑا ہی گناہ کیا

The SHIRK is such a worst sin that all good deeds are wiped out. So as a Muslim we must be very careful before performing any act where there is slightest doubt that it may come under the definition of SHIRK. At the same time those who are stubborn to justify SHIRKIA acts as non-Shirks, should be very careful because if somebody become involved in Shirkia acts just after reading someone’s justification, on the day of judgment they may face consequences. May Allah save our Muslim brothers and sisters from all kind of SHIRKS (Aameen)
 
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Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Can any Sufi explain these Shirkia Sufi Aqaid?

Following are some quotes from the Sufi books (پڑھو اور سر دھنو)

I am superior to Prophets and I am higher in rank than they are.(Sheikh Mohiuddin Ibn-Arabi, Hadeeqa Sultania pg190)

I have denounced Islam. I believe this is incumbent on people. Allah is God sitting in the heavens, I am the God on earth. (Statement of Hussain bin Mansoor Hallaj, Khateeb Baghdadi Vol 8, Ibne Athir chapter 11:140)

There is none else worthy of worship. Come and worship me.(Mullah Jalaluddin Rumi, Mathnawi 4:52)

This morning Allah wrestled with me. He floored me because I am 2 years younger than He is. (Abul Hassan Kharqani, Fawaid Faridiya pg 78)

Alas! The Muslim fails to understand that Allah can be found only in idol worship.
(Sufi Mahmood Shabistri, Sharah Gulshan-e-Raz pg 294)

My foot is on the neck of every saint. So, I placed my foot on Hazrat Ali's neck. (Abdul Qadir Jeelani, Asrar-ul-Qadam pg 191)

I hate the God who does not appear as a dog or cat. (Ibn-Arabi, Khazeena Imaniyah pg 168)

Whenever Khwaja Maudood Chishti desired to see the Ka’bah, angels airlifted it to the land of Chisht in India. (Malfoozat Khwaja Qutubuddin Bukhtiar Kaki, Fariduddin Ganj Shakar).

One thousand years have gone and so has the time of Muhammad. Now it is my time, the time of Ahmad. The second millennium is mine.(Sheikh Ahmad Sarhindi, the so-called “Mujaddid Alf-Sani”, Revivalist of the Second Millennium. (Mubda-wa-Ma’ad)

Adam cried for 300 years, so much so that birds made nests on his face. His tears brought forth so much grass that it covered his 60 meters long body. (Rahatul Muhibbeen c/o Ameer Khusro. Khwaja Nizamuddin Awlia)

Ba-Yazeed Bustami, supposedly the head of all saints, is quoted in his Malfoozat, the book of narratives:

- I am Glorious, the Ultimate, the Pure. My Glory is beyond description. (Nauzibilla)
- My Kingdom is greater than the Kingdom of God. (Nauzibilla)
- Allah is in my pocket. (Nauzibilla)
- My flag flies higher than the flag of Muhammad (pbuh). (Nauzibilla)
- I dived into the sea of Knowledge while the Prophets watched by the shore.

Ref: Ali Hajweri, “Daata Ganj Bakhsh,” in his Kashfil Mahjoob, pg 255-256 supports Ba-Yazeed Bustami's claim that he was God in human form.

Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti Ajmeri taught his disciples a different Kalema (Creed) “There is no god but Allah and Chishti is His Messenger.” (Khwaja Fareed-ud-Din Ganj Shakar, Fawaed-us-Saalikeen pg 126-127)

Now, what message is Sheikh Afeef-ud-Din Talmisani trying to convey when he says: The Quran is loaded with Shirk (idolatry, polytheism). True Monotheism is that everything in the universe is God. (Malfoozat Talmisani pg 205)

It was right for the Pharaoh to say, “I am God”. He, of course, was a part of the Essence of God. (Malfoozat Talmisani pg 205)

Ba-Yazid Bustami could take the soul of any person whenever he wanted. My uncle Abu Raza Muhammad, upon hearing this became very upset and said, “Ba-Yazid could not return the soul and restore life. I can take a soul and return it as I want.” Then my uncle took the soul of Rahmatullah Kafshdoze and brought him back to life. (Shah Waliullah, Anfasul Afrifain pg 95)

It is obligatory upon a mu’min (believer) that he quits eating and drinking. He must get weak to the point where he becomes unable to pray.
(Sahl bin Abdullah Tastari, Malfoozat Arabi pg 289)

Hazrat Sha’raani was the Sheikh of miracles. He resided in a meadow and used to visit the town riding a wolf. He walked on water. His urine was drinkable like pure milk. (Allama Tareshi’s excerpts, Misra’ Tasawwuf pg 194).

Jalaluddin Rumi never prayed. When the time for prayers came he used to vanish. At last, it was discovered that he used to pray in the Ka’bah -2000 miles away from Quniah, five times a day.
(Khwaja Nizamuddin Awlia, Raahat-il-Quloob).

Once there was a Sheikh who used to grab a dog every day and put him on the prayer rug and said, “O dog, you are in the hands of God!” Those dogs then started walking on water and healed people by giving them Ta’weez (amulets). (Qutubuddin Bakhtiar Kaki, Malfoozat)

The dead body of a dervish was lying in a jungle laughing. I asked him, “You are dead. How can you laugh?” The dead body replied, “This is what happens in the love of Allah.” (Khwaja Ghareeb Nawaz, Moinuddin Chishti Ajmeri, Malfoozat)

The Universe lies within Koh Qaaf (the Mount Caucasus). This mountain is 40 times bigger than the earth. A cow is holding it on its head.(Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti, Dalilul Arifain).

The people of Multan refused to provide fire to Shah Shams Tabrez for roasting meat. He became enraged, brought the sun down and roasted the meat. As people became restless with heat, they came to the saint and asked his forgiveness and then he ordered the sun to go back. Since that day, the town became known for its hot summers. (Ali Quli Baghdadi, Karamaat Shah Tabrez pg 233)

Ibraheem Adham was the governor of Balakh. While hunting, a deer turned back and scolded him. Since that day, Adham quit his throne and became a saint. (“Daata” Ganj Bakhsh, the Giver of Treasures, Kalamil Marghoob pg 229)

There was a 140 year old worshipper. He had an amputated foot. When asked, he said, “I was in I’tikaaf (seclusion for worship in a Masjid). I stepped one foot out. An angel warned me, and I immediately cut off my foot with a knife.” (Moinuddin Chishti Ajmeri in Malfoozat Uthman Harooni)

A man stole shrouds from graves for 40 years, but he went to the highest degree in Paradise.Why? Because he held on to the prayer rug (he prayed all the time). (Malfoozat Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti Ajmeri, by Khwaja Qutub Alam, Daleel Arifain)
 

mrbaig

Senator (1k+ posts)
اتنی فضولیات پڑھ پڑھ کرطبیعت مکّدر ہو جاتی ہے۔اسلام کیا تھا اور کیا بن گیا؟کتنے اسلام ہوگئے؟شاعراور شارح قران علأمہ اقبال نے صوفیت کے ڈھونگ کو بہت مناسب الفاظ میں بہت پہلے واضح کر دیا تھا:۔
تصوّف،تمدن،طریقت کلام
بتان عجم کے پجاری تمام
حقیقت خرافات میں کھوگئی
یہ امّت روایات میں کھوگئی
صوفی نےتو اسلام کے متوازی نظام بنایا ہے۔اس کا اسلام سے کیا تعلق؟
 
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mrbaig

Senator (1k+ posts)
Can any Sufi explain these Shirkia Sufi Aqaid?

Following are some quotes from the Sufi books (پڑھو اور سر دھنو)

I am superior to Prophets and I am higher in rank than they are.(Sheikh Mohiuddin Ibn-Arabi, Hadeeqa Sultania pg190)

I have denounced Islam. I believe this is incumbent on people. Allah is God sitting in the heavens, I am the God on earth. (Statement of Hussain bin Mansoor Hallaj, Khateeb Baghdadi Vol 8, Ibne Athir chapter 11:140)

There is none else worthy of worship. Come and worship me.(Mullah Jalaluddin Rumi, Mathnawi 4:52)

This morning Allah wrestled with me. He floored me because I am 2 years younger than He is. (Abul Hassan Kharqani, Fawaid Faridiya pg 78)

Alas! The Muslim fails to understand that Allah can be found only in idol worship. (Sufi Mahmood Shabistri, Sharah Gulshan-e-Raz pg 294)

My foot is on the neck of every saint. So, I placed my foot on Hazrat Ali's neck. (Abdul Qadir Jeelani, Asrar-ul-Qadam pg 191)

I hate the God who does not appear as a dog or cat. (Ibn-Arabi, Khazeena Imaniyah pg 168)

Whenever Khwaja Maudood Chishti desired to see the Kabah, angels airlifted it to the land of Chisht in India. (Malfoozat Khwaja Qutubuddin Bukhtiar Kaki, Fariduddin Ganj Shakar).

One thousand years have gone and so has the time of Muhammad. Now it is my time, the time of Ahmad. The second millennium is mine.(Sheikh Ahmad Sarhindi, the so-called Mujaddid Alf-Sani, Revivalist of the Second Millennium. (Mubda-wa-Maad)

Adam cried for 300 years, so much so that birds made nests on his face. His tears brought forth so much grass that it covered his 60 meters long body. (Rahatul Muhibbeen c/o Ameer Khusro. Khwaja Nizamuddin Awlia)

Ba-Yazeed Bustami, supposedly the head of all saints, is quoted in his Malfoozat, the book of narratives:

- I am Glorious, the Ultimate, the Pure. My Glory is beyond description. (Nauzibilla)
- My Kingdom is greater than the Kingdom of God. (Nauzibilla)
- Allah is in my pocket. (Nauzibilla)
- My flag flies higher than the flag of Muhammad (pbuh). (Nauzibilla)
- I dived into the sea of Knowledge while the Prophets watched by the shore.

Ref: Ali Hajweri, Daata Ganj Bakhsh, in his Kashfil Mahjoob, pg 255-256 supports Ba-Yazeed Bustami's claim that he was God in human form.

Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti Ajmeri taught his disciples a different Kalema (Creed) There is no god but Allah and Chishti is His Messenger. (Khwaja Fareed-ud-Din Ganj Shakar, Fawaed-us-Saalikeen pg 126-127)

Now, what message is Sheikh Afeef-ud-Din Talmisani trying to convey when he says: The Quran is loaded with Shirk (idolatry, polytheism). True Monotheism is that everything in the universe is God. (Malfoozat Talmisani pg 205)

It was right for the Pharaoh to say, I am God. He, of course, was a part of the Essence of God. (Malfoozat Talmisani pg 205)

Ba-Yazid Bustami could take the soul of any person whenever he wanted. My uncle Abu Raza Muhammad, upon hearing this became very upset and said, Ba-Yazid could not return the soul and restore life. I can take a soul and return it as I want. Then my uncle took the soul of Rahmatullah Kafshdoze and brought him back to life. (Shah Waliullah, Anfasul Afrifain pg 95)

It is obligatory upon a mumin (believer) that he quits eating and drinking. He must get weak to the point where he becomes unable to pray. (Sahl bin Abdullah Tastari, Malfoozat Arabi pg 289)

Hazrat Sharaani was the Sheikh of miracles. He resided in a meadow and used to visit the town riding a wolf. He walked on water. His urine was drinkable like pure milk. (Allama Tareshis excerpts, Misra Tasawwuf pg 194).

Jalaluddin Rumi never prayed. When the time for prayers came he used to vanish. At last, it was discovered that he used to pray in the Kabah -2000 miles away from Quniah, five times a day. (Khwaja Nizamuddin Awlia, Raahat-il-Quloob).

Once there was a Sheikh who used to grab a dog every day and put him on the prayer rug and said, O dog, you are in the hands of God! Those dogs then started walking on water and healed people by giving them Taweez (amulets). (Qutubuddin Bakhtiar Kaki, Malfoozat)

The dead body of a dervish was lying in a jungle laughing. I asked him, You are dead. How can you laugh? The dead body replied, This is what happens in the love of Allah. (Khwaja Ghareeb Nawaz, Moinuddin Chishti Ajmeri, Malfoozat)

The Universe lies within Koh Qaaf (the Mount Caucasus). This mountain is 40 times bigger than the earth. A cow is holding it on its head.(Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti, Dalilul Arifain).

The people of Multan refused to provide fire to Shah Shams Tabrez for roasting meat. He became enraged, brought the sun down and roasted the meat. As people became restless with heat, they came to the saint and asked his forgiveness and then he ordered the sun to go back. Since that day, the town became known for its hot summers. (Ali Quli Baghdadi, Karamaat Shah Tabrez pg 233)

Ibraheem Adham was the governor of Balakh. While hunting, a deer turned back and scolded him. Since that day, Adham quit his throne and became a saint. (Daata Ganj Bakhsh, the Giver of Treasures, Kalamil Marghoob pg 229)

There was a 140 year old worshipper. He had an amputated foot. When asked, he said, I was in Itikaaf (seclusion for worship in a Masjid). I stepped one foot out. An angel warned me, and I immediately cut off my foot with a knife. (Moinuddin Chishti Ajmeri in Malfoozat Uthman Harooni)

A man stole shrouds from graves for 40 years, but he went to the highest degree in Paradise.Why? Because he held on to the prayer rug (he prayed all the time). (Malfoozat Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti Ajmeri, by Khwaja Qutub Alam, Daleel Arifain)

بکواس،نری بکواس۔توبہ توبہ۔سب سے بڑا جھوٹا صوفی ہوتا ہے،یہ طے شدہ بات ہے۔
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
bhai tum ko shayed pata nahi hay zaeef hadees ka ye matlab nahi hota k wo Naoobillah ghalt ya jhoti hadees hoti hai,jao pehlay apnay mufti se zaeef hadees ka matlab pocho,phir baat karna,waisya b aap topic se hat ge ho,baat burugoon mean ALLAH k Wali ko ho rahi thi,aap aam logoon ko b beech mein le aaye,very cheep act,aap ne kaha jo pehlay peghamber Alaihe salaam aaye un k rastay par chalaa,bhai jaan pehli sab shariyat mansookh ho chuki hain,ab bas Shariyat Muhammdi Sallallaho Alaihe Wasallam hay,,aap ki b welknown ki tafseer mein se dekha do k inaam walay loog kon hai,?ta k hum ko b pata chalay k jo apa ne kaha wo sahi hai,k ghalt,suni sunai batoon par nahi saboot aur daleel k sath baat karo,

Dear lotaa, if I quote you saying , you said this or you did this, is that enough that another person accepts that from me? What if I quote you on something which attacks your character by your own word or deed?

There are many reports in hadith books which attack character of the prophet, can anyone dare deny that? Of course not.

This being the case questions arise eg why someone reported those so called ahadith or what someone wanted to achieve by doing that? Or why did the muhaddiseen put such reports in their so called ahadith books? Why could they not see these bad things in their content which any person is able to see?

I welcome anyone to discuss the issue in detail to see what the truth is.

It proves beyond a shadow of doubt that we should not accept any hadith at all unless we are reasonably sure that it is not against the quran.

It is in both bukhari and muslim as well as other sahee hadith books that the prophet married ummal mumineem when she was 6 or 7 years old.

The question is, did prophet come to educate people out of their stupid ways or to support them in that?

I am also against all those so called mullas who try to justify these reports. It shows their stupidity on one hand or their deliberate attempt at character assassination of the prophet on the other.

If mullas have made such serious blunders in these like things then how can one follow them blindly unless one is also stupid as them or is enemy of islam?

This does not mean we reject everything we are told in the hadith books but that we need to pick and choose. This means we need some sort of criterion to judge things by and if they are found sound then we accept them.




The other point I want to make is, if people have been doing this regarding the prophet then what stops them from inventing all sorts of things about all other people? It is for this reason again we must not accept anything that goes against the criterion for judging the truth of any matter.

If anyone here has any other better way to do so please show it and anyone is free to get any mawlana sahib to show us the way.

This should end all arguments for all who wish to help themselves to understand islam better by accepting only reliable sources of islam.

The first and foremost reliable source of islam is quran. Anyone who claims to know islam yet does not know the quran then he is just pulling wool over our eyes. Why would anyone do that? For the same reason people have been invented various religions and their texts.

Please start asking real questions that matter and not beat about the bush.

These are my reason due to which I try to clarify and explain certain things so that people start thinking and stop following just anyone anywhere in the name of islam. This is what is causing problems not only for muslims but nonmuslims as well. People are not asking direct questions that produce quick results.

People who invented and narrated false information about the prophet also mistranslated and misinterpreted the quran and for the very same reason. This is what makes it necessary that we take the quran and think our it and accept only that translation and interpretation that is sensible. The question is, what is sensible?

That which is consistent within itself eg if the quran talks about God then it ought to say what is consistent with person of God. If we see that it says anything against it then there are only three reasons a)some one has misinterpreted it or b) we ourselves have not understood it properly or c)it is false. If it can be shown that it can be interpreted properly then someone has misinterpreted. Why? Because one misunderstood it or one made a mistake or one did that deliberately to derail islam.

Likewise the quran is misinterpreted if we see that it attributes divinity or sovereignty of universe to other than God. Or if it does not respect laws of nature or laws of judgement. The consistency in the quran is absolutely necessary even acording to the quran.

Regardless if we understood the quran correctly then it will become a tool or a yardstick to judge other materials by. So no matter what the quran cannot be by passed.

This is how important it is to know the quran so that one can then see which hadith is true and which cannot be true no matter who says it or which book contains it.

Knowing these like important points makes one a proper scholar not just certificates from some educational institutions.

regards and all the best.
 
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Raaz

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
@ Pakistani1947 :
Yes every one is wrong.....but Mulla Hur is good. you supported him...

Anyway I respect you , you are a good muslim. with strong faith on Allah Tala. which is rare and valuable.
 

shamsheer

Senator (1k+ posts)
Can any Sufi explain these Shirkia Sufi Aqaid?

Following are some quotes from the Sufi books (پڑھو اور سر دھنو)

I am superior to Prophets and I am higher in rank than they are.(Sheikh Mohiuddin Ibn-Arabi, Hadeeqa Sultania pg190)

I have denounced Islam. I believe this is incumbent on people. Allah is God sitting in the heavens, I am the God on earth. (Statement of Hussain bin Mansoor Hallaj, Khateeb Baghdadi Vol 8, Ibne Athir chapter 11:140)

There is none else worthy of worship. Come and worship me.(Mullah Jalaluddin Rumi, Mathnawi 4:52)

This morning Allah wrestled with me. He floored me because I am 2 years younger than He is. (Abul Hassan Kharqani, Fawaid Faridiya pg 78)

A man stole shrouds from graves for 40 years, but he went to the highest degree in Paradise.Why? Because he held on to the prayer rug (he prayed all the time). (Malfoozat Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti Ajmeri, by Khwaja Qutub Alam, Daleel Arifain)


OK! good discussion. I would like to hear from the other side on what Pakistan1947 has quoted above. I am seeing some very big names above like Molana Romi. May be people misunderstood what he meant and what he said. May be the references quoted are from the book of a miscreant but lets see what the other side has to say. I still believe that not all sufis were bad as Pakistan1947 assume and he needs to get out of this shroud that only I am right and others are wrong.
 
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