Now talk about specific issues/Scientific facts
Well, your "questions" show your fundamental lack of understanding of science and scientific process as a result of your religious beliefs. Thus lecturing on science is essential. However, it's your choice to learn or not.
Thats what I am asking you should be able to explain and prove with your superior scientific knowledge and provide me answers to my questions. Until now you have done everything else to divert the topic but answer my questions. Once you actually start to answer the questions, you will find out the depth of my knowledge, stop pussy footing and get on with it. I am waiting. Did you realise KManzar is clever, he is gone quite. Because he knows, there are no answers.
The Qur'an talks about "zara" meaning "a small particle" or "atom" (as referring to a small particle - and NOT necessarily the atom as defined by physics).
Any ignorant villager in Pakistan, for example, can use the word "Zara" for any number of reasons. Does this mean that villager has knowledge about the atom as known to science?
You keep showing your ignorance and heresies, why are you comparing Allah SWT with an ignorant villager? Are you in your senses? I must remind you, you are dealing with Word of God here, be cautious.
The dictionary translates the word "Zara" as "atom" because "atom" has traditonally (from the Greek word "atomos") been used to refer to "a small particle", a "speck", etc.
You see, you are once again on the path of heresy, are you telling me the Holy Quran is inspired from the Greeks (nauzobillah)? You better watch out what you are writing. You should have stuck to the Science; it is you who has diverted this conversation to the religion.
By using the word "Zara" the author of the Qur'an only proves that he knows the usage of the word in the language he used, nothing more nothing less.
You keep stating it, and avoiding my question, who you think the author of the Holy Quran is?
Qur'an talks about Allah's powers over all things from the "Zara" (a small particle) to the universe or anything smaller or bigger than that (notnecessarily that there is something bigger or smaller). That's figurative speech and any person reading these verses without a hidden agenda will not get the impression of "miraculous information".
You keep shooting on your foot, you are making my point exactly, the dictionary meanings confirms, Quran has clearly stated that there are even smaller particles compare to what is a smallest particle known to the human i.e. Zarra, English Atom. Whichever way you try, the end result is the same, the Holy Quran clearly decreed there are physical particles smaller than atoms, end of the story. Now back to my questions on science.
WOW, you even found out sub-atomic particles from the verse?
I didnt find it, it were there 1400 years before I was born.
So you concede that there is no concrete information about the physical atom in the Qur'an?
Where did I concede, are you seeing things? I said Allah SWT does not need to prove to sceptics like you by scientific experiments. He SWT has mentioned plenty of facts about the universe in very simple and short verses, which are now proven by the advancement in the science.
You are making me laugh now, what this page from Dictionary you provided proves?
Lets see, it says Zar is smallest of the ants. Zarrat ul Dahab minute particles of Gold. In both cases, my case is made, atom even though considered the smallest particle, the Holy Quran centuries before the Science found out, decreed, there are smaller particles than the atom.
I am not an expert on this issue, and neither are you.
First of all, talk about yourself. Secondly if you are not an expert, then why are you wasting my time and everyones time? Just admit you have no answers, end of the matter.
Well, if suppose we do not have an adequate explanation of the origin of the world, it does not mean that religion has any explanation or any authentic explanation. While science is on record proving many things and finding the explanation of many natural phenomena, it has a lot better chance of finding the answer.
Hmm, at least now you are admitting that science has no answers. Now let me tell you why CERN is in operation after spending billions of dollars of funding, which could have been used for the betterment of the poors of the world. It is an effort to prove the big bang, by trying to prove that Higgs Boson (H) exists in the universe, and it gives mass to the atoms particle, and therefore, the science would be able to prove how this huge universe is created from a tiny particle.
We know, the science says, that the whole universe is created from a small atomic particle, Science does not know from where it came from, but it says it interacted with some mysterious force which swells it to the size of a marble. Then this marble size object exploded with enormous force and created this universe. But there are two problems here, that mysterious force is never been found, secondly, the problem of how matter got the mass, thats why the Higgs Boson, named after the Scot, is given as a possible solution. What is Higgs Boson? It is called (H) in the scientific terms and denote to a mysterious particle which according to the science interact with the atomic particles and give them the mass. Thats how this huge universe full of matter is created from a small particle.
Therefore, we have the ultimate qaunandrum, we know that atom exists and matter exist, the universe is full of matter, but science can not explain how? Science does not know the two unknown.
I have explain it in the plainest English possible for everyone to understand why this is such important matter for the scientists to spend billions on it.
They are spending billions to somehow prove that God doesnt exists and everything was created based on their theories, which have absolutely no bases, apart from the existence of the matter, which even a lay person can observer in the universe.
Thats why I said, that idiot Hasan Nisar, he could be shut up in minutes, provided he is talking to knowledgeable people.
Let me give a brief summary to you and others who are reading this thread.
A very simple definition of Big Bang theory is that it is based on Einstein theory of GR; it claims that universe is expanding in all directions with speed of light. This is explained by observing red Shift. Based on these theories the age of universe is predicted to be around 14 billion years, i.e. edge of the universe to be 14 billion light years away from earth ( I will expand on it, if the two Physics masters here find the courage to discuss the specific).
First person to apply Einstein general relatively theory to cosmology was Friedman. He discovered Expanding universe solution to the GR theory. Lemaitre made first proposition for the occurrence of Big Bang. Hubble provided first observation for expanding universe; Humason formulated Red Shift law of Galaxies known as "Hubble Law" which purpose that galaxies are receding in every direction at speed. This led to the concept of expanding universe and later resulted in the formation of the Big Bang theory.
Tolman argument of "oscillating universe" was contradicted by Hawking and others who demonstrated that this idea was unworkable and the singularity is an essential feature of the physics described by Einstein's gravity".
Above is a brief history of the Big Bang theory and the contribution of Hawking in the field and concept of black holes.
"Stephen Hawking has worked on the basic laws which govern the universe. With Roger Penrose he showed that Einstein's General Theory of Relativity implied space and time would have a beginning in the Big Bang and an end in black holes."
On LHC experiment, Hawking told the Today Program;
"If the LHC were to produce little black holes, I don't think there's any doubt I would get a Nobel prize, if they showed the properties I predict, However, I think the probability that the LHC has enough energy to create black holes is less than one per cent, so I'm not holding my breath."
Here are quotes from an Article in the Times of London;
"It is far more likely, indeed, that the LHC will cause him to lose a long-standing bet with Professor Gordy Kane, of the Michigan University, over the existence of the Higgs boson. Professor Hawking is not convinced that the so-called "God particle", which theory suggests gives matter its mass, actually exists, and in 2000 he backed his judgment by making a $100 (50) wager with Professor Kane, who thinks it will soon be found.
Should the Higgs boson exist, it is almost certain that the LHC will identify it. "The LHC will increase the energy at which we can study particle interactions, by a factor of four," Professor Hawking said. "According to present thinking, this should be enough to discover the Higgs particle, the particle that gives mass to all the other particles."
"I think it will be much more exciting if we don't find the Higgs. That will show something is wrong, and we need to think again. I have a bet of $100 that we won't find the Higgs."
Now let me explain it to you and others,
1- Singularity is paramount for the survival of the Einstein theory of G Relativity, and of the Physic in general hence theory of Big Bang.
2- Problem, no evidence of Higgs Boson ever found.
3- No evidence of Higgs Boson, meaning defeat for the Big Bang theory.
4- No Big Bang theory, meaning no singularity and problem for Einstein's theory of G relativity and Physic is in trouble.
5- The existence of matter in the universe in such massive quantity means only one thing, Power of the Creator, Allah SWT.
6- Meaning end of the atheists agenda and lies spread as theories.
7- Read what Hawking says, we have to go back to the drawing board, meaning, your physics and its theories are in the dust bin, time to start some more and new lies. But no matter what, just dont accept that Allah SWT exists and He SWT has created this universe with His SWT Creative Powers.
I think it is enough for time being, please do not waste my time, until and unless you have the capacity to enter in meaningful discussion. I can surely deal with most what Physics has to offer in the field of Creation of the Universe and on Astronomy.
And please do not bring religion in to the discussion, you have absolutely no knowledge of Islam and the Holy Quran, stop using the term the writer of the Holy Quran, if you can not accept that it is Word of God. You are insulting the Muslims who take part on this forum.
